Say goodbye to laser ... and, for Mac fanatics, to sanity

LOL.

Here's a beautiful example of the Apple fanboy world seeing everything through Apple-colored lenses. Seriously, you people are just embarrassing yourselves now.

Yesterday, Microsoft Hardware--the tiny portion of Microsoft that makes mice, keyboards, and other PC hardware peripherals (but not, interestingly, the Zune, the Xbox 360, or hardware products of that magnitude) launched a teaser animation on its site advertising an upcoming new generation of what is clearly mice. Microsoft typically releases new versions of its keyboards, mice, and keyboard/mice combo packages every fall, so the anticipated release date, September 9, 2008, is no big surprise.

Here's how the animation progresses:

Slide 1: Coming soon: Meet the next big thing
Slide 2: Think about all the places you use your computer today...
Slide 3: The airport (image of a laptop at the airport, with a mouse next to it)
Slide 4: Your living room (image of a couple using a laptop on the rug, with a mouse next to it)
Slide 5: Your kitchen (image of a couple using a laptop on kitchen counter, with a mouse next to it)
Slide 6: Working outside on the deck (image of a couple using a laptop on the deck table, with a mouse next to it)
Slide 7: Meet the technology that will go anywhere you do
Slide 8: Microsoft brings you the World's Most Advanced...
Slide 9: Say Goodbye to laser 9.9.08 (with cool new logo)

So.

Given the visual and textual information in this animation (and really, you should watch the animation in case it's not clear what kind of product they're touting), which of the following seems like a more reasonable assumption?

1. Microsoft is releasing a new mouse or family of mice that uses a non-laser-based pointing technology that will work on any surface.

(or)

2. Microsoft has specifically chosen September 9, 2008 in order to "spoil" an Apple event that has not actually been officially announced and that may or may not happen on that very same date.

Now, I want you to think about that one very carefully. Because, you know, it could be either. Heck, it could be both! (Cue scary music.)

OK, I won't keep you in suspense any longer. The survey says...

If you've chosen number 2, you're an idiot. But thanks for playing. Really, you're fun to have around. :)

By the way, here's the "evidence" that number two could be the correct answer:

While Apple hasn't yet officially announced any plan for an event in two weeks time, the company has alluded to an upcoming product refresh cycle, and resellers have been warned to expect scant stock of some Apple products.

Wrapped in shrouds of doubt and uncertainty, what Microsoft's planning is anybody's guess.

Anybody's guess? Really? I mean, even my kids could figure this one out.

So I asked them.

Kelly, aged 6. Mark, aged 10. What do you think this animation is about?

Mark: A mouse?

Kelly: A computer? (I mentioned to Kelly, who can't read, that Microsoft Hardware doesn't make computers but instead makes smaller things that connect to computers. She actually couldn't guess, so I told her that mice had lasers in them.) The red dot is a laser? (Dad: Yes.) A mouse?

So there you go. Two children, one of whom can't read, can readily tell what this ad is for.

And for the record: Even if Apple is holding an event for iPods or whatever or September 9, something tells me that Microsoft's announcement about mice has absolutely nothing to do with that. Obviously.

Discuss this Article 65

Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Microsoft typically rocks with its Mice and Keyboards. Should probably stick to its strengths and leave the video games and music players alone.
rjohn05
on Aug 27, 2008
I agree with Paul. Seems that this has NOTHING to do with Apple. This is not the first time I have seen stupidity like this on the MacWorld website. I guess I need to get my Apple news from somewhere else.
Waethorn
on Aug 27, 2008
"Should probably stick to its strengths and leave the video games and music players alone." That's what Logitech said about Microsoft peripheral hardware years ago....Now look where they are - Microsoft is Logitech's only real competitor after numerous other companies either got absorbed by Logitech (Intrigue, Labtec, etc.) or just exited the business altogether.
Master3
on Aug 27, 2008
@paul Wait, so you mean Apple fanatics somehow freaked out over this? Wha?
johnbaxter
on Aug 27, 2008
My first thought when reading the description of the animation was that Microsoft has actually perfected the accelerometer-based pointer-clicker. As used by some presenters to great effect already but as thrown across the auditorium by others. That's pretty obviously not it. So off to view the animation (which Microsoft didn't want me to see on my main machine, so I fired up the Vista laptop). And what I learned was: I should treat Microsoft as I do Apple--wait until the announcement is made. Because while I'm sure "it" is a pointer-clicker thing, I'm not sure it's what Paul's kids would call a mouse. And Ocean is right: Microsoft makes really excellent mice and keyboards.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Master, You have to remember that some of these people are so tied in to a Mac worldview that they think everything is done purely to help or hurt Apple. It's actually beyond their comprehension that the world isn't divided into "Mac Faithful" and "Evil heretics who know that Apple is always right but choose the dark side due to their own malevolent nature". Think of it as similar to being a medieval peasant in Europe meeting a non-Christian. The peasant didn't think, "Oh. Here's someone with a differing view on theology." Their world view was tied so tightly to the church that they couldn't concieve of another view existing. They could no more concieve of a non-Christian than they could concieve of a human who had gills. Instead, they were more likely to think, "Here's someone who rejects everything that is true and good and must be allied with the devil" because they couldn't even accept the concept that what they believed was just that, a belief, and not universally accepted as true.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
What's really amusing is not just the Macworld article but especially the comments. While they debate a little on what Microsoft is going to announce on the 9th, there's no doubt in their minds that the entire purpose of the announcement is to ruin Apple's so far unannounced announcements. They seem to sincerely believe that everyone at Microsoft does nothing but think "Hmmm. What can we do to Apple today?" If they really knew how little attention is paid to Apple inside Microsoft, I suspect their heads would explode and all that would be left would be two ears dangling from little white iPod earbud cables.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Boy is that an exaggeration. Its almost fanboyish. >>You have to remember that some of these people are so tied in to a Mac worldview that they think everything is done purely to help or hurt Apple. It's actually beyond their comprehension that the world isn't divided into "Mac Faithful" and "Evil heretics who know that Apple is always right but choose the dark side due to their own malevolent nature".<<
RunTimeError
on Aug 27, 2008
The hell? I mean does anyone *really* believe anything on the MacWorld website anyway? Even as a Mac user I avoid it like the plague. It's absolute crap. Gotta say though - I LOVE Microsoft mice. I use one every day on my MBP. It's kicks the snot out of that damn useless excuse of an input device called the Mighty Mouse.
johnpapola
on Aug 27, 2008
Microsoft's mice are the best. I can't wait to see what this is using. Curse you woodgrain and your confounding of my laser mouse! Your days are numbered As far as loony mac conspiracy theory... is it even worth discussing? Seriously. It's stupid. They're being stupid. Enough said.
tayme
on Aug 27, 2008
@Paul - Nice try at rousing up a fight. It seems that the agreement is that the MacWorld website has no crediblity, even to most Mac users. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Ocean, I'd suggest reading both the MacWorld article, "Microsoft plans Apple event spoiler? Is Microsoft preparing to out-maneuver Apple's September product launch?" and the comments at the bottom before saying anything is an exaggeration. These are people who think Microsoft showed Surface at the WSJ's D conference just to ruin Steve Jobs' announcement of the iPhone. FYI: The demo of Surface was 3 months after the first iPhone announcement and 2 1/2 months before the iPhone shipped so apparently being within the same six month period as an Apple announcement means you did it just to target Apple... And that's just the article - not even the commenters who really are wearing tin foil hats.
WebGuy3000
on Aug 27, 2008
From the Seth Weintraub blog post that appears to have started this silliness: Update: the image in on Microsoft's Website is called "hw_home_bluetrack_teaser.jpg" Bluetrack technology is a technology for using a mouse on various surfaces using a different "blue" laser rather than traditional red mouse lasers. It's a new mouse technology. Duh. 1) Microsoft mice are great. I use them exclusively. 2) There are those who are "so tied in to a Mac worldview that they think everything is done purely to help or hurt Apple." There are also some who are so tied in to a Windows worldview that they think everything is done purely to help or hurt Microsoft. (op. cit.: Comments, This Blog) Fortunately, both groups are in the minority.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Oh, and to make matters even sillier, the "Surface was a plot to steal iPhone's thunder" wasn't even from MacWorld, it was MacWorld quoting Computerworld. The looney tunes brigade really is everywhere.
johnbaxter
on Aug 27, 2008
mikegalos, it's not surprising that Macworld runs Computerworld pieces, given the common ownership. I wish they didn't--I can read Computerworld pieces on the Computerworld site. (Hmmm...this Microsoft browser makes total hash of selelecting by mouse click in this comment box. I should stop running betas, I guess.)
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
>>I'd suggest reading both the MacWorld article,...and the comments at the bottom before saying anything is an exaggeration.<< It stands: >>they think everything is done purely to help or hurt Apple<< Such people would be a great and vast minority in the Apple camp.
scoobyclub
on Aug 27, 2008
I do hope Mike Galos is aware of the irony in his fanatical commenting.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
johnbaxter Just to clarify, it wasn't Macworld running a Computerworld piece. It was Macworld quoting a Computerworld piece. (Without a link to the source, oddly enough)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Ocean I don't think anybody's saying all Mac fans are in the loony tunes brigade. Or even a great and vast majority. But a significant number are charter members even if it is a minority. That there is apparently a market in two major publications (at least) for paranoia at this level says there's an audience that believes it that is big enough to support them. Supermarket tabloids may not be at the same level as the New York Times but they clearly have an audience of significant size. People and Us vastly outsell The Economist and The New York Review of Books. Don't assume a group is tiny just because you don't share their view.
Dude1313
on Aug 27, 2008
Did I miss something Is this the MacSupersite?
BrightrevCarl
on Aug 27, 2008
It'd have to be a pretty cool mouse to be better than new iPods and/or Macbooks. Maybe it's a mouse that plays MP3s!
DRWAM
on Aug 27, 2008
Yep, I have 2 MS laser mice and 2 Logitech. The Logitech eat batteries, so I got the rechargeable. It's charger would not work without propping the mouse up with a piece of paper, even after cleaning contacts. Logitech replaced it [MX1000 with a MX Revolution], but it's still a future concern.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
>>But a significant number are charter members even if it is a minority.<< This is demagoguery at its best. Define a significant number. How significant? >>there is apparently a market in two major publications (at least) for paranoia at this level says there's an audience that believes it that is big enough to support them.<< A market in two major publications? It's one columnist! Is the whole site dedicated to paranoia? Prove that.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Ocean I'll define "significant number" right after you define what "...a great and vast minority in the Apple camp." means. To paraphras you, this is demagoguery at its best. Define a great and vast minority. How great and vast? And as for "Is the whole site dedicated to paranoia? Prove that.", why would I try to prove something I never claimed? Perhaps you should try actually reading the post.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
There's no substance to your 12:35PM post Mike. All you did was circle back. I guess that means that your claim that >significant number are charter members< and the rest of it is indefensible.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
OK. Ocean, let's take it slowly for you... First, let's take the second part. (Let's pull the Apple part out and substitute an equivalent so you can think clearly again) ----------------------------- >>there is apparently a market in two major publications (at least) for editorial cartoons says there's an audience that believes it that is big enough to support them.<< A market in two major publications? It's one columnist! Is the whole site dedicated to editorial cartoons? Prove that.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
>>If they really knew how little attention is paid to Apple inside Microsoft<< Which team? Microsoft has thousands of employees. They've got to be paying *some attention*. You don't drop 300 million just for giggles.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
As for part 1 of Ocean's meltdown. If my saying a group is "significant" is "demagoguery at its best" and requires precise definition, so does your earlier saying that the group is "a great and vast minority" It's called playing by the same rules. It's a basic part of what we call fairness.
Lindy
on Aug 27, 2008
Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? "Here's a beautiful example of the Apple fanboy world seeing everything through Apple-colored lenses. Seriously, you people are just embarrassing yourselves now." Or "you're and idiot" ...um yeah classy. Makes the tweak guide author look even better. No here is a beautiful example of non-windows news/apple bashing, using 5th grade sarcasm. Honestly how far did you have to dig to find this, or did one of your minions send it to you. I dont see it on the main Macworld site anywhere. http://www.macworld.com/topics/business_mac.html It is apparently some small article in on the UK Macworld site, under news...Latest news....Latest Business news section. Wow maybe the Macworld Congo site has even more crazy talk did you check that one??? Yes I think they are crazy for thinking MS is trying to do this on that day, for a few reasons. One, even though that Apple event is rumored by many, including your buddy Leo (this week in tech) to be on the 9th and Apple almost every September releases new iPods, no one really knows the date, so its pure speculation on the part of these people. Second does anyone Apple fan or MS fan think that MS releasing new mice could trump a Apple event that releases new iPods? Um not a chance in hell, especially considering the quality of those Mohave presentations. Oh and who uses MS keyboards and Mice? Logitech owns that market and logitech mice are so much better. So much so there were rumors that MS wanted to buy them. Ahh typical Winsupersite, no windows news, Apple bashing rubbish.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
You didn't ask for a definition until asked about your own words. And then you use it as a defense without actually answering the question.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Ocean Again with the reading problems... Little attention <> No attention I'd imagine the Zune team pays a lot of attention to the iPod team I'd imagine the Windows Mobile team pays some attention to the iPhone team I'd imagine the Windows Client Marketing team pays a fair amount of attention to deceptive information being spread about their product from all sources. Pretty much everybody else? Not so much. And certainly nothing even faintly resembling the "We must hurt Apple" mentality that this article implies.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Apple Imperfect By John Markoff For Apple, these are the best of times and the worst of times. The Cupertino, Calif., consumer electronics company is on a tear like never before. It’s winning market share from Microsoft, enough to persuade the software giant to embark on a costly ad campaign that’s being described as a belated response to Apple’s Vista-baiting Get-a-Mac ads. Apple stock has outpaced Google’s, and in the space of a year the iPhone has turned the telecommunications industry in a knot trying to find a way to respond. But there have also been dramatic stumbles. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/apple-imperfect/index.html
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Mike, this quote makes it sound like many of the technology teams have to pay closer attention: >>there is no doubt that Apple is thriving. Why? Because they are good at providing an experience that is narrow but complete, while our commitment to choice often comes with some compromises to the end-to-end experience. Today, we’re changing the way we work with hardware vendors to ensure that we can provide complete experiences with absolutely no compromises.<< http://www.cnbc.com/id/25831319
chuckb84
on Aug 27, 2008
"I do hope Mike Galos is aware of the irony in his fanatical commenting." No, I think the irony is completely lost on him. Nor does Paul get the irony of his fixation on all things Mac. We don't get any reference to anything about Apple, Macs, iPods, etc with the obligatory "Apple fanatics", "Apple fanboy" or "iCabal". Paul managed to use two of those in the title and the first sentence of the blog post. Quite hilariously, he's previously justified this frothing as a "balance" for sites that are biased towards Apple. Fellows, if a stupid article about a MOUSE is the best you can do for the required daily Apple bashing, you should really all step away from the keyboard and go outside for a few hours. Save it for something worth the trouble, like the MobileMess.
tayme
on Aug 27, 2008
@Ocean - Why not get your own blog site to post your links to articles that are unrelated to the subjects that you post them in. @Paul - Please add an ignore feature to your site so that we can perpetually ignore people that we choose to. --tayme
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
We are talking Apple here, Tayme.
lotsamystuff
on Aug 27, 2008
"If they really knew how little attention is paid to Apple inside Microsoft, I suspect their heads would explode and all that would be left would be two ears dangling from little white iPod earbud cables." If it's half as much as Paul obsesses over Apple on this "Windows" Supersite, then it's about 10 times as much as they should.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Is this what MS is releasing? >>MS Explorer Mini Mouse with "Blue Track" technology over on Amazon.de. Coincidence? We're guessing no. We followed a bit more of the PI work done by our fine commenters and discovered Blue Track to be based on a blue LED combined with a wide-angle lens that's supposed to work on more surfaces than laser and optical. Microsoft only really seems to be aiming this at the portable spectrum, hence the wireless adapter and miniature size<< http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/27/microsofts-new-blue-track-mouse-spotted/
Lindy
on Aug 27, 2008
@Oceans link, wow MS has a wireless mouse that does not come with a small brick receiver that sits on your desk.........finally. Logitech has had this for a while, and not only on their notebook mice but their full size mice as well.
Master3
on Aug 27, 2008
"No here is a beautiful example of non-windows news/apple bashing, using 5th grade sarcasm. Honestly how far did you have to dig to find this, or did one of your minions send it to you. I dont see it on the main Macworld site anywhere." No, your post is an example of an Apple user that got pis.sy that their fellow Apple users were caught being total whack-jobs, and now you are angry at paul for having the nerve to post what happened. Maybe they shouldn't have said it if they didnt want it to get picked up. Why dont you give us your opinion of what happened at the site cited? What is your opinion of that?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Lindy Microsoft's laptop mice have had a USB key size transmitter for years as has their BlueTooth mouse. (And the "small brick" transmitter is actually about the same width and depth as a mouse and about half that tall. They must build really tiny houses where you come from if bricks are that small.)
Lindy
on Aug 27, 2008
@Masters3 pis.sy...lol. Like I care. I did state "Yes I think they are crazy for thinking MS is trying to do this on that day, for a few reasons." My comments were a bleed over from yesterday really. The tweak guide author got praise for his excellent Vista article, and I praised it as well, not only for its quality but for its lack of J@ck @$$ 5th grader, flame bait, cr@p. Compare that tweak guide to this cr@p paul wrote. First off Paul's tone, jabs, sarcasm and and slant are pure negative Apple, negative Apple users. Second is this really news????? I mean I could link thousands upon thousands of nut job sites/comments etc and I guess write an article about it??? We are talking the INTERNET here, you know if you dont like something, go on the internet and complain. Two reasons he does it. #1 get readers/posters by throwing out flame bait, negative news sells. Dont agree go to the blog listing and look at the comments posted for positive/neutral blog posts about Windows stuff...25 or less posts. Now look at the post #'s for blogs posts that are clearly Anti-Apple in the titles say like "Apple undermines the Internet" 70+ posts. #2 For some reason he has this weird love/HATE relationship with Apple stuff. I think its that he loaths them but his job requires him to be objective at times and when something great like the iPhone comes out and 98% of the tech world sees it as something cool and exciting he cant be the only one Hating on it so he joins the crowd, vs looking like a total fool in comparison. To answer you question. I think these people need to get a life, and stop caring what MS does. Honestly a mouse hardware rev? The only announcement that MS could make that could steal the thunder of a iPod event with Steve Jobs is come out with something like "We have decided to drop the price of Vista to $99 and only have the Ultimate version" or "We have dropped the price of Office 2007 to $99 and the exact same version is now available on Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu/SUSE/Fedora". Short of that, unless its really negative, Joe User is not going to know. @Mike, you are correct MS notebook mice have always had the USB transmitters. I have always used a full sized mouse with my notebooks because I dont find the small ones comfortable and so for wireless full size, Logitech was the only real choice, to include on my MBP, because the Mighty mouse is a POS. If anyone needs to rev their mice its Apple.
Dipsh t Admin
on Aug 27, 2008
"@Ocean - Why not get your own blog site to post your links to articles that are unrelated to the subjects that you post them in. @Paul - Please add an ignore feature to your site so that we can perpetually ignore people that we choose to. " What he said.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 27, 2008
Lindy, I never have understood why Apple, who pride themselves on industrial design and ergonomics, has so consistently made such amazingly horrible mice. It's not that they haven't been told over and over by even their fans. Their other peripherals have varied, some very good, some very bad, some mediocre, but the mice? Consistantly awful. Granted, the worst mouse I ever had to use was NOT by Apple but the IBM PS/2 mouse that come out in 1987. I honestly used to have my hand cramp within a matter of seconds of using it.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Dip loves me.
DRWAM
on Aug 27, 2008
Yep, that little hockey puck POS that came with the G4 was a total joke. Maybe they just wanted you to buy a more expensive wireless from the Apple store so they can make more money:) I still have a hockey puck Apple mouse if anyone wants to buy it.
Ocean
on Aug 27, 2008
Buy it?
Lindy
on Aug 27, 2008
@DRWAM the wireless version is the same POS without a wire. The wired version comes with a super short cable to plug into the keyboard which makes a total mess on your desk because the cable is there on the desk??? The ball on top which is really cool to be honest when it works, clogs in 3-6 months and is a total pain to clean. The right mouse click, yes OS X uses right mouse click well and has for a while, is horrible and does not register unless you are way over to the far right side clicking on it. The buttons in the middle on the sides are a pain to contort you hand to push them and CANT be configured to go back or forward as in web pages or in a application menu. I have had this same Logitech mice now for two years, http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/2987&cl=us,en on both my PC notebook and my Mac notebook. The software even in OS X is excellent. The mouse is super comfortable and has back and forth buttons i the perfect location. Yes Apple has makes mistakes also. Regularly.
DRWAM
on Aug 27, 2008
Lindy, my Logitech MX Revolution is still in the box [it was the free replacement since the MX1000 having charging issues, was under warranty, but Logi did not want it mailed back to them], but the MX1000 holds a charge for a couple days so I still use it. They look identical and are very comfortable. Still the MS laser [can't remember the two models] need a new battery about twice each year. The are a good rival to Logitech.
gorath
on Aug 27, 2008
Lindy, you do realise that the blog post was attacking apple fanatics, not apple users, or apple, the company, right?

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