The 'blame anyone but Apple cadre,' Part 217: AT&T

So AT&T is finally adding MMS support to the iPhone 3G/3GS on September 25, about two months after Apple first announced the feature and other international wireless carriers provided it. Yep, AT&T sucks. And I should know, I've been using this horrible network, first in "EDGE" form, and then with their supposed 3G network, for two years now. God, how I miss Verizon.

There's just one problem. AT&T isn't unique, and all wireless carriers are horrible. And it's hard to credibly assert that Verizon's admittedly superior 3G network wouldn't simply buckle under the pressure of all those iPhone users. It just would. When I had my Verizon USB dongle, speeds were usually decent, but let's face, I was one of 17 people using the thing at any given time.

Also, I've taken my iPhone all over Europe. Allow me to dispel the rumor that any of AT&T's international competitors are any better. In Ireland, Britain, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, and Portugal, I've had all kids of connectivity issues on a variety of iPhone-compatible networks. iPhone connectivity is terrible everywhere. It will be terrible on Verizon if that ever happens.

There's a growing trend to just blame AT&T for all of the iPhone's troubles. I'm not sure that's fair, since most networks simply can't handle the amount of wireless traffic these devices bring. But if ever there was one example of Apple's hold on the press, it's this whole AT&T thing. Consider the Google Voice debacle. Even after AT&T asserted publicly that it had absolutely nothing to do with the Google Voice rejection, publications as credible as The New York Times were still blaming them. Nope, it's never Apple's fault.

It's kind of like the reaction to Snow Leopard, a service pack if there ever was one. There's so much here, I'll just cherry pick the most obvious: If Microsoft had the temerity to ship a mostly-64-bit OS that utilized a 32-bit kernel, the Mac community would be up in arms, ridiculing the software giant endlessly. It's hard to imagine Apple not making an "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" commercial lampooning this. But Apple does just that and ... nothing. Meanwhile, because Apple has run out of ideas and had to improve the low level parts of OS that, three years ago, apparently needed absolutely no improvement at all, the Apple fan base accepts Apple's offering on blind faith: "Because Apple has provided this, this then is exactly what we need." It must be nice to have such a trusting audience, and one that is so eager to spend money, year after year. Even on a service pack.

So let's blame AT&T for everything, please. Just don't be so sure that whatever the next network carrier is will be any better.

Discuss this Article 94

KWRussell
on Sep 4, 2009
To summarize what Paul just said: "Hey, why are you all hating on AT&T? If you're hating AT&T, then you're not hating Apple, and you're supposed to be hating Apple because I hate Apple! C'mon, say it with me! WE! HATE! APPLE! WE! HATE! APPLE! WE! HATE... Where's everybody going?"
Waethorn
on Sep 4, 2009
Can't be any better than any other carrier, indeed. When I signed up with Telus only 1 year ago, they offered a smartphone plan (excluding Blackberries) for $45 for data which consisted of "unlimited" web browsing, IM, email, txting, and web-enabled apps. That's another thing - data is data. Texting should cost the same as IM'ing, and should cost the same as web surfing. You shouldn't have to pay for tiered data usage like this, devoted by task. It raises some interesting privacy issues too. I mean, how exactly does the carrier know what app you're using if it's between email, or web surfing, or some other web app. Anyway, shortly after I subscribed, they changed to wording to 15GB of monthly allowance in the fine print, then 5GB. Now, for the same money, the plan is only 1GB of usage. That's ridiculous! And don't forget: that's FOR DATA. Your voice plan costs extra on top of that. Need to tether? It's $8/ 1MB. Yes that's right - 8 dollars per MEGABYTE. Canada has probably the worst cell phone rates in the world, including most 3rd world countries that have very cheap, or sometimes free, government-subsidized services offered in African countries, nation-wide. So before you start complaining, you could have it much, much worse.
Ocean
on Sep 4, 2009
>mostly-64-bit OS that utilized a 32-bit kernel< Paul, you do know how to change that, right? And you do know that it's for compatibility, right?
gfryesc1
on Sep 4, 2009
thurrott's psychosis is always good for a laugh. sure, let me take a stab at refuting his nuttiness on a few things: Apple wouldn't bother with ad time about kernels, 32 or 128bit. It's a bore to the audience and beyond the grasp of 99% of computer users. That's not apple's style, that's microsoft's style... along with giving you a stylus and a task manager. And Thurrott is wrong again on the 32 bit snafu. Snow Leopard is 64bit, it's the hardware that isn't caught up to it yet. So blame Apple the hardware maker, not Apple the software maker on that one. It's a small distinction but important when he decries the 'service pack' status of snow leopard. Why all the vitriol, Paul? Keep your hinges on. If people don't want Snow Leopard, if they think it's not worth $29, then fine. I think it is, especially if you're coming from any pre Leopard versions [yep, apple believes in the honor system in upgrades, how about that]. Now, can I please get another post about how 'sexy' Win7 is?? I really like over the top hyperbole. It's why I come here.
Ocean
on Sep 4, 2009
"Apple has run out of ideas" "maybe Windows needed more fixes to begin with. That's certainly what a Mac user would tell you. They may have a point." -- Paul Thurrott http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/snowleopard.asp Again, I ask the question: are new features the only reason to upgrade your OS?
panache1023
on Sep 4, 2009
This is the weirdest "I hate everything Apple post" EVER! Fist you say to blame AT&T because their network can't handle the iPhone traffic and neither can any other network. Then you get mad that AT&T is getting the blame and not Apple, even though no other network can't handle it either (in your words). I don't get it. Who should get the blame? Very weird.
Ocean
on Sep 4, 2009
>>I don't get it. Who should get the blame? Very weird.<< Agreed.
RunTimeError
on Sep 4, 2009
Oh I don't know ... my non-US wireless carrier is just fine thank you very much. - Since I've had my iPhone the 3G network has been solid - I've have ONE call drop in that time (three months) - Speeds are great; never buckled under mass usage - The only time I don't have 3G is when I'm hell and gone from a major city AND even then the Edge service is decent (not super fast, but what do you expect from Edge? It's like the light version of "high speed" internet) - I've had MMS and tethering since the day the iPhone 3.0 OS was released My iPhone owning wife can attest to this performance. So can my iPhone owning brother in law (and he's been using his for over a year). So can the pile of my friends and colleagues who have iPhones as well (one of whom uses an unlocked first gen iPhone he bought in the states and managed to get working here). So yeah, excuse me if I'm part of that "trusting audience", Paul, but so far Apple hasn't given me reason no to trust them.
vincentw56
on Sep 4, 2009
Well, I can say it's not AT&T's fault. My WinMo phone works fine on their network. I send/receive 100s of emails a day, surf the web, listen to music, and it works fine. Just has fine as my BlackBerry did on Verizon. I won't comment on the Apple comments, you can reason with unreasonable Apple fanboys. :)
CyBrett
on Sep 4, 2009
gfryesc1 I thought I saw that only apple's native apps that are built into the system are 64-bit. The rest of the applications can only run 32-bit. Cy
freakyfelt
on Sep 4, 2009
While I did LOL at KWRussell's comment (and while I agree with it), it's not an easy "pick one side" type of thing like Paul would like people to think. Yes, Apple is to blame on the Google Voice app rejection. I think we can agree that Apple needs to loosen the reigns a bit. No, Apple is not responsible for AT&T's lackluster network. Think of how many Blackberries, MiFis, USB dongles, and god knows what other data-intensive devices there are out there on the Verizon/Alltel (since they've converged) network, all without running a hiccup. Maybe it's not just AT&T's fault that their infrastructure is bad, but it's a key player. About the Mac OS X 32-bit kernel thing. Remember when XP 64 bit came out? 64-bit drivers were nowhere to be found. Nobody ran 64 bit then. That's the same reason Apple is running a 32-bit kernel right now: compatibility. When the KEXTs are finally ready then they just have to run a quick switch and they're off to the races. Now I'd like Paul to explain away Windows 7's openness when it comes to GPGPU processing. I understand they already made DirectX and that's why they don't use the OpenGL API, but c'mon why didn't they create an OPEN standard for graphics processing like the one Apple is trying to push into the open source community? Both camps have issues, so STFU and stop making people pick sides. That goes to both camps.
Ocean
on Sep 4, 2009
>>Well, I can say it's not AT&T's fault. My WinMo phone works fine on their network. << Ahh. Thats what this post is about. Well, lets see what ATT said in the article: “It’s been a challenging year for us,” said John Donovan, the chief technology officer of AT&T. “Overnight we’re seeing a radical shift in how people are using their phones,” he said. “There’s just no parallel for the demand.” Can ATT improve it, or is it the phone? "When thousands of iPhone owners descended on Austin, Tex., in March during South by Southwest, an annual technology and music conference, attendees were unable to send text messages, check their e-mail or make calls until AT&T installed temporary cell sites to amplify the service." Oh well. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/technology/companies/03att.html?partne...
nutmac
on Sep 4, 2009
Perhaps AT&T has been over criticized but at the same time, AT&T mandates and collects $30/month data plan for all iPhone users, even in areas without 3G coverage. If AT&T cannot handle all the traffic, perhaps they should put a cap on the bandwidth.
Mum
on Sep 4, 2009
"It's kind of like the reaction to Snow Leopard, a service pack if there ever was one." Maybe so. But it's a service pack the likes of which most other OS's out there would also desperately need. Not least Windows Vista, as Windows 7 isn't out yet.
mjb5406
on Sep 4, 2009
After reading so many of Paul's blogs and finally signing up so I could comment, all I have to say is: Paul, did Steve Jobs do something really bad personally to you that deserves so much vitriol and so much of a lack of objectivity? Good grief... it's as if Steve Ballmer and Steven Sinofsky are bribing you just to trash their competition. I use both Windows and OS X systems and, in all fairness, neither is perfect, but to read your constant dumping on Apple gets very old, very fast. And there are many people who believe that AT&T's network is the worst around. Rather than just spew unsubstantiated fact, do a little research and post some figures before making the accusation that th MMS and other network issues are a result of Apple's iPhone design.
KWRussell
on Sep 4, 2009
@vincentw56 All mobile phone suckage is local. You live in an area where AT&T delivers a good signal. It wouldn't matter what handset you had. (I switched to AT&T while the iPhone was just a gleam in Steve's eye because I moved to the 'burbs, and I had to stand in my back yard to get a 2-bar signal from Sprint.)
adamb1000
on Sep 4, 2009
I'm guessing Paul's site is getting low page views so he decides to try and start a war to fix that.
chuckb84
on Sep 4, 2009
"There's a growing trend to just blame AT&T for all of the iPhone's troubles." Absolutely. It's amazing that Apple can even sell the damn thing. It's just sad, isn't it? All those Apps, that constantly growing user base, the ceaseless innovation, undercutting Win Mobile, cutting the Zune off at the knees. It's just so ANNOYING. The iPhone is one troubled device, and has no future----obviously. And, I agree with you, that damn iPhone would have trashed ANY network. I think they DELIBERATELY made it easy to use! The EU and the DOJ should look into this. It's an obvious ploy by Apple to undercut the whole cell network and bog it down to make the competing phones look bad. They're probably in cahoots with Google on that----they always are----and does anyone think that sham "resignation" of the Google guy from Apple's board really means anything? Jobs still has him on speed dial. And, you know what? That exclusivity deal with ATT screams for legal action, and that monopolistic app store is so "successful" that it might as well have been set up by the Kremlin. Sure, it's "successful", and it only works with iPhones. Where's the choice? Is that the American Way? Do you realize that Mac computers and iPhones are made in Communist China? Do you think that's a coincidence? Somehow Apple gets away with this and NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING! And, the whole Snow Leopard debacle! "Under the hood" improvements? WTF? In the 1950's General Motors pioneered yearly versions for cars and ruled the world. The USA stood idly by while the Germans and the Japanese did a lot of "under the hood" improvements, and look where we are today. Do you want this to happen to Microsoft? "It's time for Microsoft to respond to the challenges it faces with leadership and authority. And if you care about the systems you support now, your jobs, and your very livelihood, you might do demand the same from the company. All of us have backed the same horse." Amen. It can't happen soon enough. This "free pass" that Apple gets for all of that so-called innovation has got to stop.
Spidubic
on Sep 4, 2009
@sacr3dc0w So why are you here? What is your reason for continuing to read this blog?
gadfly10
on Sep 4, 2009
Holy straight jacket! This is the looniest rant yet! Thurrot's cheese has definitely slipped of his cracker.
AlanQuatermain
on Sep 4, 2009
@CyBrett: "I thought I saw that only apple's native apps that are built into the system are 64-bit. The rest of the applications can only run 32-bit." Any application can run 64-bit, including the kernel. Apple ships 64-bit versions of most apps, the notable exceptions being things which are very heavily-invested in 32-bit only technologies, like iTunes (which is a *massive* Carbon code-base, and Carbon is 32-bit). Us developers have been able to compile and ship 64-bit apps since Tiger (when they were command-line only) and since Leopard for GUI apps. Everything I write is compiled for all available architectures, 32- and 64-bit for both Intel and PPC architectures. This is currently the default setting for new projects in Xcode, too. Anyone who only ships 32-bit apps right now basically needs to have a very good reason to do so (i.e. a *massive* code-base which can't easily be converted to use 64-bit data types and APIs). Apple has done pretty much everything they can to make this as easy as possible for developers; since 10.5.0 came out I've not needed to pay any attention to register width or pointer size at all in my applications unless I dig into some very low-level APIs (such as Mach VM). I just hit the compile button and I get an app with 32- and 64-bit variants included, for all available CPU architectures. As of Snow Leopard, 64-bit is actually the default for pretty much everything, and the kernel boots into 32-bit mode by default for compatibility with third-party device drivers. I switched mine to 64-bit immediately and have had no problems so far. And if necessary, a 32-bit kernel process is only a reboot away. It doesn't change user-space at all— the kernel has used 64-bit values for memory addresses for a long time now, and being 64-bit native just makes arithmetic on those types a little faster is all (amongst the ABI improvements, use of more CPU registers, etc). It's also worth noting that, since Mac OS X is based on Mach, the virtual memory pager is actually a separate process, and is is *always* 64-bit regardless of whether the kernel is 32- or 64-bit itself. While I look forward to the day when I need 256GB of physical RAM, requiring the kernel to allocate 4GB of memory-addressing tables, right now I'm not worried that I won't be able to handle that. If my laptop magically becomes able to upgrade beyond 8GB of RAM (or my desktop beyond 32GB) I'll be sure to enable the provided 64-bit kernel to enable that capability.
chuckb84
on Sep 4, 2009
"Hate to break it to you Paul, your opinion is only important to you and nobody else. Thank god your son is deaf, I'd want to rip my ear drums out if I had the ability to hear and my dad was about as consistent as a zigzag." That's vile. Utterly vile. I don't agree with Paul on much, but what you wrote makes you a disgusting excuse for a human being. Get a little perspective, take a few years and try to grow up. You'll want to apologize someday for that one.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
dallasmay
on Sep 4, 2009
I don't get why your so upset with Snow Leopard. Yeah, it's not as big an update as Win 7, but it's also not the same price. I think $30 is a fair price for the upgrade. If they charged $199 or $250 for the privilege, I would laugh at it too. But the price is right, so what's the big deal?
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
This is ATT problem is just the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Paul any other carrier would have problems as well. I have read that one of the reasons a Apple phone had not come out sooner was because the limited cellular bandwidth. One of the reasons. This is also a major road block to "Cloud Computing" or anything delivered from the cloud. The network link is the major limiting factor when it comes to anything that has size. Imagine if just Netflix aloud their whole catalog of movies to be streamed over the internet, and not 1/100th of it and most of that really old crap. They would need 10 more data centers, 1000X the bandwidth they have now, and every ISP would feel the pain of massive movie downloads. New release nights would bring broadband to its knees. That is just one provider of cloud content.
EricoF3
on Sep 4, 2009
I am not a Mac Fanboy but Paul here the link between the IPhone story and the fact that OSX With Leopard is a Service Pack story is little confusing... Isn't it?
yert
on Sep 4, 2009
But Paul, Microsoft once upon a time DID release a mostly 32 bit OS that also ran 16 bit code (Windows 95/98/SE/ME). Apple fans bashed that relentlessly, even when they didn't have true multitasking or Steve Jobs.
kent909
on Sep 4, 2009
I'm an Apple user and I don't care a bit, how many bits Windows is or is not. In fact I don't care how many bits OSX is.
Waethorn
on Sep 4, 2009
" Remember when XP 64 bit came out? 64-bit drivers were nowhere to be found. Nobody ran 64 bit then. That's the same reason Apple is running a 32-bit kernel right now: compatibility." So Apple is behind then. Thanks for the apology. "Now I'd like Paul to explain away Windows 7's openness when it comes to GPGPU processing. I understand they already made DirectX and that's why they don't use the OpenGL API, but c'mon why didn't they create an OPEN standard for graphics processing like the one Apple is trying to push into the open source community?" Why does a graphics library have to benefit only a single-digit market share? It doesn't benefit Microsoft to release it, and turning to an open source version will break application compatibility, so it's a no-win situation. In Apple's defense, they can leech off open source as they always do. One thing I can say about Canadian cell phone providers is that any halfway-decently-occupied area has full 3G coverage by all 3 major cell providers. The difference in quality one person gets over another is usually related to their type of phone, because most towers share both GSM and CDMA signal types.
kent909
on Sep 4, 2009
It is fun to listen to Windows Weekly and see just how many minutes into the podcast it takes before Leo and Paul start talking about Apple. I listen every week and I cannot remember the last time Windows Weekly wasn't about Apple in someway. To be fair they talk about Windows on Mac Break Weekly. Paul usually snipes at Apple, the guys on MBW just chuckle and joke about MS.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
"It's kind of like the reaction to Snow Leopard, a service pack if there ever was one" I have asked this question before and it got dodged so I ask again. Could someone please list for us all, what new features or improvements that Windows 7 gives someone that is sitting at Windows Vista SP2, plus all available updates (IE8, latest search, etc). I just want a simple list of whats new and improved, no bias, no saying whether its a great feature or not, just a simple list.
kent909
on Sep 4, 2009
I booted my iMac SL to 64 bit and everything works fine including my 6 year old Brother laser printer. So what's all the grief about?
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
@kent909 I listen to both, and they talk about Apple more on Windows Weekly. Sometimes its about even. Lately it has with the release of both new OS'es, but a lot of times on Mac Break they never talk about Windows or Microsoft. Paul will bring up Apple almost every episode.
EricoF3
on Sep 4, 2009
kent909 said: "I'm an Apple user and I don't care a bit, how many bits Windows is or is not. In fact I don't care how many bits OSX is." @All : you know what I told you! Stop talking about 32bit here and 64 bit here... THis is not an issu... Most of the common user don't care about this technical things and ... I told you nobody need a 64 bit system except specialized software users... So please stop talk like the number of bits a OS is using is crucial... It is not!!!!!!
EricoF3
on Sep 4, 2009
@rr0de74@live.com: Haaaaaaaaaa!! Come onnnnn... I answer you!!! We cannot list what changes in Windows 7, except user interface thing because Microsoft did not give a WhitePaper to specify that .... So Stop ... WE DON'T KNOW WHICH LINE OF CODE MICROSOFT CHANGE BETWEEN WINDOWS VISTA AND WINDOWS 7 ....
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
"WE DON'T KNOW WHICH LINE OF CODE MICROSOFT CHANGE BETWEEN WINDOWS VISTA AND WINDOWS 7 ...." Lets hope its more than one.
DRWAM
on Sep 4, 2009
I never have a problem with my iPhone, even after I jailbroke it. Got 3G everywhere now in South Jersey. Now 3) of my 23 doc group have one,3 have the GS version. They all love it. A long time WinMo user, bought the 3G for his wife a few months ago. His son's BB died, so he got the 3GS for the wife and gave the 3G to his son. The more he played, the more he liked the iPhone. He then bought a 3GS 32GB model for himself, and dumped his BB. He then bought a 4th iPhone for his daughter. Within the past several months, he replaced his wife and kids Win laptop's with a 17in MBP. He is the guys that bought a $3000 high end custom Vista computer two years ago, and replaced it 6 months ago with a dual Xeon Dell. He spent 3 to 4 thousand dollars on it too. So much for inexpensive Windows boxes!!!! Anyway, a diehard Windows fan boy bought a lot of Apple gear lately, eh? Now my wife wants a MBP and an iPhone, but she'll get my old Treo until she proves that she will use it's features. As far as the MBP goes, sorry but I can buy two Win7 laptops for that price.
ADRz
on Sep 4, 2009
Wow, the Apple fanboys were seriously riled up. The iPhone is a nice consumer smartphone but certainly neither particularly innovative nor feature-rich. It is not customizable either. AT&T's 3G network is not very good, and it is not really difficult to see why a profusion of smartphones, (not just iPhones) would tax it. AT&T is upgrading this network slowly, so it is just possible that within a year, the experience may be better. Apple produces well-designed but not brilliant consumer electronics products and, with excellent marketing and with most of the technical/computer press eating out of Job's hand, it is capturing a substantial market share in the US. But not outside the US, where the computer press is more objective about its products. For many, Apple is just a religion. It is always fun to see what happens when anybody takes a potshot at Apple!!!
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 4, 2009
Why anyone would use an iPhone by choice of their own (and not Apple's false marketing) is beyond me. Battery life under a day with normal use? Check. Forced to use the most bloated, slow program in the world, iTunes? Check. Expensive data + poor service? Check. Useless and bloated App store? Check. Have to deal with endless technical issues? Check. Can only use it the way Apple wants you to? Check. But alas, Apple and its user base will never figure out the whole 'think for yourself' thing. Just makes it easier to make them fantastically angry. Too bad hardly anyone actually uses the applications for more than a week once they buy and download them. Apple is laughing all the way to the bank while you guys defend them to the end! LOL
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
"Battery life under a day with normal use? Check." Wow that is twice as long as my Treo 800W, I should get an iPhone!
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 4, 2009
"Wow that is twice as long as my Treo 800W, I should get an iPhone!" Ya you should! Your phone must really suck if it gets half the life of an iPhone lol. But it couldn't hurt to go from unusable amount of battery life to simply really bad battery life. I say go ask Apple if it is ok for you to buy one.
Mark KB
on Sep 4, 2009
animositysomina
on Sep 4, 2009
Hahaha, Ukraine has FORTY times cheaper wireless internet than Canada, and this is no joke, I just came back from Kiev. You Canadians don't even have a slightest idea how much does Canada suck :P You compentate that by higher salaries and such but it still sucks beyond limits. So sad.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 4, 2009
@Mark KB that is a good list. I would pay $29 to upgrade Vista with these new features.
sjaak327
on Sep 4, 2009
^ I would pay more, surely an impressive list of new features and tweaks. I hear there are quite a few compatiblity issues with SL, not going to upgrade our two mac pros just yet, they have messed with rosetta too I hear. Apple has an awfull track record with backwards compatiblity. Meanwhile, I have upgraded all my home machines to Windows 7 (all clean installs), impressive, the phrase "if it runs on Vista, it will run on 7" is true. Regarding the Iphone, as someone said, it is neither innovative, nor feature rich. Enough said.
DRWAM
on Sep 4, 2009
Typical MS fanboi stuff. My iPhone battery lasts for days, not under a day. iTunes is only need to sync media, as any other media player would need. I don't use it for music so I never need iTunes for anything. I am the only one of the docs in my group that uses a Mac with the iPhone. The rest use Vista. So hamilton, before you go shooting your mouth off with lies, just as you accuse Apple, do a little more research rather than the minority of phones with problems. Want to talk defective hardware? How's that Xbox working? Sorry to post this way, but I don't care for a lower life form to call me names because I chose to use a company that you don't like. Just so you know, I have two Macs and 4 Windows computers, and 4 Sansa MP3 players. The wife has an iPod clip and a nano for her Benz. Blind hatred is never good for any one, and just just can't respect people that use it, Apple or Windows users alike. The iPhone battery is good and you are wrong. However, I have read some defective battery stories with the iPhone. I would never suggest that it's perfect. However, everything you posted was BS, and I'm not an idiot for using it. The service costs the same as Verizon and as a former Verizon customer, I can verify that verizon service was no better than ATT [but I found ATT customer service better than Verizon]. The app store has numerous great apps too/ I'm not stupid enough to disagree that it has thousands a crappy apps as well, but it sure is heck is a good place to find good apps. Again, I have no technical problems and no one of the docs does either. However, we replaced 80% of our Treo phones, which broke very early, and multiple Blackberry's as well. Would you rather have your doctor on an unreliable phone like those? If you still say yes, then I know a few good psychiatrists. Sorry gents, but I'm having a bad day. PS MS fanboi's I like Vista too and can't wait to buy the wife a Win 7 laptop. YOu all should get over your hatred. Many of you sound pretty dumb.
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 4, 2009
DRWAM, I feel bad that you had to write that long of a paragraph just to defend your choice. Good luck.
robertsjoe
on Sep 4, 2009
Anti-Apple rant by Microsoft paid shill #1, part 9283.
robertsjoe
on Sep 4, 2009
It's obvious that this is all Microsoft sanctioned and requested anti-iPhone banter. What with that terrible mobile OS they have. I know it's hard to believe, but it' even worse than their desktop OS.
DRWAM
on Sep 4, 2009
Hamilton, let me make it shorter. Iphone is 14 months old and zero problems. How's that? Waa, it's not Microsoft so I hate it. Waa! Ham, so are the sheep, not me. I buy what I think is best for me. I'm not a loyal to a company's product, but require it to be loyal to me. If you were to complain about many other shirt comings of Apple, I could agree with many. But sir, you are a liar, and I cannot tolerate BS like that. This is a Windows supersite, not an Apple bashing site. I can't stand the other juvenile behavior from the Apple side, but I ignore it, but spreading lies is wrong. So if you accuse Apple, don't throw stones. If you've read my posts, you've seen me defend Microsoft a lot.

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