Dvorak is Right, and Microsoft is Wrong

Industry pundit John Dvorak asks What happened to Microsoft? in a new commentary for MarketWatch. I have to sort of wonder if the question is rhetorical, because Microsoft is doing what they're doing on purpose, to their detriment. The problem for Microsoft, of course, is that it's strategy is flawed. This time at least, Dvorak is right. And Microsoft is wrong.

Microsoft earnings look to be back on track, but its once powerful public relations machine seems to have derailed. We hear very little from its outside agencies and almost nothing from the inside PR department. Where are the exciting news stories about what the company is doing?

The next generation cash cow would be Windows 8 and by now, if Microsoft was doing its job, we'd be given a pack of propaganda about what the new operating system would do, when it would be released and how much better it will be than anything ever released to computers users, ever.

So far, nothing.

The company has essentially turned over the buzz machine to Apple, a company that gets non-stop coverage for what amounts to a giant iPod Touch. [Exactly. --Paul]

The real cash cows for Microsoft are Windows and Office and for at least 15 years every pundit and prognosticator has been claiming that these two items were dead. Yet they keep selling like hotcakes.

But as things stand now, I have no idea what this company is doing or what they are up to. All anyone talks about is Apple, HP, Dell, and Google.

Microsoft is simply not in the conversation anymore. That can't be good for the company or for investors.

Exactly right. But the problem here is easily explained. In fact, I've explained it before. Windows 7, as a slice in time, was so successful for Microsoft that the company is now copying the Windows 7 to-market strategy across the board. That is, they're not communicating anything about a product until the feature set is written in stone. So we hear nothing about things like Windows Live, Windows Phone, Kin, whatever, until it's very close to release, too close for the company to have to scale back its plans and be embarrassed by feature cuts, as it was repeatedly with Windows Vista.

But that's the problem. Windows 7 was very much a particular product at a particular time. Windows 7 was so successful because Vista was perceived so poorly. And the Windows 7 strategy worked simply because the previous, Vista-era strategy of early and often disclosures didn't work at all. In that one case.

This doesn't mean that the Windows 7 strategy is the right strategy for every product, or even every Windows version. In fact, unless the previous version of those Microsoft products were as badly executed as Vista, one might make the argument that the Windows 7 strategy doesn't make any sense at all. I have said just this, and repeatedly.

So this cone of silence stuff is cute. And yes, Microsoft will make public statements about how its enterprise customers expect predictability. Whatever. They're not your biggest customer base anymore, Microsoft, and they're not exactly upgrading at a record pace anyway, so why are you bending over for those guys? Consumers, however, are. How about giving them some sizzle with that steak?

I know that, internally at Microsoft, many people do not agree with the direction the company is going. And all you have to do is read the tech press and, heck, the mainstream press, to see who's getting all the press these days.

It ain't you, Microsoft. And that is indeed bad news.

And if you're looking to copy Apple's success--and you are--then at least do it right. It's not about the products at all. What Apple does right is marketing. It's form over function, plain and simple. How else could the world be so excited over an unnecessary over-sized iPod touch? Because it's from Apple, that's how. And the press markets it for them, and makes people believe that this is somehow a big deal. It's a self-replicating back-patting, buddy system, plain and simple.

And you're not part of the circle, Microsoft. How else can you explain the ginormous Windows 7 sales that get no attention, and certainly no love from Wall Street? You've sold over 100 million licenses of this thing in record time and all anyone can talk about are lost iPhones and the iPad. I mean, give me a break.

Discuss this Article 58

resplendent
on Apr 26, 2010

I agree with your overall point that MS needs to be more open, but I hope to heaven that it doesn't aim for the permeating level of obnoxiousness Apple has managed to achieve. Just imagine if they were both like that...

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

No that I have some breakfast in hand, and have had a chance to read Dvorak's article (are we really discussing a Dvorak article?) there is something here:

"All anyone talks about is Apple, HP, Dell Inc. and Google Inc."

Why are we talking just about Apple, and not HP's Slate, Dells new phones and tablets, and the very unnecessary Google Chrome OS?

RobertC
on Apr 26, 2010

I accept the point that Microsoft is no longer in the conversation, but to lambast the company because they haven't made a big enough deal over Windows 7 sales and by extension hampered their success on Wall Street is just silly.

Wall Street doesn't react like gangbusters to Windows sales because the market knows that even in a bad year, Microsoft is going to sell hundreds of millions of licences. That's the real point - Microsoft's cash cows are mature and the innovation is very much incremental these days.

whiplash55
on Apr 26, 2010

Hell yes he's right. Apple is closing in on MS market cap despite great earnings from Redmond. It shouldn't even be close. Where's the hype on Windows Phone 7, the only reason anyone knows about it is your (and a few other) blogs.

Most people don't read tech blogs. Every normal person I talk to hasn't even heard of the new phones coming out later this year.

And Windows 8, nothing mot even here. Apple marketing hype is responsible for a third of their market cap. Microsoft dropped the ball when the first "I'm a Mac" commercials came out and hasn't been on their game since.

Any other CEO would out,  with stock performance like we've had the last 10 years.

Keleko
on Apr 26, 2010

It shows in the stock price, too.  Apple has a great quarter and the stock is on a roll.  MS also has a great quarter, and their stock is "meh".  There is some dispute over MS really having a "great quarter" compared to last year, however.  If the previous year's quarter was down and the current one is up, seems like it averages out to "meh".  I guess that explains why MS stock is reacting that way.

Mum
on Apr 26, 2010

"The company has essentially turned over the buzz machine to Apple, a company that gets non-stop coverage for what amounts to a giant iPod Touch. [Exactly. --Paul]"

And rightly so - iPod Touch is amazing, iPad is amazing. People (you know, real people with lives - not nerds) buy them because they understand them and can actually use them. Heck, 2-year-olds, no, even house pets seem to be able to use them.

Anyone who says they're "form over function" has long lost the idea of what is "good design". Form is inseparable from function. Actually, form is function. Why else would you choose a graphical UI over a text-based UI?

Meanwhile, Microsoft churns out more or less meaningless OS updates and people buy them because they either literally have to, or they can't afford to get what they really want. OK is not good enough to create a buzz. And Windows7 is pretty much just a 2009 version of XP.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"It's not about the products at all. What Apple does right is marketing. It's form over function, plain and simple."

C'mon.  Even Paul doesn't believe that.

pthurrott
on Apr 26, 2010
Mum, the iPad is not "amazing." It's just marketed very well, both by Apple and its culpable partners in mainstream media. The iPad is "decent" or "good." This is what I mean by "form over function." It's not that they aren't good products, its that style/marketing/fluff always comes first. Windows 7 is not a 2009 version of XP. That's ridiculous, sorry.
pthurrott
on Apr 26, 2010
Ocean. Not true. I do believe that. See my previous response.
pthurrott
on Apr 26, 2010
Keleko: Stock prices are black magic. Let's not pretend the stock market makes sense. In comparing Apple v. Microsoft, the stock market has also chosen form over function, largely. It's not that Apple isn't performing well, they are. But a consistent company like Microsoft is just of no interest. I'm not sure that makes any sense at all.
jameskatt
on Apr 26, 2010

Since Microsoft made huge profits on Windows 7 by NOT opening up their mouth, just like Apple does, doesn't it mean they are right?

Who cares if there is chatter among the pundits and bloggers if one is making huge profits?

Microsoft is copying Apple in this case.  

However, unlike Apple, Microsoft's users are not religiously inspired.  Thus, the chatter is going to be low.

But then, like the laundromat business, it makes money, lots of money.

joe-dokes
on Apr 26, 2010

Paul,

You do realize you're agreeing with Dvorak? Right?

For too long long MS would invite the reporters or hold a press conference where they would tout the next new thing, unfortunately far too often they would over promise and under deliver.  Longhorn/Vista wasn't the only MS technology that was late and under performed.  For example, when Apple introduced the iPhone MS announced/demonstrated a table type device that had some really cool touch features.  The technology press wrote millions of words about the device and how they would be in bars and restaurants and they would be the coolest thing since sliced bread.  Several years later?  Nothing.  

In reality both you and Dvorak were right MS used PR preemptively.  When a competitor released a new product, MS would show off their Alpha or Beta that had more features.  The effect would be that individual consumers and businesses might delay a purchases while waiting to see what MS would release.  This greatly benefited MS.  Today MS's biggest competitor is MS, thus suppressing existing sales is not only unneeded but counter productive.

Finally consumers have become more savvy, they have become well aware that MS press releases and Alpha previews often over promised and under deliver; thus the only people who get excited about an MS press release are tech pundits looking for quick and easy content.

Regards

Joe Dokes

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"Mum, the iPad is not "amazing." It's just marketed very well, both by Apple and its culpable partners in mainstream media."

Pogue kinda slammed it, you know.

If you get away from the mainstream media and read the blogs to get a more in depth and critical look at it, they too rate it more highly than decent or good.  

Most people who touch it think highly of it.

pthurrott
on Apr 26, 2010
Jameskatt, my point here is that just doing the same thing because it was successful once doesn't (always) make sense. Windows 7 benefited from the lousy perception of Windows Vista so doing things differently made sense. With Windows 8, it's a different world, and a different situation. They should be more agile in the marketing of what they're doing, as well as in the implementation.
RobertC
on Apr 26, 2010

I have to add one more point.

One of the main differences between Apple's approach and Microsoft's approach is that Microsoft has always relied on partners to carry their products. In every other market Microsoft has entered, Microsoft seems to do "proof-of-concept" innovations, then lets them wither away while others take the credit. Microsoft needs to "carry-through" on their innovation. They need to drive it from start to finish - from product conception, all the way to the marketing and they need to do it continuously.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"a consistent company like Microsoft is just of no interest."

You're ignoring the effect Vista had on everyone.

I think that once MS proves to the market that they can consistently deliver quarter after quarter of stellar results, things will rise.  Apple has done that, and they haven't had a hiccup like Vista in quite a while.

infiniteloop
on Apr 26, 2010

I don't get it.

Isn't saying the iPad is just a big iPod touch rather like saying that Laptops are just smaller desktops?

Paul, The iPad IS an amazing device, freeing up the user from trackpads and Mice with its elegant, intuitive and fun interface. A device which requires software to operate differently to afford the user a more direct interaction with it. This by extension, is driving innovative and creativity, as evidenced by the Apps already available for it.

The iPad has changed the game already and thats why so many 'iPad killers'

like the 'iPod and iPhone killers' before  them are being readied.

Marketing is, of course, key. But the product has to be interesting in the first place. This is why Zune has not been compelling, but Windows 7 (after the awfulness of Vista) has.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"When a competitor released a new product, MS would show off their Alpha or Beta that had more features. "

I read this quote on Ars, and it's a good one:

"Apples weaknesses can always be summed up with bullet points, but its strengths cannot."

MS always offered you more features, when its clear that many just wanted stellar function and form.

For better or worse, MS isn't seen as doing that.

Keleko
on Apr 26, 2010

Possibly the difference in the stock prices is MS isn't really growing in market share with their products.  They either already own the market (Windows, Office), or they barely make a dent (Zune).  Windows Phone 7 is a complete unknown quality right now, and it is still around 6 months or more from market.  Their current mobile product is losing share to Android.

Yes, Windows 7 is growing in market share, but only at the cost of older versions of Windows.  That's just MS competing against its older products.  In fact, they can only lose market share, and apparently are if Apple's share is increasing (even if overall it is small compared to MS).

rr0de74@live.com
on Apr 26, 2010

"Windows 7 benefited from the lousy perception of Windows Vista "

Windows 7 gets a boost in 3 ways.  1. It’s better than Vista and XP.  2. Even if you wanted XP with your new computer you can’t get it, you must buy 7.  3.  The economy is looking better, or people waited because it was worse and their old computer is really old now, so new PC sales are up/7 sales are up.

I agree with Dvorak, but Microsoft has a problem really.  When I think of Microsoft from a consumer point of view, there is not much there in terms of marketing or products that can be hyped by marketing.  Sure I see those Windows 7 ads, but I just don’t see them inspiring to many people because its operating system.  The one with the Sony house hold (Windows 7 + lots of Sony products) is probably the most inspiring as it show how all of the computers and the TV are linked.  

Step outside of Windows and the Xbox 360 is probably best known to Joe Consumer.  A gaming console simply does not appeal to as many people as a MP3 player or Cell phone does.  The 360 also has PR issues as well, amongst game console users, see sales of PS3 since the slim has launched to see that the 360 might be losing that war soon.

Office from any vendor, is simply boring.  MS Office is the best in class, but it’s still boring to the average consumer.  Besides that, not all consumers use it.  Retired people that I know of don’t even use any version of Office from any company and retried people make up a big part of the US population.  They still buy computers for web surfing, email, photo’s etc…..and often pricing is their biggest requirement so PC’s are their target.

Apple is very consumer focused, and probably market products better than anyone.   Consumers see Apple as a fancy gadget maker, and then a Mac maker these days.  Gadgets that most need/want (phones mp3 players) iPhone sales being higher in total last quarter than Mac’s proves this clearly.  Add to that things like iLife attract the higher (tech wise) than average consumer, especially compared to Live essentials.  iLife is totally consumer focused.

rr0de74@live.com
on Apr 26, 2010

@Robert C I agree.  When Windows phone 7 launches I would hope that Microsoft has its own version, like the Zune.

If so they hopefully will have full Live product integration.  

When people go to buy an iPhone that are hit with MobileMe sales pressure.  The fact that MobileMe fully integrates with the iPhone helps sell both.

subzerohitman721
on Apr 26, 2010

I don't buy it when anyone says they are forced to buy Windows. That's complete and absolute bull. Have you not ever heard of a Linux based operating system? With the right credit or debit card, you can go to Fry's, newegg.com, CompUSA, CDW, Amazon, Microcenter, or other retailers with the goal of building your own computer without any OS preloaded.

You can get any Linux distro to send you a free OS. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Mandriva, Slackware, Freespire, & many others. If you want something Unix based there's FreeBSD or OpenSolaris. There are tons and tons of free OSes. You can go to your local library & save them to a USB thumb drive. You can rip & burn it any CD or DVD. Installation shouldn't be that hard for anyone on Paul's site.

If you don't like Microsoft, then don't buy from them. If you don't buy Windows, there's nobody holding a gun to your head forcing you. People have tremendous choice in 2010. If they don't know it's either ignorance or a lack of doing a simple "Google Search" for alternative operating systems. I did it and found results very fast.

This time, John C. Dvorak is completely on target. Microsoft is kind of stuck in their model & that model will not last forever. They really do need some really good marketing people. Honestly, they should hire Donny Deutsch as a consultant to really help them out. Honestly, Microsoft couldn't market themselves out of a paper bag to save their lives. The lameness of many of their brand ideas is too numerous to mention. However, I do think the "I'm a PC" was decently successful. Not great like Apple's marketing, but we know there's a lot of fluff & lot of bull in Apple's marketing, but it does work.

The real problem for Microsoft is size & organization as Paul has pointed out before. They are just too big, too bloated, & too slow to respond. Honestly, Ballmer as CEO has got to go. They need someone who knows tech, has the pulse of the users, & is willing to make tough choices. If Ford ever lets him go, I think Alan Mulally would be the perfect candidate for Microsoft's next CEO. He's an engineer, he's successful as a CEO, he's got the pulse of the people, & the guy understands tech.

The company must be trimmed down to be mobile, agile, & moving like bullet-train. Windows will have to be updated far more frequently to avoid issues. Microsoft needs to really focus on breaking out the Zune brand to be multi-platform. Port it to Android, Symbian, Blackberry, open it to Mac users, make a Linux version, & make it a ubiquitous crossplatform content store. That move by itself would generate a tremendously good profitable cash cow. Microsoft should be making international agreements with music & video content providers internationally to make Zune go international. People are dying for an alternative to the iTunes Store & Microsoft potentially has it. They just need to go for it.

Microsoft needs to engineer the next Xbox to be nothing short of near flawless. They should be alpha testing hardware to run cool as ice, quieter than a PC fan, to have superb graphics, & an SDK that practically begs developers to use it. There should be hundreds of GB's of storage if not TB's. It should have built in wireless networking, along with an ethernet cable, & one hell of a universal remote. They should be leaking that we are working on the next Xbox & it will not be a repeat of the 360.

There's plenty for Microsoft to talk about but their silence is saying a lot.

yoshipod
on Apr 26, 2010

The stock price issue is probably related to Apple's ability to enter new markets and make them very successful, whereas, Microsoft is not able to that.

Windows & Office are mature cash cows as pointed out by many here already.  It is expected those two products provide massive profits. Even when they do better than expected, the stock price will not move too much.

If Apple did not have the ipod & iphone lines, their stock would be no where near the value it is today, despite showing amazing growth in their computer sales.

In general, Apple enters a new market and it becomes extremely profitable while Microsoft usually loses money for years on new ventures.

This is why the Apple stock has performed much better.  They are able to grow other lines into cash cows, whereas Microsoft has yet to do that.

kcarson97404
on Apr 26, 2010

RobertC:

"They need to drive it from start to finish"

I agree. They did this with both XBox and Zune, and these are great devices. However, the Zune hasn't caught any traction because it was late to the party. Xbox 360 had major manufacturing problems (red rings of death!).

FalKirk
on Apr 26, 2010
Paul, the iPad is "just" a giant iPod Touch" the way a tsunami is "just" a giant wave.
beaker
on Apr 26, 2010

one cannot also deny that there is a certain stigma with Microsoft that desperately needs to be repaired. They made no effort in "fighting" the I'm a Mac ads... and I do know that those ads made a difference with regards to the general public perception.

They need to get out there and focus on what they do right. I do agree that - besides the Sienfeld commercials (which made no sense - I thought those were supposed to go somewhere) - their TV ads aren't effective.

shark47
on Apr 26, 2010

It's not Apple. It's the media. Apple has moved on past computers, so computers -- even though they continue to sell like hot cakes -- are a thing of the past. The iPhone and iPad are the future.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"The iPad has changed the game already and thats why so many 'iPad killers' like the 'iPod and iPhone killers' before  them are being readied."

This is a good point.  There is no talk of Apple TV killers or Zune killers.  

It's only the top-rate products that induce other companies to produce device "killers".

BXP
on Apr 26, 2010

Unfortunately, Dvorak is right.  There are numerous reasons for MS's situation, but they largely stem back to leadership.  Regardless of what you thought of MS or Bill Gates back in the day, Bill is a figure that people reacted to, much like Steve Jobs.  And for the most part, any reaction is better than no reaction.  Bill had vision and gave the company tangible personality.  You could feel his influence in the company's attitude and strategy.  Even during the bullish, anti-trust days, MS press coverage was often negative, but at least it was provocative.  

Ballmer's a businessman in the telco or IBM style.  His allegiance is with enterprises and shareholders and he is setting the company up for long-term, blue-chip growth.  Ironically, I find IBM's TV ads, as well as Cisco's, to be more intriguing than MS's corny Windows 7 ads.  Even if MS isn’t usually thought of as a great innovator, it's perceived need to "catch up" in many areas has been very public.  Windows 7 was MS “catching up” to Apple after it failed to do so with Vista.  Windows Phone 7 is an attempt to “catch up” to Apple in the mobile space.  Office 2010 is an attempt to “catch up” to Google Docs in terms of online functionality...  

It doesn't help that, outside of the business space, you could argue that Windows lacks a "killer app".  This ties in with the decline of PC gaming, which Paul has discussed, and the fact that more and more of our computing experience is web-based.  Furthermore, as our computing experience becomes more mobile with laptops, smartphones, tablets, etc., and variations in hardware specs are less important, people care more about the form-factor and the total experience.  Obviously, this plays nicely into Apple's hands.

To get back into the public conversation, MS needs some attitude, some personality again.  People need to react to MS again, just like they did in the anti-trust days.  I don't know if MS needs to go as far as replacing Ballmer, but it needs someone else to be the public face...someone who has vision and can see way down the road...someone who isn't afraid to speak out and say something controversial.  Maybe it's Ozzie, maybe it's Russinovich...it just needs to be someone who isn't afraid to stir the pot while evangelizing for MS.  Like Dvorak said, tell us that Windows 8 will make the Chrome OS feel like a Fisher Price toy.  Tell us that Windows Phone 7 devices will become the new benchmark for mobile computing.  Tell us that Microsoft will own the cloud computing frontier.  Just tell us something other than that Windows 7 is “my idea”.  

runner7775
on Apr 26, 2010

"Paul, The iPad IS an amazing device..."

Whoa, no it really isn't.  It is a consumption device, a bigger iPod touch.  I had thought about getting one sometime this summer, but I couldn't find a way to rationalize it.  It IS highway robbery in terms of what you get for the price.  16 GB for $500?  Wow.  This article sums up a lot of the thoughts I have on the iPad: msftkitchen.com/.../so-you-want-an-ipad-huh-consider-the-following.html

Its going to be successful because it is an Apple product.  In the end successful does not mean that a product is great or even good.

JackPDiddly
on Apr 26, 2010

Stock price and market value are crap.  Why doesn't Dvorak and Paul mention P/E?   Currently, Microsoft's P/E is 16, Apple's is 22, and Google is 26.  One bad quarter for Apple (or Google) and the inflated P/E will collapse.

BTW, I couldn't wait for Windows Phone, and I ordered a HTC Incredible.

ckeledjian
on Apr 26, 2010

So Microsoft doesn't make as much noise as Apple or Google, who cares? Microsoft is the most unfairly critizised company, yet XP is the most widely used OS in the world, and Win 7 will soon replace it. There is no evidence of OSX or linux getting ever a break. The fact is that Microsoft is not a religious sect like Apple or Google. Apple shows a lackluster product like iPad and they cheer and applaud. Google shows a strip down linux with a browse such as Chrome OS and OMG, this is the end of Windows. Microsoft has the hardest audiences, they show Natal, Phone 7, amazing Bing maps augmented reality technology, and all the stuff at MS Labs which is amazing, and they just get a warmluke applause and a small article in the media. Microsoft dwarfs any other company in patents. Its the MS way, they don't have fanboys and MS is strict and critical and not easily impressed with 'magical innovations'. That's why they will endure the pass of time while their competitors will come and go.

decals42
on Apr 26, 2010

Paul, I kind of have to agree that naysaying the iPad at this point doesn't hurt the iPad, it just makes it look like you don't grok the future when you're looking at it. Sure, you can say that you don't need one, or that it is not a laptop, but it *is* the future - as in, within five years everyone's going to own something like this, and once again Apple's the first to market with the conceptualization of the device that people actually want (call this hype if you want, but the  iPod and iPhone before it are both the devices in those categories that everyone else wants to be).

I'm going to argue that the last time Microsoft really did anything that people went, "wow - that's the future!" was Windows 95. And this, I'm going to argue, is because Bill Gates had vision, and Steve Ballmer is a salesman. Salesmen don't make up new product categories - they pore over market demographics for existing conditions and call their business partners.

This is not to say that Microsoft couldn't play this game - in fact, Courier, Surface and Photosynth are all Apple-like innovations that Microsoft R&D has shown off recently, and then...done absolutely nothing with. Apple delivers on our fantasies of the future - Microsoft delivers iterations of products that haven't conceptually changed in fifteen years.

Maybe Windows Phone can change that? It's already pretty late to the party, and Microsoft doesn't exactly carry mindshare for quality mobile products these days.

RobertC
on Apr 26, 2010

I think BXP made some interesting points. In effect, the argument goes like so: Ballmer appears to be making Microsoft the new IBM, the company that makes so much money but to which no-one feels any connection, care or emotion.

Thurrott has made this point several times in the past. There's truth in it to a certain extent given that beyond Windows and Office, Microsoft hasn't had tremendous success in other markets in the last 10 years. Whilst they've built Xbox up from scratch, it lost in excess of $6 billion before it began to turn a profit, and even now the profits are marginal at best. Zune is a fabulous platform, but they've let it wither away by not allowing it to move outside the US and not putting any real marketing effort behind it.

It is surprising that the company lacks the personnel to see these projects to success. There is so much investment, but not enough focus, not enough attention. I think Microsoft would do well to rationalise the entire company and cut unprofitable businesses away. The company is so large and bureaucratised that it has become paralysed. It is either an innovator that doesn't follow through, or it is the deer in the headlights that is loathe to respond.

I want to see Microsoft become aggressive again. Really take it to their competitors. But you can't do that as a lumbering brontosaurus laden with too many unprofitable pet projects.

yoshipod
on Apr 26, 2010

"Apple shows a lackluster product like iPad and they cheer and applaud."

"Microsoft has the hardest audiences, they show Natal, Phone 7, amazing Bing maps augmented reality technology, and all the stuff at MS Labs which is amazing, and they just get a warmluke applause and a small article in the media."

Remember the phrase Jobs said back when they were making the first Mac? "Real artists ship".

The reason the media does not give Microsoft the attention for the items you list is that they are not able to use them. I can buy an ipad right now.  A few media people got one to play with one before release.  Who has a Win Phone 7 right now?  What about a Natal to test?

These things may yet turn out to be great things, but people can't get them yet. You actually pointed out part of the issue here.  Apple reveals things when they are ready to go and will be in the hands of users shortly. Microsoft historically showed off previews and early concepts that took a long time, if ever, to make it to market.  MS labs is doing some great things, but how long will it take to get into users hands?

If they can reduce that time to market, as Apple does, they may get more attention.

Mum
on Apr 26, 2010

Windows7 is very much a 2009 version of XP, Windows 95, NT or 3.1 - they're all similar enough for probably more than 90% of people to not really recognize the difference unless it reads on the screen. It's still very much the same operating system. Even what's under the hood doesn't matter, and you know why? Because of the form. It's still Windows OS to the user. Just like Mac OS X 10.6 is a 2009 version of Mac OS X 10.1, OS 9, 8 etc.

Now, even I consider iPad a large iPod Touch in many ways. But then, iPod Touch is a computer as well, it just runs a very different operating system than Windows is. And it's an amazing computer, just like iPad - at least it seems to amaze most people. No idea what is amazing, if it isn't something that amazes most people.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"the iPad is "just" a giant iPod Touch" the way a tsunami is "just" a giant wave."

Win.  I love this phrase.

"To get back into the public conversation, MS needs some attitude, some personality again."

For that to happen, the corporate culture needs to change.  Remember the editorial by the guy who lead the development of cleartype?  Some of the biggest injuries that the company takes apparently comes from internal program and project managers who feel threatened by other internal projects.

 "It makes me yearn back to the Slashdot days when we'd hear rumblings about Windows Whistler and dream about what was possible."

I don't yearn for those days, but you ARE right.  What MS had coming was on the lips of all -- it's fans, linux fans AND apple fans.

nim55
on Apr 26, 2010

I think that Paul still doesn't get it. It seems to be popular among some circles to dismiss Apple products as just being "form over function", but that just shows how out of touch many in the tech industry are with what most people want to buy and use. Apple does a great job in thinking about what the consumer wants. No, they didn't come out with the first mp3 players. No, they didn't come out with the first smart phones. No, they didn't come out with the first tablet PCs. But when they did, they nailed the designs and showed the rest of the industry how to do it. Now everyone looks at the iPhone as the starting template when designing their own smart phones. In the same way, table PC makers are looking at the iPad as the starting template for their own designs.

As for the iPad being just an overgrown iPod Touch, what's wrong with that? I loved my iPod Touch and the only significant complaints I had about it were that the screen is very small and that the processor is a bit slow for casual web browsing. The new iPad solves those two problems and now I use mine everyday for browsing the web, or reading e-books, or playing iPad board games with my 4-year old daughter. Haven't touched my laptop since I got my iPad. You tech types may pooh-pooh the iPad but I love it. While Microsoft and others are toying around with designs that never seem to get off the drawing board, Apple stepped up and gave consumers just what they wanted. Go ahead and wake me up if and when Microsoft Courier ever gets here.

ckeledjian
on Apr 26, 2010

The time to market may be one of the reasons MS fails to impress even when they do have impressive products. But still, the religious fanatism of Apple fanboys plays a big role. The iPhone took years to come out with essentials such as cut and paste, multitasking, SD card slot, flash, etc and they still get fanatical praising when they do deliver something that other smartphones have had for years. The iPad was a rumor for a long time too. Of course, Apple, being the software and hardware manufacturer can develop faster new ideas, but once made it is essential a dead end: you only have the options and features that daddy Steve Jobs likes and everything he doesn't care for is banned. When you work with third parties, like Microsoft, you will take much longer to innovate, but once you do, the market driven by many competing hardware and third party software manufacturers is able to deliver much more variaty,options at less cost. It is more scalable. Unfortunately, Apple will again, as it happened in the 90s, be the force that pushes the market to a new level, thanks to their fast developing approach, only to then become resented when the market catches up and provides more options faster and cheaper. It's starting to happen: the iPhone innovation is getting to the flat point of the curve, finally delivering multitasking after all these years, but otherwise the same phone, now copied by Android in look and feel. Windows Phone might not be ready yet, but I assure you that its announcement has stalled make potential iphone and android buyers, and especially, corporate users. I rather wait till the end of this year, but my next phone will be WinPhone 7 because is the serious solution for my needs. Other innovations like Natal cannot simply be kept in secret until shipped, this technology is really revolutionary, is the mix of several technologies from several companies and it makes Sony's stick with a lighted ball idea look really arcaic and stupid. I agree that MS could do better PR, but MS style is and will never be about 'magical, unbelievable' products, it is not their style to attack, spread lies or humiliate their competition. They simply show what they got and let you make your own decision. And I like that. I used to like Apple and I am one of those that got distanced from Apple after the lies and dirty play of the Mac vs PC ads and is also a turn off when Apple attacks Adobe, bans Google, sues HTC and overall act like teenagers resented with a cheating ex. It shows that Apple still has an inferiority complex, is like one of those little dogs that bark a lot, while the big dog looks at them puzzled. I am a network engineer and I compare MS with Cisco. Cisco took longer that its competition to get into Voip, firewalls, vpn, wireless, video conferencing, but when they actually get it, they get it right, very well integrated and consistent and become the de facto standard in those areas. That's why you know you can bet your future in these companies, because they will stay when the competitors' honeymoon is over. Remember that Apple Computers started really nice and then they became too closed, stagnant and pricey to be competitive. They haven't changed their strategy, they just abandoned the failed market and got into new ones such as mp3 players and phones. But unfortunately, their closed, uncooperative model does not scale. So I wouldn't worry about that loud little dog.

RobertC
on Apr 26, 2010

Mum, iPhone/iPad are no longer "amazing". We're not in the year 2007 anymore where these interfaces were mindblowing compared to the competition.

There may be a certain novelty in using an iPod Touch with a 10 inch screen, but the lack of basic necessities like a user-accessible file system, USB port and affordable storage makes it obscenely expensive and pointless.

RobertC
on Apr 26, 2010

Ocean, there's a fine balance between generating hype about upcoming products and actually delivering those products. The problem with Microsoft is that it never got that balance right until Windows 7. Up until then, it would expose new innovation years in advance and we'd all be fascinated but the innovation would never see the light of day or Apple would come along and release a product and claim it was their innovation.

rr0de74@live.com
on Apr 26, 2010

@subzero sure anyone can buy a computer without a OS and then download and install ubuntu if they want.  The people that do this are the farthest thing from the "average consumer".

However 90+% of average consumers done even know what Linux of Ubuntu is.  The average consumer probably makes up 95+ of consumer computer sales.  They know Windows or Mac.  They probably don’t even know what "OS X" is.  To them it’s either a Mac computer or Apple computer.

So if average consumers want to spend 1K or more have the choice of Mac or PC (minus the mini).  If price is the #1 determining  factor in their choice of a new computer, like they only want to spend $500, then AVERAGE CONSUMER is getting a Windows PC.

Dipsh t Admin
on Apr 26, 2010

Part of the problem is "maturity", and that isn't much of a "problem" per se.  Both Windows and OS X are now very mature platforms, and they live on higher end devices, and as certainly the case with Windows, drive nearly all of the world, weather through the server platforms or through the desktop portion.  There is always a place for this (for the forseeable future at least), and being that this is so mature, it loses some of its glamor.  Even Apple is not immune to this, as they release new hardware for OS X, and it certainly doesn't become water cooler discussion the next day.  I like Windows 7, and I will evangelize it, and Windows will continue to drive profits for MS, but it is just an operating system.

Certainly an area that MS got caught blindsided was of course the mobile space, where it is all happening.  With the rapid changes to the iPhone OS and to Android, they also have become mature.  My next phone will be the DROID Incredible (only 3 more days, hopefully less).  It is that kind of device that will drive the ears of the industry and regular people.  Just take a look at the sheer number of blogs dedicated to mobile phones and devices and you can certainly see where the momentum is moving towards.  And while the iPhone put a fresh face on the mobile segment, that drive was in place for some time.  Shame on MS for missing that.

So, I think MS realizes this, now.  The bet the farm strategy on WinPho 7 and cloud computing (and three screens and the cloud, which I'm sure Paul can recount hearing that at MS events) is evidence of that.  But one of the problems they experience is that they are really such a huge company, with almost too many products to mention, making it hard for any one product to stand out.  While I can't account for how WinPho 7 will work out in terms of software, I can already see that the hardware becoming available will be excellent.  I'm not married to a platform, and I'll be willing to jump the Android ship if it is prudent.  

It's no doubt that MS hopes that they had WinPho 7 available last year, since they could have been cooking up a tablet right now running WinPho 7, and looking at the leaked Dell roadmap, we see that there is indeed some very interesting devices coming down the pike, that could have been running WinPho 7, but are running Android instead.

rr0de74@live.com
on Apr 26, 2010

"They made no effort in "fighting" the I'm a Mac ads... and I do know that those ads made a difference with regards to the general public perception."

Paul says that consumer PC sales are now higher with consumers than with corporations and I agree, especialy with corporations moving towards thin devices/VDI.

That said PC sales that come with Windows probably make up 1/3 of Microsoft sales???  Enterprise/SA agreements is where the real money is for Microsoft.  I work for a medium size company, say 5000 employees and our 3 year SA agreement is worth just over the 1 million mark.  We wont spend a 10th of that on new PC's in 3 years.

I think they care about the consumer market, but would rather sell 50 copies of SQL 2008 R2 with SA vs 10000 copies of Windows on netbooks.

rr0de74@live.com
on Apr 26, 2010

" but the lack of basic necessities like a user-accessible file system"

Average potential iPad purchaser does not care about this stuff.

lightandshadow
on Apr 26, 2010

People are buying iPads because they expect Apple to transform the tablet segment like Apple transformed the smart phone market. The buzz is, in part,  based on expectation of Apple's past success.

Microsoft lacks recent success of this scale. They do not have the inertia necessary to build the kind of buzz. Windows 7 is what Windows Vista should have been four years ago.

Ocean
on Apr 26, 2010

"my next phone will be WinPhone 7 because is the serious solution for my needs. "

How can anyone know that without having touched one?

lightandshadow
on Apr 26, 2010

Robert,

You're assuming you represent Apple's target market for the iPad. But, if I've learned anything developing software over the last 20 years it's that I'm not the average user. Apple is targeting people who do not care about filesystems or USB ports. In fact, many people would be happy to see these details abstracted away.

The iPad is focused on tasks that do not need to expose these details to the end user beyond the simple document selection UI released in iPhone OS 3.2. So, while you might think a device which lacks these details is "pointless", I think many people would see these details as irrelevant to the task at hand: surfing the web, email, games, etc.  

Even then, it appears that you can plug a number of USB devices into the Camera Connection Kit beyond cameras, such as USB keyboards, USB headsets and even class 1 USB audio devices.

BXP
on Apr 26, 2010

Thanks, RobertC.  The thing is, I know people who work at IBM and who *wanted* to work at IBM.  It's still a respected company in and out of tech.  But, IBM is just not relevant in the consumer space as it sold off its consumer-oriented businesses and, outside of its server/mainframe business, is largely a services company.  Apple "makes stuff" and really is one of the few remaining iconic American manufacturers (outsourcing notwithstanding).  Even Chinese consumers are clamoring for iPhones despite Taiwan producing phones that easily eclipse the iPhone in terms of specs and functionality.  

I agree that I want to see Microsoft become aggressive again.  It used to see everything as a threat...  Linux/Unix was a threat so MS entered the server space.  Oracle was a threat so it entered the database space.  Video game consoles were a threat so it got Windows CE on the Dreamcast before ultimately entering the space with the Xbox.  Palm was a threat...etc, etc.  Ironically, Gates' vision of "a computer in every home" is turning out to be true, except that "computer" is not a Windows PC but rather an iPhone or iPad from Apple, the "rival" it probably feared the least in the 90s.

Backup77
on Apr 26, 2010

It does seem that Dvorak is right on this occasion. Microsoft is not generating the excitement or wow factor anymore and you can put that down to a PR\Marketing dept with no direction and little creativity. Windows Phone 7 sounds exciting to me but as others have posted hardly anyone knows about it outside the company and a couple of tech blogs and that's a pity. Paul you blogged about your excitement and how you felt before and after WinHEC 2003 regarding Longhorn and the excitement that generated. Microsoft could really use some of that excitement and publicity now.  

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