AppleInsider jumps the shark, declares Zune HD 'failed'

While I wait for what I just know will be hugely positive reviews of the Zune HD from Walter Mossberg and David Pogue (after all, these guys treat Apple product launches like just-discovered new books of the Bible), I can at least point to some of the crazy silliness coming out of the Apple fan base. AppleInsider--which, by the way, I actually like quite a bit normally since they're not usually this partisan--has written an absolutely insane and uncalled-for anti-Zune HD article. I've gotten a lot of email about it, and while I'd like to just ignore it, I am afraid that people will assume it's all true. What they're presenting are five myths of the Zune HD. Actually, it's four non-myths and one completely made up issue, but whatever. Let's waste just a little bit of time on this stupidity. (And you have to think that if Apple had adopted any of the stuff they're complaining about, AppleInsider would have been tripping all over itself congratulating the company.)

Myth 1: OLED is a great display technology for mobile devices

Not a myth. The OLED display on the Zune HD blows away the screen on any iPod or iPhone, sorry. Looked at side by side, inside or out, there is no comparison. This is especially true if you view the screen off-center. The OLED screen looks good at all angles. With the iPod touch, you find yourself fidgeting with it to get the screen to look better. (You can't tilt the Zune HD away from you enough to make it look bad. With the iPod touch, it's only OK when perfectly on center, and even then it's not nearly as good as the Zune HD.)

And while these shots don't do the real-world differences proud, they're at least representative.

Put simple, OLED isn't just "great" display technology for mobile devices. It's the superior technology, period.

Myth 2: NVIDIA's Tegra processor leapfrogs existing mobile processors

Again, not a myth. Both devices utilize an ARM processor at the core, but the NVIDIA design builds off of that with supporting chipsets for storage and video that improve performance and battery life. It can drive HD displays up to 1280 x 1050, unlike the iPod touch. But the real proof is in the using. And unlike AppleInsider, I've used the new iPod touch and Zune HD side-by-side. Zune HD performance is excellent, sorry. The iPod touch is no slouch. But to call these two devices anything but competitive is disingenuous.

Myth 3: Zune HD is mobile HD

No one claimed Zune HD was "mobile HD." The Zune HD supports HD output at 720p and includes an HD radio receiver, and Microsoft is very clear about that. The iPod touch does neither, with a dock or otherwise. Neither does any other portable Apple device.

Myth 4: Zune HD delivers high definition radio

Not a myth. I was just using this feature a few minutes ago. It does indeed deliver HD radio. And as AppleInsider notes, "Analog radio isn't going away." Good thing Microsoft realizes this. Because the Zune HD includes a standard FM radio tuner too. Unlike the iPod touch. And like every other Zune before it.

Myth 5: Zune HD games and software will wow you

This is the one actual myth, but it's also one of AppleInsider's creation, as no one ever claimed that. What Microsoft is doing is providing a number of small applications and games to Zune HD customers, for free, as a benefit of buying into their platform. Over time, they can and will open up the so-called Zune apps store to outside developers. (Witness yesterday's release of the Zune HD-compatible developer tools.) But this is just the first step in what is essentially a new platform. And remember that the Zune is really about entertainment, pure and simple. The Zune HD delivers on its core functionality quite nicely. No one questions that Apple has created a tremendous Apps platform, exclusionary as it may be.

Despite the hype, the Zune HD appears to have failed before even hitting the market.

Sure. And despite the hype, AppleInsider has absolutely failed to give the Zune HD a fair chance. We get it, Apple doesn't make it, so it must suck. But we also get that if Apple had released this product, it would have gotten a hugely favorable review. From you. From the Wall Street Journal. And from the New York Times. But thanks for trying.

There are a number of other inaccuracies in this poorly researched blog post around "Microsoft's standard operating procedure" (actually, Apple's, as it turns out), and the supposedly poor quality of mobile IE on the Zune. (Surprise! It's shockingly good.) But what can you expect from someone who wrote a post about a product that a) competes with the company they love, and b) they've never even seen let alone used?

I'm calling BS on this one, sorry.

Discuss this Article 111

Waethorn
on Sep 16, 2009
"I do relize your point of view is coming from proprietary software where things are closed BUT Google’s Chrome Browser is in fact an OPEN SOURCE application." Let's just say that Google has a history of including proprietary closed-source modules with their own compiled versions of software that they make open source. Also, it changes nothing in the way of their terms of use, in that they have full access to any data that passes through their system. And who is Mozilla's premiere sponsor? Oh yes, it's Google, even though they are now writing "their own" web browser. The only thing open is Google users' body cavities. Guess what Google puts in there?
tayme
on Sep 16, 2009
@chuckb84 - "The other notable lacks: No camera, No GPS, No Bluetooth" I'm not sure...so can you tell us which non phone iPod Touch model includes all 3 of those things? --tayme
tayme
on Sep 16, 2009
@Waethorn - Truely classless and 7th gradish. Nice. --tayme
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 16, 2009
@Wea.. "HD video-out support via HDMI" Once you hand over another $89.99 (or should I say $90?) for the dock that is required.... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002JPITYS?tag=eragonsite-20&camp=14573&creativ... And another $8 for a HDMI cable... http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-2-Meter-Plated-Ferrite/dp/B0011TM19C/re... So for another $100 I can output my single BD ripped movie to a TV. Please do tell us how many 720p movies we can fit on a Zune HD 16 or 32gig. Please do. Where do I get them from?
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 16, 2009
"I'd thankfully drop the extra rows of pixels so that my 720p video scales properly on my device. Oh, but that's right - the iPod touch can't play 720p video...." Especially considering there are no "HD" games to play on the Zune. Sorry I would take the 48 extra rows of pixels to play games, read email, look at a photo, browse a web page. Brilliant thinking there Wae....
lketchum
on Sep 16, 2009
Ocean, while the company has not released sales goals, they have stated that pre-orders exceeded expectations by a significant amount. For those that are curious, we use the Zune HD and are developing for it in two contexts. There is a lot to be happy about and some that challenges us - we want to see all people have better tools (the tools). They will, but when? As for the device itself... it is really an amazing product. The UI is aggressively bold and candidly, I never thought Microsoft would go for it. I am glad they did and it an "artsy" kind of way, it is just dang cool. It's very different. If there is a word that I would use to characterize the device it would have to be "Smooth" - it's just smooth and I really like that. That is our goal for all things - our hardware and certainly our apps. It is never jarring and I will admit, I have fat, old and very worn hands. The whole "touch" thing was hard for me at first and for the first two hours with the device, I was not sure I'd be able to get the hang of it. Shoot... my fingertips are so battered after so many years that "touch" (ya, you gotta be kidding, right?) Any older guy knows what I mean - we get dinged and cut all the time and the only news of it we have is when someone says: "Hey, you're bleeding...." Ok, so the touch deal was just weird and where the iPhone/Touch had been impossible for me.... after about two hours with the Zune HD, I had it nailed (yes, I had tried a lot harder with the touch and for a lot longer). After a day, my fingers had the Zune HD down and on day two with the device, it was all second nature. See.. the UI zooms and the targets are larger and they make sense. Performance... is simply stunning. It is very fluid and there is no lag. Now.. I really do not like web browsing on a small device, but the mobile browser on the Zune HD is changing that and I think that bit has surprised me most. It's actually really good - not perfect, but really, really good. Having built systems by hand for over forty years now, I can tell you that this thing was designed by people who loved it. You have to, you see. So regardless of where it is, or will be, I have to respect the team that made this thing. You can see and feel it all over the device. They loved it and wanted others to do the same. That translates into what one experiences when using it as that "smooth" feel I spoke about. In all candor, I've never been, nor will I ever be as good as those that made this thing. I can make servers and workstations that eat anyone's lunch, but this thing is in a class all by itself. It is built so very well. Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts on this.
SPiotr
on Sep 16, 2009
@shark "Myth 6: Reviewers will treat the device fairly despite it lacking an Apple logo. Expect most reviewers to focus on the negative aspects of the device, i.e., the app store, iTunes compatibility, accessories, etc" Let's be honest Shark. That's what happens on the internet. Pundits just love a face-off! Every review... even Paul's is going to compare the HD to the Touch. Here's a nice example of, not only talking about negative aspects... but actually fabricating a new one. "If there's another complaint to be made about the nano, it's that it is incompatible with Apple's wonderful Apps Store." Guess who wrote that. He surprisingly failed to mention that the Nano is terrible at taking stones out of horses' hooves. You want Apple bias? Read Applensider. You want anti-Apple bias? Thurrott.
yoshipod
on Sep 16, 2009
Something is not right about the comments of widescreen movies not scaling correctly on the ipod touch. If you compress a movie to 480x272 for use on the iPod it will play back at that resolution It does not matter that the screen is 480x320. Nothing is getting warped, it is just black pixels filling up the rest of the screen. This in no way effects the playback of the video. If you don't like black bars, that is fine. Its a personal choice. But there will be even BIGGER black bars on the Zune HD when playing back standard definition 4x3 content. Which is still the majority of most video. So if you want to watch all your old South Park, Seinfeld, Simpsons, A-Team, or whatever, on the Zune HD, you will have to deal with giant black bars as the Zune must scale back that 640x480 video to 362.66 x 272. Or something messed up like that. Maybe it will put black bars all around the video and play it back at 320x240. Who knows. I have not heard or seen anything about that.
Lindy
on Sep 16, 2009
Dam this is good stuff!!!! My prediction. Zune sales go from 1.1% to maybe 3%. Over all its a failure in the business world. The release of the Apple Tablet erases the Zune HD from mainstream consumers memory. Pauly that second photo is a joke brother. Let see here is a close up, sheeety picture of my arssse, that cuts out the glaring white spots on the Zune. Here is a sheeety picture of my arsssse zoomed way out, showing the glaring white spots, behind the screen lock, at a slight angle to show the weakness of the iTouch LCD, on the iTouch, which looks better?? My 5 year old could see what you are trying to do there Pauly. David and Walt own you, every day of the week.
chuckb84
on Sep 16, 2009
First, the Zune needs to offer something that the competition doesn't have if it is to succeed. Remember, this thing is a distant 4th or 5th with 1.1% marketshare. Second, whatever arbitrary distinctions Paul wants to make, such as refusing to list the 8gig iPod Touch in his comparison table, the low end Touch should be on the list, and so should the iPhone. Those markets are merging and the days of the standalone mp3/video gadget are numbered, except in the low end. The Zune HD, it seems to me, is an attempt to stake out a spot in the high end, so they should act like it. After all these comments, I do agree that we should just sit back and see what the market reaction is. I don't think it will set the industry "Afire" as Paul says Windows 7 will(!) but the reaction will certainly be better than it was to all the other Zune devices that were rendered extinct by the "the most addled yet" iPod lineup. My prediction is that Apple will lose a whole more Touch sales to the iPhone than to the Zune HD.
EricoF3
on Sep 16, 2009
We can tell anything... but the Zune HD is only available in USA... WHY?? How they can figure talk some land over ITouch if they don't release the Zune HD widly?
joiseystud
on Sep 16, 2009
@Gorath - Pretty sure Paul knows exactly what "Jump the shark" means. He means that the site he once lent credence to has now jumped the shark. "Jumping the shark" refers to the single event that led to the demise of the site ( at least in Paul's opinion). It is based on a Happy Days episode where Fonzi jumped over a shark tank on his motorcycle. The belief is that Happy Days went down hill from there and that Shark tank episode was the turning point.
gavers
on Sep 16, 2009
This entire comment thread is riddled with disinformation, as if each "side" wants to prove itself right and they feel the only way to do that is lie about the other device. Like this guy: @rr0de74: "And another $8 for a HDMI cable..." well no, if you read the description for the dock, or simply looked at the picture you would have seen "plug the included HDMI cable to your HDTV." No separate purchase is required. And further, $90 for this is less than what Apple charges for the same set of equipment (a dock, remote, HD and SD cables). Apple Universal Dock $49 (Dock and remote, no cables) Apple Component AV Cable $49 (what it says + charger, and you have to buy Apple's cable because of their chip. Also Apple doesn't offer HDMI or any digital out) Apple Composite AV Cable $49 (+charger. at least you can buy a third-party version of this) So $89.99 for Zune Vs. $147 for iPod (and you don't even get HDMI, but you'll get two chargers!) Seriously, people, try not lying. It's fun!
Balthazar9
on Sep 16, 2009
Waethorn, Now you’re bombastic for no reason. As if there is any difference from your ISP or Alexa tracking code built into Windows or aggressive use of CLSID in all windows ver. The point you missed _ you can remove all phone-home crap from chrome. Ergo, opensource.
de Silentio
on Sep 16, 2009
"Erico, been drinking today?" I didn't think Homer ever stopped drinking.
Barry F Larry
on Sep 16, 2009
Of all of the outright lies I've read in the comments section of this blog, this is the worst: "Fonzi jumped over a shark tank on his motorcycle". The Fonze jumped over that shark on water skis. I mean COME ON!!!
joiseystud
on Sep 16, 2009
I stand corrected Barry. I got the water skis mixed up with another stunt episode where he jumped over the 14 garbage cans on his bike in season 3. Man... if that episode was years later we would be saying "Jumped the can"
Barry F Larry
on Sep 16, 2009
"Jumped the can": I like it better.
gadfly10
on Sep 16, 2009
Thurrott should not get in the ring with this guy. He decomposes claims with some pretty solid research. As a matter of fact he tore apart Paul's journalism a short while back. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/592E3270-32C8-4852-975C-...
mikeybthepilot
on Sep 16, 2009
Great article Paul. I'm just waiting to get my hands on one since they haven't been released yet in Canada. Any idea when that will happen btw? Also, is there any reason anyone can think of that the Zune HD wouldn't work properly in Canada if I just hopped south of the border to pick one up? We don't have Zune marketplace here yet either but I've got alternative (and legal) means of getting music without having to use iTunes or Zune. Will I have any other trouble? Any thoughts?
BioTurboNick
on Sep 16, 2009
Can I just clear up this "It's not really HD ZOMG!!!" FUD? A 32" 1080p HDTV has 68 pixels per inch of screen and is meant to be viewed from about 6-8 feet away. At 720p (minimum HD), this would be 46 pixels per inch of screen. The Zune HD has 167 pixels per inch of screen and is meant to be viewed from about 1-2 feet away. That's about 4 times closer with almost 4 times the pixel density (for 720p) and 2.5 times the pixel density (for 1080p). You would not be able to tell the difference between a 720p video, if you could fit 1280x720 pixels on such a small screen, and a downscaled video on the Zune HD's screen.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 16, 2009
@gravers exactly how did I lie? Yes I did miss the included cable. So take off the $8, it only cost $90 extra to play HD movies. I never said anything about the iTouch playing HD movies did I? No I did not. Its not advertised as a feature. My point is the Zune HD feature of HD out is a joke. Its a bullet point for a sales add or ppt in a meeting. I bet less than 1% of Zune HD users use it ever or use it more than a few times. Why? Because where are you going to get these HD movies? Zune store? So you go to the Zune store and you "rent" a HD movie for 24hours? How many can you fit on a Zune HD 16gig? If from the Zune store I am guessing what 2-3. If ripped at a decent bit rate from a BD maybe 1 or Zero unless you have the Zune 32gig. How long does it take to sync that movie? Over USB it would take 30-40 min for a 20gig BD rip? Over the wireless G sync...for get about it. Then you have to buy that dock. Thats a lot of hurtles for little gain. I would bet if you have a HD TV you already have a better way of getting HD content on it, say your cable box, or a PS3, or a Xbox, or a stand alone BD player(they are cheap now $150 at Walmart) or a PC with a BD. I think the Zune HD would be my last choice, based on its limitations and cost to get there.
lketchum
on Sep 16, 2009
@rr0de74@live.com You're so missing the "practical" applications for the Zune HD and 720P HD media with the dock. Couple refreshers first: The Zune HD, like the Zunes before it, can sync over one's wireless network HD movies and TV rented and purchased through the Zune Marketplace can be accessed across networks and the Zune HD - from the massive storage potential available to PC's. Now... I use one Zune HD as an HD media extender (not to be confused with an MCX). I have it hooked up in a room that does not have an MCX, or an Xbox. When I want to watch a TV program, or a movie in that room, I access our collection via the Zune HD, which syncs wirelessly. In addition to all the other media - like HD Radio, which really is quite good, we have a very low cost and easy media solution that has access to a very fat collection - most especially since the host PC supports DVR-MS and monitoring the folders where recorded TV is located from inside the Zune SW provides access to all that media as well. It works really well, easily and the image on a 37" LG HDTV is quite good. Not quite 1080P, but candidly, on a 37" screen I cannot tell any difference between it and our other, larger 1080P panels. Any case... just one use that replicates what we used to do for customers with the 120 - only now we can do it in HD!
robertsjoe
on Sep 16, 2009
It's the pot calling the kettle black when you say that some other blog has jumped the shark.
robertsjoe
on Sep 16, 2009
This is a surprise. A post saying that all is great with a Microsoft product, coming from a Microsoft shill.
lotsamystuff
on Sep 16, 2009
Well, so much for the "shockingly good" browser on the Zune: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10354240-27.html
gavers
on Sep 16, 2009
@rr0de74: It certainly sounded like you were knocking the price of the accessory when you said "So for another $100 I can output my single BD ripped movie to a TV." But now that you know Apple's inferior cables cost more, your attack is on the number of HD movies the Zune can hold. I don't have an answer to where you're going to get them from, aside from the source you already mentioned, Zune marketplace. But I will tell you that a 2-hour 720p video is about 4.5GB and they look great. Apart from all the misinformation and flat out lies bandied about here, the simple fact is that if the Zune HD takes market share from Apple then it is a success.
Logjamming
on Sep 16, 2009
http://gizmodo.com/5360126/zune-hd-review-the-pmp-evolved?skyline=true&s=x The big question: Can the Zune HD compete with the iPod Touch? I get the sense that Microsoft isn't trying to, exactly. The Zune HD's screen is extremely reflective, making it difficult to read in sunlight, while the iPod Touch's LCD was quite easy to read in the same conditions. Part of this difference is due to technology and part of this is due to UI. The iPod touch uses black text on white for music and video browsing, while the Zune HD is reversed. The Zune HD's black background acts as a mirror, making it difficult to see anything but your own annoyed face. If you've got a load of torrented HD video in MKV like I do, you're a bit screwed—I tried several converters (iSquint, Cucusoft, Handbrake) and never managed to transcode MKV to a decent-quality Zune-compatible file. The Zune HD's UI is everything but an example of Apple minimalism, constantly teetering between digital eye candy and complete ocular over-stimulation. s the same grab-and-flick method of touchscreen navigation as the iPod Touch and Sony X-Series, though like the X-Series it doesn't feel quite as fluid or organic as the iPod Touch. Trying to scroll really quickly through a long list of artists feels like it takes longer than it should But this one tops it! The Now Playing screen cleverly finds a photo of the artist and uses that as the wallpaper, and I love the screensaver that slowly scrolls the artist, track name, album name, length and album art. Microsoft nails the advanced design work—what about the obvious? How do I pause, navigate forward and backward, and adjust volume? It's not as easy as it should be. So, now you've got a device that has a bright screen (but only if you stay indoors) and you're stuck with music (no apps!) you can't navigate through. FAILURE, FAILURE, FAILURE!
Barry F Larry
on Sep 16, 2009
I hate how black stuff is always so reflective. I was standing in a parking lot wondering why people on the internet don't use the word "fail" more often, and I got asphalt blindness.
Mark KB
on Sep 16, 2009
Nice selective quoting, logjamming. Here's Gizmodo's conclusion, for reference: Best of Breed The Zune HD is the best touchscreen PMP on the market. It's got the most unique vision, the most impressive hardware and the most stylish software. But I'm not sure that's enough. PMPs like the Zune HD and Sony X-Series try to advance the genre with new and impressive media playback features, but the success of the iPod Touch shows that that media playback alone isn't necessarily enough anymore. People seem to want pocketable computers, either in smartphone or near-smartphone form, or simpler, smaller devices like the iPod Nano and SanDisk's Sansa line. So it's not going to steal sales from the iPod Touch, but it should make some Samsung and Sony executives pretty jealous. I'm left wishing Microsoft could get its Zune team to work with (read: boss around) the Windows Mobile team to put together a media phone. The Zune HD is a great PMP, but it could have been a jaw-dropping, unbelievable phone.
robertsjoe
on Sep 17, 2009
Desperation from Microsoft. They know the Zune HD is dead. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/16/microsoft_sells_restrictiv...
robertsjoe
on Sep 17, 2009
This kind of non-thinking, having no idea about the future until Apple tells it to the world (especially Microsoft), is what makes Microsoft so lame. The Zune HD is dead "Asked about the features Apple was adding to its iPods, including video recording, Seitz replied, "The more things like that that make their way into these devices that aren't about great music and video playback, the more it's distracting or sacrificing that original purpose of the device. Apps are jamming in, cameras -- that's work that's not being done on the music front.""
robertsjoe
on Sep 17, 2009
The Zune HD debacle keeps getting worse for Microsoft. A horrible browser (almost a decade old) and a shitty keyboard http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10354240-27.html The Zune HD is dead already.
robertsjoe
on Sep 17, 2009
shark47
on Sep 17, 2009
@lotsa: "Well, so much for the "shockingly good" browser on the Zune:" @robertsjoe: "The Zune HD debacle keeps getting worse for Microsoft. A horrible browser (almost a decade old) and a shitty keyboard" So, for one guy that said the browser sucked, I have one that says it's great: http://gizmodo.com/5360126/zune-hd-review-the-pmp-evolved?skyline=true&s=x "...Zune HD's internet browser is awesome." Looks like robertsjoe and lotsa agree onb one more thing.
chuckb84
on Sep 17, 2009
@BladRnr "No matter how good it might be, it will still sell poorly. I predict this will be the last Zune we ever see." Unless it grows up into a phone. Given the mess that is Microsoft's mobile strategy, that will take some time. @Mark KB "People seem to want pocketable computers, either in smartphone or near-smartphone form, or simpler, smaller devices like the iPod Nano and SanDisk's Sansa line. So it's not going to steal sales from the iPod Touch, but it should make some Samsung and Sony executives pretty jealous." That's right. Apple will lose more iPod Touch sales to their own iPhone than to the Zune HD. Relative to the iPod/iPhone lineup, Zune HD sales will be-----what was that classic phrase? Ah, yes, a "rounding error".
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 17, 2009
Wow, the harmony the Apple nuts are achieving with their whistling past the graveyard is really impressive. Anybody else note that despite all these desperate posts, Paul's points about the bogus artlcle weren't refuted? Guess they learned the trick of "If you don't have the facts on your side, shout loudly and often"
shark47
on Sep 17, 2009
"Relative to the iPod/iPhone lineup, Zune HD sales will be-----what was that classic phrase? Ah, yes, a "rounding error"." That's funny coming from a Mac fan. Here are some products with a single digit market share that are considered to be successes: 1. OS X 2. Safari 3. Chrome 4. Google Apps Vista, with a double digit market share is considered to be a failure. Zune, with a single digit market share is also considered to be a failure. Microsoft's search, with a market share that's greater than OS X's or Chrome's is considered to be a failure as well. See a pattern emerging?
techman.merb
on Sep 17, 2009
I can't help but laugh at all the posts relating to playing games or watching movies on these devices. Personally I have problems playing games on anything smaller than my 24" PC display or watching movies on anything smaller than a 42" flat panel display these days! Who in their right mind over the age of 15 would spend two hours watching a movie on one of these things? Sure it's great comparing all the things that these things can do but who actually uses them? I have a BluRay for movies, a PC and an xBox for games and a cell phone for making, yes amazing as it may sound, telephone calls! I also have a digital SLR for taking photos as well as a smaller pocket camera for those times you just wish you had a camera with you. For music I have my sound system at home, my PC with 7.0 surround, and a great system in my car. I own nothing that requires me to isolate myself from the world around me by sticking buds of any kind in my ears. Sometimes you just have to connect with reality, know what I'm saying?
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 17, 2009
Wow. What is going on in this thread. I don't have a Zune HD, but I had time to fool around with one for a few minutes. It definately looks better than the iPod touch screen-wise. And not having to use iTunes is probably the biggest plus of all for Windows users at least. Who cares about Appleinsider? I thought that site was like the Onion where they just make up and parody things. Apparently people take it seriously?
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 17, 2009
Amen techman.merb!
panache1023
on Sep 17, 2009
techman.merb, I have used the iPod Touch for video....but it's rare. I used it twice on plane rides. It worked extremely well, regardless of what Waethorn keeps ranting on about "wasted pixels". Except in those rare instances...I agree with you.
chuckb84
on Sep 17, 2009
"Guess they learned the trick of "If you don't have the facts on your side, shout loudly and often"" Let me whisper a fact softly: Zune 1.1% marketshare.
yoshipod
on Sep 17, 2009
Lets refute Paul's claims as Mike would like us to do. 1) The OLED screen is ALWAYS better than the LCD screen. OLED certainly seems to be the better screen quality in many circumstances but not all. That is the point the original article was making. When not in direct light, OLED outshines (pun intended) LCD. However, this is not the case when out in sunlight. Even the photos Paul uses show some issues. Look at the first picture. See the reflection in the upper left corner of the Zune HD. It carries right into the picture. Also, the same type of line runs all the way down the right side as well. Now look at the iPod Touch. There is clearly a reflection that start on the upper right side. Looks like a black circle with a protrusion heading downward. Notice that reflect is much harder to see as soon as it hits the screen. 2) Chip. Paul uses anecdotal evidence only. No benchmarks. No tests. Just the fact that the Zune performance is "excellent". This point has been disputed on Ars Technica where is shows the load times to be extremely long. Maybe not a chip issue, but it shows that anecdotal evidence is not very reliable. Javascript benchmarking on the Zune is horrible compared to the iPod touch as well. Once again, this is likely a software issue, not a hardware, but if the Zune HD chip is so far advanced, shouldn't that make up for some of that poor coding? 3) Total weak argument here. Zune HD is a PORTABLE MUSIC PLAYER. The assumption is that when you put the letters HD after it, it plays HD. For all your bitching about how 10.6 is not 64 bit because in some cases the system boots up with a 32 bit Kernel, to claim that the Zune HD plays HD video is also very hypocritical. It plays HD video in a VERY limited set of circumstances that require additional hardware (An HD screen and a dock) . If you are going to make the claim that 10.6 is not truly 64 bit, then you can not claim that the Zune HD plays High Definition Video. 4) Most people hear the letters HD and assume it means High Definition. While its true that with radio it means something else, people are going to expect High Definition. All this being said, I think the Zune HD looks like a perfectly good choice for a PMP. I have no issues with it as a products, just the silly arguments about why its so much better than the iPod touch.
Ocean
on Sep 17, 2009
So much for bias. Pogue: a gorgeous multitouch screen dominates the front. Its handsome, beveled metal case weighs next to nothing, yet still feels expensive and solid in the hand. Inhatko: It’s a wonderful player that triumphantly justifies its existence in a world dominated by iPods.
Ocean
on Sep 17, 2009
Pogue: If this thing came out in a parallel universe where the iPod didn’t exist, it would be hailed as a god. Inhatko: The Zune HD is all about Patience Rewarded. We’ve all read about the guy who (unfathomably) loved his first-generation Zune enough to get a tattoo of the Zune logo.To this man I say: you can now wear short sleeves with pride.
shark47
on Sep 17, 2009
@Ocean, the reviews are pretty fair and bring up the same points Paul does in his review. I guess they feel that Zune doesn't pose much of a threat to the iPod ecosystem at this point and that allows them to be more honest with their review.
Waethorn
on Sep 17, 2009
"Please do tell us how many 720p movies we can fit on a Zune HD 16 or 32gig." On a 32GB, at least 2 at a very high bitrate, but at least double that if you know what you're doing. How does that work out? Simple. My PVR has a 250GB hard drive in it. It can store ~30 hours of 1080i content, but that's broadcast-quality and it's MPEG-2 format, so it has an extremely high bit-rate for the quality (guessing around 18Mbps). Next, because 720p video takes much less storage space over 1080i (less pixels to deal with regardless of whether or not it's interlaced), we can automatically shave around 40% of that bitrate off (# of pixels in 720p video is ~40% of 1080i/p, which directly translates into an acceptible cut in bitrate - that's an acceptable way of calculating out bitrate conversions too BTW). Of course, we're still left with MPEG-2 video. MPEG-4 Level 10, aka AVC/H.264 or Windows Media Video Advanced Profile, aka VC-1 can do HD quality video at 720p at about ~6Mbps. I've had a chance to play around with Expression Encoder 3 lately, and that's exactly the format that they recommend for the Zune HD. It also supports WMA Professional 5.1 output which outputs as PCM via the HDMI connection on the dock. AAC audio is limited to stereo. "Where do I get them from?" AnyDVD and CloneDVDmobile does it if you already have content. Expression Encoder 3 supports the Zune HD (previous versions will too but they don't have a custom template for Zune HD). There will likely be MANY other video encoding programs that support it as well. You can also buy them online on the Zune Video Marketplace when it becomes available.
yoshipod
on Sep 17, 2009
Paul writes..."Put simple, OLED isn't just "great" display technology for mobile devices. It's the superior technology, period." Andy Ihnatko writes... "But a media player such as the Zune or the iPod Touch needs to handle a wide range of imagery. If the Zune is superior in displaying graphics and album art, it’s not as strong when it comes to viewing video. Skin tones appear to be a little oversaturated. And though both displays aren’t at their best when outdoors, the iPod’s screen is brighter and easier to view in sunlight. The photo is intentionally overexposed; otherwise, it’d be difficult to make out the Zune HD display at all." http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/1775373,ihnatko-zune-hd-micro... Therefore Myth #1 stands. While OLED is better in many cases, but not all. It can't be the "superior technology, period." Its clearly inferior in many important cases. This does not mean its a bad choice, or that its worse. Its just not better.
Waethorn
on Sep 17, 2009
" is there any reason anyone can think of that the Zune HD wouldn't work properly in Canada if I just hopped south of the border to pick one up? We don't have Zune marketplace here yet either but I've got alternative (and legal) means of getting music without having to use iTunes or Zune. Will I have any other trouble? Any thoughts?" The only thing I can think of is that they might possibly restrict device activations to the US, but they haven't before, so I'm guessing they wouldn't start now. What online services do you use to get music from?

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