$500 million in advertising??? Did I use the Jump the Shark joke already?

Let’s recap.

Apple has spent the last 2+ years mocking Windows Vista in advertising. God knows what they’ve spent on these ads over this time, but whatever.

Microsoft, to their detriment, failed to respond to these ads for almost two years. They did, however, spend this time improving Vista, most notably with Service Pack 1 (SP1) and the many other updates that shipped before and since. It’s worth noting, too, that the biggest problems with Vista were caused by third parties in the Windows ecosystem, but whatever.

This year, finally, Microsoft decided to respond to Apple’s ads—many of which made untrue claims, by the way—with their own series of ads. These include The Mohave Experiments ads, the Gates/Seinfeld series, and, of course, the excellent I’m A PC ads, which celebrate the diversity of the one billion plus PC users worldwide and what they accomplish every day with Windows. These latter ads, especially, make the Apple “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” ads look arrogant and out of touch. Because they are.

Apple responded, as only they can, with more “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” ads. (Hey, stick to what you know.) These included some ads that focused, inexplicably, on Microsoft’s advertising campaigns and how the software giant should have spent that money—$300 million, supposedly, though Microsoft has never confirmed that number—on “fixing Vista” instead of advertising. As noted above, Microsoft had “fixed” Vista a long long time before the ads appeared. And as I noted at the time, too, maybe Apple itself should have fixed its own incredibly buggy recent products—MobileMe, iPhone/iPhone 3G, and Leopard among them—instead of hypocritically and falsely calling out a competitor. (The Apple Way, incidentally, is ship first, ask questions later. Apple customers are all beta testers. It’s the reverse of how tech products are typically developed.)

Well, guess what?

Apple spent $486 million on advertising last year, $467 million the year before, and $338 million in 2006.

Ahahahaha.

Here’s the thing. Microsoft and Apple both spend a ton of money on advertising. They’re both big companies with big reach. Of course, Microsoft has more reach globally while Apple plays mostly in the US and other rich nations, which actually puts the numbers in even better perspective. But if the notion of Apple actually producing insider ads—in which it rags on a competitor for, get this, advertising—ads that, by the way, the typical consumers who seem them won’t even get—didn’t rile you at the time, they should now that we know how much it spent.

BTW, Microsoft spent $959.5 million in advertising last year. But then they’re considerably bigger than Apple, compete in far more product segments, and are in far more markets worldwide. So that makes sense. And let’s be clear: That budget is for all of the company’s many products but didn’t include any Windows advertising at all. If Microsoft did spend $300 million on advertising Windows this year, that was a first. And it must have spent about, what?, $17 to $19 (not a typo, just a joke) advertising Windows Mobile and Zune combined in the past year. Those are the only two other Microsoft products that compete with Apple products.

So. Apple spent more on ads over the past three years at least than Microsoft did on its competitive products. And it was Apple, not Microsoft, that then released ads mocking the other company … for spending money advertising.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Thanks to the many people who wrote in about this.

Discuss this Article 140

mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
"The "Get a Mac" TV campaign that bothers some of you so much only appeared in a handful of countries outside of North America. In the UK the campaign was web and posters only)" Nope. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_mac#UK_campaign for 7 UK specific TV spots and 8 US spots that were modified for the UK TV market as well as the change in casting from Long and Hodgeman to Robert Webb and David Mitchell respecively for the UK ads. Of course, since the Guardian's review of the ads was: "Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur" ... "So when you see the ads, you think, 'PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers.'" perhaps it's not surprising that they don't get much play anymore.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: Yeah, PCs are rubbish. He got that right.
tayme
on Nov 22, 2008
@robertsjoe - You do realize that PC is an acronym for Personal Computer and a Macintosh is a personal computer that runs OS X? Are you saying that Macs are rubbish? Seems to me, that you are. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
OT but offered as a courtesy for the Mac users who seem to spend their evenings on Windows Supersite and may have missed it... Mac OS X targeted by Trojan and backdoor tool http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-251586.html You might want to be careful surfing some other less G-rated sites if you are among those arrogant enough to not use an anti-virus.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
tayme No, robertsjoe is saying that Windows is lovable and Macs are smug, preening tossers.
tayme
on Nov 22, 2008
I would disagree with both mikegalos and robertsjoe. Computers are tools to get specific jobs or tasks done. Choose what works best for you. I do agree though, that there are smug, preening tossers that use OS X and Windows...1 of each type that are regular posters here on Paul's site. --tayme
johnpapola
on Nov 22, 2008
@Mike, Come back to us with a link to an actual virus that doesn't rely on social engineering and the user actively running it to work in OSX. Even better, come back to us when one of these things delivers a massive, widespread attack akin to any of the devastating Windows virus assaults like Melissa or whatever. Just more of the same Mac bashing from Mr. Microsoft Evangelist.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@tayme: @robertsjoe - "You do realize that PC is an acronym for Personal Computer and a Macintosh is a personal computer that runs OS X? Are you saying that Macs are rubbish? Seems to me, that you are." I know that very well. But these days PC is used to solely describe what was originally the IBM PC line of computers. Nice try, but you don't get any points for this. So the dweebs in Microsoft's commercials are actually Mac users, right? When they say "I'm a Dork PC"? Don't think so. Yeah, PCs are rubbish.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: "No, robertsjoe is saying that Windows is lovable and Macs are smug, preening tossers." Always changing what others are saying and lying in between. No, PC are rubbish. Windows users lovable? There are lots of words to describe PC users. Lovable is not one of them. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QPON5i7Iivw
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: @johnpapola: "Come back to us with a link to an actual virus that doesn't rely on social engineering and the user actively running it to work in OSX." Exactly! I don't think PC users actually know the difference between a virus, worm, trojans or backboors. You think they would given that every time someone installs Windows (including Vista 2), the first thing that is recommended you do is install something anti-virus, spyware and the like software to protect your OS that's full of holes. On OS X, you don't need to do that at all. See? Life is better away from Windows.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
Not only does Microsoft lie, but so do their bloggers "BTW, Microsoft spent $959.5 million in advertising last year." It's $1.2b!
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: Here is only a partial list of the viruses, trojans et al found recently for Vista. Yeah, secure OS! NOT! generic pws.y!badb4c88 11/20/2008 FakeAlert-BF.dr 11/14/2008 QHosts-113 11/13/2008 Rscan 11/10/08 W32/Sdbot.worm!797C016E 11/07/08 PHP/WPTrojan.b 11/07/08 Generic PUP.x!37B20B0B 11/06/08 PWS-Mmorpg.gen!4F4835C5 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!77429105 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!484A4BCD 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!60143127 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!97495AE7 11/06/08 FakeAlert-AB.dldr.gen.b!C39E1DE9 11/06/08 FakeAlert-AB.dldr.gen.b!235FE737 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!DFCBAE17 11/06/08 Generic BackDoor!B82C9FBE 11/06/08 PWS-Mmorpg.gen!22A867D0 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!34729A65 11/06/08 FakeAlert-AB.dldr.gen.b!FB22286F 11/06/08 Generic.dx!538FC9E0 11/06/08 Generic.dx!6B498239 11/06/08 PWS-Mmorpg.gen!F3D2FD30 11/06/08 PWCrack-Winspy!16A6EC7B 11/06/08 FakeAlert-AB.dldr.gen.b!620F132D 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!2CB26608 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!F01058D7 11/06/08 PWS-Mmorpg.gen!DC838375 11/06/08 Generic Downloader.x!6F3F8CF0 11/06/08 Generic.dx!A5974192 11/06/08 PWS-Mmorpg.gen!24C50506 11/06/08
SPiotr
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos Neither your wikki link or Guardian "review" mentions anything about a TV campaign. I never saw them on the box and I can only find references to the web ads. Please feel free to waste your time trying to find more of the same "facts" and "reviews" ... 'cos you are really building a very convincing rebuttal. :)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
SPiotr Perhaps you should read the wikipedia article again.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
john "Come back to us with a link to an actual virus that doesn't rely on social engineering and the user actively running it to work in OSX." I will if you'll do the same and only talk about actual viruses that don't rely on social engineering and the user actively running them to work in Windows Vista. But, hey, you just keep on running with no anti-virus because Mac users are magically made impervious to social engineering except for reality distortion fields.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos, @spiotr: I know for a fact that the Get A Mac TV ads were shown outside of the US, and outside of the UK too.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: "But, hey, you just keep on running with no anti-virus because Mac users are magically made impervious to social engineering except for reality distortion fields." Even anti-virus software on Vista does not protect you from social engineering tricks. Not new ones. That is the trick isn't it? The anti-virus software does not know about new attacks, and social engineering techniques are even harder to prevent against. Sure, there are techniques to try and find them, but it's extremely hard. That is why social engineering is so effective. Mike, the thing is that Mac users are also more intelligent than your average Windows user. Hence it's a two pronged attack against viruses. One, the OS is more secure. Two, the users are smarter.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
I like Mike. Like Paul he's his own echo chamber. Loves the sound of their own posts coming back to them. Say anything, and it'll be ignored to sprout more FUD.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
"Mac users are also more intelligent than your average Windows user." Smug, preening tosser does come to mind, doesn't it.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: "Smug, preening tosser does come to mind, doesn't it." I think it's time you did a virus definition update isn't it? Those things are updated daily on Windows, right?
SPiotr
on Nov 22, 2008
There was a UK specific "campaign". Consisting of "advertisements". That were "recast" and "altered" and "re-shot". The ads were not aired on UK broadcast television. "Perhaps you should read the wikipedia article again." Perhaps you refrain from sending people on wild, irrelevant goose chases.
Dipsh t Admin
on Nov 22, 2008
I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but whatever. robertsjoe, this list of viruses you listed is very deceiving , and just because it is new does not mean that it affects Vista. Take a look at the descriptions. Most of those don't self replicate and require the user to do something to get infected. As we know from the immutable laws of computer security, if you run something, it will have the same privs as the logged in user. That will go for any OS. Market share determines where the malware writers spend their time. Remember that malware is all done for profit these days, not for fun. As the Mac continues to become more popular, these types of attacks will increase. To assume that Mac users are somehow magically smarter is amazingly naive. In fact, since they have been "taught" that the Mac is more secure in the said TV ads, the average Mac user is actually more at risk to social networking attacks. Which involve phishing I might add. Of course using a browser with a phishing filter helps, so use Firefox or IE. Given hat these require user intervention, running Vista and IE in protected mode will actually give you some of the best protection out there. It has increasingly been shown that other third party software is being exploited since the OS has been locked down so well. Adobe and Apple, I'm looking at you.
Dipsh t Admin
on Nov 22, 2008
"Even better, come back to us when one of these things delivers a massive, widespread attack akin to any of the devastating Windows virus assaults like Melissa or whatever." Certainly, before the Trustworthy Computing initiative, such an attack was quite easy because it was self replicating against an OS that were widely known to be secure. It wasn't until XP SP2 that many of those holes had been closed. Now the primary infection vector is human.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@Dipsh t Admin: "Most of those don't self replicate and require the user to do something to get infected." I understand that. But that is exactly what the type of security alert that @mikegalos pointed to is. The user has to do something. Yet that doesn't stop him from spreading FUD. He of course will not point to the number of such warning for Windows, since he's a fanatic. So I agree and understand what it is. It's Mike who is using such a single example to spread his MSFT sponsored FUD.
SPiotr
on Nov 22, 2008
@robertsjoe "I know for a fact that the Get A Mac TV ads were shown outside of the US, and outside of the UK too." Robertjoe, The UK campaign didn't run on TV. Everywhere else, probably, just not on TV. It's really not that important, apart from the fact that TV costs more than other media. Mike is making a big deal about it (even though he is wrong), so he can safely ignore the main point .... which is.... perennial iPod advertising coupled with two massive iPhone launches take up a significant chunk of Apple's ad budget.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@spiotr: "Robertjoe, The UK campaign didn't run on TV. Everywhere else, probably, just not on TV. " No worries, I believe you. I was just saying that they did, for sure, run outside the US on TV. And yeah, Paul and MIke (as they normally tend to do) conveniently avoid mentioning that Apple's ad budget is not just for OS X, that there's lots of money going to things like the iPhone and iPod. Not that they would say that or correct their comments or posts, it's not their style. Yet they break down Microsoft's $1.2b ad costs to make sure they say, hey not all of that was on Vista. Hypocrite, anyone?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
robertsjoe Nope. You're making it up again. So, do you really expect people to take you seriously when all you add to the conversation is personal attacks based on things demonsterably not true?
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: Making what up? Microsoft spent $1.2b on advertising, not the figure made up of $959.5 and re-blogged here by Paul. Look at the 10K http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312508162768/d10k.htm As for the viruses, many more reported for Windows. Why not mention those? That is why you can't afford to run without anti-virus software (if you did it'd be like putting a gun to your hard drive). Where as OS Xers can and do run without it just fine.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: I'm making it up and things that are not true? I don't think you know what you're saying. You love getting your info from Wikipedia. Have a look here and learn something http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: Come on Paul Mike, you love spreading FUD and not backing it up. Admit that, please. For the sake of the blogosphere's sanity. Like the bollocks about how 23 versions of Vista is better for everyone. Everyone but you, Microsoft and their fanboys believe that. The rest of the world knows that more is less.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
robertsjoe math 4 = 23 Yep, Mac people sure are the smart ones
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: "So, do you really expect people to take you seriously when all you add to the conversation is personal attacks based on things demonsterably not true?" Is your memory failing? You cry that I add personal attacks to the conversation, this from someone that, prior to me saying what you responded to, called me a "smug, preening tosser". Cry me a river. You're also partial to the personal attacks.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: Forgot the smiley there to help you decipher sarcasm. *rolls eyes* 4 is too many. They got that wrong. Everyone else besides you, Microsoft and the rest of the rabid fanboys agrees it's wrong.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 22, 2008
The consensus here was that optimal was 3 versions so 4 is hardly worth much fuss. And, odd, it's only the supposedly smarter Mac people who have trouble figuring out 4 choices and need someone to tell them what they want.
robertsjoe
on Nov 22, 2008
@mikegalos: You and Microsoft don't get it, do you? 4 and 3 is too many. In the following list, there aren't 32 different products, it's just 4. As you can plainly see, Microsoft and you don't get it. Only Microsoft can confuse things by splitting 4 products in to 32!!! Totally stupid. Windows Vista I - Basic Windows Vista I - Home Premium Windows Vista I - Business Windows Vista I - Ultimate Windows Vista I - Starter Windows Home Server Windows Media Center Windows Vista I - Enterprise Office Basic 2007 Office Enterprise 2007 Office Home and Student 2007 Office Professional 2007 Office Professional Plus 2007 Office Small Business 2007 Office Standard 2007 Office Ultimate 2007 SQL Sever Enterprise SQL Sever Standard SQL Sever Workgroup SQL Sever Web SQL Sever Developer SQL Sever Express SQL Sever Compact Windows Server 2008 Datacenter Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Windows Server 2008 Standard Windows Web Server 2008 Windows HPC Server 2008 Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-Based Systems Windows Server 2008 Datacenter without Hyper-V. Windows Server 2008 Enterprise without Hyper-V. Windows Server 2008 Standard without Hyper-V.
ccambell
on Nov 22, 2008
Shheeeeessh Microsoft Research.... what an oxymoron.
lotsamystuff
on Nov 23, 2008
"And, odd, it's only the supposedly smarter Mac people who have trouble figuring out 4 choices and need someone to tell them what they want." A fisherman can only yank the pole* if you take the bait, Mike. You should have stopped after the first sentence. * Insert Waethorn joke here. :-O
johnpapola
on Nov 23, 2008
"I will if you'll do the same and only talk about actual viruses that don't rely on social engineering and the user actively running them to work in Windows Vista." Yet another dishonest dodge. What Windows viruses have I talked about? Oh, right, none. I praised the Vista security improvements. But when your entire mode of discussion in arguing with a strawman, it's easy to ignore what people are and aren't saying. Is it just me, or have you truly descended into pure fanboy hackery? You are utterly closed to any idea that isn't already in your head. I wouldn't be surprised if you still feel Apple has monopoly power in your fictitious "mac market", even thought the courts have rejected that idea on the very grounds I have constantly argued against you using. And you continue to blather about how Apple hasn't innovated since the Laserwriter. Give me a break, man. No sane person thinks that statement is honest or reasonable. Nobody. Face it mike, even the Windows advocates here think you're a fanboy hack that hurts their image and pollutes the threads with nonsense. It's time to act your age, man. This single-minded behavior is toddler-level.
shark47
on Nov 23, 2008
"They both think that their version of the truth is the only correct version, and in most cases, they are both wrong." With all due respect, everyone here thinks their version of the truth is correct. I would say that if mike stays mum on topics such as Apple innovation and iPhone related topics, he's actually right more often than not. On the other hand, robertsjoe is a troll. Look at how many times the topic of discussion has changed because of him today. What started as a discussion about Apple's "deceptive" advertising quickly went downhill and into another Vista bashing session. Not surprisingly, the intelligence of Windows users was also questioned. There was the obvious discussion about PC viruses and, of course, on the number of Vista SKUs. Please go back and look at each one of robertsjoe's posts and you'll see what I'm talking about. The fact that the topic of discussion changes so easily means that you guys are doing an effective job of feeding the troll. Keep it up.
anonymous
on Mar 27, 2009
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