Get Windows 7 features on Windows Vista (Updated)

Updated! OK, I guess this was inevitable. Two Three separate hacks are available to get some Windows 7 features working in Windows Vista. The first, for the new calculator utility, is sort of dubious, but the second two—for Aero Snaps and Aero Shake—are great ideas.

Windows 7 Calculator for Windows Vista

Aero Snap Beta - AeroSnap is a simple but powerful application that allows you to resize, arrange or maximize your desktop windows with just drag'n'drop. Simple drag a window to a side of your desktop to snap it or drag it to the top to maximize. When you drag it back to the last position, the last window size will be restored. Really easy, isn't it? It also works with multiple monitors!

Aero Shake - Free utility Aero Shake brings the Windows 7 Aero Shake feature to your pre-Windows 7 computer.

Thanks to EJ for the tip on the first two and to Robert B. for the third.

My Windows 7 Feature Focus series begins today, btw. Stay tuned…

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RaaJ
on Nov 12, 2008
Haha.. the flood gates open! I hope MS would bring benefits more tangible to the user than just UI and UX niceties. Many of these improvements would eventually and inevitably be implemented or improved by third party apps (which is the beauty of the Windows ecosystem), but things like OS core could only be improved by MS. Hope they will distinguish Win7 from Vista enough to warrant a new upgrade/replacement cycle for most XP or Vista users. Otherwise, I would rather them give out 7 as a complete overhaul of Vista.. aka Vista SE.
Master3
on Nov 12, 2008
There has always been a proud tradition of bringing elements of one OS to another. I've had programs that replicated everything from Windows 95, when I had only Win 3.11, System 7, NEXT, BeOS, XP, Vista, and God knows what else! Right now I'm already using an Aero theme on my XP machines, and will play with these programs on my Vista box.
shark47
on Nov 12, 2008
Doesn't this amount to "lipstick on a pig"?
cgdams
on Nov 12, 2008
Aero Snap is nice and quite useful on my Vista Machine. Especially left and right docking of windows is by far the easiest and most convenient way of placing two windows side by side. The Aero Shake lookalike, on the other hand, is not well done. Apart from causing a lot of flicker when restoring the minimized windows to their original size, it also has a real flaw: Sometimes, it restores windows aren't really minimized, but instead display an icon in the notification area of the taskbar. Thus, you may end up restoring more windows than you ever minimized. I hope (and assume) the original Windows 7 feature works better than that.
Ocean
on Nov 12, 2008
MS should have used paint.net in Windows Vista II, er, Windows 7. http://www.getpaint.net/
DRWAM
on Nov 12, 2008
I rememembered to take the caps off this post. Is there a public beta for Windows 7 yet? If so, where can we sign up. I really do wish to test it on the cheapo $400 laptop. I came with the 160GB HD partitioned into two volumes, one labled sytem and the other storage I think, but it's at home right now. Those netbooks seem like a hot item, so the ability to run 7 is a very good move by MS. You could probably see a lot of cheapo hardware running 7 next year. IMO, it will sell very well. Free MS Works and you have about all you need for the road.
RaaJ
on Nov 12, 2008
Ocean.. Paint.net is mighty fine, but normal Windows users don't need that kind of sophistication. While we are at it, let's go ahead and recommend that Microsoft replace Sound Recorder application with Audacity. Why not?
shark47
on Nov 12, 2008
"Paint.net is mighty fine, but normal Windows users don't need that kind of sophistication." Good point. If someone wants paint.net, it's a free download. Paint.net may be good but it's extremely daunting for the average joe.
Waethorn
on Nov 12, 2008
Quick feature request for Windows 7 relating to the Doc's post: Allow a user (local admin) to move user data files from volume to volume. Turning off shadow volume copy on app/OS volumes improves performance, and you don't need it on for those ones**. You really only need it on data volumes. This is considered a best practise in SBS 2008. They should make a wizard in Windows 7 on the client side that lets you move user data stores similar to what's offered in SBS (which is extremely easy too). **Question for Mike: Does System Restore use VSS (volume shadow service), or a conventional file backup?
chuckb84
on Nov 12, 2008
"Doesn't this amount to "lipstick on a pig"?" No, it's lipstick on a pit bull :)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
RaaJ "I hope MS would bring benefits more tangible to the user than just UI and UX niceties. " They have but those are not the features easily cloned from seeing a demo or playing with a pre-beta. They also don't get much discussion since it's the "shiny things" features that get the initial attention. Take a look, for instance, at Paul's Windows 7 Feature Focus at http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/ff.asp and you'll see lots of items that are more tangible user benefits than just UI/UX changes.
Waethorn
on Nov 12, 2008
"Paint.net may be good but it's extremely daunting for the average joe." Windows Live Photo Gallery suffices for most, thanks. I wonder if Microsoft will allow partners/OEM's to preload Windows Live Wave 3 on systems. I don't think it's such a good idea to try and sell a system that doesn't have an email client included out of the box. The rest is all good too though. Some partners may want to customize with Firefox/Thunderbird, Adobe PS/Premiere Elements, etc., without implementing redundancies due to pre-bundled accessory apps. It makes it easier on partners, while also alleviating frustrations on the user due to overlapping software functionality in the software load-out.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
Vista uses VSS for system restore. I would imagine Windows 7 is exactly the same way.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Waethorn I'm not sure. I've never turned VSS off. I suspect it could be testing in a VM to find out.
Waethorn
on Nov 12, 2008
"it's lipstick on a pit bull" http://tinyurl.com/5r3uzx That's all I have to say about that.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
In Windows Vista, System Restore features an improved interface and is based on Shadow Copy technology. In prior Windows versions, it was based on a file filter that watched changes for a certain set of file extensions, and then copied files before they were overwritten.[2] The advantage of using Shadow Copy is that block-level changes in files located in any directory on the volume can be monitored and backed up regardless of their location. [3] I turned off VSS and it broke system restore.
Waethorn
on Nov 12, 2008
....and SBS doesn't have System Restore, so it makes sense to recommend it for that. I didn't know how Windows client does it though. Still, having the user data move wizard that SBS has would be extremely handy.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
shark47 "Doesn't this amount to "lipstick on a pig"? " Actually, to make the analogy work, it's more like taking a supermodel who just woke up, is having her first cup of coffee and has no makeup on and getting her prepped for the runway. To follow your analogy, the basic bone structure and genetics of Windows 7 is already there in Windows Vista. After two years of being told that all that matters is makeup and hair styling, Microsoft is putting Vista through a few hours with the stylists and sending her out on the catwalk as Windows 7.
Ocean
on Nov 12, 2008
Lots of underestimating the consumer. Don't you guys criticize Apple for that?
shark47
on Nov 12, 2008
There we go again. It's Ocean again. No surprise there.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Ocean Actually, if anything, Microsoft tends to overestimate the consumer and think they'll see benefits to underlying architecture without changes to the shiny things rather than Apple that just changes to color of the lipstick every year or two and sells that as innovation.
RaaJ
on Nov 12, 2008
Ocean.. can't quit trolling, can you? You could have suggested that they included Paint.net, and left it at that. But you had to throw in a flamebait calling Windows Seven as Vista II. Tsk. Tsk. What is the limit to which you could elevate the sophistication of the bundled applications? Your question does not apply to the criticism of Apple because unlike Apple, Microsoft does not lock in the kind of applications that can be built for Windows (as far as it pertains to the user.)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Ocean probably doesn't want me to extend the "supermodel without makeup" analogy because comparing OS X to Joan Rivers would be both accurate and painful.
lotsamystuff
on Nov 12, 2008
"But you had to throw in a flamebait calling Windows Seven as Vista II. Tsk. Tsk." Ocean didn't say that. But InfoWorld practically does: "Overall, Microsoft's pitch was quite compelling, and the PDC crowd was practically salivating at the chance to play with Microsoft's latest and greatest. "But after the stage props came down, and after the projectors finally went cold, attendees were left with a pre-beta copy of something that looked less like a new OS than the repackaging of an old one. "As I reported on my Enterprise Desktop blog, the more I dug into Windows 7, the more I saw an OS that looked and felt like a slightly tweaked version of Windows Vista. "From a raw throughput perspective, Windows 7 promises to perform as poorly as its predecessor. "Pre-beta" notwithstanding, the reality is that any hope for closing of the performance gap with Windows XP is unlikely to materialize in Windows 7. "Overall, the changes are mostly superficial. Even the new Task Bar is simply a twist on the existing Explorer UI model, not to mention a blatant rip-off of the Mac OS X dock. "So where does this leave us? For starters, we can now say with some certainty that Windows 7 is in fact just a repackaging of Windows Vista -- an "R2" release, to use Microsoft's nomenclature on the Windows Server side of the house. "One thing's for sure: Microsoft's once unassailable dominance of the enterprise desktop is wobbling on a precipice. Windows Vista has permanently eroded the company's reputation among IT decision makers, and from what we've seen of Windows 7 so far, Microsoft still does not "get IT.""
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Lotsa Yeah. Lotsa credibility there. These are, after all, the same people who spent last year in a major media campaign including podcast and web advertising to capture the groundswell of people who wanted to "Save XP" The end result was their reputation became a joke and they got a small list of Linux and Mac users representing 0.0075% of of the market.
Ocean
on Nov 12, 2008
>>if anything, Microsoft tends to overestimate the consumer and think they'll see benefits to underlying architecture without changes to the shiny things<< So why not give them more powerful software? Tsk, tsk to the folks who would rather talk about people than about technology. This is a technology site.
RaaJ
on Nov 12, 2008
Those asshats at Info World that wrote that quip have to be the most idiotic pandering sell-outs ever. When Apple copies features from other pre-existing technologies but adds improvements, they hail it as 'innovation'. When Microsoft does the same, by improving greatly on the dock functionality of OS X, they are labeled 'rip-off artists'. Stop peddling that InfoWorld BS here, if you have any intelligence to parse BS propaganda from genuine criticism.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
@Mike "wanted to "Save XP" And they did! You can still OEM until June of 2009! I know lots of small companies that WONT touch Vista, and pay Dell $99 per new PC to still get XP. How many times has the death of XP been pushed back?? I work in IT at a large corporation, 250K + and have friends lots of friends in the corporate world in IT jobs and I dont know ONE of them that says their corporations are moving to Vista. I think NPD reported that only 4% of Fortune 1000 has moved to Vista. XP still by a HUGE margin owns the desktop OS in the US or World. All that said eventually you will have to make the move and for lager corporations the only choice will be Windows 7 if they want AD and all it brings. Smaller companies might just stick with XP until 2014 or possibly look at OS X or Linux.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Ocean "So why not give them more powerful software?" Huh? The same Windows OS family that runs on your UMPC also runs on huge multiprocessor servers and runs on the 23rd most powerful supercomputer in the world (NCSA's "Abe" supercomputer with 9,600 cores and running over 68 trillion floating point operations per second on the industry standard tests)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Lindy Windows ALWAYS has a long lifespan of support. I know being a Mac fan that's an alien concept for you where you're expected to upgrade for $129 every time Apple wants a cash infusion from their fans and where supporting 3 year old hardware is considered a favor. (The PowerMac G5 stopped shipping in August 2006 - think SnowLeopard will support it? How about 10.7?) Remember that Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was finally dropped from the supported list (in that case limited embedded use) less than 2 weeks ago.
shark47
on Nov 12, 2008
"And they did! You can still OEM until June of 2009! I know lots of small companies that WONT touch Vista, and pay Dell $99 per new PC to still get XP." Yeah, sure they did, Lindy. Sure they did. http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2008/07/07/infoworl... Of course, you guys would probably believe Infoworld more than Thurrott, especially because the content on the site is more to your liking. "Stop peddling that InfoWorld BS here, if you have any intelligence to parse BS propaganda from genuine criticism." That's not the only site they peddle BS from. It's from any site that supports their agenda. Ocean has once again successfully hijacked this thread. Way to go, trollalot!
Waethorn
on Nov 12, 2008
"Ocean didn't say that. But InfoWorld practically does" InfoWorld is just jealous because their reporters were some that didn't get a look at the preloaded Windows 7 laptops that were available in the press room at PDC. Joe Wilcox was apparently one (he writes for "eWeak", which is part of the same network as InfoWorld). "So why not give them more powerful software?" Ya, why not just give them a copy of Photoshop while you're at it. "for lager corporations the only choice will be Windows 7 if they want AD and all it brings." WTF does that mean? Windows Server 2008 includes Active Directory support. Windows Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate will join a domain. What a stupid comment. "Smaller companies might just stick with XP until 2014 or possibly look at OS X or Linux." Nope, that one takes the cake.
Master3
on Nov 12, 2008
@RaaJ InfoWorld is just representative of the S.S. Titanic that was known as the tech media. I expect them to disappear, along with PC World, and others in the next 4 years. All of them have replaced honest journalism with pandering, and Gizmodo level "reporting", hoping to look "hip" and somehow win the love of non-Windows users.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
Lol Mike you just cant admit that Microsoft has postponed the end of XP sales, because of the poor reception of Vista in the Corporate world. Your simple minded brain cant register that fact, so you in turn try to label me and bash Apple??? You are so predictable its pathetic. I know all about Microsoft and its OS life cycles. Windows 2000 will loose all support in 2010. Its usually 10 years but at times they extend it, like NT 4.0 was extended, so was Exchange 5.5. I saw massive upgrades to Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 because of so many organizations never moved to AD and 2000. I remember when I was at HP's Exchange 2003 Academy training, that head of MS Exchange group told us that only 40% of NT 4.0 domain users migrated to Active Directory and of that only 25% moved to Exchange 2000. MS had to KILL NT 4.0 and Exchange 5.5 to get people to move off it. That said that is support only, not sales. XP was supposed to be cut off as in you cant buy it any where, Dell, HP and others were supposed to stop selling it. They all, including Info World moaned and wined so much that Microsoft has changed the date a few times, more than I can even keep track of now. The last I read is its June or July of 2009. If Paul is right about Windows 7 shipping in June, there might be 30 days where you can still get XP and Windows 7 is shipping! As far as Apple cutting off the PowerMac G5, I hope they do and fully expect Snow Leopard to be Intel only.
chuckb84
on Nov 12, 2008
Huh. So now I know Infoworld is part of the iCabal. It's funny, some time back (PowePC days) the Mac people I knew called it IntelWorld, and they never had a nice thing to say about Apple. Some of this may be in the eye of the beholder, then and now. BTW, I guess we can add Tom Friedman as an icabalist. Read the last paragraph :) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/opinion/12friedman.html?hp
DRWAM
on Nov 12, 2008
Most of us average users couldn't care less that the next OS is just an improved version or brand new under the hood. We just want it to work. Perhaps an improved version is probably better for us. This goes for both MS and Apple. Still if MS can still make money on something they created several years ago, bravo! If people are crazy enough to upgrade Mac OS each time a new OS rolls out, bravo for Apple. Us less geeky people won't upgrade. It's those geeks and fanboys that think that they need the latest, greatest. Fortunately for both camps, the economy will probably improve for the next round of upgrades.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Lindy If you know all about Windows life cycles, then why are you posting such silly stuff? (For example, you probably know that downgrade rights has been a part of Windows licensing for many, many years now) You kind of have two choices: 1) You really don't have a clue about Windows lifecycles 2) You're just trolling btw: I agree that Apple is likely to stop supporting G5 based Macintosh computers when Snow Leopard ships. The difference is that I think its pathetic that a company would sell a customer a computer in August 2006 and less than 3 years later say it's obsolete and should be thrown out. Seriously, buy a "state of the art" Mac Pro at a huge premium with OS X 10.4 and when 10.6 comes out 3 years later you're expected to toss it? I guess some people will do anything to make sure their pig has the latest colored lipstick.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
"or lager corporations the only choice will be Windows 7 if they want AD and all it brings" In a large corporation its not the desktop OS(Windows) that keeps them buying Windows desktop OS'es. Its the combination of Active Directory and all that it brings and the desktop OS that fully works with AD. The vast management of thousands of desktop computers is very complex and AD makes that job possible. Apple or Linux has nothing that can touch that. So a large corporation has to choose Windows unless they want to have a management nightmare trying to manage thousands of OS X boxes or Linux boxes. Sure there are tools to do help with that, but nothing like AD, SCCM, WSUS, and other tools from MS. Add in the fact that MS keeps making the tools better in the new versions. Example there were lots of GPO's in Windows XP/2003 server that would not work for Windows 2000, simple stuff like pushing out DNS suffixes to all clients, provided you had a 2003 domain and XP clients. MS could have easily patched 2000 to do that but they want your upgrade money, or you Software Insurance money. The same goes for 2008/Vista. There is no adminpack.msi that will support 2008 servers. I need to first install Vista and then download RSAT to manage 2008 servers. MS could make RSAT work on XP. Now in a small company with 10 computers they could go either way and I have seen it. They might choose SBS, or just a peer to peer mess. I have seen a cosmetic surgery office with 15 computers and a server......all OS X. Up front cost for small companies is usually more important. They will run XP until its not possible anymore....2014. I am sorry reality does not fit into your pro-MS SBS, small time Canadian computer store world.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
chuck No, Infoworld used to be a very serious magazine - one of the best resources in the tech world. Then they started having to compete with PCWeek and got their clocks cleaned when Sam Whitmore became Editor i Chief of PCWeek and ZiffDavis started owning the PC trade press. Later Infoworld learned that they could sell ads based on being controversial and became the voice of the ABM (Anybody But Microsoft) consortium and started being the big backers for "OS/2 will kill Windows" articles (and sold lots of ads to IBM). When that failed, they just started getting really desperate for readership/hits and gradually became a pretty low grade tabloid. It's really been pretty sad to watch.
shark47
on Nov 12, 2008
"BTW, I guess we can add Tom Friedman as an icabalist. Read the last paragraph :) www.nytimes.com/.../12friedman.html" Well, he likes Apple for its innovation and probably uses a Mac. That's his personal choice unless he goes to Windows sites and tries to get people to switch by trolling. If you want to know what an iCabalist does, think Quixtar (Amway).
gorath
on Nov 12, 2008
DRWAM, What is that $400 laptop you keep mentioning again? may I have some details please?
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
Well Mike how many times did MS change the end date for Windows 2000 in terms of how long Dell could sell it on a new PC??? Put on your detective hat and let us know. Is "troll" the best you got for me? Downgrade rights are different from what Dell is doing. Downgrade rights let you buy a CAL or PC with the current OS and then internally replace it with the OLD OS. With XP/2000 that was quite common. The key difference is that you COULD NOT buy 2000 anymore but you could legally load it in-house. You can buy XP today. What Apple and MS are doing cant really be compared. First MS does not make hardware. Second the makers of computers that run Windows are not switching from PPC to X86 or whatever. The Snow Leopard move is primarily to dump PPC code. Since Apple controls the OS and the hardware, and all major 3rd party apps have now switched to universal code this is a good move. Those G5 users will be able to run OS X 10.5.6, .7, .8, .9 or whatever Leopard goes up to for sometime into the future. Its not like Apple has some kind of kill switch that will shut it off and your G5 will turn off. Tiger is still patched today! So your point is a joke. I wish MS would follow Apple. Ship a single 64bit version of Windows 7 and security patch XP/Vista for a period of time.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
Lindy So your view of Apple customers is that they can either throw out their old computers and buy a new Macintosh every few years or be stuck with an unsupported OS and no apps. So, what IS the support lifespan for OS X releases? 10 years (like Microsoft)? Even longer than that if there's sufficient interest (like you bash Microsoft for)? Let's compare: Microsoft released Windows XP in 2001 and did a major, free service pack (XP SP3) for it 7 years later. Apple released OS X 10.1 in 2001 and issued their last free service pack for it 7 MONTHS later. Apple release OS X 10.4 in 2005 (which these people who trusted Apple got when they bought their expensive PowerMac G5 boxes in 2006) and issued their last free service pack for it in 2007. Yeah. That's the model to emulate.
DRWAM
on Nov 12, 2008
Acer - Aspire Laptop with Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor T3200 Model: AS5735-4774 | SKU: 9101928 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9101928&type=product&id=12... It's back up to $500, as it dropped to $400 again last week. It will drop again, but there are other laptops and Black Friday is almost here. Also, dealnews.com is a place that I find some great prices. Still my Acer ran fine with 2GB RAM, and I don't see a lot a performance difference when I found 4GB for $23 after rebate at Fry's, just as Waethorn predicted. For $23, I will never have any doubts. As I said [I think], I watched a DVD while playing an on line Webkinz game, then a Nick.com Wubbzy game. There wasn't even a hickup. It includes Vista SP1 and MS Works. It will go back to $400 soon, I'm sure.
Lindy
on Nov 12, 2008
Mike why not just answer my questions? I answer yours. http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/winxp_inspndt?c=us&cs... Please show me where Dell or anyone did the same thing in that link with Windows 2000. In case you dont want to open the link let me give you the pertinent information. "you spoke we listened" as in yeah we here you, you dont want Vista. "When you buy a Dell PC system configured with the Windows Vista® BONUS, your PC will come loaded with Windows XP® Professional pre-installed. With the BONUS option, you can transition to Windows Vista when you’re ready. Your BONUS Kit will include Windows XP Professional back-up CD which will allow you to re-install or transition back to XP from Vista if necessary plus Windows Vista Business or Ultimate installation DVD" That did not happen with Windows 2000 or Windows 95 or 98 or ME. Lets do compare. MS screwed up and took forever to release Vista. They released a version that was quite different from the demos they showed to the world in 2003. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y XP is here 7 years later because of failure to deliver and failure of consumers to except the replacement. A G5 can run Leopard. Leopard wont be replaced until fall 2009. So if you were crazy enough to buy a G5 in August of 2006 (knowing from late 2005 that Apple was dumping PPC) then you will have had your G5 for three years at that point. Apple will continue to support Leopard, its last OS with PPC code, for 2-3 years with security updates. Software vendors will probably ship universal versions of their apps for that long as well, probably longer. So if you bought a G5 in 8/06 it will be 6 years old before Apple wont support it anymore at all? Will it stop running? Not unless it has a hardware problem. I think 6 years is a very long time for a PC of any kind. I have never had one for more than 3-4 max.
lotsamystuff
on Nov 12, 2008
It's so much fun to watch the WinJihadists shoot the messenger...in this case, InfoWorld.
tayme
on Nov 12, 2008
@DRWAM - Ahhh...I was needing to hear more about that laptop. My sister is enjoying her's as well. @mikegalos - If you are not a Mac owner or a person that uses, supports, or develops for OS X, why do you care so much? The same can be said for all of the aggressive Apple fans that love to bash MS. You are as one sided and single minded about this "OS War" as any of those people that you seem to enjoy being arrogant to. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
So, let's summarize the Apple model that Lindy thinks would be a better choice for the 95% of the world that uses Windows. I'm going to take him at his word that he really thinks this is a better model and isn't just saying "I want life for Windows people to suck as much as it does for Mac users" One version of the OS - If there are features you don't need, tough, you get to pay for them no matter what. Only 64-bit releases - if you have a 32-bit processor, tough, buy a new computer No support for older hardware - If your computer wasn't state of the art 3 years ago, tough, buy a new computer. And that's supposed to be better for us than a long support cycle, backward compatibility for both hardware and software and the ability to only buy what we need. Sometimes I wonder if a requirement for being a Mac fan is that you also like hanging around people in black leather hoods and whips. There really is a strong masochism streak deep in there.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 12, 2008
tayme I hate seing lies trumpeted as fact. I hate seeing users get screwed by vendors who lie to them. I hate seeing technology downplayed as less important than fashion. So, why do you care so much?
tayme
on Nov 12, 2008
@mikegalos - I think it has been pretty obvious that I feel that the OS war is completely stupid on both sides. I use and support a variety of Operating Systems on a daily basis, both as a career and a hobby. If people want to spend their money on what they prefer, it is nobody elses business. If they see or perceive value, good for them...regardless of what OS or hardware or color the case is. how is it harming anybody else? Unless you want to live in a socialist or communist society, personal choice and personal responsibility are just that...PERSONAL! --tayme

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