So Apple's TV Plans Are ... To Copy Kinect?

Microsoft's Kinect motion sensor add-on is best known for offering an evolutionary update to the motion sensing capabilities that Nintendo first provided in the Wii. But I've argued on Windows Weekly, in my Kinect review, and elsewhere, that the big innovation in Kinect, the one that will have the longest-lasting legacy, isn't motion sensing but rather voice control.

And while the tech world wrings its hands over how precious the Siri voice control feature is on the iPhone 4S, they've also conveniently forgotten that Microsoft shipped functionality a lot like that a year ago, in the Kinect. You can say things like "suggest a movie" or "watch this" and it will actually do it.

So it was with some amusement that I read recently in the New York Times Bits blog that Apple's secret plan for "cracking" the TV market was, get this, using Siri-based voice control. You know, just like Kinect.

"Apple realized you could just talk to your television," the post breathlessly reads. "It's the stuff of science fiction. You sit on your couch and rather than fumble with several remotes or use hand gestures, you simply talk."

Science fiction? I guess that's true if you ignore what Microsoft shipped a year ago.

I have learned one thing about Apple over the years. Despite protestations from people who see the copying, the one thing Steve Jobs' firm always got right was combining previously-available ideas and technologies with drop-dead beautiful design and elegant user experience. And the resulting products are, of course, often magical. I'm sure whatever HDTV sets that Apple designs will be as well.

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rmansfield
on Oct 31, 2011
First, Paul, I'm surprised to see you commenting on a rumor. You usually wait until something is actually announced before you respond to it. We have no idea what Steve Jobs meant when he said that he cracked the TV issue until something is announced from Apple. Second, even if what Jobs meant is voice control, interaction with Siri on the iPhone is already different than interaction with the Kinnect. I can give my Kinnect basic commands and it works great, but they're from a set list. The Kinnect doesn't interpret anything that I've said, which is the beauty of what Siri does on the iPhone and does fairly well. Yes, voice command has been around for a while and it's certainly been on our televisions since the release of the Kinnect, but it's very limited. I would imagine that Siri on an AppleTV would be a step beyond what we can do with the Kinnect. If Siri were on the AppleTV, I would anticipate I could say, "Record all new episodes of Walking Dead" and it would do it without my having to worry about channel or times. Of course, that's not to say that the Kinnect won't improve. I have no doubt it will. But there's no way to fairly compare the two right now since this all works off rumors and the two technologies currently have different capabilities. One more thing... if it's true that Steve Jobs did not see Siri demonstrated on the iPhone until the day he resigned, is there any chance that it was his big breakthrough for the television? I'm skeptical of that.
rmansfield
on Oct 31, 2011
First, Paul, I'm surprised to see you commenting on a rumor. You usually wait until something is actually announced before you respond to it. We have no idea what Steve Jobs meant when he said that he cracked the TV issue until something is announced from Apple. Second, even if what Jobs meant is voice control, interaction with Siri on the iPhone is already different than interaction with the Kinnect. I can give my Kinnect basic commands and it works great, but they're from a set list. The Kinnect doesn't interpret anything that I've said, which is the beauty of what Siri does on the iPhone and does fairly well. Yes, voice command has been around for a while and it's certainly been on our televisions since the release of the Kinnect, but it's very limited. I would imagine that Siri on an AppleTV would be a step beyond what we can do with the Kinnect. If Siri were on the AppleTV, I would anticipate I could say, "Record all new episodes of Walking Dead" and it would do it without my having to worry about channel or times. Of course, that's not to say that the Kinnect won't improve. I have no doubt it will. But there's no way to fairly compare the two right now since this all works off rumors and the two technologies currently have different capabilities. One more thing... if it's true that Steve Jobs did not see Siri demonstrated on the iPhone until the day he resigned, is there any chance that it was his big breakthrough for the television? I'm skeptical of that.
yoshipod (not verified)
on Oct 31, 2011
Right...and Mac OS 7.5 had voice control 15 years ago where you could tell it to launch specific applications. Did you write and article about how Kinect copied that? I'm sure you can dig back further and find other instances of voice control for computers. If you think the AI of something like Siri is comparable to a limited set of commands, you are really sad. The iPhone 3GS has voice control as well, similar to that of the Kinnect.
Mustang17
on Oct 31, 2011
Voice control, havent Dragonspeaking been doing that for years? For Apple to say its a new thing is wrong and it dosen't matter who came up with it before.
chuckb84
on Oct 31, 2011
What is this, sour grapes in advance? Do you have ANYTHING else to say? The thing that is different, fundamentally different, about Siri is the astonishing level of AI involved. So, how do they do that? Well, it's a cloud app! We saw a small precursor to this when Dragon put a dictation app on the iPhone a year or two ago. They don't do the speech processing on the device, they do it on a cloud server; that's how he works on devices with relatively little cpu horsepower. Siri takes that to the next level, and that's apparently (part of) the purpose of those huge server farms Apple has been building. As others have pointed out, this also means that Siri will -learn-, not just from individual users, but from the global database accumulated by ALL the user requests. From that, Siri is going to get really, really good. Siri is totally unlike Kinnect or previous voice control systems.
Info Dave
on Oct 31, 2011
Copy Kinect? I don't think so. Siri is to Kinect what Call of Duty is to Pong, well maybe not Call of Duty, but certainly Pac Man. Siri is so much more than voice recognition. Apple is licensing the voice recognition from Nuance (Dragon). They didn't invent it, they didn't steal it. It's the natural language processing that sets Siri apart. That's what Apple gained when they acquired Siri. Apple has deeply integrated this technology into the core of the OS. That's what Apple has added to the mix. This will help to differentiate Apple, at least in the short term. BTW, Siri didn't invent their product, either. Siri is based on research from a DARPA project. Research that is available to others.
BananaJr
on Oct 31, 2011
If you are going to comment on rumors at least get your rumors up to date. The Siri rumor is old. The latest isn't how you control the TV but how you present the content. TV content right now is static and distribution tightly controlled. If you make the content an App like the recent ESPN app and others that present content that is interactive then you break the concept of the "Channel". What you have left is an A la carte pay as you go system that has people buying content the way they buy apps now. Whether this is what Steve meant isn't known and won't be for a while but if it is it would take Apple TV from a hobby to another full fledged iOS device and do to the television industry what iTunes did to music by decoupling songs from albums.
MikeM132
on Nov 1, 2011
Is it just me, or does anybody else feel like a dork talking to their phone or tv? I have Windows Phone and also Kinect, but really don't use the voice thing much (sometimes on phone as it is faster---but only when alone!). The voice text message funciton is great, however, in the car over bluetooth--just an aside. Call me stodgy, but I am used to sititng in a chair with some kind of controller for tv. I don't like to jump up and "wave" to get Kinect to recognize me, or yell out commands. I don't see this as any revolutionary advance in technology I would actually use. Like Google TV (I have that, too---MEH!) .
argraphics
on Nov 1, 2011
@R. Mansfield "First, Paul, I'm surprised to see you commenting on a rumor" Thats was my first thought also...Geez rumors really Paul...This is what your left with to write on
morsleyg
on Nov 1, 2011
What's with all the dismissive comments? Paul's simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the tech journalism world. Sure, at this point it's total speculation and rumor, but if Apple DO release a TV with (or update AppleTV to include) Siri voice control, the entire tech world will go absolutely crazy about functionality that has been in Kinect for a year already. Add that to the new features the new xbox360 firmware will bring (such as voice Bing searches for information and content), Microsoft has already done everything this imaginary Apple branded television can speculatively do. The Zune integration on the Kinect is already leaps and bounds better than Siri for playing content, I have to repeat myself two or three times to get my iPhone to "Play podcast, Windows Weekly". As smart as the interpretation engine is, actual recognition leaves a lot to be desired.
Mustang17
on Nov 1, 2011
Saw a news report on Siri, it really struggles with a scottish accent. A reporter took one to the streets of Inverness and people gave it simple commands like setting the alarm for 20 minutes hence. What they said was clear and very understandable to us, however, the phone hadn't a clue. Apart from once when a policeman spoke into it. There is only one thing we can do.. yes, the whole planet will have to confrom to to Siri as its obviously not at fault. It must be a liveware non-conformity. I wonder how it supposed to perform with non english words. Around here we use them frequently, with many words coming from european languages. Aye instead of yes, whie instead of why, fankle instead of tangle, wither instead of whether, stour instead of dust.. Good luck to the geeks of california, they probably think Glasgow is in England.
pidge
on Nov 1, 2011
You make it sound like Siri just came out last month. Siri has been available on iOS devices for years and Apple bought the company April of last year, 7 months before the launch of Kinect. I have a Kinect and I doubt Apple will release a tv that is a copy of the Kinect because it just wouldn't be worth the effort.
yoshipod (not verified)
on Nov 1, 2011
"Paul's simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the tech journalism world." I got a good laugh from that one. Paul is one of the biggest hypocrites of the tech journalism world.

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