Apple Posts Strong Quarterly Results

Apple today announced its results for the fourth calendar quarter of 2009 (Apple's first fiscal quarter). As always, a lot of interesting info:

The Company posted revenue of $15.68 billion and a net quarterly profit of $3.38 billion, or $3.67 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $11.88 billion and net quarterly profit of $2.26 billion, or $2.50 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 40.9 percent, up from 37.9 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 58 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

Apple sold 3.36 million Macintosh computers during the quarter, representing a 33 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter.

This means, by the way, that the Mac accounted for 3.82 percent of the worldwide PC market in Q4 2009. I will have to research this, but I believe that's a new high since Steve Jobs returned to the company.

The Company sold 8.7 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 100 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter.

Curiously, this figure disappointed analysts and could be a cause for concern for the coming iPhone-based tablet. "Maybe some on the Street were getting a little euphoric with their expectations on the iPhone," said Bill Kreher, an analyst with Edward Jones. "[This] might be perceived as a ho-hum iPhone number." Reuters called the figure "lackluster."

Apple sold 21 million iPods during the quarter, representing an eight percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter.

"We are very pleased to have generated $5.8 billion in cash during the quarter," said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple's CFO.

Discuss this Article 54

Avro
on Jan 25, 2010
Paul, To come up with under 4% market share for Apple you have to lob all those commodity Enterprise computers into the mix. The situation with consumers in North America, Western Europe and Oceania is rather different. Apple is very strong in these areas.
daveinla
on Jan 25, 2010
First of all, remember that the Mac sales figure corresponds to the quarter of release of Win7 which was supposed to skew the PC sales a lot towards the Windows platform. Plus if you ponder the fact that, as Paul like to mention it, due to the negligible share of Apple in the PC market, a 1% market share gained on the PC side due to Win7 should have dented Mac sales quite drastically. Well they grew 33% during the same time.... Astonishing IMO. Let's not forget that Apple still makes more revenue from its computer business than the rest. The Mac is growing faster than ever and nothing can dent its growth (not even the successful release of Win7 and its good press). Notice also the the real surge in revenue is 25% and not 50% as reported (due to accounting modifications), but still not too shabby... On the iPhone side, there's clearly a saturation of the Market in the US (which must represent like 30% of the worldwide sales) due to that horrible exclusivity with ATT&T... Europe is now totally saturated with most of the countries having multiples iPhones carriers (heck in France all of them carry it !!!). The only source of growth can now come from Asia and it's got tougher challenge there... Now let's see what they have in their hat on the 27...
daveinla
on Jan 25, 2010
Ohh and BTW Paul, Apple doesn't give a damn s**t about these commodities PC boxes sold worldwide to business and that bring 0 revenue (Cf Dell). Hence they will continue to loath at Dell's market share and revenue... while cashing in big in the most profitable computer segment... It's a matter of corporate choice !
Ocean
on Jan 25, 2010
"Oceania is rather different" Careful how you talk about my wife.
rr0de74@live.com
on Jan 25, 2010
"To come up with under 4% market share for Apple you have to lob all those commodity Enterprise computers into the mix." Of course we are talking Paul here. To bad you cant pull out consumer purchases only. Better yet to bad you could not just poll a user base with a simple question like... "If you could have, free of charge, a PC or a Mac what would you choose?" I would bet that 3.82% would be representing the PC and not the Mac. Especially in light of all of the recent malware problems. By rolling out that market share information once again, in a micro focus content and putting the text in bold, Paul shows he is a just jealous of Apple's success, yet again. He does this every quarter, because for the last 3 years Apple's quarters continue to be great. BTW Paul how many computers did Microsoft sell last quarter? What is its market share in the US or world wide for computer sales? Lets talk some numbers you wont here at the Winsupersite. Market Cap for Apple now at 184 Billion. Compared to...(info from cnbc.com) HP 118 Billion. Dell 27 Billion. Acer 8.2 Billion. You see when you back away from that micro content focus and look at things , from a much wider perspective you realize what Paul is TRYING (but failing) to do. Apple should just buy those other 3 and get all of the market share it wants.
daveinla
on Jan 25, 2010
To put things in perspective: Microsoft has approximately $14 billion revenue per quarter, and $ 5 billion in profit..., 93000 employees. Apple: $15.7 billion revenue, 35000 employees...
rr0de74@live.com
on Jan 25, 2010
Anyone catch the last "Windows weekly" pod cast? It was all about Apple???? I have removed it from my iTunes podcast list because I get enough Apple info from Macbreak weekly. I could replace it with......."Road Repair Weekly" and it would be just as exciting.
Ocean
on Jan 25, 2010
From the conference call: "70% of Fortune 100s are actively piloting or deploying iPhone " " In Japan, the iPhone has been a runaway hit. Up over 400% year over year " "AT&T has acknowledged that they're having some issues in a few cities, they have very detailed plans to address these. We have personally reviewed these plans and we have very high confidence that they'll be fixed "
SPiotr
on Jan 25, 2010
Guess who? "Apple has another inconvenient truth to deal with: It actually lost market share. The reason for Apple's stagnation in the PC market is simple. Though the company's Mac sales in the fourth quarter were strong, growth couldn't keep up with the wider industry, where PC sales jumped 25 percent. The Mac deficit shows up both worldwide and in the United States. And while the Mac may have plateaued ...... "
DRWAM
on Jan 25, 2010
Obviously I'd rather have the cash more than the market share. But Apple keeps making me eat my words when I doubt that they can sustain it. Still, the DROID sales is growing and could be strong competition. ATT exclusivity must go! I have no problems in my area, but other cities do have their share of them. My wife's 32GB 3GS iPhone is sweet. I got a good BJ for that one. However, I just can't be convinced that an Apple tablet will be a big winner. If it is, I would bet that it may be at the expense of iPhone sales. I will still stick with my Win lappy's as they do more than I need and can cost much less. My $400 ACER Vista laptop is going strong after 1 year.
rr0de74@live.com
on Jan 25, 2010
"if it is, I would bet that it may be at the expense of iPhone sales." Why? Why cant it just eat the lunch of netbooks and readers like the kindle? I think that Apple will show us a new media device. One that is better in some ways than a small form factor like a smartphone and better in some ways than a bigger keyboard laden netbook/notebook/laptop. If you spend some time and look at stuff like this... https://mail.dierbergs.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.popsci.c... There is room for something like that. I buy a lot of books, fiction and non-fiction. I have been wanting a E-reader, but wanting more than just a E-ink reader for the price.
rr0de74@live.com
on Jan 25, 2010
SPiotr please provide a link.
DRWAM
on Jan 25, 2010
You could be right rr0de, but a netbook cost very little and does very little. But it does what it's owners need. They may not wish to spend more than $300-$400 for a tool that they have limited use/needs.
chipwinter
on Jan 25, 2010
So Apple, with less than 4% of the worldwide PC marketshare, is making more money than Microsoft? You've got to be kidding.
robertsjoe
on Jan 25, 2010
"Curiously, this figure disappointed analysts and could be a cause for concern for the coming iPhone-based tablet." The only concern is to lame Microsoft who will copy Apple when their tablet is announced this week. Microsoft, innovation through copying.
robertsjoe
on Jan 25, 2010
At least Apple know how to make great phones. And will do so with tablets as well. Microsoft makes none on either product line.
chuckb84
on Jan 25, 2010
If this wasn't so sad and pathetic, it would be funny. Just a week ago, we got this on the "WinPropaganda" site: "Mac Falters As PC Growth Surges, IDC and Gartner Say" WIth cherry-picked quotes like ""The US [PC] market exploded in the fourth quarter" and "But the economic downturn has finally hit home for Apple. Though the company's Mac sales in the fourth quarter were strong, growth couldn't keep up with the wider industry, where PC sales jumped 25 percent in the fourth quarter." Yah. Really "hit home", Mac sales are up 33%, again outpacing the PC market as a whole. And those are not sales of no-profit netbooks; Apple actually makes money on these machines because---and I know this is difficult to grasp---people buy them because they see the value and want to own them! Any tech company on the planet, including the "software giant" would KILL for numbers that Apple gets while "faltering". Would you like salt with your crow, Paul?
BrandanL
on Jan 25, 2010
How is 100% year-over-year unit growth disappointing? I'm asking honestly, since there's no link to the referenced article.
rr0de74@live.com
on Jan 25, 2010
"They may not wish to spend more than $300-$400 for a tool that they have limited use/needs." I do think the tablet will be more than $400. However I dont think it will top $700, but who knows. I do know when I fly, and its a lot for work. I bring with me for the flight/hours in the airport, iPod, Macbook, books and magazines to pass the time. I imagine this new device could replace all of that for my travel entertainment.
whiplash55
on Jan 25, 2010
BTY Windows 7 market share exceeded all versions of OSX, surprised it took as long as it did.
robertsjoe
on Jan 25, 2010
And McDonald's has very large market share. Still doesn't make them fine dining. Microsoft is the crappy rip-off fast food outlet of IT.
whiplash55
on Jan 25, 2010
"And McDonald's has very large market share. Still doesn't make them fine dining. Microsoft is the crappy rip-off fast food outlet of IT" And Apple puts a shiny wrapper on a Big Mac and then charges twice as much. Meanwhile, has a hysterical cadre of sycophants screaming how much superior they are. Shave your head yet Robert? Jim Jones would have had fun with you.
Logjamming
on Jan 25, 2010
@ DRWAM said: So did my %1300 MBP. And I sold it after two years for $950 with OSX Leopard and OSX Snow Leopard (the latter costing me $29 dollars). Wondering how much your $400 Vista Acer thing will be worth after two years. I reckon a peanut and a cup of coffee.
Logjamming
on Jan 25, 2010
@ robertsjoe Hey Rob..don't steal my jokes! You're beginning to look like Microsoft ;-)
shark47
on Jan 26, 2010
With the kind of profits these tech companies are making, a higher windfall tax on these companies might benefit the economy more than a bank tax at this point. Socialism, yes, but when the rest of the economy is in doldrums, I don't think it's wrong to expect these companies to do their bit in helping it recover.
chuckb84
on Jan 26, 2010
So, let's take a look back at some of Paul's pearls of Wisdom on Apple. He has quite the track record: "Given the best-case for Apple (800,000 units a quarter, or 3.2 million units for the year), Apple will sell just 1.7 percent of all computers in 2004, compared to 1.88 percent for 2003. But that's the best case. It will certainly be lower." "Apple's market share is 1.88 percent today, and as your own math showed you, it will be 1.7 percent or lower in 2004. Why is this so hard for Mac advocates to understand? The Mac market is ending." Actually, "as your own math will show you", Apple now sells in some quarters what they used to sell in a year. Marketshare is double what it was 5 years ago. The more important metrics----based on that quaint old-fashioned metric we call "money"---are even more impressive. Apple is 7 times the size of Dell, and in fact borders on equaling the SUM of the market caps of the top 5 PC vendors. Apple has changed from all-but-irrelevant to the driving force in every technological trend in the industry. The tablet "obsession" that Paul speak of is because Apple is the only player in the industry doing anything interesting. It is a bad sign for Microsoft that Apple put up these kind of numbers, and gained share even in the face of the Win7 launch.
tayme
on Jan 26, 2010
Congratulations to Apple on a fine quarter! Happy shareholders and happy customers is what every company is shooting for (minus the few that need professional help, Jobs is likely quite embarrassed by those ones). --tayme
WebGuy3000
on Jan 26, 2010
My question is this: how it that anyone can still report with a straight face these these ridiculous numbers that Gartner, IDC, NPD, et. al. invariably issue just weeks before the real numbers start to come out. Do they really not see how this plays out quarter after quarter? Here's Paul reporting on the IDC/Gartner numbers on 1/14 ("Mac Falters As PC Growth Surges, IDC and Gartner Say"): "Though the company's Mac sales in the fourth quarter were strong, growth couldn't keep up with the wider industry, where PC sales jumped 25 percent in the fourth quarter." http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/103438/ Compare to today's report: "Apple sold 3.36 million Macintosh computers during the quarter, representing a 33 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter." Honest to God, it's Charlie Brown and Lucy and the dang football - every quarter, a week or two before the computer companies report actual numbers, these genius analytic firms (Gartner, IDC, NPD) breathlessly report these sales estimates (which I can only conclude are based on a complex algorithm involving some form of anal extraction), and they're always *ALWAYS* wrong. And just as breathlessly, pundits everywhere (Paul is not alone in this) parrot these numbers under hand-winging headlines and concluding that Apple's refusal to get involved in the low-end market has finally come home to roost. Really. This time for sure. I'm still waiting for the headline: "Gartner: Jeez, We Missed That One By A Mile! Maybe We Should Wait For Actual Numbers Before Issuing Our Blockbuster Analytics. Nah!"
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@daveinla : Apple extremely good quarter is absolutely not due to sales of Mac!! It is only due to sales of IPhone an IPod, exclusively!! Don't dream guys... Mac OS has nothing to do with that... Apple continue to sell 3% of the PC world wide, not more... And we will see in the next quarter the hit of Win7 on the market in the Microsoft results... Congrats to Apple!! It is great to see companies that continue to grow even in the recession!! You know, even if I don't think Apple and Steve Jobs are gods... I still consider it do great product that influence market and competitors toward the right direction... Congrats to Apple... I am eager to see their new iTablet even if I think that Microsoft will leave an also interesting.
whiplash55
on Jan 26, 2010
Wondering how much your $400 Vista Acer thing will be worth after two years. I reckon a peanut and a cup of coffee. Who cares they're both going to be obsolete hardware in 2 years the difference is he's had the extra money all along in his account while yours was in a shiny computer on your desk. Having owned Macs and PC's over the years the fact is either can fail anytime. I went through 2 logic boards and 3 hard drives on a G4 iBook. Meanwhile my Dell from 2004 still is in full time use by a friend we gave it to. The iBook was re-cycled years ago.
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@BladRnr: it is exactly what I told... 33% of 3% is near 1% of growth so This is not sales of Mac that do the difference... And you are right, Win7 have a lot of effect on Apple!!
WebGuy3000
on Jan 26, 2010
chuckb84 said: "Any tech company on the planet, including the "software giant" would KILL for numbers that Apple gets while "faltering"." Don't be so sure. Remember, Microsoft's gross margins are around 80%. Numbers like Apple's would be a major comedown for them. Their hardware partners, on the other hand...
lotsamystuff
on Jan 26, 2010
"@daveinla : Apple extremely good quarter is absolutely not due to sales of Mac!! It is only due to sales of IPhone an IPod, exclusively!!" What are you smoking, dude? a 33% increase in sales is huge for any company. "33% of 3% is near 1% of growth so This is not sales of Mac that do the difference" I shudder to think of how inadequate your grasp of mathematics is. Or, like I said earlier, maybe you're just 12 years old and can't possibly comprehend what a ridiculously stupid statement that is. Either way, your math skills are as horrid as your English.
chuckb84
on Jan 26, 2010
On those Mac sales and Apple's revenues: Apple sold $5B worth of Macs while gaining marketshare against the entire PC world. The made about the same money on each of the other two major product lines, the iPod and the iPhone. Paul's obsession with marketshare is clearly refuted here: http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/23812/ Comparing Apple with Dell, note the steady progression in the relative valuation of the two companies, "On January 13, 2006, after a little more than eight years of hard work, Apple Inc. passed Dell, Inc. in market value, $72.13 billion vs. $71.97 billion at market close, respectively. • 2X: On July 27, 2007, Apple's value doubled that of Dell's, $127.81 billion vs. $63.65 billion, respectively. • 3X:On December 6, 2007, Apple's market value passed 3 times that of Dell's, $165.66 billion vs. $54.42 billion, respectively. • 4X:On May 01, 2008, Apple's market value quadrupled that of Dell's, $158.66 billion vs. $38.97 billion, respectively. • 5X:On February 12, 2009, Apple rose $2.60 to hit a market value of $88.37 billion or 5 times that of Dell's $17.52 billion. • 6X:On October 20, 2009, Apple rose $11.21 to $201.07 to hit a market value of $180.12 billion or more than 6 times that of Dell's $29.97 billion. • 7X:In NASDAQ trading today, Apple gained $7.57 to $210.64 to hit a market value of $189.72 billion or more than 7 times that of Dell's current $27.03 billion." Apple's value hasn't just gone up, Dell's has gone DOWN, while retaining a lot of that priceless "marketshare". I wonder which company Mr. Dell now wishes he ran?
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@lotsamystuff ; What are you talking about??? What is the problem with my maths here?? 33% of 3% is exactly 0.99% what is the problem with that? If you insinuate that the Apple had growth their sales of 33% of the market it would mean that Apple 3% of the PC Market growth to 36% ... Thie is wronnng... In your dream ... This is not true that Microsoft which owned 95% of the PC market drop at 60% ... So what in my Math you don't like???
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@chuckb84 : Baaa!! The part that Dell lost has not been taken by Apple necessarily... This is a silly comparison here..
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@lotsamystuff : I never told that 33% is not huge I just told that it represent only 0.99% of the PC market which is not a lot compared with that 95% owned by Microsoft... You stupidity is as great as the quality of your English lotsa... Tête de gland...
Dude1313
on Jan 26, 2010
EricoF3 said: @chuckb84 : Baaa!! The part that Dell lost has not been taken by Apple necessarily... This is a silly comparison here. ****************************** Actually.... no its not. The interesting thing is the subtle way the pro PC side likes to frame the argument. The statistic that Paul and his followers get himself all worked up about are the Number of WINDOWS installs compared to Macs sold. Got that OS sold vs a entire integrated OS and hardware sale. MS makes how many PCs . So why does the pro PC crowd like to mac this comparison? Because when compared to the Mac you can't shout "We have 95% of the Market!". Much tougher to stomach when Dell has 16%, HP 20%, Asur 14% etc, and Apple 7-10% depending on whose math you beleive. And PC market I'm sure Dell and HP are pleased with the race to teh bottom for PCs and net books that make little to no money. I'm sure they love eking out minuscule dollars for so little return. So please continue to cherry pick your arguments as to which matters more. I'll take Apple's performance over Dell's or HPs any day of the week and twice on Sunday. And within this year Apple might become worth more then MS. And that is without even getting into just what counts as a "PC" for the purposes of a PC. So to all that think that Apple is a flash in the pan or that Paul's narrowly defined definition is the whole view of the thing, then please by all means continue to do so. All the while keep telling yourself that Apple isn't going from strength to strength and steam rolling everyone with every new product market that comes along (sans home gaming... for now). In short Apple is a Behemoth and anyone who thinks that they aren't is just kidding themselves. As I always say here like what you like, use what you want (Tayme and I see eye to eye on this one), but to think that Win7 is having an impact on Apple? These numbers don't reflect that.
yoshipod
on Jan 26, 2010
"Mac Falters As PC Growth Surges" Remember that wonderful headline of Paul's from two weeks ago? Where he spent the whole article talking about how the Mac was losing market share because they could not keep up with all the cheap netbooks and the like.
chuckb84
on Jan 26, 2010
"And that is without even getting into just what counts as a "PC" for the purposes of a PC." Very good point. The iPhone has the cpu power of an early 90's "PC", the tablet will be even more in a grey area. Instead of "Macs", we may need to start referring to Apple Computers. It makes as much sense as counting all those cash registers and airline ticket counters as "PCs". That's not an attempt to reframe the question to Apple's benefit, just an acknowledgement of the changing shape of the market. I would have no issue if the PC crowd similarly wanted to count WinMo devices in the same way. The categories are changing.... "@chuckb84 : Baaa!! The part that Dell lost has not been taken by Apple necessarily... This is a silly comparison here.." Sure, keep saying, like Paul, that marketshare is all that matters. A little tip for you though, companies are in busy to make MONEY, not marketshare, and in that area, Apple and Macs are kicking the stuffings out of their competitors. And EricoF3, your statement "Apple extremely good quarter is absolutely not due to sales of Mac!!" is flat wrong. That's even acknowledged by Paul, over on the WinAmateurs site, "Thanks To Strong Mac Sales, a Blockbuster Apple Quarter"
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@Dude1313 : You should not be so sure of what you told because we could read in news paper, last week or so, that Win7 sales actually exceed all the sales of OSX since the first version in 2000. So, if we conciser that Win7 has been release 22 October 2009, it's mean a quarter actually, it is not so bad, for a supposedly dying mammoth...
lotsamystuff
on Jan 26, 2010
"What are you talking about??? What is the problem with my maths here?? " You said the following: "Apple extremely good quarter is absolutely not due to sales of Mac!! It is only due to sales of IPhone an IPod, exclusively!!" You're wrong. A 33% sales growth in ANY product line is going to contribute substantially to the bottom line. If Apple had to rely "exclusively" (as YOU said) on the iPhone and iPod, they would have had a horrible quarter. It doesn't matter how much market share Apple gains vis-a-vis Windows PCs. What's relevant here is that sales of Macintosh computers were up 33%, and that was a big part of Apple's profit for the quarter. You spit out this ridiculous statement: "33% of 3% is near 1% of growth so This is not sales of Mac that do the difference". Aside from being nearly incomprehensible, it's irrelevant to the FACT that Apple experienced substantial sales growth with their Macintosh line, and those sales added big bucks to the bottom line. You're simply wrong when you say that Apple's results are "absolutely" not related to "sales of Mac". You're wrong when you say that they only made money because of the iPod and iPhone. Do you get it now?
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@chuckb84 "And EricoF3, your statement "Apple extremely good quarter is absolutely not due to sales of Mac!!" is flat wrong. That's even acknowledged by Paul, over on the WinAmateurs site" Excuse me but here in Canada, all the specialists, tells on the Radios and TV at economics news that Apple have a huge Quarter particularly due to their sales of IPhone... So... Apple own 3 to 4% of the PC Computer Market on the planet actually, it is great but, this is a little little little part of the market... They grow their PC part by 33% which is 0.99% growth... Its good but this is again a little little little part of the market... Not to mention that 33 % was probably stolen has much Linux rather than Windows...
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
Dreeeeeamer, you know you are a dreamer Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no! I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no! I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!" You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you, Now there's not a lot I can do Dreeeeeamer, you stupid little dreamer; So now you put your head in your hands, oh no! I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!" You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you, Now there's not a lot I can do. [...] lolol
chuckb84
on Jan 26, 2010
EricoF3 Let's try to make this easy. A few years ago, when Paul hilariously stated "The Mac market is ending", Apple made about $1.6B a quarter on Macs. This quarter they made over $5B with twice the marketshare. There's no opinion in this; it's just numbers. The context is this: Today Apple makes as much from Macs in ONE QUARTER as they used to make in an ENTIRE YEAR. That's growth, very spectacular growth, which has sustainably outpaced the industry almost continuously for 5 years. As for this, "Excuse me but here in Canada, all the specialists, tells on the Radios and TV at economics news that Apple have a huge Quarter particularly due to their sales of IPhone... So..." It doesn't matter who (or how many) spout nonsense, it's still nonsense.
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@lotsamystuff : No lotsa... YOU are Wrong... I am sorry but if they growth their Mac sales of 33% it is necessary based on what they sold in the past, so if they sold 3 computer in the last quarter it means that they sold one more Mac in this quarter. I understand that I my mistake is to apply 33% of growth on the 3% of the total PC market, which is my error, I am sorry. But what I tried to tell is if they sell 33% more Mac in this quarter this have a really little impact of the total because IPhone and IPod sales are so huge! I am not an expert and I don't know the numbers exactly but if Apple get a 33% growth on Mac Sales, How much the growth of Ipod and IPhone sales exactly?
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
@chuckb84: OK I understand that, but in the same time Apple do a supposedly HUGE Macs sales quarter, Microsoft sell more Windows 7, in the same quarter, that Apple sold OSX in the past 10 years... I know this is not an argument but... The only thing I try to demonstrate is that it is not true that only Apple that do good!! Apple doing great products and they have a really impressive quarter, even in the major recession... That is great, but in the same time Microsoft don't lose sales, Dell lost a little market probably due to competition between the different PC maker I mean HP, Acer, etc... Probably not because of Apple ...
Ocean
on Jan 26, 2010
Apple is one of the best tech companies out there today.
Dude1313
on Jan 26, 2010
EricoF3 said: @Dude1313 : You should not be so sure of what you told because we could read in news paper, last week or so, that Win7 sales actually exceed all the sales of OSX since the first version in 2000. *************** No because I'm not talking about OS, I'm talking about the actual computers themselves. As PC apologists are wont to do, they will try to frame it as Windows installs vs Macs sold. To which I could What Windows PC, there is no Windows PCs. There are however various PC manufacturers that happen to run Windows by default. This is two very different things. And on top of that go ask Dell or HP if they are MS' biggest fans right now. If they wanted to Apple could by Dell if they wanted to which is ironic given Michael Dell's comments of 1997. Dell would kill to have OS X on their PCs to differentiate them from the sea of PCs. Spin it any way you want but a resurgent Apple and an on the attack Google is the best thing to ever happen in the computer industry. Why? Because it forced MS to start competing on their own merits and exposed them for what they are. MS makes its money of of Exchange, Office and Server. I'd say OEM Windows install to but that is because the OEMs themselves rode the wave in the 90's as to the one true way of revenue generation (TM). Now as PC prices plummet, net books are de-jour they are left with ever diminishing returns. When they have to compete without their monopolies they fail. In fact the "best" thing they can claim is the X-Box which despite what fan boy denial would otherwise suggest is one of the biggest money pits ever. Apple on the other hand is their own captain and is charting their own course. HP and Dell cannot say the same... to their peril. Apple on the other hand continues to make cool products that people want to use and no amount of weasel words on your part will change that. Get over it,Paul was wrong, all of the "pundits" were wrong. Apple smashed its way through the quarter. And lastly "dying mammoth?" No but whether they realize or not, MS is already on the decline, in fact they are becoming IBM the 90's more so all the time.
EricoF3
on Jan 26, 2010
BladRnr said: "But you are missing the profits of a Mac vs. the profits of an iPhone or iPod. Apple makes probably 2-3 times the profits on a Mac than they do on an iPhone. You aren't considering that. Bottom line is they sold ~ 1.1 million MORE Macs than the same quarter last year. How much profit did that add to the bottom line?" Yes you are right on that..

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