Apple, It's Not A Standard If It Only Works In Your Browser, And On The Mac

It's probably just another back door way for apple to get windows users to download safari so they can say they increased their installed base.

"Apple, It's Not A Standard If It Only Works In Your Browser, And On The Mac"

That is a very misleading title.

If it is a published standard, then it is a standard, no matter where is runs or does not run. Just because other vendors / platforms have not implemented the features in Apple's demos does not mean they are not a standard.

If you want to talk about the fact that HTML5 and CSS3 are not finalized and ratified and therefore, not truly a standard, then you certainly have a point.   Otherwise, this seems like the typical sour grapes argument.  

On a related note, If Microsoft was really interested in code rendering identically they should start first with Office.  I can't count the number of problems we see here on Powerpoint & Word when switching between Macs and Windows machines.

Worked fine in my Mac Chrome browser. I had heard the same re: Safari but gave it a go anyway... and voila,...

Maybe Safari is, even worse, just a windows thing! Gotta love Apple :(

yoshipod: It really comes down to the notion that different products within microsoft are worked on by different teams -- which don't generally communicate with each other that well. if the IE team is the left hand, then the Office team is the right, and neither knows what each other is doing -- and both have different goals. What it comes down to is that the IE team has decided they're going to put effort into 'same markup' while the Office team doesn't have it as a priority.

For that matter, I'm pretty sure that Office has different teams for Windows and Mac, as well...

"If it is a published standard, then it is a standard, no matter where is runs or does not run. Just because other vendors / platforms have not implemented the features in Apple's demos does not mean they are not a standard.

If you want to talk about the fact that HTML5 and CSS3 are not finalized and ratified and therefore, not truly a standard, then you certainly have a point.   Otherwise, this seems like the typical sour grapes argument."

Paul has a point which you actually prove:  HTML5 is neither a published standard, nor is it the de facto standard used by the majority of users (that title belongs to IE for HTML, and Flash for interactivity).

In any case, I think I'd rather code towards IE9 for standards support:

samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter

@Paul

"It should look and work the same, everywhere."

Like the JPEG says, this is just a pipe dream (tee hee). The best we will ever get is "really similar." Native media player controls, typography, things like that are going to render subtly differently across browsers, and that's okay!

dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com

I agree that Apple's demo was a little boneheaded. It's definitely a marketing piece, not really meant to stand up to developer scrutiny. But why not spend the time on proper feature sniffing when you're supposedly one of the industry's biggest supporters of forward-thinking web development?

Yoshipod:

The title is not misleading at all; that's what Apple's doing here: saying "Look at how we implement standards (but you need our browser to do it)."  If their point is openness, then this malarkey about needing to download Safari would not be necessary.