Live Mesh: It's Alive!

Because I use and recommend the ever-in-beta Live Mesh service from Microsoft, I get a lot of questions about it, and how I use it. But with Microsoft not updating its Live Mesh blog since last summer, fears have grown that Microsoft had given up on one of its best offerings. Fortunately, Mary Jo Foley, writes, that's not the case: And it looks like a major Live Mesh update is on the way.

One of the questions about Microsoft I get most often is whatever happened to Live Mesh ... I've tried asking quite a few Softies — even Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie, who made Live Mesh his pet project — to no avail.

Look what surfaced over on LiveSide.Net. On February 22, LiveSide posted a bunch of new screen shots and information about some of the long-awaited Windows Live Wave 4 services. Live Mesh — which may be renamed officially to Windows Live Sync, according to Liveside's information — is what I found most interesting.

LiveSide’s new information indicates that the current Live Sync (the product formerly known as FolderShare) is going to be replaced by Live Mesh, aka the new Windows Live Sync. (Yeah, naming complexity continues to plague the Windows Live team...) The old Live Sync could handle P2P sync only and didn't support Live Desktop/cloud storage, so it needed to go.

Here's how Live Mesh is going to work once it’s delivered as part of the Windows Live Wave 4 family, according to LiveSide:

"Windows Live Sync has gotten a complete revamp, pretty much dumping the old FolderShare interface and [becoming] a new ... piece of software in itself. As the client-side [front-end] for Windows Live Devices, Sync will allow you to [synchronize] files between devices and SkyDrive, as well as providing remote access to your PCs over the internet. Perhaps the most interesting piece of news is that Windows Live Sync will also support synchronization of your program settings ... allowing you to [synchronize] your Internet Explorer settings between two or more computers."

This is all very good news. A couple of points here.

Ray Ozzie's decision to let Microsoft pursue separate Live Mesh and Live Sync strategies, where each service had 80 percent overlapping functionality, was bad, because it was confusing for companies and stretched resources too thin. So combining them makes sense, however belated this is. (And of course there are other things, like SkyDrive and even MyPhone, that overlap in other ways as well. Let's get all this stuff centralized, please.)

Using Live Mesh (or whatever it will be called) to sync settings between computers is a great first step to a "settings in the cloud" feature where you set up a new computer, log into your Windows Live ID online, and then have all your custom settings blasted down the PC, negating the need to hand-configure new setups. This will be a boon to people like me, who set up new PCs all the time. But it should also be welcome news to all computer users, since this process is fraught with complexity and a time waster, no matter how infrequently you do it. It will also make the process of just starting over less painful, and thus more frequent for regular users too.

I'm excited about this, because I use and rely on Live Mesh, and was worried that the company was being far too quiet about its plans. MIX'10, which happens in about three weeks in Las Vegas, is obviously the ideal time for Microsoft to announce its plans for Windows Live Wave 4 and Live Mesh's future, so that's probably when the official reveal will occur.

Discuss this Article 60

fzanes
on Feb 24, 2010
I've been playing with Mesh for a while now, and I really like how it works. Yet every time I mention it to one of my co-workers their reaction is always the same...they all have fear over security concerns. I have to admit that it does feel strange having machines "hooked together" like that via the internet, but to see so many people question the security of it makes me think that cloud computing still has a long way to go before people really embrace it.
Andreas J
on Feb 24, 2010
It's about time they integrate with SkyDrive. Can't wait!
jctierney
on Feb 24, 2010
I've been using Live Mesh for quite some time now. It simplifies so much of my day-to-day file transfers. It's also great for backup, as Paul mentioned, which is great for me because I frequently reinstall/install Windows on different computers and this, along with a couple other "cloud" based services that I use, makes the process so much quicker and simpler. @fzanes I get the same response from people that I recommend it to. It's a shame really, because I've never had any security issues with online data (that I can recall anyways). I probably wouldn't recommend it to someone who needs ultra-secure file storage, but the average Joe should have no problem.
gfryesc1
on Feb 24, 2010
meh, the dropbox sync client, itunes home sharing, and windows7 homegroups have been addressing these needs in the constant vacuum of live mesh's 'promise' for quite some time.
panache1023
on Feb 24, 2010
LiveMesh is very cool in theory. I had some issues with it in practice, relatively minor though. I am looking forward to when they get this working closer to 100% as it's very cool. I am also looking forward to them picking a freaking name for this stuff and just sticking with it!
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
I love, love love dropbox.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
Here is a negative to Live Mesh: "As far as I can tell, Live Mesh doesn’t have plans to support a revision system like DropBox. I think this is a horrible, horrible mistake. Having a file on multiple machines provides nice redundancy, yet if you accidentally delete a file on one computer, Live Mesh will happily delete every copy of it." http://www.ytechie.com/2009/02/convenient-synchronization-with-mesh-and-...
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
One of the biggest things that will make WL Wave 4 better than other web services is not having inline ads in personal videos. That's the point where YouTube has nearly become unusable because of Google.
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
@Ocean: "if you accidentally delete a file on one computer, Live Mesh will happily delete every copy of it" Wrong. Files deleted from Mesh-synced folders will still go to the local Recycle Bin on that PC.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"Files deleted from Mesh-synced folders will still go to the local Recycle Bin on that PC." Sigh. True or False: Live Mesh has a file revisioning system
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 24, 2010
"Yeah, naming complexity continues to plague the Windows Live team..." Understatement of the year. IT people have a hard enough time keeping up with the Microsoft name changing game/many, many versions of the same thing. Consumers at this point, if they even care, are hopelessly lost. "I love, love love dropbox" Ditto. NOTHING compares to its flexibility.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 24, 2010
@Wae.... http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TechnicalPresentationsBePreparedForAbsolut... Go down to this heading "Your Presentation Has Been Deleted". Sure his partner that moved the file had a copy on his machine, but the guy doing the presentation was efffffe'd because of no revision system.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
Rode-- good thing they recovered. Dropbox is a lot more lightweight too. Paul says he likes it for the built in remote desktop capabilities...but thats never been a huge deal for me.
MSSmallBizSpecialist
on Feb 24, 2010
I could not disagree more that FolderShare needs to die. While Live Mesh is great and I've used it from day one I do not want Live Mesh on Corporate machines however I may have need of a file transfer mechanism such as is found in Live Mesh. This is where FolderShare/Live Sync works perfectly and solves a problem many business users have. Example: Home Building company outsources their CAD/Plans to a third party located a few hundred miles away. They need to get those files from the designer ASAP but do it in the easiest way possible that requires no special go here to download that or install this to get that crap. Simple solution is to setup FolderShare with a shared Folder on the Desktop of the remote user and one internal user. The Internet user can then receive those very large files without having to do a thing and we have not setup another potential security risk by allowing remote connectivity or remote desktop access. Sorry but I think your thinking way to much on how you (Paul) use the products and not how others are using them.
jan.petter.holmberg
on Feb 24, 2010
What about WHS suport or just network paths.
fzanes
on Feb 24, 2010
@jctierney The scenario I always hear is: What if a virus drops infected files in a synced folder on one machine, then all the machines that are set-up to synch will also get it. I guess it's a possible scenario, but you just have to trust the people using the machines within your mesh I guess. I still use it all the time, and it works great for what I use it for. I really think that's what's important here. People get so caught up in the "Brand" of the tool they are using, when what really matters is "does it work for you?"
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
'what really matters is "does it work for you?"' Dropbox does. http://www.getdropbox.com
fzanes
on Feb 24, 2010
@Ocean Ok, dropbox works for you, that's great. Mesh works for me, and I have no other needs at this point so why would I change? Unlike you I don't get caught up with the Brand. You have a stange compulsive aversion to Microsoft products that makes you look silly. They are just tools man, they don’t define you.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"You have a stange compulsive aversion to Microsoft products that makes you look silly." Not at all. I really like MS products and have expressed that several times here.
GoodThings2Life
on Feb 24, 2010
@Ocean, 1) You've never said anything remotely resembling a "favorable" opinion of anything Microsoft here that I've read (granted, I usually get bored with you 2-3 posts into the comments, and I don't waste the time to follow-up). 2) I do agree that revision history is important which is one reason I don't use it (in addition to not using SkyDrive for storage). However, it works great for a lot of people already, and the bigger point here is that it's not even officially "1.0" technology yet. I expect it to come in the future as the teams integrate and become more mature. As such, I see no reason to slam the service in the areas where it meets a need... and where it doesn't, I'd use an alternative. Nothing wrong with that at all. Where did the world go wrong that we think our idea is the only right one with technology? Product A does this, and Product B does that... which one suits your need? OK, use it!
EricoF3
on Feb 24, 2010
Yes ... But the real problem is we need a Win7 integration of Live Mesh and Sky drive... Personally, if Microsoft don't integrate it in Window7 explorer I will keep with Dropbox...
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"You've never said anything remotely resembling a "favorable" opinion of anything Microsoft here that I've read" I use a MS operating system everyday. Until recently, I used a windows mobile phone. Although I may purchase an iPad, my home will never be Microsoft-less. In fact, that iPad will be my first non-MS PC.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"As such, I see no reason to slam the service" I've not done that.
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
@Ocean, rrode: Live Mesh doesn't do cloud-hosted file revisioning, but then, Office Live Workspace does. Office Live Workspace is designed for hosting Office files and is entirely stable (for years, being based on SharePoint technologies), while Live Mesh is in beta. Which one should they have used in a production environment? I suggest you both rethink your IT discussions with intelligent points to begin with.
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
*I was referring to the issue where someone lost a PowerPoint document because someone else had access to it.
EricoF3
on Feb 24, 2010
THe problem in the last version of Live mesh it is the explorer integration was useless with desktop refresh at all 5 seconds and with a useless right bar when you open a live mesh folder... Microsoft! We need a simple Live mesh desktop integration like dropbox... something light and that we can forget... And that is invisible... Please keep it simple!!
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"We need a simple Live mesh desktop integration like dropbox... something light and that we can forget... And that is invisible" Ya, you know, because we don't wanna know when files are on other computers that may or may not be shared with other people....
tayme
on Feb 24, 2010
I tend to agree with Waethorn on this one. I have used Live Mesh...and I like it for what it is. It is not intended to be a version control tool. I also like knowing that I am putting data in the cloud and that it may or may not be secure(that is a different discussion). At one time, I was using Live Mesh on a couple of Vista PCs and a Mac, and it worked great. Like others have said above, if the tool meets your needs, why p!ss and moan about the other available tools. Just keep on doing what you are doing, and maybe look at the competition to see if it meets your needs more thoroughly...unless of course, you are a simple minded brand loyalist. --tayme
Backup77
on Feb 24, 2010
This update to live mesh is not a minute too soon, I was begining to wonder if was ever going to be finalised. There is a lot to like about it. I am also interested in checking out dropbox as a comparison.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"Office Live Workspace does. " But thats not a sync tool. The point is, this is an oversight on MS' part, and they'll end up correcting it. "Microsoft! We need a simple Live mesh desktop integration like dropbox... something light and that we can forget... And that is invisible... Please keep it simple!!" This.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"I am also interested in checking out dropbox as a comparison. " The word is out. My job is done. :)
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"This update to live mesh is not a minute too soon, I was begining to wonder if was ever going to be finalised." ....still isn't. But it will be, RSN! "Like others have said above, if the tool meets your needs, why p!ss and moan about the other available tools." I'd like to take this time and point out that Dropbox only supports 2GB for free, while Office Live Workspace is 2.5 times the size.... ;) I should also point out to Ocean and rrode that Dropbox is a beta application. That is enough to keep it out of respectable IT toolboxes for the near future.
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"But thats not a sync tool." The execution may be different, but the goal is the same.
EricoF3
on Feb 24, 2010
Hoo!! I just try the latest Live Mesh version and now it is great!! Do you think that Microsoft will merge SkyDrive and LiveMesh?? I have 25Gb in SkyDrive I hope they will convert it in live mesh!!
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 24, 2010
"I should also point out to Ocean and rrode that Dropbox is a beta application." Lol so is mesh, so was Vista, so was Office 2007 until SP2.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"Dropbox is a beta application." Only because they haven't removed the label. Its in wide use, and has been for a long time. "The execution may be different, but the goal is the same." No, I can't install an app from portableapps,com on Office Live Workspace and then have it automatically available for use anywhere I have sync setup. No can do.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 24, 2010
"Do you think that Microsoft will merge SkyDrive and LiveMesh??" If they do they wont use either name, it will be something new like "LiveMagicDrive" just to confuse consumers into not using the products and piss off the shareholders. Par for the course.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
Wikipedia: "As the Internet has allowed for rapid and inexpensive distribution of software, companies have begun to take a more loose approach to use of the word "beta"." "In the context of Web 2.0, people even talk of perpetual betas to signify that some software is meant to stay in beta state. Also, "beta" is sometimes used to indicate something more like a release candidate " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"It's kind of an arbitrary thing," Page said. "We could take beta off all of our products tomorrow, and we wouldn't actually have accomplished anything...If it's on there for five years because we think we're going to make major changes for five years, that's fine. ********It's really a messaging and branding thing.***********" http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-141230.html
DRWAM
on Feb 24, 2010
I've been using Mesh for a while on XP, Vista and Leopard/Snow Leopard. It is really useful to me. NOw that I can store stuff on my iPhone with Documents To Go, I need Mesh a little less. But when I need a file ASAP, Mesh provides it faster than emailing with Documents To Go. The Live services remind me of a free version of MobileMe. Maybe Zune Music integration will be next. I wish that the was an app for Mesh and Live services on the iPhone.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"Lol so is mesh, so was Vista, so was Office 2007 until SP2." So is the web app running the spam application that generated the email message with the link that provided you with your IT credentials. @Ocean, rrode: You've both proven your 1337 IT skillz, time and time again. Beta applications aren't relevant to enterprise IT, and that's probably why most "web 2.0" services, OSS advocates, and "creative developers" (read: amateur Apple users that think they know anything about IT) use it. Sorry, but you lose. @Ocean: Showing that there's an iPhone app for Dropbox proves MY point, not yours.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
I wasn't trying to prove a point. You expressed a need, I expressed one way to solve it. The word 'beta' has devolved to be a marketing term. Most savvvy IT shops recognize that.
DRWAM
on Feb 24, 2010
Ocean, I thought that you were showing me the app, but mistakenly typed Wae. Anyway, thank you. That app is free, so I downloaded it and will keep it around. I have back up copies in multiples, so this will serve as another method of storing my 104 Nuclear Medicine protocols on line, as well as schedules and various dictation templates and crib notes. Doc
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 24, 2010
@Wae you build w/shite box desktops for consumers in Canada, WTF do you know about enterprise IT....nothing. You prove this every time you post. FYI Mesh or any Live product is NOT an enterprise tool. I am also pretty sure Ocean or I did not ever say dropbox was an enterprise tool. Now run along, they day is almost over and I hear in Canada Rotten Ronnies runs a 2 for 1 crap burger special on Wednesdays. I would not want you miss out. Dont forget to bring you Zune so you can get free wifi and squirt all over the person next to you.
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"The word 'beta' has devolved to be a marketing term. Most savvvy [sic] IT shops recognize that." No. "savvy" is what amateur Mac users call supposed IT people for choosing their at-home platform of choice for the enterprise. Anybody with any IT sense knows that "beta" doesn't belong in the same sentence as another term. That other term is "production environment". (Sorry losta, you can't say I put them in the same sentence. :-p ) BTW, Ocean: Savvy people know how to spell savvy. Note to losta: Savvy people know how to spell savvy without relying on an inline spell checker too.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"Ocean, I thought that you were showing me the app, but mistakenly typed Wae. Anyway, thank you. " You're welcome. Why is Wae so touchy today?
Waethorn
on Feb 24, 2010
"you build w/shite box desktops for consumers in Canada, WTF do you know about enterprise IT" Actually, we have a very successful server and IT consulting arm of our business as well. Our split is about 60/40 for consumer/business. "Mesh or any Live product is NOT an enterprise tool....I am also pretty sure Ocean or I did not ever say dropbox was an enterprise tool." Hey, YOU'RE the one that brought up a business case for Windows Live Mesh with your example. And then you brought up Dropbox as a replacement. So what is it? Are you apologizing for bringing up the wrong example? Or are you apologizing for your suggested replacement for the wrong type of customer (which you've shown to do many times before, which I'm sure tayme would back me on)? BTW: You're getting defensive for no reason. Live Mesh IS an IT tool - it's a part of the Azure services platform, so you can go ahead and apologize for getting that wrong too. "they day is almost over and I hear in Canada Rotten Ronnies runs a 2 for 1 crap burger special on Wednesdays" I can get a McDonalds Angus burger made from real Alberta Angus beef, with real cheddar cheese, lettuce, tomato, and mayo on a real Ciabatta bun. In the US, the Angus burger is made from reconstituded Angus beef with twice the fat, on a lame sesame seed bun with processed cheese (that's what the rest of the world calls "American cheese", because that's what it is) and is sold as a "1/3rd pounder", making it encompass the characteristic of "obese American". Face it: we've built a better mouse trap. The difference is, we don't use the mouse in our burgers.
Ocean
on Feb 24, 2010
"reconstituded Angus beef" Is this the same poster that ripped me for putting one too many v's in savvy?

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