Common sense from the EU? We're getting there

Shouldn't the read, Common sense from the Microsoft? We're getting there?

*golf clap*

Leopard isn't a browser and there are about a dozen different browsers built for Leopard. I think you mean Safari and I am not a fan, but I think it would be rather harder to crack today. And the process took him about 3 weeks to do, not 2 minutes and he was only able to do it by manipulating the keyboard on the site he had infected. A bit like driving your car into a brick wall. It proves you shouldn't do that!

@subzerohitman721 How bout "Enough of the Microsoft bashing, already?", you call that Microsoft bashing? How about Microsoft learnt from the last round they went with the EU that you can't bribe, er..I mean lobby your way out of the EU court system, and have come to their senses and have stopped wasting billions trying, and before Windows 7 hits the market, it mite, and I say mite, just help them out if they do this stuff now, instead of later, hence; shouldn't that read, Common sense from Microsoft, We're getting there? But I guess with the name "notawindowsuser" I must be bashing Microsoft, just the way you bash Apple, even though Apple has nothing to do with this EU case and the removal of IE from Windows 7.

"How about Microsoft learnt from the last round they went with the EU that you can't bribe, er..I mean lobby your way out of the EU court system" You can't lobby your way out of the EU court system, but you can damn sure lobby your way in, which is what Google did.

@waethorn: "WTF does this whole African theme have to do with Apple computers?" African? Leopards are found in other continents around the world. So are the other big cat names used for previous releases of OS X. Get a clue. Or at least, get an atlas.

Actually Robertsjoe, I had nothing to do with it. So feel free to try to shut me up, little girl. I will actually pay for your trip if you would like to try. Just tell me were to send the pieces when I'm done, asshole.

@avro, Yeah, I meant Safari. However, by compromising Safari, you also compromise Leopard. I was thinking one and typed the other. @notawindowsuser, I wasn't bashing Apple. I use Apple products and services on a daily basis. However, the original anti-trust case in the United States had Apple involved. The EU part of the probe was expanded based upon streaming technologies complaint from Sun Microsystems part of which was Apple code in Windows. So Apple did have a part to play in both antitrust cases. I just think its hilarious that we're blaming Microsoft for Opera, Google, Netscape, and Apple not developing the browser. If they decided not to challenge MIcrosoft and not push foward with their own development, how is that Microsoft's fault? Don't they have their own R&D? Don't they have their own projects to improve web browsing? If they decided to stall or stop development of the web browser, that's not Microsoft's fault. Opera was a terrible browser. It still is. Security experts are still panning Safari.(Got it right this time. LOL) None the less, you can't blame Microsoft for Corporations not working hard enough to challenge Microsoft. Thats like blaming your neighbor for your house falling apart, because you were too lazy to fix, rebuild, or maintain the house. Its your house, you fix it. Likewise, if Mozilla's broswer, Apple's browser, Opera's broswer isn't good enough, they aught to fix or develop it. Now if you want to talk about API's, then you might have something. However, there was a period between 1998-2004 where nobody did anything with browser development. At least nothing major. I just believe that this anti-trust case will come back to haunt Google and Mozilla. If Google creates an OS or adapts one, then turns around and bundles Chrome, the EU will come after them eventually. Then Mozilla will be targeted if any Linux Distro gains significant marketshare. How are you going to get on the web initially, if you don't have a web browser. I think pulling browsers out of the OS is really @$$-backwards. I also don't want 3 or 4 different browsers in my OS, taking up hard disk space. I just need one to download another one. Then I can delete the existing one.

"Microsoft did this off their own bat" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah gut busting, tears down my face laughter. Yeah I guess they did. After taking it in the you know what for years, to the tune of 100 million??? Frak I lost count, they have changed their ways NOT because it was the right thing to do, but because they don't like losing large sums of money for their strong arm, monopolistic tactics AND they want to make 7 (Vista 2) as lean as possible because its perceived as a FAT PIG of an OS. @subzero how the heck did you turn this into a security, Safari will get hacked the fastest IF someone goes to the right site, p2own 2009 contest??? This is about MS making their next OS modular and whether they did it because it was the right thing to do, or because they are tired of losing money. Miller (who took down the Mac Air) has admitted it took him 3 weeks of preparation to take that that Mac "in 2 min" or in 24 hours and 2min, after they relaxed the rules on the second day, and after directing the judges to a website that was loaded with his exploit, that took him 3 weeks to craft. Ahh details.

@weathorn...WTF were those Bill and Jerry adds???? I think I remember you, Mikey G and others defending them and saying they were pulled as part of some master plan and they they would be back. All I hear about that now is crickets chirping. Oh and the sound of money being spent by Jerry, probably some low laughter on his part as well as he is simply amazed he was paid 10mill for that junk. @DRWAM, why you even bother with people like robertsjoe is beyond me. You need to be carefule with what you say online these days with morons like him using your written words against you.

@drwam: my apologies to you. my mistake in quoting the wrong person. sorry.

Hey fellows Mac and Windows fans...I think we need to think about EU in a little different way. I have been in the UK for only 8 years but we must all know the issues the EU has within EU. So to me, its like when a guest (Microsoft) comes to my house (EU), I tell them, hey you can't wear shoes (yeah may be bad example) in my house because it is OUR POLICY and keep banging about how it is OUR POLICY. But the visitor (MS, and rest of the world) can see that my kids don't follow my orders and my wife is cheating on me then I really shouldn't have right to create that kind of policies. Look at how successful EU has been in enforcing other policies. Those people who don't like MS will be so easy to jump in to the bandwagon like Google as "enemy of my enemy is my friend". I really laugh at EU and only if any company from EU had as much experience in the industry as MS does in making software, I can understand they are making a point about this. But come on....this is ridiculous. I know it is all about money, but let's see Microsoft actually deciding to say OK, we will not stop bundling IE in Windows, we won't sell Windows in EU. Now has anyone even comtemplated if that was to happen? How businesses would loose money in migrating to other OSes. Surely people won't suddenly start buying Apple computers as people can barely afford Windows PCs. EU has not thought this through technically. Imagine the backlash from the Governments of the EU nations :) But hey, its all about money so MS WILL WANT to sell it's software in EU and so it will do whatever to comply. But I really would want to see MS turn their back to EU once...even just for fun..even just to STFU all those against this bundling thing. Guys, if your browsers are better (yeah work on that, spend money on that), people will download your browsers whether they have IE builtin or not. Even if MS pays you to use IE, you will still download the other browser. How do you think Firefox gained in popularity? So stop worrying about bundling. MS is not forcing anyone to use just IE. You CAN DOWNLOAD firefox and opera if you want. Stop being kids for God's sake!!! Grow up. -Dhaval

MS should just ignore the EC and crank up the prices in the Europe to offset whatever fines the EC dream up next. The EC would be too stupid to realize their own people are indirectly paying the fines. Let's call it the European Tax, and MS should up the price of their products since the cost of doing business over there would be higher. Then the Europeans could go running to the EC crying about the higher prices they have to pay over there. Problem solved.

Geez. Let's look again at the two sentences here that are not just a quotation from someone else, "It looks like Microsoft's decision to allow end users to remove IE 8 (and other features) from Windows 7 is having a positive effect in Europe. No, nothing official from the EU" And, let's see what this really means: 1. The EU has really done or said nothing at all. 2. It is somehow newsworthy that Microsoft has decided to LET you remove an app! Please, it's an app. They're going to ALLOW you to remove it? And, this is startling and newsworthy, calls for a reaction from the EU, etc. Microsoft is now all enlightened and friendly? The fact that this is considered worth reporting is the amazing fact, not deletion of an application from an operating system. And, seriously, why couldn't you always do this? I can drag Safari to the trash, and it's gone. Period. I can do that with any browser. So, this is either bad design (failure to separate a webkit like framework from an application), or evidence the Microsoft did it on purpose to tie everyone to IE. The second version would show that the EU and the US DOJ were right all along. To put it in even simpler terms, Microsoft has either been incompetent or evil. The old saw is to "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity", but I don't think the MS coders are that bad, so it was malice.

My apologies to all, including robertsjoe. I do have something going on. For some reason, I have had a lot of pain just about everywhere for the past 6 weeks. Often it's really bad, so I've been eating Advil like candy. I'm wondering if it's Lyme's disease. So when it gets to my brain, I'll be posting even more bizzare crap. But it still think Google sucks well before all of this :) Peace, Doc PS No offense to the people of Europe. BTW, that's where my entire family is from, but I was born in the USA.

"I've been eating Advil like candy" Advil: The M&M's of painkiller medication. ;) (I prefer the candy-coated ones too!)

@Waethorn Interesting piece of opinion. You might want to take a look at After the Software Wars by Keith Curtis. It is now a free download in .pdf format http://www.lulu.com/content/4964815

@DRWAM - I hope you get feeling better!!! For what its worth, robertsjoe is irritating to a healthy person.... --tayme

Very good point Wae. We pay to protect our privacy by using firewalss, anti-spyware and antivirus apps, then sign it all away those apps and add-ons. It's kind of stupid. Even when the protective apps are free these days, we still spend the time to update them and run them, only to give the likes of Google, the keys to the palace. Thanks Tayme, I'm hoping that the Creatine is doing it, so before I go to a doctor other than myself. I'm gonna stop taking it. BTW, Creatine is legal.

"Companies selling support will ensure that it is good and will get better." Support requires knowledge. Knowledge is just another form of intellectual property. Tell me this: would you tell someone how to fix something for free, or charge them and keep the information to yourself?

"I wouldn't say Open Office is as good as Microsoft Office but gosh it is pretty impressive" It is pretty impressive, if one is into retro software. I think they should start selling it for a few bucks at Urban Outfitter stores.