An Update on the Windows Roadmap

This happened a few days ago, but I'm on vacation this week and, well, anyway. Here's the full text of the Bill Veghte email to Microsoft customers regarding the extension of Windows XP support (from 2011 to 2014) and the schedule for delivering Windows 7:

Today, more than 1 billion personal computers around the world run Windows. Over the years, Windows has been the catalyst for innovations that have transformed the way people communicate, access information, create and share content, and much more, at work and at home. Windows is the platform that most people use to get the greatest value and benefit from their personal computers. Windows is also the platform that brings together the broadest array of choices across PCs, devices and applications. To all of our Windows customers, thank you! To the hundreds of thousands of partners that develop millions of solutions for Windows, thank you.

Your experience and satisfaction are Microsoft's top priorities. I wanted to take this opportunity to share some thoughts about Windows and to answer some questions you may have about Windows XP and Windows Vista.

There are three things I want to give you an update on:

  1. Our plans for Windows XP

  2. Our progress with Windows Vista

  3. Our view on Windows 7

The Future of Windows XP

With the June 30, 2008, "end of sales" date for Windows XP approaching, many people have asked me if they will still be able to get support for Windows XP. The answer is an emphatic "yes, you will continue to be supported." We recently released Service Pack 3 for Windows XP and we will continue to provide security updates and other critical updates for Windows XP until April, 2014. Our ongoing support for Windows XP is the result of our recognition that people keep their Windows-based PCs for many years and a reflection of our commitment to provide the highest level of support for all our customers.

The other question people ask is whether they will be able to buy PCs with Windows XP after June 30. The answer again is "yes." It's true that we will stop selling Windows XP as a retail packaged product and stop licensing it directly to major PC manufacturers. But customers who still need Windows XP will be able to get it. For example:

  1. For businesses small to large, buying Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate provides the option to use Windows XP Professional through a customer benefit known as "downgrade rights." Downgrade rights are also available to all business customers that license Windows, such as Windows Vista Enterprise, through our Microsoft Volume Licensing programs. In addition, some of our OEM partners are planning to offer services designed to help business customers that buy these versions of Windows Vista on new PCs to exercise their downgrade rights. This is a great value because it lets you use Windows XP on new PCs today if you need it and then make the move to take advantage of the additional capabilities of Windows Vista when you are ready, without having to pay for an upgrade.

    If you're interested in learning more about how to get Windows XP Professional through downgrade rights, contact your favorite PC maker.

  2. As our next generation PC platform, Windows Vista has many advantages that make it the best choice for people who are buying a new Windows-based PC to use at home or in a small business. However, some small business customers may have applications that aren't compatible with Windows Vista. In most cases, your software vendor should have an updated version of these applications. In the case that you still need Windows XP Professional as noted above, you can purchase Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate on a new PC and then use downgrade rights until you are ready to upgrade to Windows Vista. When you are ready, you are "future proofed" since you already have a license for Windows Vista.

  3. For customers interested in buying a low-end personal computer (often referred to as a "NetBook" or "NetTop"), we are making Windows XP Home and Windows XP Starter available for use on these budget systems. Additionally, System Builders (sometimes referred to as "local OEMs"), may continue to purchase Windows XP through Authorized Distributors through January 31, 2009. All OEMs, including major OEMs, have this option.

Important Progress with Windows Vista

Windows Vista was a very ambitious release. It contains significant advances in many areas, ranging from enhanced security and lower total cost of ownership to support for the next generation of hardware, to better audio and video experiences, to improvements that make it much easier to find all kinds of information, content, and data on your PC and on the Web.

When we began designing Windows Vista, we started with feedback from customers indicating that we needed to improve the security of Windows. To respond, we made significant changes in Windows Vista to improve the security and resiliency of the system. The good news is that these changes have resulted in significant security improvements for customers who are using Windows Vista. During 2007, Windows Vista had half the number of critical vulnerabilities as Windows XP Service Pack 2 did during the same time period. PCs running Windows Vista were 60 percent less likely to be infected by malware than those running Windows XP Service Pack 2. The phishing filter in Internet Explorer 7—which is included with Windows Vista—stops about 1 million phishing attempts every week.

Our Focus on Compatibility

The architectural changes that improved security and resilience in Windows Vista led to compatibility issues with existing hardware and applications. Many hardware drivers and applications needed to be updated, and while the majority worked well when we launched Windows Vista, some key applications and drivers were not yet available. Since then, Microsoft and its industry partners have been hard at work to address compatibility issues and now the situation is fundamentally different. Today Windows Vista supports about 77,000 components and devices, which is more than twice as many as we supported at launch. As a result, most devices work on most systems, and in most cases where the latest driver is not available on Windows Update, we are able to provide a link to the device vendor's Web site where the latest driver can be found.

Today, 98 of the top 100 applications for Windows sold at retail in US in the last year in the categories of Finance, Business, System Utilities, Imaging/Graphics, Personal Productivity, and Education, are compatible with Windows Vista. But what about gaming? We are happy to report we now have Application Compatibility Updates for more than 125 popular PC games to enable them to work on Windows Vista. These updates are installed automatically using Windows Update.

Free downloads like Adobe Reader and iTunes have versions that are optimized for Windows Vista. With the exception of devices that are very old, the vast majority of compatibility and driver issues have been addressed and customers are seeing a much improved user experience.

Quality and performance improvements to Windows Vista with Service Pack 1

One of the key investments we made in Windows Vista was to create a comprehensive "telemetry system" that lets us gather anonymous information about how real customers are using Windows Vista, and what their experiences are with real applications and devices running on real systems. This has helped us prioritize the work of our development teams and of our hardware and software partners to make sure we have support for devices and applications. It also guided our work in Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1).

Windows Vista SP1 didn't introduce a lot of new features but it was a very important milestone because it enabled us to incorporate telemetry data to improve Windows Vista performance, compatibility, and reliability. There are hundreds of small improvements that combine to deliver a significantly better overall experience. For example, Windows Vista SP1 copies files up to 50 percent more quickly, improves the time it takes to decompress contents of a large folder by as much as 71 percent, and provides diagnostic system enhancements that make Windows Vista easier for IT organizations to support.

Partnering to deliver great Windows Vista-based PCs

The telemetry data we collect has also helped our partners that make Windows-based PCs to identify, diagnose and fix the top issues that affect the customer experience.

For example, by identifying third party software that causes performance issues, we helped our partners shorten the amount of time it takes to startup and shutdown Windows Vista. One major OEM we worked with reduced system boot times by almost half, and system resume time from 15 seconds to 2 seconds. By improving driver quality, we also helped OEM partners extend battery life by an average of 10 percent, and in one case we were able to gain 30 minutes additional battery life with a single driver change.

Many of these improvements are the result of basic steps like using the latest drivers and making sure that the right software is installed on the system.

The Bottom Line

Windows Vista is a very significant step forward, but our customers have made it clear to us that they want broader support for devices and applications in order to enjoy the overall experience. During the last year, we have worked diligently with our hardware and software partners to improve compatibility to remove the barriers that prevent users from taking advantage of the important advancements Windows Vista delivers. It has been a year of exciting and critical progress.

Beyond Windows Vista

Some of you may have heard about "Windows 7", which is the working name for the next release of Microsoft Windows. We have learned a great deal through the feedback you have shared with us about Windows Vista and that feedback is playing an important role in our work on Windows 7. You have told us you want a more regular, predictable Windows release schedule. To this end, our plan is to deliver Windows 7 approximately 3 years after the January 2007 general availability launch date of Windows Vista.

You've also let us know you don't want to face the kinds of incompatibility challenges with the next version of Windows you might have experienced early with Windows Vista. As a result, our approach with Windows 7 is to build off the same core architecture as Windows Vista so the investments you and our partners have made in Windows Vista will continue to pay off with Windows 7. Our goal is to ensure the migration process from Windows Vista to Windows 7 is straightforward.

So What Should You Do?

The other question I often get when I have a conversation about Windows with customers is "what should I do now?" The answer depends a little bit on who you are:

  1. For customers using Windows in enterprises: Windows Vista offers significant advances in security and productivity and we recommend that enterprises that have not yet deployed it should absolutely evaluate its benefits. If you looked at Windows Vista previously and had concerns, the combination of Service Pack 1 and improvements made by our partners probably fixed many of the issues you were worried about and we encourage you to take a second look. We designed our management tools to support a mixed environment of Windows XP and Windows Vista, so a strategy that puts Windows Vista on newer PCs that have the hardware capability for Windows Vista, while leaving Windows XP on older systems may be best. Since many of you are using Windows XP, rest assured we will continue to support Windows XP and that you can deploy new PCs with Windows XP if you choose. You should also deploy Windows XP Service Pack 3 and Internet Explorer 7 for an improved, more secure experience.

  2. For customers using Windows at home or in a small business: A new PC with Windows Vista will provide the best experience, deliver the best results from today's hardware, and work well with the vast majority of hardware and software solutions available today. So there is no reason not to choose the best version of Windows, which is Windows Vista. If you use an application that isn't available for Windows Vista or if you just aren't ready to upgrade, you should get a new PC with Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate, and then take advantage of downgrade rights to use Windows XP Professional for as long as is necessary. If you have existing PCs running Windows XP, then you can use Windows XP for as long as you need. If you do stay on Windows XP, we recommend you install Service Pack 3 and Internet Explorer 7.

For more information about Windows Vista, I encourage you to visit:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/whynow.mspx

Additionally, I hope this clarifies questions and issues you may have about Windows XP availability and support. For more detailed information, please visit:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

I want to thank you for your continued business and partnership. We value your feedback and want to continue to be a long-term partner with you. We stand behind our products and will continue to focus on providing excellent support so that your experience with Windows is optimized for you.

Regards,
Bill

Bill Veghte
Senior Vice President
Microsoft Corporation

Long story short:

  • Microsoft will support Windows XP until 2014. This doesn't impact next week's "end of sales" event or, to be honest, most individuals.
  • Windows Vista is much "better" than it used to be thanks to ongoing work with compatibility, performance, and other improvements. I'm sure people reading this site are up on that.
  • Windows 7 will ship in approximately January 2010, which is the rough timeline we were already aware of. It will feature the same "core architecture" as Windows Vista and thus won't pose new compatibility issues.

Put even more simply, there's really not much new here if you've been paying attention.

Discuss this Article 23

CyBrett
on Jun 27, 2008
I think there is one important statement embedded in all this. "As a result, our approach with Windows 7 is to build off the same core architecture as Windows Vista so the investments you and our partners have made in Windows Vista will continue to pay off with Windows 7." He mentions making investments in Windows Vista now so they'll pay off when 7 comes out. I think this is important especially for those lazy IT departments that are going to wait for Windows 7. Put in the time now to at least learn the technology and be prepared to roll out Windows 7 or else you're still going to be running an 8 year old operating system in 2010.
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
CyBrett far from it. IT departments are usually very busy. Most are waiting for a compelling reason to go to Vista or Vista R2 (windows 7). If an IT department is doing their job, then they should be using a few simple equations... Cost > Value = NO VISTA or Value > Cost = Move forward with Vista Its plain and simple that most corporations right now think the cost > value. Cost is so many things. CAL's, training of techs and users, testing of current user applications, support applications (AV, VPN, etc), creating new deployment methods, updating deployment methods, hardware upgrades to support Vista, software upgrades, etc. If your IT department in a medium/large/Enterprise size company is waiting to deploy Vista, then they are doing a service to your shareholders IMHO.
DRWAM
on Jun 27, 2008
I hope the end of XP sales will force some lazy medical software companies to write Vista compatible software. The bottom line is that I can tell them to shove it of it is not Vista compatible, as my future PC's will be more expensive if purchasing the Ultimate version. Then again, we probably should be running Vista Ultimate in many of our computers anyway, but certainly not all of them.
cesjr
on Jun 27, 2008
"Windows 7 will . . . feature the same "core architecture" as Windows Vista" Does that mean the Registry is STILL going to be there?
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
What does VU give you that VB does not (minus WMC of course)?? I dont see how it could be compatible with software that is not Vista friendly. Ah the many versions of Vista
Waethorn
on Jun 27, 2008
"Cost is so many things." True. Let's take a look: "CAL's" You have to buy CAL's for Windows regardless. This point doesn't make any sense. "training of techs and users" Tip #1: Buy Software Assurance for your licenses, because training is included. Also included is extra deployment help for your IT staff. The MDOT is worth it's weight in gold too! (Ok, that's an obvious joke. The software, however, is not!) Tip #2: Buy your IT guy/team a TechNet Plus Subscription and a couple computers to build a test lab! (He'll love you for it) "testing of current user applications" This is typical IT work anyway. IT people need to test against hotfix and service pack compatibility in CURRENT OS versions even before upgrading. Tip #3: Use the Application Compatibility Toolkit. "support applications (AV, VPN, etc)" Standard fare for IT departments worldwide. "creating new deployment methods, updating deployment methods" Tip #4: Microsoft Deployment Toolkit. That's all I have to say. If you've used it, you already know what I'm talking about. There are MANY components of it that also address the other things I mentioned too. "hardware upgrades to support Vista" As was stated in the article, Microsoft fully supports mixed environments as usual. Tip #5: Stage your deployments. Start with replacing your oldest non-critical hardware first. Tip #6 (I'm repeating this one from the article): "a strategy that puts Windows Vista on newer PCs that have the hardware capability for Windows Vista, while leaving Windows XP on older systems may be best". If it saves you money to NOT upgrade computers - DON'T (yes, losta, you can pull yourself off your white plastic floor now -- here's the clincher....). Proper IT should have a scheduled rollout to make costs predictable. IT departments should be evaluating any new OS in the interim, so that they can take advantage of the new platform. Very few IT departments actually have a PLANNING strategy in place, and end up just complaining because Dorothy's computer up in management just died and now they can't get the old OS anymore. So they end up replacing 1 system at a time, making future planning, deployment, as well as system management much more difficult for IT. Tip #7: Have an IT strategy. If it makes costs more predictable, lease systems instead. Leasing systems forces a company to roll out software on a regular basis. IT should take advantage of leasing schedules to match their software deployment schedule. "software upgrades" Good software developers that want new customers are going to be faced with customers that have "the new OS" (at any time). If they don't move forward with supporting their software on the new OS, how do they expect to gain any new customers moving forward? Are they relying on a flat revenue business model just based on supporting existing customers?? What happens when those customers have hardware breakdowns and have to replace machines and can't get "the old OS"?? History has shown that companies that don't move forward will plateau and eventually fail while the competition surpasses them. Tip #8: Ask your custom software vendor these questions. If they can't answer them, but just say things like "We're not supporting " without giving any timeframes, they'll drag your IT investments down.
CyBrett
on Jun 27, 2008
Waethorn, I totally agree with everything you've said. My biggest frustration lately has been many of the things that you mentioned, especially software vendors not yet supporting Vista for client apps and even IE7 / FF for their web apps. My response is typically something like "What have you guys been doing for the last year and a half since this software came out?" I believe, IMHO, that software companies are to blame for the lackluster Vista adoption rate. Take a look at Nvidia...How long did it take them to admit they we sending out messed up Vista drivers? By the time they fixed it, everyday users were well on their way back to XP, never to know the real reason why their computer doesn't work properly. Cy
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
Waethorn have you ever worked in a company that maintains 5000 or more Windows desktops? Reality is something entirely different. Even with full blown Enterprise agreements it’s still costly. I have worked at two LARGE companies in since Vista came out. Both came to the conclusion that Cost > Value and wont touch it until 2009 or later. I could poke so many holes in your simple tips. Some simple examples... Training. Ok you can send your helpdesk techs to Vista training no problem. They can even get certified and be ready to handle basic OS support calls, in a very generic way. You cant afford to send users to that training nor do they need to go to a technical class. They do need user training. I am sure there is some out there with out a doubt. That said, in both cases, helpdesk and users, every company, especially large companies have their own way of using products and they customize them for their own environments. The bigger the company the more "their way" is injected into the product. So to train users, they have a training department, and trainers go to the train the trainers classes ($$$$) and then the come back and spend many, many hours developing the in house versions that tear out stuff the companies users will never use and put in lots of stuff they will use that is proprietary, $$$$, for the trainers to do this, to include new training materials and such..$$$$. So now you have your basic Vista user training created and ready to train the masses at your company. Now they come to class taking time away from what they were hired to do, $$$$$. Now they go back to their desk, and they will need help, especially since Vista decided to move stuff around, add steps here and there. So now they go to say their internal online FAQ, and either Wow they have not updated it yet, or wow its loaded with help, but someone spent $$$$ getting it updated. So the cant get the help then need, and so they call the helpdesk. Well the help desk is staffed with X amount of people based on call volume, which has been steady with XP and Office 2003 for a few years now. Now the calls are off the hook, because users have Vista at their desktop, and they got some 1.0 internal training from the training department, and probably 50% just day drept in class, and now they need help. So you go with long call waits, and users waste time on hold, $$$$ or you hire more helpdesk people, $$$$, with Vista experience, $$$$, or train the new ones you just hired, $$$$. All this training cost, does not even cover the training the desktop support teams went to, the hours they spent perfecting automated builds that get pushed to new machines, or for rebuilds of jacked up PC’s. And of course the helpdesk, desktop engineers, and training department had nothing on their plate at the time so its no big deal to take on this Vista project. That is just training costs….in the real world. Or 1 bullet point explored in only a little more detail.
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
CyBrett The example of Nvidia drivers is a consumer only problem to be honest. I dont know any medium or larger company that buys desktops/notebooks with anything other than integrated graphics. NVIDIA did not have a huge incentive to aggressively tackle their Vista problems with gamers not moving to Vista, and DX10 games being scarce. At least initially the PC gaming community, whats left of it, rejected Vista, because of the lack of DX10 games and DX9 games being slower over all. It could be changed now, I personally dont know anyone that games on a PC anymore.
Waethorn
on Jun 27, 2008
@Snakedoctor: The training I'm referring to is included with Software Assurance. They offer online training sessions for UI changes and such for Windows, Office, and several other software packages from Microsoft. Those can be done by users during off hours even before deployment to discover how they do common things in the new software versions. Office 2007 is a prime poster-child of why Software Assurance training is beneficial. It's also a much more requested software upgrade for companies than Windows Vista, even though the changes in it are more radical than the change from XP to Vista. The training you're talking about is done by IT, where they go to a training seminar, take notes, and then plan an in-house session with employees. New employees have to be trained on software anyway, so this isn't anything new. Software Assurance comes with redemption coupons for classroom seminars and is intended for those that will be doing the end-user training. Software Assurance also comes with 1:1 home use licenses. What better way for an employee to learn how to use a product than to take home a copy and "play" with it. Also, new deployment techniques for Windows Server 2008 and Vista are not only simpler, but the concepts are easier to grasp. PC management is also leaps and bounds where it was 8 years ago. For a good example, take a look at the System Center family of apps. If you take the Microsoft Deployment Toolkit and/or SCCM/SMS, it's completely automated deployment and management. You certainly couldn't say that a few years back. Remote management and managed services are also much more prevalent now than previously. Proper IT workers and help-desk personnel make very few desk-side visits nowadays. You also failed to read my point about planning and building a lab environment for building case-studies on deployment. You should read Microsoft's documentation on the Deployment Toolkit, as it has a complete methodology to each stage in the deployment process, divided up by teams, each designated to a particular task. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/desktopdeployment/default.aspx
CyBrett
on Jun 27, 2008
Snakedoctor, The point I was trying to make was that the consumer market is what gave Vista a bad rap. Therefore businesses were making decisions based on the bad experiences of consumers. I think gamers more so didn't adopt Vista because they couldn't get it for free/pirated. The problem with gaming on Vista wasn't necessarilly DX9, but more a lack of support for OpenGL.
Waethorn
on Jun 27, 2008
"NVIDIA did not have a huge incentive to aggressively tackle their Vista problems with gamers not moving to Vista, and DX10 games being scarce. At least initially the PC gaming community, whats left of it, rejected Vista, because of the lack of DX10 games and DX9 games being slower over all. It could be changed now, I personally dont know anyone that games on a PC anymore." WTF are you smokin???!
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
"WTF are you smokin???!" 5 seconds with google gave me http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/92615 from another in 12/07 ""Vista has shown a small increase in representation, but clearly nowhere near where Microsoft would have desperately hoped. Previously 7.99% of gamers were using the latest operating system. Now it's 16.91%, with a vast 81.13% sticking with XP. Rather confirming Valve's position on DX10, and what a massive waste of time it is developing for Vista only." http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080220-creation-of-pc-gaming-alli... "While the group seems to have a solid grasp of what's wrong with PC gaming, it didn't put forth any compelling ideas about what to do about them. It's also unclear why consumers should trust a group composed of members that have much to gain by presenting only certain kinds of information. While many would argue that XP is, at the moment, the better OS for gaming, would Microsoft allow the PCGA to say so? " I could spend another 20 seconds on it if you would like??
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
I highly doubt that any real business makes strategic IT business decisions based on the consumer acceptance of Vista. They make it hopefully based upon fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, ie Cost > Value. If it were based on the popularity of consumer computer products, MS would be bankrupt and Macs's would be everywhere.
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
"You also failed to read my point about planning and building a lab environment for building case-studies on deployment. You should read Microsoft's documentation on the Deployment Toolkit, as it has a complete methodology to each stage in the deployment process, divided up by teams, each designated to a particular task." No I just did not get into it. I addressed only one item in more detail. Training. I have been supporting Windows products for over 18 years in the corporate world. I am well aware of their tools. Labs are good, automated deployment with imaging products like ghost back in the day, use of SMS. RIS, and the new Vista Image methods are great tools with out a doubt. Although we like to call SMS 2003 "satans management system" where I work. 2007 is a tad better. Its all good, and has gotten much better over time. That said our desktop deployment team that supports over 100k XP desktops is a large department that is very busy keeping builds up to date with patches, drivers, and new software for client desktops. All of it is tested for compatibility and deployment. Hardware/software products go through testing before they are certified. Changing the whole OS out and how its deployed, and tested with existing/new hardware/software is a huge project and it will cost a lot of money. From a CIO standpoint pushing it back a year can some serious money. So no new "killer" feature for the business world that could save tons of money in the end Vista is a no go for many. I think Vista has much greater potential to help consumers. The #1 problem for XP in the consumer world is malware, and the #1 reason is that XP users run as administrators. Corporations have taken care of the malware problem with XP, if they know what they are doing, (firewalls, poxy's, AV, SPAM, limited users, strict users policies...etc) so the incentive to go to Vista for that reason is not there.
Waethorn
on Jun 27, 2008
"From a CIO standpoint pushing it back a year can some serious money." (I think you mean *costs serious money*?) Here's a question for ya: How much money do you lose by pushing deployment into the extended support lifecycle rather than deploying it during the free standard support cycle? "So no new "killer" feature for the business world that could save tons of money in the end Vista is a no go for many." "a large department that is very busy keeping builds up to date with patches, drivers" "automated deployment with imaging products like ghost back in the day, use of SMS. RIS, and the new Vista Image methods are great tools with out a doubt." Actually, Windows Vista/2008 uses WDS as the deployment services engine. RIS is only for legacy images. Also, I guess you don't realize that Vista/2008 images can be made with device-independent HAL's, so the imaging process is much more efficient, and easier to service. ....I would say based on your argument, that deployment hassles and security are the two main reasons why your company should consider it.
DRWAM
on Jun 27, 2008
Snake, I thought you were dead [Escape from NY]. Seriously, since you mention SMS and RIS, which is our acronym for Radiology Information System, are you in the field, I mean a Radiologist?
Joshu4
on Jun 27, 2008
I'm keeping an eye out for Zune 3.0 infomation....
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 27, 2008
No Doc, I am in IT, currently working for a large financial institution we will say, mostly supporting VMware ESX, specifically when it comes to Windows servers being virtualized. RIS... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Installation_Services PXE boot. Came out with Windows 2000. Modern NIC's have the option to PXE boot and basically pull down a OS install, that has an answer file, complete with post application install. At my current company the helpdesk is 100% remote. The remote control everything via RDP, launched from a SMS console. If they cant fix your problem then they have you reboot and PXE boot to pull down the latest XP build from out RIS servers. If you dont have a RIS server local to your location, you get mailed CD's with the latest build. WDS or Windows Deployment Services is the next step in evolution for RIS. WDS uses .mif files (microsoft image file?) vs scripted install of RIS, so its also faster. ADS is popular as well among the server deployment groups, since it has sequenced install that allows you more customization but I hear MS is going to get rid of ADS in favor of WDS, even though someone told me WDS is not as powerful as ADS. I dont do desktop deployments, or have not done them in some years, so I am not totally up to speed on it. I have a few colleges that do that on a day to day basis. I was on our Vista Pilot, from Beta 2 until Jan of 07, when it was decided that it would be delayed because of deployment costs. Basically to many IT projects and not enough IT, and Vista was not even on the tier 2 project list let alone the tier 1. Office 2007 just became an option not 30 days ago, but even there if you have certain programs interact with emai, mostly having to do with Outlook 2007, they wont work in our environment so those users cant update yet.
DRWAM
on Jun 28, 2008
I see Snake. What further made me think you were in medicine is that we also use SMS as our IS, which is Siemens Medical Systems. Portions were to be replaced by GE Centricity, or actually a digital HIS [hospital info system] was to be created. However at a cost of $81 million and many holes in the solutions as well as long waits for desired, needed features, our 3 hospital system [my hospital has over 420 beds] bailed out from GE. They are currently back on the market and Siemens is a contender. Glad to see that you're still alive:)
doon120
on Jun 28, 2008
I can't help thinking about your "swiftboat" metaphor and wonder if someone is finally starting fighting back by laying down "current state". Maybe they were waiting for Bill to go because they were concerned about his last act being a street fight with Apple. In any case, maybe this is the ranging shot before they begin to "fire for effect.". In truth they deserve to have more dynamic leadership in this area. I'll be interested to see what comes next, if anything.
subzerohitman721
on Jun 28, 2008
@ Snakedoctor stated: CyBrett The example of Nvidia drivers is a consumer only problem to be honest. I dont know any medium or larger company that buys desktops/notebooks with anything other than integrated graphics. NVIDIA did not have a huge incentive to aggressively tackle their Vista problems with gamers not moving to Vista, and DX10 games being scarce. At least initially the PC gaming community, whats left of it, rejected Vista, because of the lack of DX10 games and DX9 games being slower over all. It could be changed now, I personally dont know anyone that games on a PC anymore. My Comments... Speaking as someone who worked for a large distributor/installer/warranty repair company of PC's in the Dallas metro area, I have to find fault with your argument. Do you need a list of vendors who use high level graphics cards or graphics intensive CAD? How about the Dallas Independent School District? How about the Houston ISD? Irving ISD? Carrollton-Farmers Branch ISD?Infact, I can pretty much say that almost every school district across the nation does. We did business with school districts nationwide. We had boxes full of ATI and nVidia graphics cards. Many of our daily service tickets were to install ATI or in some cases nVidia graphics cards because the onboard graphics cards were woefully insufficient. Sometimes In the Townview Arts/Magnet school, we would deliver several thousand computers per day to their monstrous science, bank, computer science, and mathematics labratory. They were doing everything from studying aerodyanmic theory to simulating nuclear physics. They paid us to open up their brand new Dells and insert top of the line ATI/nVidia cards. School isn't your mom and pop's affair. They need the absolute best to be competative in the 21st century economy. We oversaw the distribution of a million computers in the time frame of 5 months. We're talking admin centers/buildings, regional centers, technical support centers, school support facilities, and the actual schools themselves. We worked side by side with Microsoft, HP, Dell, and many other vendors. After I left, the company did started testing with Vista when beta 1 came out. They knew about the issues with Vista but prepared themselves in advance of the OS. From what I've heard from my brother who left that part of the IT business, DISD and the other districts is expected to rollout Vista in 2009. As for the training, thanks to the Software Assurance licences we had and our TechNet Plus, our training cost were nowhere near as astronomical as you stated. I think you are inject a bit too much hyperbolie to your statements in my opinion. Vista is a technical challenge, but structure of the OS has not leaped so much that it represents a paradigm shift. The User experience isn't such a radical shift that intensive retraining is needed. As I have stated in a previous commentary, anyone who has used Windows as far back as Windows 95 will have no issues adapting to Vista. Training is costly and intensive work, but I believe the Microsoft ecosystem and local community colleges go out of their way to make it a lot less painful. Plus there are a miriad of certification testing centers across the U.S. to deal with these issues. I think everyone and anyone is unfairly bashing Vista because its the cool thing to do. Any little excuse no matter how vague is being yelled from the mountain tops. Many studes have indicated the the total cost of ownership for Vista is much cheaper than XP. I believe even Paul has a blog on this website to show that. People were complaining about XP security for years and Vista has delivered on security. Now we have more complaining about Microsoft. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The fault does lie on lazy IT departments and lazy developers who should have put the manpower and resources to get the Vista launch seamless. As I've stated many times, there was 18 months from Beta 1 to the Janurary 07 launch. How much more time did they really need? That is approximately one and half year business cycle from beta to launch. There really wasn't any excuse. And they better get ready with Windows Seven, because I know I will be participating in the beta program.
Snakedoctor1
on Jun 28, 2008
@subzero I am sorry but integrated video cards, make up 80+ % of the graphic cards out there in the corporate world, if not more. Sure there are lots of people that use CAD/3D programs that could could benefit/use a dedicated video card but for every CAD user there are 10 Office users that don't need more than a x3100 or whatever the latest Intel video card is. NVIDIA's problems with Vista was with games. In Vista its self it was fine, so joe corporate user would never see a problem with Vista/Nvidia on their day to day job. Vista/NVIDIA/CAD users well I would not know, and I dont think anyone would. We are probably talking less than 1% of 1% of all computers users with that combo running. Vista is not a technical challenge at all for technical people. Unless you still have those dreadful slow copy sessions over the network. Vista is a challenge for joe user, with lots of stuff moved, replaced or just gone and many times for no reason at all. "The fault does lie on lazy IT departments and lazy developers who should have put the manpower and resources to get the Vista launch seamless." Lazy or responding to market demand? Is their customer base more XP or Vista? "And they better get ready with Windows Seven, because I know I will be participating in the beta program." ummm they are ready right now, because Windows 7 is Vista R2. You paid to be a beta tester when you bought Vista, you get the RTM version when you pay for Windows 7. Windows 7 will be nothing more than Vista SP2, with a few features added. The focus will over whelming be, bug fixes, and hardware/software compatibility. Of course waiting until 2010 helps MS because hardware/software vendors will have updated their drivers for Vista even more by then.

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