I’m lovin’ it: Zune and McDonalds

I made an odd request this morning with my wife, though it was well received by this kids: Let’s go to McDonalds for breakfast. I had an ulterior motive here, of course, and it wasn’t just the thought of having chicken for breakfast: McDonalds offers free wi-fi through Wayport and they’ve worked with Microsoft to provide Zune users with trouble-free connections. (Frankly, it’s unclear what the big deal is here, but I can’t get the Zune to connect to my two wireless networks at home, so what the heck.)

I’ve been working on a lengthy Zune 3 review since last week but there are a few pieces I hadn’t been able to test yet, and wireless access to Zune Marketplace on the device is one of them. Predictably, it’s a great experience, but the real breakthrough is for those who have a Zune Pass monthly subscription: If you do have one, you can stream entire songs and albums over wi-fi to the device, which is pretty exceptional. I listened to bits of a new Lindsey Buckingham album over breakfast and then went retro with some older Adam & the Ants albums while the kids hit the play area in the restaurant.


(typical iPhone photo, sorry)

Increasingly, I feel like Microsoft is on to something here. Yeah, $15 a month is a bit steep (I think $9 is the sweet spot for this kind of thing) but the ability to grab so much music—and, via wi-fi, to stream it on demand—is incredibly compelling. What a great experience.

It’s hard not to think down the road and imagine what the video experience would be like if that were included as part of the Zune Pass. I could see people cancelling their cable subscriptions if they could get enough content via services like Zune Marketplace (or whatever).

Yeah, I still do believe that subscription services are the future of the music industry. And they’re clearly the future, in general, of these digital media platforms.

More in the review….

Oh, and I’ve decided to not wait on the coming switchover to a new content management system on the SuperSite to reorganize the site by content instead of vague sections like reviews, showcases, and so on. It will take a few weeks to get this done, but the first new content-based activity center, for the Zune, is up now at http://www.winsupersite.com/zune. Let me know what you think. I’ll be making something like that for all of the main content types covered on this site, but the real trick is figuring out how to expose that (via a toolbar or menu or whatever) in a way that makes sense. More to come….

Discuss this Article 87

shark47
on Sep 21, 2008
" I don't, at least very often so but there's nothing wrong with eating there once in while as long as you don't live off the stuff." Whiplash, it's the same with Starbucks muffins and croissants and the frappuccinos. They're OK in moderation.
bettieblu
on Sep 21, 2008
I get free wifi, on my Touch, at Starbucks (ATT DSL subscriber) Borders, YMCA while my kids are in swimming lessons, my 92 year old Great Aunts home. Dr. Office, Dentist, Panera Bread co, airports, and my church.
SPiotr
on Sep 21, 2008
@mike galos Yes I read the posts. That's why I am accusing you of being the one to take a healthy thread about Zune, subscription services (and possibly the average Amercian diet) etc. and divert it to the usual 'Cabal' crap. Perhaps some of these threads wouldn't get locked so quickly if you could find something else to talk about.
shark47
on Sep 21, 2008
"I think Google will trump Windows Live almost ever step of the way" No. The right word is "hope". "Wish" would be fine too. I'm sure you also "think" OS X will trump Windows. "I get free wifi, on my Touch, at Starbucks (ATT DSL subscriber) Borders, YMCA while my kids are in swimming lessons, my 92 year old Great Aunts home. Dr. Office, Dentist, Panera Bread co, airports, and my church." Congratulations. Enjoy your Starbucks frappuccinos, mock anyone who eats at McDonalds, and keep convincing yourself that the high horse you find yourself seated on is a figment of your imagination.
bettieblu
on Sep 21, 2008
Shark you ought to write a book "how NOT to win friends and influence people" . Seriously how is it you peg me for a Mac person? I have a Mac, and Windows PC's, more Windows PC's to be exact. I work on Windows Server at work. That is why I have read this site for some years now. Google already is handing it to MS right now in the cloud. With Chrome it looks like they are not stopping either. Google has apps for Windows, OS X and their cloud stuff works on any browser that can run on Linux. Google supports many mobile OS's now. Live will for the most part be MS centric. Mesh looks like it will work with other OS/browsers but I will bet that you will NEED IE to take full advantage of it. Live right now is in catch up mode with Google. My high horse because I mentioned Starbucks. or was it the book store, or my church, the old folks home, oh no maybe it was the YMCA? Yeah all of them are exclusive high society establishments. You have go through an interview process to join the Y:) Mock anyone that eats at McDonalds, no sorry I just said its bad for you to eat there. Please tell me you dont think McDonalds is healthy? Are you not a vegetarian? There is probably a reason you are....oh I dont know because its way more healthy????? Or your squeamish:) Now I got to check my social calendar and see if that next event at Starbucks is black tie or not......
dgrisman
on Sep 21, 2008
Paul: I had problems connecting my Zune 30G to my wrls network standalone, but was able to connect it when I was USB-tethered. Once I got it set up, it continues to work. I am using the venerable WRT54GL with WPA2 AES+TKIP. (At times like this, though, I wish I hadn't listened to Leo's podcasts with Steve Gibson--I've made my PSK too long to be easily entered on the Zune. ) Regardless, I liked the upgrade so much that I bought another, the Blue 8G. Like the touch pad, it's a big improvement. What I really like are the channels-15-20 tracks in various genres, updated weekly by Zune DJs: There are 3 channels of fitness music that are great for the gym-rat in me (especially after treating the kids to McD's). I think that the subscription plans are the best way to get access to music. There's a lot to listen to and the 30 sec previews on iTunes just don't cut it. I have a Rhapsody too. (Zune has a weak classical catalog at this point and Rhapsody does a better job in that genre.) I noticed that Verizon VCast is a venture with Rhapsody. If you can get the entire Rhapsody catalog streaming to your phone, who needs to be loading playlists of MP3s from your computer? Music files were nice early in the decade when they were new. But, keeping them organized is a time-consuming task. I'm beginning to think that keeping files of music that is available elsewhere on the net via subscription is redundant and may be borderline obsessive-compulsive--the exception being that MP3 of a tape of the Grateful Dead concert I attended in October of 1970, altruistically provided by a Deadhead archivist. Things like that are priceless.
DRWAM
on Sep 21, 2008
I have two 7 yr olds and an 8 yr old. We take our skinny little kids to McDonalds once a week. The fries give me gas. I guess that I can use that 'Pull My Finger' iPhone app after all. Too bad the iPhone doesn't have an air freshener attachment:)
shark47
on Sep 21, 2008
"Google already is handing it to MS right now in the cloud. " Yes, if you mean Google search and probably the spam-magnet that is Blogger. Have you checked the usage statistics lately? Google is the one playing catch up in many markets. GMail itself has a long way to go before it catches up to Hotmail. Wishful thinking doesn't substitute for data. "My high horse because I mentioned Starbucks." Yes. You mock master3 for eating at McDonalds. But Starbucks itself is not the healthiest option out there. Have you checked the number of calories in their frappuccinos or their muffins or croissants? You probably have as many healthy options at Starbucks as you do at McDonalds. I am a vegetarian and occasionally eat seafood. The closest I've come to eating at fast food places lately is eating a sub at subway. But I have friends who eat at McDonalds and Wendy's. (One of them is a Mac owner too.) I don't tell them where they should eat. Just like I've made a choice, they've made a choice to eat there. It's their wish. I don't mock them or look down upon them for eating there.
bettieblu
on Sep 21, 2008
I have two 7 year olds and a 4 year old. I take my kids to Rotten Ronnies like 4 times a year, after they beg me for weeks and usually after one of their soccer or baseball games when one of their team mates is coming over to hang out for few hours. I have the lemonade, its 5 calorie and tastes like it. The place just feels like the grease from the fry machines has coated everything in joint. The last time I was there, 3-4 months ago I was shocked to see they had LCD TV's on the wall running the news?? That is probably only in my uppity hood though:):)
bettieblu
on Sep 21, 2008
How long has gmail been out? Hot Mail which MS bought has been around a long time, so yeah they have more users, and will because lots of poeple HATE to change email addresses. I have relatives, that still use AOL for the love of god for that reason. So if its number of mailboxes then yes MS is in the lead. If its features, MS lags. You cant even POP hotmail unless you pay $20 a year. POP sucks in 2008. IMAP for consumers is the way to go, GMAIL is IMAP and it works on any client that can support it. Paul reasoning for using it as his primary email or so he has said on more than a few occasions. I dont mock anyone for eating at McDonalds, tear it up, better you than me. I do mock EVERYONE that tries to defend it as healthy or OK to eat as long as you exercise. Sorry its pure poison and 10 out 10 heart doctors would agree. I am sure from time to time they will have one half way decent salad or whatever that they carry for 6 months, or at least you will hear in the news that they are trying some sort of thing. I have black coffee at Starbucks when I go. Sometimes I splurge and put in some half and half, if my wife is not there. Its had wireless for a long time, at least where I live. They play music in the ones near my house, even sell some I think. Would seem like a much better place for your Zune wifi connection compared to Rotten Ronnie's. I even take my Windows notebook on occasion. Then again maybe the formal dress code is a turn off for some:)
Nickelgreen
on Sep 21, 2008
Again, this discussion came out to be the same boring good (Mac) vs Evil (pc). And for all mac users complaining about unhealthy diets at mcdonald's and showing their disgust for microsoft choosing to offer the zune service i did some live-searching. In one second I found just this article by Ina Fried, dated Noveber 6th, 2003: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1041_3-5103472.html "The New York Post said Thursday that it is not clear how McDonald's would distribute the music, but said an announcement is expected soon. If true, the McDonald's deal would eclipse a pact that Apple announced with PepsiCo to give away 100 million songs early next year. Pepsi plans to offer specially marked 20-ounce and 1-liter bottles during a 60-day day period starting Feb. 1. One in three bottles will have a code good for a free song download." Wait! I know what you will say: "ok, this is the proof Microsoft COPIES Apple..." Why you, guys are so childish?
Lindy
on Sep 22, 2008
Lol nice link from 2003. The fools that went to McNasty to get free songs should be recovering about now. Here is a recent link from her/him.... http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10046542-75.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesAr... Its seems that if free wifi requires an "OK" from a web browser to do the initial connect its a no go for the Zune.
Master3
on Sep 22, 2008
@ Nickelgreen So when can we expect the Apple gang to tell us how unhealthy Pepsi products are? My guess is somewhere around never.
panache1023
on Sep 22, 2008
It was a little bit of frustration.....of course, Shark thinks my attitude is because I am a Mac user....in fact, I only recently bought the Mac, and haven't used that much (believe me, there are more important things in life than computers), but when I do use it, I enjoy it....SO WHAT?! Never did I say I didn't enjoy using Windows.....amazing the assumptions that you NBM zealots make, then tout your OPINION as fact. Hell, I would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think MS's IDEs are top notch...honestly, probably some of the best software MickeySoft produces! So it's not like I don't see the good in MS software (Autocollage is pretty cool too). So don't act like just because I OWN a mac, I feel self righteous, "holier-than-thou" or anything like that....I like using Windows, I am comfortable using Windows, my whole family uses Windows, and I enjoy writing software for Windows...but I ALSO ENJOY THE MAC....uh-oh, you better insult me now! You know nothing about me, or my opinions....Im not the one here spouting out crap about how great MS (or Apple) is such as Shark, Mike Galos, and your ilk.... No Mike Galos, you were WAY off regarding the Ribbon. You are WAY of regarding the Zune...I mean...how many iPods have spoken? How many Zunes? Did Apple strong arm it's way onto the PMP scene? (regardless of what it is doing today, did it get its dominance in PMP through illegal monopolistic practices?) What's amazing is none of you NBMers can admit that there MAY be things out there besides Microsoft that people like to use! MAYBE, just MAYBE people have needs other than corporate needs, or gaming needs, and the Mac suits them just fine? Does that make them bad? Does that make them think they are better than someone who uses Linux or Windows? WHO CARES! IT'S A FREAKING COMPUTER!!!!!! GET OVER YOURSELVES! Half you people act like you know, but have no clue. Mike Galos thinks the Ribbon is a gift to the world...GIVE ME A BREAK! Maybe you need to re-evaluate what is important in life, and on this planet, because THE RIBBON UI is certainly not one of them!
panache1023
on Sep 22, 2008
Oh, and one more thing...these "Im a PC" ads....eh. Oh well, what can you do? But I think it's hysterical that they were created on Macs. And when it got pointed out to you that that was the case, you guys didn't have much to say.....hysterical! You deride the mac, and mac users, talk about how great MS is and how great their software is, and then when they (MS) need to do advertising (but why if the Mac isn't a threat?), they have it done on a Mac, not even their own software! LOL!!! You guys are pathetically funny.
scoobyclub
on Sep 22, 2008
Yes Pepsi is unhealthy, so is Starbucks and so is water if not drunk in moderation. It's all about moderation, McDonalds, in particular, thrives on making people eat more hence "Supersize Me". Did you see how ill Morgan Spurlock became. All ads are deceitful, all promotions are shamelessly trying to get you to buy their product rather than for any more philanthropic reason. Trouble is a large proportion of Joe Public can no longer think for themselves because of this.
Nickelgreen
on Sep 22, 2008
@ Master 3 THAT was my point. I bought yesterday a bottle of Coke on which there are iTunes adds. AND Coke il healthy. Yes, sure... @panache1023 Ads created on macs? And you trust a picture posted on flickr? It's so easy to open it and save it on mac with PS CS3 mac version and add all the info you want. The problem is that these are fakes. The real problem is bad thinking, but, strangely, this "bad thinking" stops often at the same level and does not investigate other options. This is quite bizarre. However, download yourself any picture from the Windows site and I dare you to prove that they're made wih macs. Or do I have to post a video on youtube to prove these things are LAME? How did we come to this point? It's INSANE!
Nickelgreen
on Sep 22, 2008
Oh, by the way, panache (a horrible beverage). The entire "I'm a PC" site is made with Silverlight (just like "mojave experiment" site), so don't fool yourself around by believing blindly every idiocy comes from the web. Now I understand why some researchers are saying that Google is turning people into fools. It's true.
Dipsh t Admin
on Sep 22, 2008
I know we are essentially way off topic, but to chastise people for liking McDonalds, and then offer other suggestions that are nearly as bad/equally as bad/worse is way off base. Subway only wins the calorie war by giving you small portions. A triangle or two of cheese, and some processed cold cuts. I don't see how this is necessarily any better or worse than McDonalds. At the end of the day, all of these are fast food joints, which make certain sacrifices in quality and healthiness to deliver a low price point. And before anyone mentions Panera, check the nutrition facts. You might come away quite surprised about how much closer it is to McDonald's than you think. In either case, I go to most of these establishments, and yes, I'm overweight, so I'm not criticizing. Morgan Spurlock? Eh. I wasn't all that impressed with his "documentary". And his wife is wrapped a little too tight for living. Just glad she is out of the dating pool.
bettieblu
on Sep 22, 2008
Pepsi or all Soda = Poison. A can of pepsi has 10 teaspoons of white sugar in it. Of course Diet Soda is sugar free but its full of some other chemicals that I am sure are good for repelling water on outdoor wood products.
shark47
on Sep 22, 2008
"It was a little bit of frustration.....of course, Shark thinks my attitude is because I am a Mac user...." Maybe it's not the Mac then. It's probably just you. Once again, you're behaving exactly like the people you criticize. "Borg"? "MickeySoft"? And then you go after Mike for supposedly talking about the "iCabal". You seem so eager to cast the first stone. Go take a good look in the mirror. You're turning into the very people you mock. "Im not the one here spouting out crap about how great MS (or Apple) is such as Shark, Mike Galos, and your ilk...." OK. So "spouting out" crap about how much M$ sucks doesn't count, I guess. I don't care about whether MS is great or not. All I care about is whether it's good enough for me and it is. If you read my posts, you'll know that I've spoken out against the ribbon interface popping up in all windows 7 applications, whether necessary or not. I am also not a big fan of the way Microsoft has handled Zune. So, lets see what you've done here. You've stereotyped me in the samemanner that you claim I've stereotyped you. So, cut out this self-righteous BS. You're no better or no worse than all the people you mock here. "WHO CARES! IT'S A FREAKING COMPUTER!!!!!! GET OVER YOURSELVES!" The same goes for you. Why don't you cut your partisan hackery and practice what you preach for once?
bettieblu
on Sep 22, 2008
@Nickelgreen http://www.macworld.com/article/135659/2008/09/microsoft_ads.html Why is it so hard to believe that some of the MS ads are made on a Mac? Macs dominate the advertising, photo and movie industry. Despite the fact you think Macs are not used professionally. I bet MS outsources lots of that stuff. Do you think if they outsource they demand the firms you PC's. More importantly why does it matter? Use the best tool for the job. I would never pick one vendor over the other. Best in class. Point in case. I would in a huge Windows Server shop, over 15,000 windows servers. We however use VMware to virtualize because its the best in class, even compared to the new offerings from MS.
shark47
on Sep 22, 2008
Dipsh - good point. Most people don't realize that it's not just the usual suspects - Mcdonalds, Wendy's, or BK. Starbucks, Subway, Panera, Olive Garden, etc. are full of unhealthy options too. I know a lot of people who think everything at Trader Joe's or Whole Foods or Wild Oats is healthy because it's all ORGANIC.
Master3
on Sep 22, 2008
"Oh, and one more thing...these "Im a PC" ads....eh. Oh well, what can you do? But I think it's hysterical that they were created on Macs." If they were, so what? Maybe you should be laughing at the "superior" Mac users that had to work to create ads for the "evil", "hated" Microsoft. I bet they had to cry themselves to sleep at night! bwahahahahahahaa! whatever... " And when it got pointed out to you that that was the case, you guys didn't have much to say.....hysterical! You deride the mac, and mac users, " No, we "deride Apple fanatics, Mac users that use debunked talking points, stereotypes, and propaganda from the same. "talk about how great MS is and how great their software is," Go figure. How dare us! Dont we know how really awful it is? /sarcasm " and then when they (MS) need to do advertising (but why if the Mac isn't a threat?), " Because companies need to take care of their brand name, especially when company B, and their tech media allies, have made it their mission to smear your name, products, and services 24/7. "they have it done on a Mac, not even their own software!" They hired an ad agency, that does good work, that HAPPENS to use Apple products, just like Apple used machines running Windows in their Apple Stores. So what was your point again? "You guys are pathetically funny." And you are just plain pathetic.
shark47
on Sep 22, 2008
Is it even a big deal that Macs were used for creating those ads? I know it's a big deal for faux news sites like Gizmodo and Engadget because it gets them lot of views and comments. Did they expect MS to go with the best available ad agency for their needs or one that used Windows PCs? "Your ads suck but you use PCs. Here's a check for $300 mn." Or they could've probably forced them to use PCs and spent money buying PCs and software and training people. Yes.
scoobyclub
on Sep 22, 2008
"Or they could've probably forced them to use PCs and spent money buying PCs and software and training people. Yes." That's the usual M.O. No-one really cares what they were made on outside of a very small, very geeky and very sad community.
Nickelgreen
on Sep 22, 2008
@bettieblu Please, come on! I felt forced to do this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSlcrlI22ho Have fun :-)
subzerohitman721
on Sep 22, 2008
While I certainly don't rank McDonald's anywhere in my top 10 favorite places to eat, I can certainly understand the logic of hooking up with the world's largest fast food chain. Its easy advertising since more often than not, many more people go to McDonald's. I also find it hilarious people McDonald's bashing, when I'm sure at least 1 time in the year, probably a good majority of people on this board has visited McDonald's at least once. (Even if you pop in for a drink or a snack, it counts as a visit.) Its ubiquitous in many Westernized nations and even places as far as Moscow and Beijing have embraced the Big Mac attack. Starbucks isn't quite the brand it used to be. When Dunkin Donuts is making a comeback at the buck's expense, thats when you know that your formula needs to be reworked. Yes I know Starbucks is still the world's largest coffeehouse. However, with them now 600 stores less and more employees gone, the market has adjusted to Starbucks. Everyone has knockoffs of coffee cheaper and tearing into Starbuck's domain. Just about every coffee house now offers free wifi and similar services. Unless they join the pack and revamp, I don't see how much longer Starbucks holds that spot. Just think about this question. Would you not advertise to a place where 47 million people daily visit? Of course you would. It makes sense. Making the Zune services available here will create new Zune customers who will see this. Especially if Microsoft is smart enough to advertise the subscrption service in the stores. Everyone has to eat, whether they want to admit it or not. Sometimes when your short on cash and you need to eat, McDonald's is your solution. My kids love it. Also this nonsense about things being bad for you. We all do things that are bad for us. I could argue that voting Republican could be bad for you. I could argue that sex is bad for you. I could argue that the bluetooth headset is bad for you. Yet we do it anyways. Its human nature. Besides, even if you don't buy them, everyone asks for chicken mcnuggets. LOL. This is a smart thing, but it could be better. If they allow McDonald's to give away like free subscriptions and things, this could work.
chuckb84
on Sep 22, 2008
Interesting thread. Mac and Starbucks vs. Zune and McDonalds. There are so MANY ways to have fun with that, but I'm not gonna do it :). The whole elitist (Starbucks) vs. the "common man" (McDonalds) is overdone. It's not like there's a competition! Does anyone scratch their head and say, "Gee, what'll it be today? Starbucks? Or McDonalds?" Doubtful. The target audiences are non-overlapping. And Mikes line is pretty funny, "Microsoft is providing services that work where people actually spend their lives". That's sure a good idea for a company, but I have to agree with bettyblu: I don't know anyone that hangs out at McDonalds. Remember, it's called "fast" food. Everyone I see there just wants cheap food fast and then they're gone. Not a hang out kinda place. So the idea of "providing services that work where people actually spend their lives" is a good one, but using McDonalds as an example is a remarkably poor execution of that idea-----Microsoft in a nutshell. The tiny piece of a technical argument in this thread is about free wifi. That's becoming ubiquitous. Usually, when I carry my iPod Touch, wifi is available and the trick is to choose the best of the many open networks. So, not much of an argument there and the availability of wifi is only going to improve.
DRWAM
on Sep 22, 2008
MASTER, DEFINITELY MS SHOULD IMPROVE IT'S BRAND NAME. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. OOPS CAPS! Subzero, another point is that where would you rather have your kids located, sharing music at McD's or on the street? Obviously MD is the better choice, IMO. Also, DD and Startbucks is OK for the elite or people willing to spend more money than needed for a coffee or snack, but kids would rather bu y McD's and have some money to buy songs that they like when they share. Again, this is a smart move, IMO. I'm hungry. Oh, and today, I'm a PC, actually 3 PC's. This 2,00o sq ft PET/CT suite is staffed by one guy and has 3 workstations in one room. The other docs are accross the hall working hard while I blog!
panache1023
on Sep 22, 2008
Shark, I wasn't stereotyping you or anyone...you did assume my attitude came from the fact that I own a Mac, when in fact my attitude comes from obnoxious remarks like "Dear Leader" from Mike Galos as he criticizes the iCabal...Hell, i had no problem with you at all until you jumped up and started saying your negative crap about me, when all I can't stand is the rants of Mike Galos (but when he's right, he's right....but so often he's wrong....Ribbon gift to the world....please)...Again shark, I am practicing what I preach...I use what is good for me...BOTH WinBLOWS and CRAPPLE have stuff that works well for what i need and / or want...I am not the one saying "MS -> !00% good, Apple and all its users are smarmy and wrong" such as Mike Galos....it's not about the computers, it's about his crap attitude as if someone LIKING a MAC is a person attack on his religious beliefs....it's nauseating! Hell, I don't care about Microsoft good or bad, the same I don't care about Apple good or bad...Apple has some good products that I own...Microsoft does as well...I have an XBOX 360, never got a RROD...I happen to LIKE the term "MickeySoft" because I think it sounds funny...wasn't meant as a critcism....the BORG term was but that is due to their corporate behavior and nothing to do with the products they release. @NickelGreen... Beautiful home country you live in! Just went to Italy the Summer...best trip of my life! @Master3.. you are almost as bad as Mike Galos....Stop acting like every piece of code MS has written is a gift to computers and their users...just as every software company, MS has produced some pretty steaming piles of turd!
Master3
on Sep 22, 2008
"I don't know anyone that hangs out at McDonalds. Remember, it's called "fast" food. Everyone I see there just wants cheap food fast and then they're gone. Not a hang out kinda place. So the idea of "providing services that work where people actually spend their lives" is a good one..." Ok...Who are you? You don't know anyone that hangs out at McDonalds? Fine. How many people do you even know? And how snotty can you be to think that your narrow little circle of friends can remotely be extrapolated out to the ENTIRE population. I dont know anyone that gets coffee from Starbucks. Does that mean the promotions that Apple runs with them is stupid too? Does not my circle of friends not going there extrapolate out to represent the general coffee drinking population as well? ", but using McDonalds as an example is a remarkably poor execution of that idea-----Microsoft in a nutshell." Which makes no sense and is again nothing more than MS does A, and thus some people AUTOMATICALLY say it's stupid. That's all this boils down too.
bettieblu
on Sep 22, 2008
@Nicklegreen Hope you did not spend a lot of time on your Yout Tube project? http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/19/microsofts-im-a-pc-ads-created-... "When LuisDS checked on the photos again this morning after publishing the metadata details on Flickr last night, he found that Microsoft has scrubbed the revealing details from the work, an effort that also resulted in the 272 KB photo ballooning to 852 KB." There is a pic showing the files, time/date/size. However I am sure you will say that is made up.
shark47
on Sep 22, 2008
bettie, does this really matter to anyone except for gossip sites like Gizmodo and MS-bashing sites like Roughly Drafted? If you want, you can spin it the other way too: it's a sad day for Mac fans when Macs are being used to sell PCs. Yes, it would probably be ironic if the ads were about how much Macs sucked. They're not. The ads are about the number of places that PCs are used in. Apparently the ad agency is not one of them.
tayme
on Sep 22, 2008
Again...WOW. This is pathetic. People on both sides are completely off thier rockers here. HEy...I use a PC, a Mac, several other OSes as well. I eat at Perkins, Subway, Bob Evans, Waffle House, some fine local eateries, and home. I drink coffee from Starbucks, Einsteins Bagels, vending machines, Folgers, and others. I lsten to music on a Zune, XM Radio, FM Radio, VH1, CMT, the occasional iPod, etc. But htis thread has gone completely haywire!!! YOU PEOPLE NEED LIVES!!! --tayme
bettieblu
on Sep 22, 2008
Shark I dont care save for the fact that Nicklegreen said it was fake when it was not. In fact I said.... "More importantly why does it matter? Use the best tool for the job."
WebGuy3000
on Sep 22, 2008
God bless you Tayme. I was thinking the same thing. For Microsoft to hook into the free wifi that the near ubiquitous McDonalds restaurants offer is smart - a no brainer really. To criticize it because McD's food is unhealthy (duh!) is just silly. And on the "Macs-used-to-export-images-for-Windows-ad" brouhaha - again, Duh! Ad Agency Uses Macs! Film at 11! Must be Tempest in a Teapot Week here at the ole Supersite.

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