WinInfo Short Takes, October 28, 2011

An often irreverent look at this week's other news ...

Duh, Winning: HP to Keep Its Dominant PC Business

HP announced this week that it would keep its PC business, ending a few months of speculation, or least something a bit more strident than utter disinterest. "HP objectively evaluated the strategic, financial, and operational impact of spinning off [its Personal Systems Group (PSG), which makes HP's PCs]," a press release concerning this issue reads. "It's clear after our analysis that keeping PSG within HP is right for customers and partners, right for shareholders, and right for employees. HP is committed to PSG, and together we are stronger." HP's bizarre announcement that it might drop its market-dominant PC business led to the ouster of previous CEO Leo Apotheker, who was on the job less than a year and busy dismantling the once-proud company. This week's announcement was credited to new CEO Meg Whitman, whose most recent success was spending more money on a US political-office candidacy than anyone in history—in this case, for the governorship of California—and still losing badly to an underfunded opponent. (She spent $144 million of her own money and $178.5 million from contributors. Think about that for a second.) I see big things ahead for this company.

Windows Phone 7.5 Now Being Delivered to 100 Percent of Eligible Phones

Well, that was quick. After a less-than-stellar series of Windows Phone software updates early this year, Microsoft has turned things around rather nicely, announcing this week that the platform's first major update, Windows Phone 7.5 (code-named Mango), is now being delivered "to 100 percent of eligible phones around the world, regardless of carrier." This comes just a month after Microsoft and its wireless-carrier partners started scheduling the update deployment, and if you waited (and waited and waited) for previous updates, then you understand how amazing a change this is. Kudos to the Windows Phone team for getting it right this time. You've made Windows Phone look great, and by comparison, you've made Android—which is the most fragmented smartphone on the planet—look ridiculous. And that is exactly the positioning Windows Phone needs. (Minor caveat: The phrase "eligible phones" is somewhat telling, as there are a few revisions of a few first-gen Windows Phones that still don't have 7.5. But the vast majority are indeed now getting the update.)

Windows Phone "Apollo" Is Not Coming in Mid-2012, Obviously

The ever-reliable Engadget reports that a Nokia executive said—or as the publication writes, "confirmed"—in the presence of one of its bloggers that Windows Phone "Apollo," the next major update to Windows Phone that is widely expected to be version 8, will ship in mid-2012 and be "a very different game" when compared with today's Windows Phone OS. This suggests, but does not confirm, that Windows Phone 8 will be based on Windows 8. And I would take any talk about "mid-2012" with a grain of salt. That's an awfully aggressive date for the next version, which I don't expect to see before this time next year at the very earliest. Apparently, neither does Microsoft, which told the blogger sweatshop that the Nokia exec's timeline for Apollo was "inaccurate." That's a nice way of saying it, yes.

Samsung Sells More Smart Phones Than Apple

Korean electronics giant Samsung sold more smartphones in the most recent quarter than did industry-darling Apple and is in fact the only smartphone maker to experience year-over-year revenue growth in that same time period. So how do you report on this amazing story if you see the world through Apple-colored glasses? Like this: Samsung 3Q Profit Slides 23 Percent. You know, because that's the real story here. (And by the way, profits slid because of Samsung's non-smartphone businesses; its handset business is going gangbusters.) Samsung said that sales of its handsets jumped 300 percent in the quarter, far higher than Apple's 21 percent unit growth for the iPhone in the same time period—not that anyone else will actually notice that. But here's the math: Samsung sold 28 million smartphones in the quarter, much higher than Apple's 17 million units. And the company now controls 27.8 percent of the global market for smartphones, compared with Apple's 17 percent.

Not All Bad News for Netflix

Netflix might have lost 800,000 subscribers since instituting a price hike over the summer, but the 25 million customers who still use the service really use the service. According to researchers at Sandvine, Netflix subscribers now account for a whopping 32.7 percent of all Internet traffic during peak times in North America. "With so many Netflix-capable devices, the addressable market for the service is already enormous and will only increase, so it's hard to envision a scenario in which absolute levels of Netflix will decline," a Sandvine report notes, though it expects most future growth to come from outside the United States. In case you're wondering what the rest of the traffic looks like, Sandvine says that web surfing is number two during peak traffic times, with 29 percent of usage, while BitTorrent is number two overall, accounting for 23.3 of Internet traffic. BitTorrent? Really?

RIM Delays PlayBook Update

Does anyone still give a damn about Research In Motion's (RIM's) PlayBook? Anyone? You know, that thing that looks sort of like an iPad but is made by the people who make the BlackBerry? No? It doesn't come with email or calendaring, but instead requires you to use it in tandem with a BlackBerry handset? Not ringing any bells? Nothing? Then you won't care that RIM just delayed an important and overdue software update for the PlayBook that will add those missing features and a ton of other things. Yeah, I don't care either. Game over.

Nintendo Slashes Forecast as Wii Sales Fall Through the Floor

Speaking of games, remember when the Nintendo Wii was the dominant video game platform and slapped around the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 as if they weren't even there? No, me neither. Because Nintendo's once-dominant Wii has virtually disappeared: The company warned this week that it would lose money in the first half of its current fiscal year with weaker-than-expected sales of all its video game devices, including portable systems like the DS and 3DS. The company sold just 3.35 million Wii consoles in the first half of the year and barely 3 million units of the new 3DS handheld gaming device. My advice to Nintendo is simple: Yes, please do continue developing your innovative and quirky hardware, but also be sure to port your best gaming titles and franchises to competing platforms, including the Xbox 360 and iOS/iPhone/iPod touch. Otherwise, you might be soon looking back on these financial results fondly.

This Week, on the Windows Weekly Podcast

Mary Jo, Leo, and I recorded a new episode of the Windows Weekly podcast on Thursday at the usual time Thursday. So it should be available for download by the end of the weekend on iTunes, the Zune Marketplace, and wherever else quality podcasts are found, in both audio and video formats.

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Discuss this Article 38

yoshipod (not verified)
on Oct 28, 2011
"So how do you report on this amazing story if you see the world through Apple-colored glasses? Like this: Samsung 3Q Profit Slides 23 Percent. " You mean those same Apple-colored glasses that only reported that Apple missed earning projections last week, despite having one of their most profitable quarters ever with a 42% increase in earnings year over year. "Apple Falls After Wait for IPhone Causes Missed Estimates" From the same newspaper as the other article. And once again, seeing as this is a BUSINESS article, the most important thing is profitability, not revenue, not market share, not total units sold.
herculoid
on Oct 28, 2011
Paul, "CEO Mark Apotheker"??? Let's try "CEO Leo Apotheker". Or were you trying to be punny by combining Hurd's first name with Leo's last?
infiniteloop
on Oct 28, 2011
So Samsung sells more smartphones than Apple using an OS they didn't develop or spend any R&D money on, and which was stolen from Apple by a crook from Google who sat on Apple's board. Samsung went even further and blatantly copied Apple's Hardware designs. Does anybody think this is OK?
MSTAYLOR
on Oct 28, 2011
@infiniteloop - Why so angry? When you get the foam cleaned up from around your mouth, go relax and enjoy your weekend.
hawg16
on Oct 28, 2011
Aw, don't hate, infiniteloop. I'm sure the new guy will turn things around for you. Poor guy. All worked up over competition again.
chuckb84
on Oct 28, 2011
Apart from Paul's reflexive impulse to post anything, anything at all, that's bad about Apple, the Samsung story is almost certainly BS. You see, there are no real NUMBERS about Samsung's sales. The usual "30 seconds" of research turns up this: http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Noting that (1) Samsung didn't report those numbers, they're all "estimates", and (2) those estimates are channel-stuffing "shipments", not sales. I'm sure this will be noticed and corroborated and then we can all laugh again at Ace Reporter Thurrott and his "reporting".
ModernDislocation
on Oct 28, 2011
"But here's the math: Samsung sold 28 million smartphones in the quarter, much higher than Apple's 17 million units." So here is the best part about this Paul's "math". That 28 million number is made up. Samsung doesn't release sales numbers for phones. Once again Paul is presenting numbers as fact not because they true but because he would like to believe they are.
BananaJr
on Oct 28, 2011
Well now we know why you two have issues with Apple. It isn't the company or iTunes it's the fact the company has it set up so you have to pay for the apps or music you download from it. I can only hope you are more interested in infiniteloop's welfare than actually advocating the copying of someone else's work.
MSTAYLOR
on Oct 28, 2011
@Banana - Where did I advocate anything. I'm not seeing it. It's odd that you do. @Paul - Strange thing about the 3 current generation of game consoles...the Wii is the only one that is still functional.
forkieboy
on Oct 28, 2011
Just looking at the numbers of phones sold, accurate or not, and I wondered. What sort of pollution has been caused in the 3rd world to produce these products ? What sort of pollution has been caused in the 1st world by disposing of old products to replace them with the bigger better best version ?
MSTAYLOR
on Oct 29, 2011
My comment about the game consoles should read: Strange thing about the current generation of game consoles: of the 3 that I have owned...the Wii is the only one that is still functional. The 360 and PS3 both died.
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
@Modern - Reuters is reporting the same number. Does that make them Apple haters as well?
chuckb84
on Oct 29, 2011
"Reuters is reporting the same number. Does that make them Apple haters as well?" No, it just makes them wrong, because they are using the same BS "source" that Paul did. I know, I know, reality is SUCH a limiting concept.
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
So every single site that's reporting those numbers (which seems to be most tech sites) are all wrong? I guess by that logic, any site that reports market share is also just making up the numbers as well? Good to know!
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
For those of you asking about my welfare, I'm fine thanks. Just got back to my hotel room from Laguna Beach in Southern California. As for the question I asked, I guess some of you think that stealing's OK. Because you all hate Apple so much, and can't stand their success. So an unfair competitor is OK. I wonder what your church would make of that, Tayme?
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their ass. You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. " http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Samsung only stated that they shipped 40% more phones that they did previously but provided no hard numbers. Now did Samsung SELL more phones than Apple? Most observers think they did but to quote the sold number as 28m is in fact wrong. And to your second point if it's an analysts estimate of sold numbers based on shipped numbers for market share (as most tablet numbers are) then that too is making up the numbers. So I guess you are right on both counts.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their ass. You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. " http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Samsung only stated that they shipped 40% more phones that they did previously but provided no hard numbers. Now did Samsung SELL more phones than Apple? Most observers think they did but to quote the sold number as 28m is in fact wrong. And to your second point if it's an analysts estimate of sold numbers based on shipped numbers for market share (as most tablet numbers are) then that too is making up the numbers. So I guess you are right on both counts.
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
@infiniteloop- You never did tell me if Apple should dump the features they stole.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their ass. You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. " http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Samsung only stated that they shipped 40% more phones that they did previously but provided no hard numbers. Now did Samsung SELL more phones than Apple? Most observers think they did but to quote the sold number as 28m is in fact wrong. And to your second point if it's an analysts estimate of sold numbers based on shipped numbers for market share (as most tablet numbers are) then that too is making up the numbers. So I guess you are right on both counts.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their ass. You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. " http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Samsung only stated that they shipped 40% more phones that they did previously but provided no hard numbers. Now did Samsung SELL more phones than Apple? Most observers think they did but to quote the sold number as 28m is in fact wrong. And to your second point if it's an analysts estimate of sold numbers based on shipped numbers for market share (as most tablet numbers are) then that too is making up the numbers. So I guess you are right on both counts.
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
Of course one wonders if you're in Laguna Beach why you're bothering posting here.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their ass. You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. " http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/28/the-bullshit-samsung-smartphone-nu... Samsung only stated that they shipped 40% more phones that they did previously but provided no hard numbers. Now did Samsung SELL more phones than Apple? Most observers think they did but to quote the sold number as 28m is in fact wrong. And to your second point if it's an analysts estimate of sold numbers based on shipped numbers for market share (as most tablet numbers are) then that too is making up the numbers. So I guess you are right on both counts.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Hope you are enjoying our nice "winter" weather.
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
@ Meh: You never pointed out what they might be. Like I said I just got back from the beach, glorious weather, spent most of the day there, thanks. Having Dinner with friends later. Thought you guys might like to see this and understand why Android is secondary and Windows Phone 7 is so far behind as to be a joke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byIgpVZ9xzw&feature=player_embedded
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
Yes @Meh they are all wrong if they are quoting the Samsung number as the number of units sold as Paul does here. If you looked more closely you would find: http://www.loopinsight.com "Apple sold 17 million iPhones and Samsung shipped some number that Strategy Analytics pulled out of their @@@ You cannot compare shipped numbers to sold numbers and come up with a conclusion that one company is beating another. "
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
@infiniteloop- Actually, I did give you a list. And how come you're not posting links to all the stories about yellow screens, battery issues and other iOS 5 and iPhone 4S issues? @Banana Jr. - Fair enough.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
@Meh To be clear though most analysts feel Samsung sold more phones than Apple but the margin is pegged and 1 or 2 m not 11m. And yes it's more my pet peeve over not correctly specifying shipped vs. sold. @infiniteloop Where are you headed for dinner? Las Brisas or Dukes up the coast in HB? This has got to be quite a switch up from an English winter. We tend to hold on to our summer a bit longer than the rest of the country.
ModernDislocation
on Oct 29, 2011
@meh Here are several articles about Samsung announcing that they would no longer release the number of units sold: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190488830457647569386664474... http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/57565-samsung-will-no-longer-repor... And here is Samsung's most recent quarterly press release: http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/news/newsIrRead.do?news_ctgry=irn... Please not that Samsung excluded unit sales just like they said they would. So, every single site reporting actual numbers is making a guess. It may be an educated guess but it is a guess. And yes, using that logic market share numbers are estimates too. Both Gartner and IDC release estimates before all manufactures post final results and that is why their numbers differ. You are correct, it is "good to know". Knowing means you don't make a clown of yourself posting in the comments section of articles online.
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
@BananaJr Not sure yet. I'm here on business. My friends in LA are coming over later. They've already booked somewhere. - I'll let you know. Just got here via Hong Kong and mainland China. Laguna Beach is one of my favourite places :) I'll be in Los Gatos and SF later in the week. Then off to Chicago and Orlando before returning home to Blighty. Actually the weather in the UK has been pretty good so far, but nowhere near as good as here!
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
@Modern- Wow. You're really full of vitriol today. I posted one question, and then granted the point later. But if it makes you feel better to lob personal insults and pile on after I've already conceded the point, who am I to stop you?
ModernDislocation
on Oct 29, 2011
@meh Here are the two posts I see that you posted on the subject: "So every single site that's reporting those numbers (which seems to be most tech sites) are all wrong? I guess by that logic, any site that reports market share is also just making up the numbers as well? Good to know!" And "Reuters is reporting the same number. Does that make them Apple haters as well?" The one about Reuters was fairly innocuous and the second is dripping with snark and neither acknowledge that the numbers are simply guesses. So yep, you get what you dish out. If you are so think skinned you might want to reconsider your approach toward others.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2011
@infiniteloop That is quite a tour. Los Gatos doesn't have a lot going on but SF is one of the great places to visit. LA has some great restaurants but the views around here are some of the best around. We hit Dukes for happy hour on Friday's to kick off a weekend and it never disappoints. Where ever you end up it should be wild night with a lot of people dressed up for halloween.
jersey72
on Oct 29, 2011
@Modern- My post was snarky, not personal. Sorry if you can't see the difference. And again - I did concede the point about the numbers.
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2011
@BananaJr i've visited USA a lot over the years, SF has some great restaurants, I usually stay at the Westin St Francis. I'm in Los Gatos for a meeting over dinner, (Manresa). I also have a reservation at Alinea in Chicago, which I'm really looking forward to. (I know the designer!)
ModernDislocation
on Oct 29, 2011
Just to be clear on what is happening. You posted a snarky comment in response to what I had posted. You were then proven to be iincorrect and called out for your behavior (I think the snarky comment was clown like) and now you want to act like a victim? Whatever floats your boat.
chuckb84
on Oct 30, 2011
@ModernDislocation: THANK YOU. Objective reality. What a concept! Fact based argument! Quelle bonne idée ! @Meh: Kudos to you for conceding on a factual point. These days, ideologues tend to did in and ignore facts (Paul, for example). You've contributed to honest debate by being willing to refer objectively to external facts that we all have to agree on. The real take home here is not to believe anything Paul says about Apple. The man is absolutely not to be trusted on that subject. It's not just "snark" anymore; often it is outright lies.

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