I think I can address the Windows 7 'minor or major' update question now

Over the past year or so, I've written a lot about whether Windows 7 is a major or minor OS release. Microsoft, of course, has claimed that it is a major release, if only for the many user experience enhancements it's made. I've argued that it is, in many ways, a minor release, since the hardware and software compatibility models aren't changing and because Windows 7 is quite clearly Windows Vista 1.5 from a technical standpoint.

So it's cute to have opinions about stuff, but real world experience always beats out pontification. I got my first taste of the extent of the changes in Windows 7 when I started my Windows 7 Feature Focus series last November, and identified almost 60 major feature changes in the OS. Since then, I've documented over 10 of them, and I hope to document the rest before Microsoft ships Windows 7. But this is a big list, and if Apple were marketing it, they could easily turn it into over 300 features.

My bigger comeuppance, so to speak, came with the revision to my Windows Secrets book. The new one, imaginatively titled Windows 7 Secrets, and coauthored by Rafael Rivera, will hopefully ship around the same time as the OS and should be as long (or longer) than its predecessor, Windows Vista Secrets SP1 Edition (about 1,000 pages). I've been writing books for over 15 years, and while I've never been great about keeping to a schedule, this one is already a mess.

The reasons are two-fold. First, there are far more changes in this release than I imagined, which is silly when you consider that I write about Windows 7 virtually every day and have, as noted above, already listed and described about 60 major functional changes. Second, after months of barely-changing builds, Windows 7, suddenly, and unexpectedly, is visibly changing from build-to-build. No, Microsoft isn't making any earth-shattering changes. But they're moving UI elements around. Changing icons and wallpapers. Silently removing and then re-adding features (like Device Stage). All of a sudden, this thing is actually acting like a real Windows beta. It's like the slumbering giant has woken up.

This isn't a big deal for most people, of course. But when you're trying to document the OS, and sign off on finished chapters months before Windows 7 is finalized, it makes for a difficult life. But this difficultly has brought with it a moment of clarity.

Windows 7 is a major release of Windows.

I know this because I am feeling the pain of documenting the changes, both between it and Windows Vista, and between it and Windows XP. I know this because things are suddenly changing again from build-to-build. And because I am now dreading the next 3-4 months, during which time I need to somehow deliver a book about an OS that I'm suddenly not so sure I understand fully enough.

There's a side issue here, of course. And that is the elephant in the room, for me at least: My insistence that Microsoft has eschewed feedback from the earliest days of Windows 7 development and created this thing inside of a cone of Apple-like secrecy. There is no doubt--and Microsoft admits to this, even promotes it--that Windows 7 is being developed in a completely different way than its predecessors. But whether by design or happenstance, it does appear that Microsoft is opening the kimono, a little bit at a time, to feedback, finally. And even though it's coming at a pretty late stage in the game, I do think that the changes I've seen over several post-Beta builds do suggest a subtle warming to external feedback. I should return the favor and admit that I'm seeing it, I think.

So I'm excited and a bit scared by Windows 7. Yeah, I get it, its Windows Vista done right. But it's amazing how much had to change for that to be the case.

Discuss this Article 20

tayme
on Mar 6, 2009
Good post, Paul...Its good to know that you are seeing that the feedback is being listened to, as many here have been noticing for a while now. You really could have left out the cheap shot at Apple...but, I understand...it gets your blog a few more hits. --tayme
kenmcnamee
on Mar 6, 2009
I now agree with describing Windows 7 as a major release. The PDC build definitely felt like a minor release of a warmed-over Vista and the beta I think was still borderline. However, with build 7022 and especially with 7048, WIndows 7 really feels like it now has it's own separate identity from Vista. Maybe not as much as Vista had from XP but it's close.
BrightrevCarl
on Mar 6, 2009
I'm hoping these are simple, cosmetic changes. Making significant changes at this point will lead to delays and a bad product.
danieldecker
on Mar 6, 2009
Or more to the point, "If I don't call Windows 7 a major release, there will be no reason for people to buy my new book..." Just ribbing ya' Paul ;-) Best of luck with the new publication.
rjohn05
on Mar 6, 2009
Good post. I have felt since the beta and reading the engineering 7 blog that it was a major release. I just wish the UI chrome would have undergone an overhaul. I just don't care too much for the Vista look-and-feel. I just don't get why it has not changed much since it changed from Windows 98 to XP and then to Vista. And then they hired that guy from Adobe who created the Adobe Lightroom UI. What the heck has he been working on? At any rate, I am still excited about windows 7 and cannot wait to get a copy.
Lindy
on Mar 6, 2009
To me... Major = new technical features, lots of them. Minor = SS warmed over/gui change. I am sure some web site/blog is going to break it all down once it ships. What is a real change and what is a change to Vista GUI/UI to fix crap people hated. As a small business customer said to me back in December during a Exchange 2007 upgrade "with Vista/2008 did Microsoft just move/change stuff to p!ss people off?". Hopefully when its all said and done people wont fell like 7 moved stuff around just for the hell of it.
panache1023
on Mar 6, 2009
AAAAH, the bias shows up! Changing icons, wallpapers, and fixing crap that was broken...MAJOR RELASE, even though the kernel is getting a "point" bump. No MAJOR KERNEL changes....MAJOR RELEASE. Apple is making MAJOR CHANGES to the kernel...also getting only a "point" bump, but removing a ton of no longer supported code (PPC), a change to 100% 64-bit kernal (finally), including support for openCL and "Grand Central", but it's a MINOR release because Paul doesn't like that the GUI isn't changing enough. Paul continues to prove himself to be a biased joke.
panache1023
on Mar 6, 2009
sorry for the typos, not feeling well today. "kernal" should be "kernel", openCL should be OpenCL..etc.
kenmcnamee
on Mar 6, 2009
panache1023: Whether you think Windows 7 is a minor or major release is probably in the eye of the beholder. And when I say 'beholder' I mean someone that has actually used Vista and the latest builds of Windows 7 extensively. Have you? As for me, I've been using Vista as my main OS since RC0. I tried the PDC build of Win7 and have been using it as my main desktop OS since the beta, then build 7022 and now build 7048. I was one of those people who also initially thought it was a minor release over Vista. However, the more I use Win7 the more it really feels like a major, new OS. It's not quite at the same level but I would almost liken it to moving to Windows 2000 Pro from NT Workstation. It's a slight visual refresh but everything feels like it works the way it should.
subzerohitman721
on Mar 6, 2009
Paul, How in the hell can you be like and I quote " What I'm worried about is a much broader issue, that the Windows team is becoming an Apple-like secretive Iron Wall behind which decisions are made in secret." Then turn around and say "But whether by design or happenstance, it does appear that Microsoft is opening the kimono, a little bit at a time, to feedback, finally." Its almost a bipolar disorder here. Either the process was good, open, and debated or it was proprietary, closed off, and there was no external discussion here. There is no half and half with an OS. Either you're out there seeking advice, opinion, dissent, and discussion or you're not. Microsoft has been talking about Windows 7 openly for a pretty good chunk of 2008 with industry partners, professional, and tech press. Then they followed with an open to the consumers discussion with the beta process. It wasn't Apple's process of a completely closed except to its closest partners. The consumers have no say in what they like or dislike with Apple's OS. Granted, the strengths and weaknesses of these very different process is subject for a debate. However, its very flip-floppy to say "The ends justify the means" to finally they are allowing people to kick around the tires. Most of us who have been both participants and observers in the process have seen this discussion since PDC. The fact that you, Mary-Jo, and Ed have had some discussions based upon your own and user opinion feedback is input that means something. Its quantifiable and it can be measured. The beta now has almost 1 percent of the desktop market. That's pretty significant for a beta. To answer the question, you are correct. Pre-Beta definitely a no. Beta was probably 50/50. Factoring build 7048, it has met the necessary quanitfiable changes to warrent a the label of a "major release." A lot of folks from Mac Users, Linux Users, and Windows users are watching and participating. The buzz is pretty high here and depending on how well the RC is recieved, will really determine the fate of Windows 7. All in all I remain optimistic, however I am judging this one quite seriously.
chuckb84
on Mar 6, 2009
Wow. From the man who has repeatedly mocked every release of OSX as nothing but a "service pack" we get this, "Windows 7, suddenly, and unexpectedly, is visibly changing from build-to-build. No, Microsoft isn't making any earth-shattering changes. But they're moving UI elements around. Changing icons and wallpapers." Lions and Tigers, and Bear, oh my! Changing icons and wallpapers. Where will it END? Here's the deal: Paul has a book to sell. So, suddenly Win7 is a Major Release, just like Microsoft said! I've run Win7 under VMWare on my Mac, and I find it "okay". Not bad, for Windows. Major release? Huh. Looks like Vista with a little more surface buffing. I would like to see one standard for both OSX and Windows from Paul. Goes to that credibility thing, but this is a faint hope.
panache1023
on Mar 6, 2009
Exactly my point chuckb84. kenmcnamee...your point was not lost on me. I'm just pointing out the hypocritical bias of Paul Thurott.
robertsjoe
on Mar 6, 2009
Can't write a post without mentioning Apple?
kenmcnamee
on Mar 6, 2009
panache1023: Sorry, I'm not seeing the hypocritical bias in Paul's post. In the earlier builds of Win7, he stated that he thought it was a minor release. As Win7 has evolved in these later builds, he is now conceding to Microsoft that maybe they are right in calling this a major release. If you think he is more critical of Apple than Microsoft then you obviously haven't been reading his stuff very long. Anyways, I hope you feel better. You should go eat some soup and have a nap. Chuckb84: If you've just tried out Win7 in VMWare on your Mac then you're not using it as your main OS and probably are not upgrading to the latest builds as they become available. My point is that you really can't have an informed opinion on whether Win7 is a major release unless you are depending on it day in and day out. If you're just playing around with it and only see it from the surface then I'm sorry but you're just not informed. That said, I think Paul's reference to the visuals in Win7 as being justification for why it's a major release is unfortunate because it does make it sound like the only changes are the eye candy. However, I also think it's hard to put into words why Win7 feels like a major release and what makes it a much more pleasant experience than Vista. It's definitely not the eye candy because there isn't much more of that than in Vista. P.S. If you use Win7 as your main OS everyday and think that it's only a minor release then that is ok. I can respect an opinion based in extensive hands on experience.
theretoucher
on Mar 6, 2009
Kenmcnamee: My point is that you really can't have an informed opinion on whether Win7 is a major release unless you are depending on it day in and day out. If you're just playing around with it and only see it from the surface then I'm sorry but you're just not informed. So Paul dabbles about on OSX or reads about what's in the next Mac OS and we all have to "respect" his "informed" opinion, give me a break.
kenmcnamee
on Mar 6, 2009
theretoucher: "So Paul dabbles about on OSX or reads about what's in the next Mac OS and we all have to 'respect' his 'informed' opinion, give me a break." It's a good point but I think his experience with OSX amounts to more than just "dabbling about" or reading Apple press releases. I'm sure Paul can correct me but I've heard him say a couple of times that he owns a MacBook and uses it on all of his trips. That said, I come to this site for news/info about Windows. I could care less about the Mac and Mac users.
gorath
on Mar 6, 2009
you could, or couldn't care less? Thw two have polar opposite meanings.
ModernDislocation
on Mar 7, 2009
kenmcnamee:It's a good point but I think his experience with OSX amounts to more than just "dabbling about" or reading Apple press releases. I'm sure Paul can correct me but I've heard him say a couple of times that he owns a MacBook and uses it on all of his trips. That said, I come to this site for news/info about Windows. I could care less about the Mac and Mac users. Paul as pretty much maintained that he uses the MacBook to run Windows. It is pretty obvious from Paul's "reviews" of the Mac OS that he has spent little to no time with it as he often gets pretty basic things incorrect and doesn't understand the features. I like you come here for win info and find the Apple coverage and constant need to work in shots at Apple to be a distraction and take away from the overall quality of the site. I do find it funny when Paul is outraged by Apple's marketing efforts. This from a person who has a book called "Windows Vista Secrets". The book includes such secrets as how to eject a disc, but then I guess "Windows Vista Secrets" sounds more appealing than "How to do basic crap you knew how to do because you owned XP". To bad Paul doesn't hold himself to the same truth in marketing standards as he expects from others.
kenmcnamee
on Mar 7, 2009
gorath: You're probably right. How about this, "I don't care about the Mac.. at all.. not a bit." ModernDislocation: If Paul hardly ever uses OSX then his opinion on that OS obviously holds less weight than his opinion on Windows. But I do think his opinions on all things Microsoft are top notch most of the time, and that is why I frequent this site. That brings me to a question. For all you people who obviously think so little of Paul's opinion, why do you bother coming here? Why waste time reading articles by someone that you don't respect? Why waste even more time commenting on articles written by someone you don't respect? There's some strange bit of psychology going on there that I just don't understand. But, to each his own.
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on Jun 9, 2009
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