Microsoft job listings reveal Zune expansion plans

Todd Bishop serves up some interesting information about Microsoft’s Zune plans:

"Zune Services is building an entertainment store for a wide range of Zune clients or 'tuners,' " reads a Dec. 2 posting for a Web services development job. "Today these tuners include the Windows PC client, the Zune web site and the Zune device; in the future there will be more. Each of these tuners access a set of rich web services implemented by Zune and soon by Musiwave as well."

"The Zune organization is making a strategic change from a 3rd party content provider to in-house," reads a Dec. 2 posting for a software development job in Microsoft's Musiwave subsidiary. "We need to rebuild, re-architect, and revitalize a content ingestion pipeline that powers the entire Zune business. And we have a very short time to do it."

i.e. this needs to be ready for the Fall 2009 Zune (4) update.

But wait, there’s more … A Zune Xbox?

Blogger Matt Rosoff … found another Zune listing that refers to a "Zune Xbox" -- evidence that the company will connect it digital music initiative and video-game console in new ways.

"The Zune Design team seeks a visual designer who is passionate about software design, software innovation and consumer entertainment experiences," reads the Oct. 21 posting for a user experience designer. "We are looking for a strong, collaborative designer to work closely with the creative directors to propose innovative designs and content solutions for the Zune Device UI, Zune Xbox and Zune PC Application."

So. What’s a “Zune Xbox.” Here’s my guess: All you have to do is look at the paltry music, photos, and movie playback experiences that still exist for the Xbox 360 in the new UI (New Xbox Experience) to quickly realize they’re in drastic need of updating. Putting the Zune UI on the Xbox 360 as the UI for digital media (alongside Media Center, I guess) makes perfect sense. In fact, when you consider that virtually the entire Xbox 360 dashboard was replaced as part of the NXE—except for the digital media playback bits—it’s pretty obvious.

If true, I can’t wait. This is one case were symbiosis just makes sense: The Xbox controller is not much of a replacement for a traditional remote control, but if you look at what’s possible with just a Zune Pad and a few buttons on a typical Zune device, you can see, too, that making that UI work on the Xbox 360 will be child’s play.

Discuss this Article 28

tayme
on Dec 19, 2008
Good stuff! I am a fan of the Zune and the subscription model that the Zune Pass offers. I can't wait to see what is coming...hopefully a Zune client for WinMo will be very soon! It seems lately as if MS is trying to play the game of baiting the public with little tidbits of info to drum up enthusiasm. --tayme
subzerohitman721
on Dec 19, 2008
Very good stuff indeed! Something to keep a long term eye on and we'll know by this time next year.
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
Is there a market for any of this stuff? The Amazon music store has been a miserable failure as a business. Who is asking for this?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Dec 19, 2008
Well, the Zune and XBox teams are in the same org at Microsoft and are both scheduled to be on the same campus in the long-term build-out plan...
DarkSages
on Dec 19, 2008
Ocean "Is there a market for any of this stuff? The Amazon music store has been a miserable failure as a business. Who is asking for this?" Ocean if you rather pay 99c a song and get low quality DRM music from iTunes that you never really own keep doing it. For the rest of us that will rather pay the same price for higher quality DRM free music we will buy from Amazon or anyone else who offers it to us. Who is asking for this? ME and many many others, whats stoping Amazon and other DRM free music stores to thrive? iPods, most people don't know that the music they "buy" from iTunes is not really theirs to keep for ever. I lost over $200 dollars because I keep moving my music around many computers and I was locked out of it . I called apple and they said to bad buy it again. The average user will not find out that they have lost their music collection until years after they "purchased" it because most of them keep one computer for a long time. Ask your mom if she knows how to unauthorized her itunes account on her computer so she can move her music. If your computer crashes the one license is also gone.
Sevenmack
on Dec 19, 2008
Why does anyone bother talking about Ocean? He is what he is. That is all from me. As for the Zune store: Love it. My fiancee just got me a Zune for Christmas (yes, been peeking around for the gifts) and I can't wait to play with it. Gives me a chance to finally replace my wonderful and solidly built iRiver H10. I must also agree with DarkStages. I have bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of iTunes music and videos before I got my most recent Toshiba. I was able to burn the music onto disks and then convert to MP3s and WMAs; but the videos are still on DRM lockdown. Sucks. Luckily I can still watch them via my media center, but the idea of buying the temporary right to play the songs instead of the right to play, burn and share the music (which is what we can do when we get MP3s and DRM-free WMAs) is ridiculous. This is why I don't have an iPod of any kind. I don't know how well or poorly Amazon is doing in music sales; chances are, if it is doing poorly, it's because it also doesn't have the ties to the hardware that Apple has through iPod and M'Soft would have through Zune and Windows Media. Zune will definitely get my business once I open my gift next week. Apple, on the other hand, won't.
tayme
on Dec 19, 2008
@Sevenmack - You'll like the Zune...I like the subscription based service of Zune Pass. I don't need to burn any of the songs to CD, I just connect the Zune to the car stereo, home theater, etc to listen. Now that they are giving, yes giving, me 10 free songs per month, that is even better. If I want to use the songs in a slideshow or something, I can just use one of the freebies to get the non-DRM mp3 and use it as I want. By the way...do you have your *Surprise* face ready for Thursday morning??? --tayme
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
>>if you rather pay 99c a song and get low quality DRM music from iTunes<< Who said anything about iTunes? I said Amazons download business is a failure as a business. Technically speaking, it has a lot going for it.
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
>>Sevenmack - You'll like the Zune<< You guys are going to be like Apple fans...in the minority declaring how much better/how great your product is. Ironic, no?
tayme
on Dec 19, 2008
@Ocean - Nope...If people want to use an iPod or Zen or any other player, I am fine with that. I just outlined what I like about Zune and did not chastise others for thier selection. --tayme
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
My point is that iPod=Windows MacOS=Zune
johnbaxter
on Dec 19, 2008
I'm quite sure I'm going to like my Zune--and during this weekend's storm I'll be filling it up (requires rebooting my iMac) and extending my Zune Pass beyond its free trial. However, I'm sure I won't have an XBox 360. That said, Microsoft seems headed the right direction. Equal opportunity: I also just upgraded my iPhone, now that AT&T has extended the 3G network out into our boonies. But I'm not sure I see a replacement iPod in my future when my original nano ends its life.
shark47
on Dec 19, 2008
"My point is that iPod=Windows MacOS=Zune" Too simplistic a view. (BTW, simplistic is a word that Paul needs to use more.) Zune is definitely getting a cult following, but I doubt that Microsoft actually makes money on it. Nevertheless, I do agree with tayme that it's a very nice player. I wanted to buy a Zune 8, but I won a Nano during our Christmas party raffle. Oh well. Nanos are good too. :)
tayme
on Dec 19, 2008
So, sharky...Can we call you nano-chromatic now? What color is your Nano? --tayme
fakethulce
on Dec 19, 2008
I love my Zune and the Zune Pass. I had been asked by MS to try it out for years now, and only did because of the 10 songs per month. My torrent downloads have significantly suffered. I am now hooked and got my brother interested when we met up at Thanksgiving and just streamed music from my mother's computer all weekend long. He is seriously considering switching to Zune now as he hates having his music locked down so tightly
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
>>Zune is definitely getting a cult following<< Sounds like the Mac to me.
lotsamystuff
on Dec 19, 2008
"I called apple and they said to bad buy it again. The average user will not find out that they have lost their music collection until years after they "purchased" it because most of them keep one computer for a long time. Ask your mom if she knows how to unauthorized her itunes account on her computer so she can move her music. If your computer crashes the one license is also gone." I call BS on that. First of all, "if your computer crashes the one license is also gone" is BS. You can authorize up to five computers, and you can "reset" your authorizations back to five once per year...something which you could have done over the phone with Apple (in fact, for a while, that was the only way to do it. It is inconceivable to me that the support person you supposedly talked to didn't know about this). I've "moved my music around" to several computers (Macs and PCs) with no issues whatsoever. I lost one of my five authorizations when a PC crashed, but was able to reset it under Apple's rules. No worries. You either don't know what you're talking about, or your lying, or both. I suspect it's both. But in case it's not, I just got you your $200 worth of music back. You're welcome.
lotsamystuff
on Dec 19, 2008
SandmanX82
on Dec 19, 2008
Ocean ">>Zune is definitely getting a cult following<< Sounds like the Mac to me." The major difference is that, at least from my point of view, zune fans don't act like they're above everyone else. Whereas there's a large majority of mac fans that seem to bug the hell out of mostly everyone.
lotsamystuff
on Dec 19, 2008
"the idea of buying the temporary right to play the songs instead of the right to play, burn and share the music (which is what we can do when we get MP3s and DRM-free WMAs) is ridiculous." I'm sure the RIAA would love to hear your rationale for saying you have the "right" to share the MP3s and DRM-free WMAs you have on your Zune*. *Unless you're talking strictly about the "3 days or 3 plays" rule. I'll admit, that's pretty cool.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Dec 19, 2008
SandmanX82 The difference to me is this: Zune owners tell iPod owners about all the Zune features they're missing (Zune Pass, sharing, Mixview, software upgrades) Mac owners tell Windows owners they have no class or style. One's a techie intrigued with their technology The other's a snob justifying their brand loyalty
Waethorn
on Dec 19, 2008
"Unless you're talking strictly about the "3 days or 3 plays" rule. I'll admit, that's pretty cool." It's cooler than you think - the "3 days" portion of that was wiped out a while back.
whiplash55
on Dec 19, 2008
Interesting post, I love my zune I no longer use my nano at all anymore. One difference to me is that the Zune just sounds better. I've never been impressed with the iPods audio quality. But I think I have to give Apple credit for the touch and the iPhone, they've changed the game completely with these products and nothing I've seen on the market comes close. I used a Blackberry Storm since I'm on Verizon and it is nice but definitely needs some firmware updates. I'd love to see MS develop a Windows Live/Zune phone with touchscreen capabilities and a beautiful screen like the iPhone or a Storm.
DarkSages
on Dec 19, 2008
lotsamystuff "just got you your $200 worth of music back. You're welcome." Well back in 2003 when I called either the rep did not know that or it did not exist. It no longer matters because found them in high quality MP3 format using torrent. (legal or not I figured I could have burn them to cds and riped them back so why not) "I've "moved my music around" to several computers (Macs and PCs) with no issues whatsoever" How many computers are you talking about do you de-authorize before doing so. I did not know about the BS of de-authorizations and my point is that the avarage user won't either. My main point was why buy DRM when you can buy DRM MP3s for the same price. Back then I would move my music collection constantly because I wanted to be able to have it in every machine I had but I was cut off after a while. I don't care that you an call them and ask permission to use your music again I want to be able to use my music how ever I want. Now I don't have to move my music around I keep in in my windows home server and all my computers can stream music from it locally or remotely. I can also use the music in my zune or windows mobile phone or psp or xbox or windows media center or what ever I pretty much want because it is DRM free MP3. Anyways tanks I could call I guess but I am never dealing with apple again with music. Now I have Amazon and other stores to buy my music just how I like it.
shark47
on Dec 19, 2008
"So, sharky...Can we call you nano-chromatic now? What color is your Nano?" It's silver. Shouldn't look a gifted horse in the mouth, but I would've preferred some other color. :)
tayme
on Dec 19, 2008
@whiplash - The Samsung Omnia may well be that if MS releases a Zune client for WinMo. Since you are on Verizon, maybe you should check it out. There are a couple of things I would change in the design of the Omnia, though...there is no place to store the stylus. It is on a lanyard that attached to the phone. I rarely use mine so far, though...so I attached it to my key ing, instead. The other thing is the lack of a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. You have to use a dongle. Not huge problems, but you'd think that both could have been easily achieved. --tayme
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
>>Zune Pass, sharing, Mixview, software upgrades<< The world isn't interested in subscriptions...plenty of companies have tried it: Yahoo, Rhapsody, Napster, etc...there are similar features for the rest. How would you software upgrade a iPod Classic to a iPod Touch?
Ocean
on Dec 19, 2008
>>there's a large majority of mac fans << Not according to the posters on the Supersite.

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