AntiPod

There’s no new info here for Zune fans per se, but I’m linking to this for one reason only: It appeared in yesterday’s New York Times Magazine, which goes out as part of the Sunday paper as is decidedly aimed at non-technical people. My guess? This will be the first time most people had heard of the Zune past perhaps a single random ad somewhere. Plus, I enjoyed the moxie of the opening paragraph quite a bit when I read it on the Kindle yesterday. ;)

When the Microsoft Zune digital music player first appeared, it was the latest in a long line of gizmos to which the phrase “iPod killer” was hopefully attached. And let’s be clear about something: This column makes absolutely no suggestion that there is any credible evidence that this is happening. The most recent figures from NPD Group, the retail-data collector, showed Apple’s device holding 70 percent of the MP3-player market, compared with 3 percent for the Zune. (This put Microsoft in third place, behind SanDisk, at 10 percent.)

Rather, what this column wonders is: Who is buying Zunes, and why? After all, market share aside, more than two million of the things have reportedly been bought by somebody since the first version appeared in late 2006 ... in fairness, the product offers some distinct features, like a built-in FM radio receiver. And there is Zune Social, meant to let owners share playlists and actual music.

But the most salient feature of the Zune seems to be that it’s not an iPod ... owning an iPod seems roughly as individualistic as a gray flannel suit. Add to this those Apple ads pitting a cool Mac against a hapless PC: they may boost sales, but they have also inspired vitriol among those who find Apple loyalists snobby and smug.

That bit about the lack of individualism strikes a chord: Apple users like to think of themselves as “different” but they’re only different in the sense that all goth fans are different—despite the fact they’re all interchangeable. I touch on this a bit in my upcoming Mac to Windows Switcher Guide, hopefully in a humorous fashion.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I believe his article may have touched off an idea I had yesterday about Microsoft and its products. There was a time when people would switch to Linux or the Mac specifically to avoid Microsoft’s products, whether it made sense or not. And certainly, there is a crowd of people who avoid Apple and its products for similar reasons. I was wondering if there was a crowd of people, then, who very specifically stick to Microsoft products—Outlook, Hotmail, Money, Windows Mobile, whatever—regardless of the fact that compelling (and even baldfacedly superior) alternatives exist. Guys who essentially go “all in” on Microsoft. You know, guys who actually buy a Zune because, yes, Microsoft makes it.

Could be.

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lsproc
on Aug 10, 2008
I do know a person who would buy lots that MS make over Apple and stuff like that, but not the really rubbish stuff. She is a Vista user though. However we dont get the Zune out here in England. I did mail you about that a while ago, but I think having it worldwide would really get people using it.
dgrisman
on Aug 10, 2008
I've had two iPods, a Creative Zen, and sandisk and also a Zune. I bought the Zune as soon as it was launched because I was interested in what MSFT developed. While their intro marketing was schlockly and curious, I find that the hardware is comparable to an iPod. From what I've read in the blog comments and from Zune owners, it is a statement of individuality. Are they lock step with MSFT? No, not necessarily. But in my case, looking at alternatives to the iPod was, in part, a reaction to the over-the-top hype from Cupertino. At any rate, I'm still interested in what MSFT will do with Zune. One idea that came to me the other day is: Zune and Live Mesh. If some of the obvious possibilities could realized, "Welcome to the Social" could actually be very meaningful and interesting. But, I believe what keeps folks in the fold with MSFT and Windows, is that there are so many things you can do with the hardware and software options (like building that ultimate gaming system that Paul and Leo discussed recently on Windows Weekly). To be sure, not everyone wants to model their tastes and preferences based on what one very influencial person at Apple deems as cool., no matter how creative and brilliant others believe he is. And it now seems so ironic, that if you look at the Apple's groundbreaking "1984" commercial, the scene depicted could easily be reinterpreted as a contemporary MacWorld conference, with a close up of Steve on the screen and the members of the audience transfixed by his image, parsing each of his words for hidden meaning. Reality distortion indeed.
drylight
on Aug 10, 2008
"I touch on this a bit in my upcoming Mac to Windows Switcher Guide, hopefully in a humorous fashion." A humorous guide? So there's a co-author to supply said humour? :) "I was wondering if there was a crowd of people, then, who very specifically stick to Microsoft products—Outlook, Hotmail, Money, Windows Mobile, whatever—regardless of the fact that compelling (and even baldfacedly superior) alternatives exist." Sure there are. Look in a mirror. This is a Microsoft fanboi site after all.
Rasken
on Aug 11, 2008
Let's make a list of the stuff I have/use and love. Xbox 360, Vista Home Premium, Zune 4,, Hotmail, Live Mesh, Live Photo Gallery, Outlook(At the office). Frankly I love the ecosystem cause it interconnects very very well. I love the Vista Media Center and it's PVR functionality, then the fact that I can use the Xbox to play the content on my TV. I can also sync those TV shows to my Zune without having to use dodgy 3rd party convertors. I also love using Vista. I may be in the minority but going back to XP makes me cringe every time. So yeah, I may not be a rabid, bash everything else type of fanboy, I definately am a fanboy.
weedmonk
on Aug 11, 2008
Zune owner here as well. I was able to get the 30giger for $85 during last years black friday specials so it was a no brainer. The menu UI on the device is vastly superior to the iPod IMO.
pmcgrath
on Aug 11, 2008
I have a first generation BROWN Zune. 30GB, $90, last Christmas. It works great. I have my entire CD collection in lossless format on it, with room to spare for podcasts. Look, I'm an overweight, balding, dude with a wife and 3 kids. I don't need to impress anyone with my fancy music player and I do need to save money. My ears still work great and I hate the sound of lossy compression. I needed a music player with lots of space, so when this deal came up during the last Christmas season, I couldn't pass it up. The problem I have is with the software on the PC. Between the x64 Vista, my WHS where I store all my music, and the Zune software, there is some issue that causes a huge memory leak in the Zune software. When it is writing to or reading from the WHS, the memory usage takes off. I have not done a lot of trouble shooting on the problem yet. I mostly just use the software to download and sync podcasts and it does that well enough even with the memory leak.
bugfaceuk
on Aug 11, 2008
I may be British, but I travel a lot and have seen a Zune in a shop, but not in the wild. An earlier commentator makes a valid point, it's all about your personal ecosystem. The whole reason I am now a registered Apple Fanboy (although, not a goth), is that I was bought an iPod, tried the Mac as a result, and poomf MobileMe makes sense (for me), as does Apple TV, and iPhone etc etc. The Zune would seem to slot in equally well to a MSFT value chain (360, Media Center, PC/Notebook, LiveWotsit, etc). Long live choice.
Master3
on Aug 11, 2008
Here are the reasons I bought my Zune: #1 I dont like the scroll wheel #2 the screen is too small #3 The Zune software is eaiser #4 much more durable #5 love the menu system. And as for this whole using MS stuff because it's from them? I have a Zune, use Vista/XP, have a wireless keyboard and mouse for MS, love my XBox USB controller, use Mesh, WWT, have a Windows Mobile 6 iPaq and use Windows Live Mobile. However im also using Opera to view this site, use Google for maps, bought my wife an iPod which is connected to a PC running Ubuntu and saving for a Wii. I USE WHAT I LIKE. I love how if you like a product from MS, you somehow have to justify it. I mean how could I possibly like Microsoft products when: "compelling (and even baldfacedly superior) alternatives exist" Whatever the hell that means. I can also use an electric screwdriver too, but the manual ones work just as well and in many cases better suited for certian jobs.
Ocean
on Aug 11, 2008
>>Mac to Windows Switcher Guide<< Are there are enough Mac users interested in switching to make this worth your while?
Ocean
on Aug 11, 2008
>>The menu UI on the device is vastly superior to the iPod IMO. << I'm of the opinion that unless the UI is just flat-out awful, it doesn't really matter much beyond the initial OOB experience, or playing with it in the store for the first time. Once you know your device and how it works, it becomes one of those things that just fades into the background and you operate it without much conscience thought.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 11, 2008
Ocean "Are there are enough Mac users interested in switching to make this worth your while?" Steve Jobs seems to think so. One of his ten key features of Leopard is that it has three ways of runiing Windows apps (and two of running Windows itself)
nmg82
on Aug 11, 2008
Zune 80 owner here, and I absolutely love it. I can't stand iTunes, so that has a lot to do with me not wanting to get an iPod. Some of my immediate family members have iPods, and they can't stand them. iTunes is nothing but a pain for them. Whenever I have to use or try to figure out whatever problem they are having with the iPod, I hate it. The Zune really is much easier to navigate around in. The menu system is excellent! I really do believe that the Zune is a better product. I'm not sure where you are getting "compelling (and even baldfacedly superior) alternatives" from, I just don't know. But as hard as it might be to believe, I actually do like my Zune a lot better than any iPod I've ever used.
Dipsh t Admin
on Aug 11, 2008
I don't use any dedicated DAP, but I do use my phone's media player for listening to music while exercising, or Sirius in the car. I love using my Stereo Bluetooth headset.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 11, 2008
Dipsh Same here. Since my Windows Mobile phone has Windows Media Player, syncs with my PC, has interchangable memory cards for storage and supports both wired and Bluetooth stereo I haven't felt a need to carry a second box. But I do use the Zune software to manage my podcasts on the PC.
Ocean
on Aug 11, 2008
I guess I'm in the minority...I like itunes. I've tried to separate myself from it by looking at the alternatives: Winamp, WiMP, Monkey's Audio (the closest), but for managing podcasts and my smart playlists...iTunes just works. I do wish it were easier to sync with my Windows Mobile phone. I carry my phone with me everywhere; the iPod no. >>One of his ten key features of Leopard is that it has three ways of runiing Windows apps (and two of running Windows itself)<< Yeah, but that's running Windows in addition to the Mac OS. I'm talking about people who've used Mac OS for a substantial period of time and now want to use Windows.
dstrack
on Aug 11, 2008
I own MSFT products partly for the MSFT name, but I also have a MacBook Air as well as an older PowerBook G4. My primary reason for Zune (I've owned the original iPod as well and then switched to Archos) is the ZunePass. I'm tired of the 99cps model. I also really like the Social aspect (even tho I don't get to use it with friends as much as I'd like since most don't have Zunes). I'm also a WinMo user... mostly due to being loyal to Verizon - I'd probably switch to the 3G iPhone (wouldn't even consider the older one because of EDGE) if it were on Verizon.
bugfaceuk
on Aug 11, 2008
Ocean: I'm not sure I like iTunes, although it certainly doesn't annoy me. Personally I feel like it's in need of a rethink given it has grown far beyond a music-player/store now. Sometimes I wonder if it needs to be two apps, rather than one (hey, go crazy, Web App + iTunes) I'm glad people are hooked into the Zune, products with no competition stagnate.
CyBrett
on Aug 11, 2008
I currently have two zunes. The reason that I bought them is quite simple. Microsoft offers a subscription service that allows me to download practically anything I want for the cost of 1 album, $14 a month. It lets me share the subscription service with my girlfriend who can download whatever she wants and allows her to manage her device separately from mine. I haven't looked at the NY Times article, but I hope they at least mentioned this. Yet another reason is that I can sync my songs from my zune to my computer and then to my xbox...all wirelessly. My music library is the same everywhere I go. Whether or not the device is made by Microsoft really doesn't matter. If the iPOD had a subscription service, and allowed me to sync with my Xbox and not yet another device in my entertainment center (AppleTV) then I would probably own one.
tayme
on Aug 11, 2008
In my house, we have 2 iPods, 3 Zunes(2 30's and an 80), 1 Creative Zen W, 1 Creative Zen M, an old Sony digital Walkman, and a Creative Stone. The Zunes get used...Subscrption music is great for us...we can load, unload, and reload as much as we want. In regards to the people that want something that isn't an ipod...because they want to be different or whatever...believe it or not, they exist, otherwise there would not be sites with names like http://www.anythingbutipod.com/ --tayme
mathue
on Aug 11, 2008
If they ever get Epocrates running on it I might consider the Zune. For now I use my iPhone and my still-born Dell Dj sits waiting for it's final disassembly into the remaining working parts..
Ocean
on Aug 11, 2008
PCWorld: 11 Things We Hate About iTunes Brand New. Number 4 is my pet peeve. http://www.pcworld.com/article/149297/2008/08/.html?tk=rss_news
Ocean
on Aug 11, 2008
One more, and Paul will love this title: Is Apple iTunes the New AOL? http://www.pcworld.com/article/149453/annoying_software_is_apple_itunes_...
kcarson97404
on Aug 11, 2008
While I don't buy something just because it is made by Microsoft, I have found that the interoperability between the various Microsoft products makes managing my multimedia very simple. I have Windows Home Server, Media Center, XBox360, and the Zune, all of which work well together. I've tried iTunes and found it to be a resource hog, and the proprietary AAC format doesn't play well with the rest of my media. However, I will say I am disappointed with the Zune software. Love the hardware, but the software is slow and I too have had problems with a memory leak when attaching the Zune software to WHS (although PP1 seems to have fixed that for me).
fzanes
on Aug 11, 2008
I have a 8GB Zune and love it...absolutely no problems with it at all...it's an MP3 player, it plays MP3s, that's all I want/need it to do. Since it is MS, it works great with my XP and Vista machines…no setup issues at all. I also have a 40GB IRiver that I bought about 5 yrs ago...when I bought it, it was cheaper than most ipods out, and it had more storage and more features. They both lack that cool Apple logo, but somehow I've been able to survive without it.
gorath
on Aug 11, 2008
I'm curious to see if they'll ever release the Zune in the UK.
I am Bjorn
on Aug 11, 2008
@gorath: Good question! As far as I know, Microsoft didn't want to release the "Zune 1G" because they wanted to test it solely on the US market. The European market is no single entity, but consists of economically diverse countries. I can understand their reason for not shipping it there in 2006/07. To my surprise, the "Zune 2G" didn't set foot in Europe either. Maybe the wisdom "The third time is the charm" is appropriate in the future?
johnpapola
on Aug 11, 2008
"I was wondering if there was a crowd of people, then, who very specifically stick to Microsoft products—Outlook, Hotmail, Money, Windows Mobile, whatever—regardless of the fact that compelling (and even baldfacedly superior) alternatives exist. Guys who essentially go “all in” on Microsoft. You know, guys who actually buy a Zune because, yes, Microsoft makes it." Answer: yes. many.
Delmont
on Aug 11, 2008
I own a 2nd generation 8gig red iPod, Dell pc with Vista Enterprise, Office2007, Microsoft wireless keyboard/mouse and even a ( I think ) 5 year old Microsoft router. Oh and also a Mac mini. For my Dell, I run Microsoft Live OneCare with built in Defender. I don't surf porn, I don't gamble online and I don't go to www.whitehouse.com .......... thus I never ever get hit with anytype of maleware, virus or garbage. I like Microsoft. And proud to say it! Just the same for GM! I have a Comcast, Yahoo, Hotmail and gmail accounts. Like them all for the various aspects.
whiplash55
on Aug 11, 2008
I've owned a bunch of ipods, the Zune is the only MP3 player that has an interface as good. To my ears the Zune 8GB and 80GB sound superior to any ipod I've used. That said. the clunky Cowon iAudio I have sound way better than either the Zune or the iPod, but the interface is the worst. The worst thing about the iPod though is itunes. I hate it, they should make a scaled down version for people to just use the jukebox function and allow you to sync your music collection to it. The 128KB AAC songs sound mediocre, if I'm going to buy DRM music I like Music Giants using loss less WMA files. Plenty high quality to burn and re-rip as MP3s, Amazons MP3 are the way to go and its easy to move them into the Zune library if you want.
DRWAM
on Aug 12, 2008
Since the wife bought me an iPhone, I have been getting used to iTunes. It's not bad on a Mac, but I sure did not like what it did to the old eMachine that my wife uses with her Shuffle. Since I need it for the iPhone, I just have everything on the Mac now. When my HD died on the eMachine, I never reinstalled iTunes after the XP reinstall. I'm going to keep it that way. At least iTunes for Mac is functional enough to handle many iPods and iPhones. Still, I kinda like loading music on all of ouor cheap Sansa refurbs for the kids, with any software, just using Vista to open the Drive. Anyone know of a good free CD ripper for Windows? Than ks, Doc
Mum
on Aug 12, 2008
"One of his ten key features of Leopard is that it has three ways of runiing Windows apps (and two of running Windows itself)" That's for Windows to Mac switchers and those twelve people who have a piece of useful software that hasn't been made for Mac. And yes, there are loads of MS fans who do that. They're just as annoying as Mac fans - or even more annoying, depending on whether you're one of the other.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 12, 2008
Mum So you're saying Leopard has so few improvements over Tiger that Jobs had to list something that only appeals to 12 people to get 10 improvements? Or are you saying that 12 people is a significant enough part of the Mac user base to justify funding two companies and a feature team at Apple? Or maybe, you got the "switchers" direction wrong and that's the Mac to Windows switchers that Paul's writing the guide for...
subzerohitman721
on Aug 12, 2008
The one thing I appreciate about growing up today is the multitude of choices we have. Nobody has to be stuck with a product or service they don't really like. From video game consoles to televisions, there are many companies who you can choose from. Thats one of the reasons I love the Windows platform. The software and hardware diversity creates thousands of possible combinations. Its almost an extention of the Star Trek concept of IDIC, Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Thats why I am so strong about not demonizing someone's choices. If a consumer chooses to buy and own a Mac, hey thats their business. I like and write about Windows, because its my personal choice. Nor will I demonize anyone for their choice. Even if I personally disagree with it, its not worth whining about because people get set in their ways. I could easily be using a Mac, but I have chosen not to. That wouldn't stop me from recommending one to someone who can afford them. Most people I know who live in Dallas, don't tend to buy them as frequently as Windows Machines. As a Windows user, I often use Apple purchased software and hardware. I use the iTunes and iPod because I can easily get Star Trek episodes without paying the DVD per season prices. I just don't like the fact that Apple bundles Quicktime with iTunes. Nor do I like the fact that iTunes is suffering in my opinion from code bloat. (Yes I know in the GB world, 77 MB is nothing. But considering that WinAmp is 10.8 MB and the XP version of WMP 11 is 25 MB, there is no need for a media player to be that huge.) There have been many articles recently on this subject, which Ocean has pointed out. And yes, I agree with both articles on the subject. I think we should be promoting and celebrating the diversity of hardware and software. Its the success of the PC and electronics industry that we have so many options today. I look foward to having even more in the future.
chuckb84
on Aug 12, 2008
"Apple users like to think of themselves as “different” but they’re only different in the sense that all goth fans are different—despite the fact they’re all interchangeable." Yah, Apple users are all exactly the same, they're all people who don't like using crappy software from Microsoft, the company that has done more to stifle innovation in this industry than any other. And the WinBois on this site are all "different" in that they attack Apple in SO many different ways. But, finish that Mac to Windows switcher's guide, I'm sure it will have a breathlessly waiting audience of dozens.
whiplash55
on Aug 12, 2008
Free CD ripper for Windows? Media Player comes to mind, you can encode in hi-bit rate MP3's or WMA's if you prefer I like lossless WMA's on my Cowon for great fidelity or 320KB MP3's. The Zune software works great, but you end up using Windows Explorer to move your music around if you don't have a Zune. The third party apps just aren't that much better to justify the space on the hard drive.
Dude1313
on Aug 13, 2008
To this day, I have NO problem with those who have tried both PCs and Macs, and still prefer their PC. And they can give real reasons why. I respect that. But it's really funny how that courtesy seldom works both ways. Love this quote

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