Drop Dropbox? Why Would You Even Use Dropbox?

Ed Bott has written an interesting blog post about dropping Dropbox for Windows Live Mesh. But the question that I immediately have is, why the heck would any Windows user even use Dropbox in the first place? For Windows users, Windows Live Mesh has always been the better solution.

Ed's post explains the why (a recent security failure coupled with previous issues) and the how (relatively straightforward) of his change. And if you're actually considering this switch, please do read it.

But at a higher level, I'd just point out that, depending on your needs, Dropbox is and has always been horribly limited for Windows users when compared to Windows Live Mesh. And while I, too, have certainly had a Dropbox account for years, I've never once switched from Live Mesh (yes, through all the name changes) because it's always been better. So I guess I don't quite get the need here.

Dropbox and Windows Live Mesh both provide PC-to-PC and PC-to-cloud data sync. Both provide some form of device integration as well, and for people outside the Windows ecosystem (iPad users, for example), this is the one area where Dropbox exceeds Live Mesh's capabilities: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry.

Notice the lack of the word "Windows" in that list? That's why I've ignored Dropbox over the years in lieu of Windows Live Mesh. Well, that and the fact that Live Mesh is (and has always been) superior.

Here's how that's so.

Storage. Dropbox provides 2 GB of storage for free, and offers annual subscriptions of up to 100GB. Live Mesh provides 5 GB of cloud storage for free and unlimited PC-to-PC sync. It's free. And this combination of peer-to-peer and peer-to-cloud capabilities means that you can completely bypass the cloud if you're freaked out by the possibility of your files being stored out in the Internet. You can't do that with Dropbox.

Works the way you work. Dropbox currently only provides a single folder (your "dropbox"), whose contents are synced to the cloud and to any connected devices. Windows Live Mesh lets you sync any number of folders, which can be stored anywhere in your file system, between PCs and, optionally, to the cloud. For example, I have separate Live Mesh folders for each of my books, for frequently used work-related documents, for favorite photos, and so on. I don't have to change my document storage scheme to match Dropbox's limited capabilities. I just work the way I always work.

Remote access. Live Mesh provides a free way to remotely access each connected PC, similar to Remote Desktop Connection, which works from anywhere online. So if you need a file that is not synced but is stored on a different PC, you can simply connect to that PC and drag and drop it over to your current machine.

Application settings and configuration sync. It's limited now, but Live Mesh also syncs Internet Explorer favorites and Microsoft Office styles, templates, custom dictionary, and email signatures between all connected PCs.

I have used and relied on Windows Live Mesh for years, and it provides a safe and secure way to sync my work between multiple PCs and, in the case of my books, share sync files between me and my coauthor. I see no need for Dropbox at all. And while the recent security issue is just the icing on the so-called cake, that's just an excuse. Dropbox never made any sense to me, and I suspect it really doesn't answer a need of most of the people reading this.

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So, for whatever it's worth, I too did use this recent security issue has a "reason" to cancel my Dropbox account. But come on. I wasn't using it in the first place, and I should have closed it years ago. If you're a Windows user, you should think about doing the same. You have a superior and free alternative that's better integrated right into Windows. It's called Windows Live Mesh.

Discuss this Article 95

Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Why would I use Dropbox? A. It works across all ecosystems ... flawlessly! And I have several in my house alone, not to mention my work space. B. It only syncs one folder, so it's more controllable. C. It doesn't have remote desktop access to mess with my varoius computer's contents. (Which I prefer -- call me paranoid.) D. I can control the sharing of my folders. E. It's free at a level I need. I'm not sharing insanely large files here. Besides, only someone who has broadband everywhere will share files large enough to crack that limit. And I don't. F. I'm used to it and it works. So, those are my reasons. And they don't lead me to move anywhere else. Especially not Windows Live Mesh. WolfHawke (http://www.wolfhawke.com)
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Hi Paul, thanks for the article. A number of days ago, I dis-associated and removed my data from DropBox, but haven't closed it yet. I was using DropBox to sync my custom web browser start page and a Password Safe safe file (with servers, laptops, desktops, iPad and iPhone), but decided against it after learning that the files weren't being encrypted before they left my computer. In the vacuum, I found and am using Wuala, something Leo mentioned, but I'm not terribly happy with it, as it's way more (and more complicated) than I really need. Microsoft really needs to play up this feature. I've been a listener of Windows Weekly from episode 5, but don't remember ever hearing about it. I even have Essentials 2011 installed, and only as I was running the installer did I realize I've had it the whole time. Okay. Two things. One, the sync doesn't appear to be "unlimited", but for my purpose it certainly is more than plenty. If you have two or more computers with Windows Live Mesh installed, you can sync folders between them (peer-to-peer). With Windows Live Mesh, you can sync up to 200 folders, each up to 50 GB in size and containing up to 100,000 files. When you sync folders between computers, any changes you make on one computer will be made on the other whenever the computers are online at the same time. The contents of the synced folders are saved on all of the computers, so you can still work on them even when you're not connected to the Internet. Two, I'm trying to find out how good the security the Live Mesh utility & Skydrive really offer, and keep running into locked support posts, and not a clear "this is how we do it" at least that I can find. I was hoping you would have better luck as I really want to use this, but I want something that is as secure as possible, end to end. Thanks again for the article, DonS from Fairport, NY.
yoshipod
on Jul 5, 2011
This article is about Windows users, not Windows ecosystem only users. Paul's admission of the Dropbox advantage is probably the most important reason. As you can see from other users, the Windows only approach does not fly for most users. If you fail to see that, you are just as short sighted and narrow minded as Paul. I am not saying the Dropbox >> Windows Live Mesh. This is about Paul asking why anyone would use Dropbox. Then answer is obvious, he even said it himself. But Paul can't see past his own MS distortion field. As he desperately tries to move away from every non MS solution to an MS one, he is blinded to the fact that the rest of the world is not following. That is why he writes "I see no need for Dropbox at all."
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dropbox also has a paid option "packrat" that saves all versions of a file forever. With Windows Live Mesh there is no cloud based backup at all. If a file is deleted on one machine, it is deleted from all machines. That made me nervous 2 years ago and it still makes me nervous!! The Windows Live Mesh client for Mac also used to crash repeatedly and caused kernel panics whenever it was run. Windows Live Mesh does not work on Macs in a stable form. It is therefore not cross platform even though is purports to be.
Mecandes
on Jul 5, 2011
It's scary how much I've come to rely on Windows Live Mesh -- it's critical to my day-to-day work life now. However, Dropbox is handy too -- I use that for sharing public files: it's easy to just send an HTML link to a Dropbox file to a client. So, Mesh for my private work, Dropbox for the public-facing files... it's all good. Truthfully, I rather hope that Google, Amazon, Apple, etc., copy the Live Mesh idea wholesale, because I don't know what I'd do if Microsoft shut it down. Would be nice to know there's another option. But no one can compete, yet, it seems.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
In addition to file sharing/syncing to users own non-Windows devices, Dropbox allows users to share folders with other people who are non-Windows users. For example, I have several colleagues and friends who are Mac-only users. Dropbox allows us to share folders seamlessly.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
As a multiplatform guy I use Dropbox, but if I were Windows-only I would stick with Live Mesh.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Live Mesh does not support all of the Windows eco system. Microsoft dropped support for XP in the move from Beta to Live Mesh and I dropped it as well as I still run a Windows XP laptop as my main desk machine. I know use a combination of GoToMy PC,JungleDisk and Dropbox to support my multiple platforms and device needs. I am getting ready to leave my XP laptop but will keep the above as I have an iPad and really enjoy using it as an adjunct machine. I carry it and a Toshiba 14" laptop but find the iPad more enjoyable for casual use, especially with Flipboard.
mbedan
on Jul 5, 2011
I think Paul's key conclusion is this: "I have used and relied on Windows Live Mesh for years, and it provides a safe and secure way to sync my work between multiple PCs and, in the case of my books, share sync files between me and my coauthor." I use LiveMesh for the same reason. However, I use DropBox to access a set of files I use/access using my iPad/iPhone. So I agree with Paul and yoshipod. So go LiveMesh! Go DropBox! I do agree with Paul on most issues but I also think he can be a bit snarky at times - just like most of the commentors and almost all commmentators and bloggers.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Yes, Dropbox has the idiotic single Dropbox limitation, which the workaround for (junctions) is horrible and for nerds only, but Mesh doesn't have bandwidth controls, seems to constantly be syncing (either it's repeating its work or wildly inefficient), and it takes a relatively high amount of CPU (which is a system-killer).
rseiler
on Jul 5, 2011
Yes, Dropbox has the idiotic single Dropbox limitation, which the workaround for (junctions) is horrible and for nerds only, but Mesh doesn't have bandwidth controls, seems to constantly be syncing (either it's repeating its work or wildly inefficient), and it takes a relatively high amount of CPU (which is a system-killer).
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Yeah, I used Live Mesh until I tried to uninstall it numerous times (I thought I suceeded) from a notebook that I was giving to a friend, and, after clearing my personal documents from the notebook, I found that Live Mesh had cleared my other two computers of those documents. Thanks, Live Mesh!
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Where sharing files really matters it is between computers, and most people work on a PC and have a PC at home (remember there are over 1 BILLION PC's Other devices are nice but come on.. how often do you really need to sync 5 GB of stuff to your mobile device?
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Live Mesh works on both mac and PC. The only thing it doesn't have right now are mobile clients. I'm highly skeptical of this being a blocker for most people, particularly given that the web interface is perfectly usable. It's a better solution all up.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
If you want a native Dropbox app for Windows Phone 7 you can vote for it here... https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/3052/dropbox-for-windows-phone-7
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I love Mesh (and formerly FolderSync & LiveSync), but MS recently removed support for XP and I have too many XP machines. Mesh is no longer an option for me. It makes me sad, but Dropbox is the best alternative at the moment.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dropbox has a very good API, live mesh doesn't, except for "viewing photos and videos" Until MS deliver a better Live Mesh API, like they were going to in the original Live Mesh, developers will still use dropbox for easy syncing needs.
raltschwager
on Jul 5, 2011
@yoshipad - I'm following to Windows Live Mesh, for all the reasons that he mentions. People should use the MS solution everywhere Windows is and Dropbox can be used in addition somewhat securely to make up for the file browsing inadequacies of all those other devices.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Hmm.. I did use Live Mesh for a time, until I _had_ to switch. - There is(was) no way of disabling the remote access thing, which installed a virtual graphics driver, which in turn fouled up the switchable graphics on my notebook. - No Android client. Dropbox has one, and though limited in some ways, is very practical. - Through the invitation thing, Dropbox Free is expandable up to 8GB (I'm at 6.5 right now). So, Dropbox has its plus points too. It's not better in all respects, but it can be preferable.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
One very obvious reason even for Windows ecosystem only user, Windows XP support!
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
confused, skydrive offers 25Gb nut mesh only 5Gb, i am paying for 50Gb on Dropbox and would love to switch but 5Gb is just not enough, what is the story and why doesnt MS allow to purchase more space?
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I am in the process of migrating to the "cloud", via MS and their stable of options, including Live Mesh. I use Live Mesh everyday to sync selected folders and, for the most part, it is a seamless process. Also, I look forward to integrating a Windows 7 phone when I get one. However, many of my friends and associates are not tech savvy, or even Windows users. Most of the people I connect with have experienced difficulty even understanding the whole MS cloud system. So I was pointed to Dropbox as an alternative solution, installed it and tested Dropbox with several friends. Everyone I recommend Dropbox to loves the simplicity and ease of use for both file storage and file sharing and it serves me and my connections well - and for most, 5 GB of free storage is sufficient. I understand why APPLE appeals to the majority of non-tech consumers.
oyvindso
on Jul 6, 2011
Yes, Live Mesh is good, but you can't sync mapped drives on the network with Live Mesh. None of our users has their data on the local harddrive, all is stored on netapps and then mounted as network drives.We can sync thhis with Dropbox, but not Live Mesh.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
also let!s not forget that dropbox offers file versioning that live mesh does not. dropbox is also lighter and faster on slower machines, that is my main reason for not using the mesh. mesh has been a complete failure since its grandiose promisesof integration w devices, sync of program setting and etc. windows only programs like mesh just don't work when so many student use non win devices in their pokets and backpacks. btw there is no client even for wp7 for mesh. what an unfortunate joke with an inmense potential. too bad it remained potential not realized but that is what it is
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
Mesh is great, except when it's not. When the sync breaks down for any reason being able to get support and troubleshoot it is nearly impossible the last time I tried it.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
You forgot one, thing: there is no API for Skydrive or Live Mesh. So as a developer, I have to go to Dropbox to integrate it into my app. Shame on Microsoft for not providing an API for years!
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
I would like to point out that Dropbox supports delta sync while Windows Live Mesh (still?) does not. This is a huge advantage for me since I often have to sync big files over a slow connection. It's simply more efficient.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
Thanks Paul for reminding us about Live-Mesh, but one big thing that I love about Drop Box is the way it works so well for quickly getting PDF files onto my iPad.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
This might be some of the most short sighted writing I have seen in a long time. Yes, you might focus on Windows users. But one the greatest benefits of tools like Dropbox and Box.net is that you can access your documents from your most smartphones. That is the number 1 reason. Seriously, the Microsoft-only mindset is getting out of hand Paul. From a Windows user, who (shock/horror) uses an iPhone and Android phone.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
I make regular use of Dropbox at work to transfer artwork between us and printers. Why? It just works.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
The primary use for dropbox is not synchronization, but sharing. And Paul didn't even mention it. More than anything else, dropbox is a collaboration tool. It provides rudimentary version history and conflict management, kind of a stripped-down automated subversion alternative. It's all about helping people work together. Maybe Live Mesh can serve the same purpose, but it doesn't seem like a natural fit.
zeblonite
on Jul 6, 2011
The primary use for dropbox is not synchronization, but collaboration. And Paul didn't even mention it. Dropbox provides rudimentary version history and conflict management, kind of a stripped-down automated subversion alternative. It's all about helping people work together. Maybe Live Mesh can serve the same purpose, but it doesn't seem like a natural fit. And like so many other services, a file sharing service's value is largely based on how many people are already using it. Everybody is already on Dropbox, so why make them go through the hassle of setting up something else? Maybe Live Mesh is wonderful, but I don't see a compelling reason to switch. I especially don't see a reason to push others to switch, and unless everyone else switches the service is useless to me.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
So by your own reasoning because of the security flaw we should all just drop any microsoft products due to the fact that there are multiple security flaws within their various softwares...One other thing that this article seems to neglect is that yeah Dropbox gives us 2gb but with going through their startup steps you can increase that to around 3gb and on top of that if you refer people you can further increase this a/p their site for free users "For every friend who joins and installs Dropbox, we'll give you both 250 MB of bonus space (up to a limit of 8 GB)!" They are always adding features based on user response (Votebox as they dub it). In the end some will prefer windows live mesh but myself and many others prefer Dropbox.
Anonymous
on Jul 6, 2011
Paul is kinding here, isn't it?? Peoples use DropBox because it is lite weight and incridibly simple... And it does not slow their Windows when running... That's it... I don't want sync mor than one folder on the cloud... DropBox is what peoples needs... Live mesh is just to much...
GlennHowlett
on Jul 7, 2011
OK, I'll admit it. I'm a DropBox user and I must have low IQ as I don't understand all the negativity about DropBox. I was unaware that Windows Live Mesh was so capable. (Must be because of the low IQ). So I thought I'd check Live Mesh out but immediately hit a big hurdle. Apparently it only works on Vista or Windows 7. I run a collection of VMs with various OSs and the only Windows guests I run are XP. I also have a couple of iPhones. With the understanding that DropBox may not be super secure, I don't sync confidential files. What am I missing here? If there is a version of Live Mesh that works for XP then can someone please post the link.
Anonymous
on Jul 7, 2011
never mind the fact that you cannot use live mesh if your running xp!!!?? Wth?
Anonymous
on Jul 7, 2011
I think you have omitted the most important issue. Namely that Dropbox is a tool that is accessible from any number of OS. From Mac OSX, to iPhone, to Android. Furhermore, it also enables file sharing with any other Dropbox member.
bdegrande
on Jul 7, 2011
As I own and use a Windows desktop, laprop, and netbook on a regular basis, and have used Windows since the first version, I think I qualify as a Windows user. I also use Mac OS X, Linux, iOS, and Android on a regular basis, and Dropbox works beautifully with all of them as well as being a convenient way to share files for a couple of podcasts that I work on. It's a no-brainer.
Anonymous
on Jul 7, 2011
I know you have to drink the koolaid 'cause that's how you make a living but this one is over the top. I wouldn't trade my paid DropBox for an equal sized free WL whatever.
Anonymous
on Jul 8, 2011
Windows Live Mesh is only available for Windows 7 and Windows Vista.... As an XP user there is my need 4 dropbox...
Anonymous
on Jul 8, 2011
And the prize for the most ridiculous example of quote-mining goes to: YOSHIPOD Not only does YOSHIPOD quote-mine to misrepresent the article to support YOSHIPOD's position, but YOSHIPOD quote-mines the article we all (hopefully) just read before reading YOSHIPOD's comments. But just in case you (and apparently YOSHIPOD) didn't read the article here's the relevant bits to support my case that YOSHIPOD is misrepresenting the article: Quote (my emphasis): "But at a higher level, I'd just point out that, DEPENDING ON YOUR NEEDS, Dropbox is and has always been horribly limited for Windows users when compared to Windows Live Mesh." Quote (My emphasis): "Both provide some form of device integration as well, and for people outside the Windows ecosystem (iPad users, for example), THIS IS THE ONE AREA WHERE DROPBOX EXCEEDS LIVE MESH'S CAPABILITIES: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry. The very article you are commenting on, the article you quote-mined and misunderstood to support your position, the one we all read before coming to your comments has Paul acknowledging Live Mesh's relative weakness in the area outside windows compared to DropBox, and that different users have different needs. Quote (my emphasis): "I have used and relied on Windows Live Mesh for years, and it provides a safe and secure way to sync my work between multiple PCs and, in the case of my books, share sync files between me and my coauthor. I SEE NO NEED FOR DROPBOX AT ALL. And while the recent security issue is just the icing on the so-called cake, that's just an excuse. Dropbox never made any sense to me, and I suspect it really doesn't answer a need of most of the people reading this. Yes, HE sees no need for DropBox for HIS needs in a paragraph that talks about HIS personal usage of LiveMesh. If he had said "I see no need for anyone for Dropbox at all" you would have had a point. Stop reading into his words what you want them to say.
amlorusso
on Jul 8, 2011
And the prize for the most ridiculous example of quote-mining goes to: YOSHIPOD. For using quote-mining to misrepresent the article that we just read. But just in case you didn't read (or like YOSHIPOD misread) the article on this page here's the relevant bits to support my case that YOSHIPOD is misrepresenting the article: Quote (my emphasis): "But at a higher level, I'd just point out that, DEPENDING ON YOUR NEEDS, Dropbox is and has always been horribly limited for Windows users when compared to Windows Live Mesh." Quote (My emphasis): "Both provide some form of device integration as well, and for people outside the Windows ecosystem (iPad users, for example), THIS IS THE ONE AREA WHERE DROPBOX EXCEEDS LIVE MESH'S CAPABILITIES: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry." So the article acknowledges Live Mesh's relative weakness in the area outside Windows compared to DropBox, and that different users have different needs, and points out the superiority of LiveMesh compared to DropBox on a Windows PC. And finally the most egregious peace of quote-mining. Quote (my emphasis): "As he desperately tries to move away from every non MS solution to an MS one, he is blinded to the fact that the rest of the world is not following. That is why he writes "I see no need for Dropbox at all."" "I have used and relied on Windows Live Mesh for years, and it provides a safe and secure way to sync my work between multiple PCs and, in the case of my books, share sync files between me and my coauthor. I SEE NO NEED FOR DROPBOX AT ALL. And while the recent security issue is just the icing on the so-called cake, that's just an excuse. Dropbox never made any sense to me." Yes, HE sees no need for DropBox for HIS needs in a paragraph that talks about HIS personal usage, and he never moved away from DropBox, he never really used it in the first place. If he had said "I see no need for anyone for Dropbox at all" YOSHIPOD would have had a point.
Anonymous
on Jul 13, 2011
Windows Live Mesh is also available for Mac...
Anonymous
on Jul 14, 2011
Why use Dropbox? Because I want more than 5GB worth of cloud storage and Microsoft won't allow me to use the full 25GB I get with SkyDrive. Annoying.
bradu
on Jul 18, 2011
One simple question....Security? Neither Dropbox nor Live Mesh encrypt the data locally. Take Wuala or Spideroak for example, apps that offer clients for multi-platforms and Spideroak stores the encryption key locally. In case of a website attack on their servers, the hackers will see a bunch of "01010"... I do also use Live Mesh for my saving...but for streaming my media files Dropbox offers such possibility. Thank you

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