Microsoft's Zune continues to struggle

I think we all realize the Zune isn't exactly setting the world on fire. But in these days leading up to the release of the Zune HD, things have apparently gotten worse than ever.

To be sure, the Zune provides a tiny, and apparently deteriorating portion of Microsoft's business. Revenue for the non-gaming side of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices unit, which includes the Zune, tumbled 42% to roughly $211 million for the fourth fiscal quarter ended in June - or about 2% of the software giant's total, according to regulatory filings.

Microsoft said revenue at its Entertainment and Devices division was undercut by a 54%, or $100 million, decline in Zune platform sales.

In a survey conducted last fall, IDC's Kevorkian said only 4.8% of those with a portable media player reported having a Zune, while 61% had some sort of iPod.

So, in late 2008, the Zune actually had 50 percent more usage share in the MP3 player market than the Mac did in the worldwide PC market. (Hey, math can be fun.) When you consider how little advertising Microsoft did/does for the Zune, that's rather astonishing. What's Apple's advertising budget? $10 gazillion or something?

Comedy aside, it gets worse.

More recent data from NPD Group Inc. indicates that the Zune's already slim market share may have slipped further. NPD Group analyst Ross Rubin said in the first half of this year, Zune's share was 2%, compared to about 70% for the iPod.

Put simply, I am a fan of the Zune. The PC software is superior to Windows Media Player and iTunes by a wide margin. The current devices are decent, but now lagging behind the touch screen/App Store goodness Apple offers. The online marketplace is good, but not as good as iTunes Store, though that matters less with music because MP3/AAC is universally compatible. (For movies and TV shows, there's simply nothing like the iTunes Store.) And of course Zune offers various features and functions that simply aren't available on the iPod at all. It's competitive from a technical/usage standpoint at least.

But it's not competitive, apparently, where it arguably matters most: In the market. It's unclear whether Microsoft can turn things around with the Zune HD, no matter how good it is. I fear a small but temporary bump on its release and then another long, slow slide into irrelevance. And that's too bad. The Zune is actually a neat platform for digital media.

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Dipsh t Admin
on Jul 30, 2009
"The fact that MS had 50% more usage share in the MP3 player market than Apple had in the worldwide PC market is related.........how?" Likewise, the fact that Apple's market valuation is very robust compared to MS matters how? "Why do you hate it so much to know that MS can be successful regardless of what Apple does?!" You know, like, still make billions of dollars and have 90%+ marketshare? "Your reading comprehension is awful, your "logic" comments completely illogical, your inability to see Paul as a hypocrite a downfall, and worse...the fact that you can't stand to see Apple's valuation not 20x smaller than MS's, even though MS's OS marketshare is 95% - 5% seems hurtful to you!" My head hurts after reading this rambling run-on sentence. "can't we all just look forward to Windows 7" We could, but I don't think you'd go along with that.
panache1023
on Jul 30, 2009
ok Dipshit...now you're going too far. You ask how the valuations of MS and Apple matter...they DON'T! THAT WAS THE POINT! Based on your usage of the term "run-on sentence", I'm not sure you understand its meaning. And why don't you think I could go along with looking forward to Windows 7? Is it because I've been running the RC at home? Is it because I took advantage of the special pre-release pricing? Or is it because I point out hypocrisy when I see it, and it bothers you?
USArcher
on Jul 30, 2009
I thoroughly enjoy the Zune software and my Zune Pass. Everyone points out the lack of advertising and I agree completely. The early viral marketing approach was a complete disaster. What they needed to do, was to win a contract with American Idol. The other thing that the Zune team needs is to do a far better job on drawing on the assets developed by other MS entertainment platforms. For the live me, I don't know why they haven't.... 1. Incorporated Zune in MSN with a streaming service, ad supported, that introduces people to the Zune brand and keeps people entertained if they don't have device or software with them. And for heavens sake, make use of Silverlight for streaming. 2. XBox Arcades games downloadable & playable on Zune HD. The Zune HD hardware looks powerful enough, I just don't know what the controls would be like. Kids would love it. Essential Companion to XBox. 3. Made Zune Dock or Zune when Docked, into a Media Center Extender. The Zune HD hardware looks more than capable to stream content from a Media Center PC. Essential companion to Media Center. 4. Allow Zune to act like a full fledge WM device minus the cellular connectivity. But having access to recently released WM App Store would make complete sense. Essential companion to Power User. 5. And of course, get Zune onto Windows Phones.
hamiltonstallings
on Jul 30, 2009
Haha panache calm down. You have some serious logic issues. You can't stand this website yet you keep coming back (see?). I'm sorry I ruined your day lol. Oh and your posts are too long, I didn't read them.
panache1023
on Jul 30, 2009
HamiltonStallings, I can't stand this website?! Where do you get this stuff?! I never once said that, or anything remotely close! No wonder your logic is completely wrong.
hamiltonstallings
on Jul 30, 2009
Hey USArcher I agree. I think MS is probably working on integrating the Zune with a lot of other 'live' type services. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it in the future.
rr0de74@live.com
on Jul 30, 2009
@ Dipsh, I come via a my RSS feed. I get Windows and Apple news as well as other news. I am by trade for most of my 20 years in IT a Windows person. In recent years its way more of a VMware/storage person. I have been reading Windows NT/Pro (whatever the latest name is) since it first came out and Paul has been in it for a while. At home I moved to all OS X after Vista failed to impress me. At work I am allowed to use a Mac, since we have the "Golden Triangle" setup to support our many Macs. Its Open directory on a Apple server hooked into AD, you can nest AD groups in OD groups and OD allows you push settings to your Mac's, just like AD GPO's for PC's. So I read news about many tech topics. @Master "t's a cluster freak of retards, trolls, flame wars, and pointless banter." Your forgot people with ANGER problems, like yourself. I mean seriously you cant ignore posts you dont like?
Ocean
on Jul 30, 2009
"I don't read Pogue, Mossy, daringfireball, MacNewsDaily or whatever the sites are called that are Mac specific." Pogue and Mossy cover the Mac much less than Paul does on this site. "iTunes now looks noticeably clumsy and inelegant compared to what I expect from Apple." That means that us Windows users are right at home with it.
Ocean
on Jul 30, 2009
"so many people have a problem with Paul, and frequently call him a hack." I don't have a problem with the writer. I'll probably buy his Windows 7 book.
Ocean
on Jul 30, 2009
"What they needed to do, was to win a contract with American Idol. The other thing that the Zune team needs is to do a far better job on drawing on the assets developed by other MS entertainment platforms." It's a bit late for the standalone devices now. People are migrating towards having one device, usually a phone, with them unless they're working out. I think the one of the most influential things Apple did with the iPod was get people accustomed to using iTunes.
wjglenn141
on Jul 30, 2009
@Master3 "Knock some of the worst offenders off, and read the riot act to the rest of these kids, and you will have this mess under control in 24 hours." Well said, sir
Waethorn
on Jul 30, 2009
"Incorporated Zune in MSN with a streaming service" There's a big problem with that - the MSN branding is slowly going away. Microsoft is focussing more and more and community-based content. The channel for that content is provided via Windows Live. I get the feeling that they may leverage their new partnership with Yahoo to supply non-community content but that's probably forthcoming. As for now, MSN is pretty well all but dead, but there are a few ISP content partners that still use the brand. Bell Canada still does as part of their "Sympatico/MSN" content portal, even though Microsoft doesn't use the MSN name, and Bell doesn't even use the Sympatico name for their internet service.
Dipsh t Admin
on Jul 30, 2009
"And why don't you think I could go along with looking forward to Windows 7?" Because post after post after post you continue to loathe and belittle MS. To think you are going to just sit idly until October 22 is about as likely as any of us amassing Bill Gates like money. You will continue to spit your venom on a blog that you consistently call the writer of a hack and basically a biased tard. "they DON'T! THAT WAS THE POINT!" Then stop bringing it up! Your first post in this thread. Reread it.
RunTimeError
on Jul 30, 2009
"It's a cluster freak of retards, trolls, flame wars, and pointless banter." That's why I keep coming back. This site is pure entertainment. Keep the flame wars burning!
panache1023
on Jul 30, 2009
Dipshit, Dude, you are 100% wrong! I RARELY if ever belittle MS. I know what i wrote in my post...it was just as relevant as Paul talking about Mac usage share in a post regarding how poorly the Zune is doing...you can't be so dense as to not understand that. And my "Venom" is usually towards posters that are clueless, lying, extremely biased, or a combination of the three. How in the HELL did I EVER "loathe and belittle MS"...it's amazing to me that you see someone point out a positive about Apple, or criticize PAUL THUROTT, and you claim I am "loathing and belittling Microsoft"...in fact, I actually LIKE MS and Windows....Are you talking about my opinion that Surface is a joke from a few weeks back? Oh man, PLEASE say that's not what you are referring to! Dude, you are starting to sound worse than RobertsJoe.
shark47
on Jul 30, 2009
"Hey Paul, how come you didn't write a scathing report of MSFT's worst quarter in history? LOL LOL LOL LOL" Hah. And you call Mike a fanatic. Nice try.
tayme
on Jul 30, 2009
God, I hate when people use LOL so much...I thought that there were more adults on Paul's site... --tayme
subzerohitman721
on Jul 30, 2009
How come this blog reminds me of an old Billy Joel song? "We didn't start the fire, It was always burnin', Since the world's been turnin' We didn't start the fire, But when we are gone Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on... " Two sides (Mac Zealots and Windows Fanatics) who refuse to accept the other's existence. If might quote Tupac from his song changes... "Somethings will never change..." Pathetic.
robertsjoe
on Jul 30, 2009
The Zune IS dead. You'd be stupid to buy one. Well, you /were/ stupid if you already did buy one.
robertsjoe
on Jul 30, 2009
tayme
on Jul 30, 2009
Totally off topic...but what isn't today? I am outraged. Where is Paul's Palm Pre coverage? I've been using a Pre for the last few weeks...I have to say, it beats my Omnia all to heck...and my buddy with the iPhone is jealous. Once Palm opens up the App Catalog for business, its gonna be awesome. The developer community is hard at work and there are nearly 100 beta apps right now. It took Apple how long to open up their App Store? --tayme
chuckb84
on Jul 30, 2009
"God, I hate when people use LOL so much...I thought that there were more adults on Paul's site..." "LOL! Apple demanded that Microsoft stop advertising PC price advantage over Macs, Paul Thurrott" I agree. Tell the proprietor.
robertsjoe
on Jul 30, 2009
@tayme: "and my buddy with the iPhone is jealous" now you're lying.
tayme
on Jul 30, 2009
@robertsjoe - And you know this how? I knew I'd get a rise out of you on that. Like it or not, the iPhone is not everything that you make it out to be. Its nice...but it is not the end all music playing cell phone. --tayme
subzerohitman721
on Jul 30, 2009
tayme, Perhaps we should have Mac hacker Charlie Miller hack robertjoe's mac and force it to load Bootcamp each and everytime. Force his Mac to boot into Windows 7. Then have his web browsers hacked to block the supersite and the supersite blog. Just a thought.

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