Note to Apple: Vista is fixed.

I have to agree with konexion here, there is nothing broken in my colourspace either. I'm also running a Dell 2407WFP display.

@"Mum" I have a calibrated Viewsonic VG (G, meaning Graphics) series 22" monitor and run CMYK colour conversion processes from high-resolution RGB web images in Publisher all the time. On several marketing materials I've printed on our own in-house HP Colour Laserjet as well as a commercial Canon and Kyocera laser printers at a local print shop, the colours come out EXACTLY THE SAME. Publisher even embeds the colour profiles. I use Vista. The local print shop where I get large-format prints uses XP. The only thing broken is your argument.

"Laser printers that produce EXACTLY THE SAME colors as you see onscreen?" Nope. They are very close though. What I said was that my colour laser printer prints out the same as 2 other brands, thanks to good colour profile support in Publisher. Vista doesn't change that either. If you really want to dispute the fact that RGB to CMYK processing is complicated and nothing less than a fine art, then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. CMYK profiling is the whole basis of your argument after all. If you're too stupid to recognize that, then you just let your Apple bias show.

@Mum So you don't have any clue what you're talking about then. You are a Mac user.

robertsjoe "Probably caused by Vista's SMB2, the details of which Microsoft does not share with anyone. Or it could be Microsoft's bastardized implementation of SMB1, which they also like to keep closed. That's what you get for dealing with a company that loves closed standards." It is an accepted fact if you ask around they will tell you that Apple is the propriety and closed company more so than Microsoft from inception of the company! Why do you think IBM PC succeeded? If Microsoft improves its protocols it is called "bastardazing". If Apple improves its iphone software it is called "innovation" - brilliant! For your information, Apple has even gone to the extent to close down the OS X!!!!. Mac developers and power users no longer have the freedom to alter, rebuild, and replace the OS X kernel from source code. Stripped of openness, it no longer possesses the quality that elevated Linux to its status as the second most popular commercial OS thanks to whom? of course Apple!. Propriety ? lol

"So for my wife: 1) This will be the last Dell we buy. 2) Vista is just as bad as people says. I can tell her that maybe it's the drivers causes conflicts, but she won't know what a hardware driver is. To her, it's Vista. " With all due respect MS cant fix your wife's ignorance. The hardware vendor is responsible for the problem. Not everyone's laptop has issues like this, so it isnt Vista that's causing the problem. That's just 4th grade logic.

"With all due respect MS cant [sic] fix your wife's ignorance." Oh, the irony.

"Here I was talking about monitors profiles disappearing and you start babbling about printers and cmyk conversions, which I thought have absolutely nothing to do with the Vista bug at hand." Actually you're wrong. Monitor profiles need to be loaded for proper CMYK conversion because the printer needs to know the gamut precision of the monitor in order to produce accurate results. When both profiles are loaded, the results are better, because Windows (actually the device profiles) compare gamut ranges between CMYK conversion points. There isn't just CMYK information in colour profiles either - they also provide gamma colour information, which is an important aspect of the conversion process, and produces more accurate greyscale. "Done cmyk converting for video and web much lately?" I have yet to see CMYK video processing done before. [s]RGB to YUV/YVUV, etc, yes, but not CMYK. CMYK is a print colour format since the medium is white (or at least, off white). I have never seen anyone convert from video to print directly, because YUV (and it's variants) can't be converted to CMYK without at least some kind of RGB conversion first. As far as CMYK for the web, nobody uses CMYK on the web since web browsers can't display proper CMYK colour spaces for JPG's or PNG's, and they also don't convert properly to RGB without properly calibrated equipment. CMYK isn't a screen colour space format anyway. I do download marketing materials based on EPS and PS formats though, and they are all CMYK colour format for commercial printing. I import those into Publisher without any colour space conversion though. My monitor outputs the colours as the colour space profile allows, but the original colour space information is used in the file so they don't enter the RGB realm outside of straight screen presentation anyway. "I suppose I don't know much" I accept your apology.

"I accept your apology." Please. Your knowledge of color management is zero. I thought one serious beating was enough but you didn't even get the humor part of it. And now you come back for more. Unbelievable. "Monitor profiles need to be loaded for proper CMYK conversion because the printer needs to know the gamut precision of the monitor in order to produce accurate results." Suppose I convert someone else's files? Profile to profile conversion has to be exactly the same every time without someone's crappy laptop monitor profile interfering. "CMYK is a print colour format" No kidding! Your knowledge is not zero afterall. "nobody uses CMYK on the web since web browsers can't display proper CMYK colour spaces for JPG's or PNG's, and they also don't convert properly to RGB without properly calibrated equipment." This contains so many errors and stupidities I don't even know where to start. So I'll just say this: you don't need to calibrate *anything* to do CMYK or RGB conversions.

"Very true, I can never be sure if it will work on my Mac systems. That's why I stick to Vista Ultimate for this requirement." Thanks for this professional view. It added a lot to this already unbelievably low quality conversation.

"I think the consensus here is that Vista is not 'fixed', except in the sense that it won't have any children." Wow, that made zero sense. bottom line is that all OS have problems, including OSX... Yeah, I know, OSX is flawless, except all those pesky issues people seem to bring up on Apple's messageboards. Unless they are the issues that happen to get deleted by Apple staff. Those dont exist.

Master3, no need to calling others ignorant. I am not attacking Microsoft, I am just saying most people are not knowledgable on how the os/software/hardware interact with each other and they should not be required to. Another example, UAC. By now, these who know how usually turns it off; these who don't, just click Yes without looking at anything. And now Norton comes out their UAC utility to improve the experience. Why can't Microsoft do something similar?

au071 "And now Norton comes out their UAC utility to improve the experience. Why can't Microsoft do something similar?" No need to go into it again since that thread's still recent and discussed there but suffice it to say that there are very good security and privacy reasons why Microsoft didn't go that way and why Symantec is only using it as a research project. The thread is at http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2008/10/10/norton-t...

"F'ng tool." ...said the person who insulted someone's wife. Nice.