The Plot to Kill Google

Wired posts an appropriately controversial story about Google's enemies and their (separate, as it turns out) efforts to slow down the Internet goliath. Chief among these enemies, of course, is Microsoft.

Tom Barnett, assistant attorney general for antitrust at the US Department of Justice was signaling not just that the Google-Yahoo deal was dead but that the government saw Google as a potential monopolist. It was a stunning blow. Now the company, whose brand is defined by its "Don't be evil" slogan, faced the prospect of being hauled into court on an antitrust charge.

It was cause for celebration in Redmond, where Microsoft spent six months on a massive effort, costing millions of dollars, to block the Yahoo/Google deal.

High-profile legal battles aren't fought only in the courtroom. Public perceptions matter. Momentum matters. Relationships matter.

For years, Microsoft had quietly seethed as Google waltzed into a position of immense power while charming regulators and politicians with an aura of gee-whiz innocence. Even when Google hired a small team of lobbyists and took the occasional swing at Redmond, the company's feel-good reputation remained intact.

"Google has badly misjudged how it is perceived," Microsoft advisor Michael Kassan reassured John Kelly, Microsoft's head of strategic relations. "We have a clear and easy story to tell."

It went like this: Google had 70 percent of the search advertising business, and Yahoo had 20 percent. Now those two companies were proposing a business deal. That would give advertisers less leverage to negotiate ad rates, and they would end up paying more.

Google's staff learned of a 94-page document titled "Google Data Collection and Retention," that had been circulating around Washington. The treatise listed all the ways that Google hoards user information. Google Checkout remembers credit card numbers. Gmail reads private email. Blogger saves draft posts. As one annotation on the document helpfully notes, Google's privacy policy "gives Google the right to retain personal information over the wishes of a user." Overall, Google is painted as a Big Brother with an insatiable desire for private data.

Traditionally, Google has fought off powerful rivals with masterful code. It took on the established search behemoths by creating more effective software. It bested Microsoft's and Yahoo's advertising efforts by inventing an entirely new ad platform. But the war today is being fought in Washington, in the press, and perhaps even in the Justice Department again. And these aren't battles you can win with engineers and algorithms.

So. What are we to make of this? Using the EU's ongoing (and increasingly insane) attempts at curbing Microsoft's behavior as a guide, it's hard not to see Google as a monopolist now or, at the very least, as a company on the cusp of monopoly. Our digital future is too important for these issues to be ignored. And it's pretty clear that Google's cheery public face has little to do with the realities of its business practices. I use and recommend several Google services. But I certainly do have my reservations about the company. They should at least be closely examined, early and often.

Discuss this Article 84

mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Seeing that Mary Jo Foley posits that Google is behind Opera's pressure on the EU and the Opera CEO's stating that he's doing the pressure in collaboration with ECIS which Mary Jo points out includes Adobe, Corel, IBM, Nokia, Opera, Oracle, RealNetworks, Red Hat and Sun Microsystems, I'd say that it's hardly Google that's being plotted against... (MJF's article at: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1826)
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
According to Joe Wilcox, Google provided evidence against MS in response to the complaint filed by Opera. I think Google has to be really careful here. Once the EC is done milking MS for all its worth, guess who they're going to go after? Not Opera -- Opera needs to have all competing browsers shut down to gain any meaningful marketshare -- but Google.
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
The article almost makes it seem like Google is being unfairly targeted by mega-corporations.
weedmonk
on Jan 20, 2009
Eric Schmidt will have major voice in this Administration. If anything those MS advisors sound over confident.
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
How is it that Google, on one hand, is working to get Chrome bundled with OEM PCs, and on the other, pushing the EC (through Opera) to investigate MS's bundling strategy? Weedmonk, I don't think Eric Schmidt will have too much influence on Govt policies. Wasn't Bill Gates known to be close to Clinton or something?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Shark, Yes, Bill Gates and Bill Clinton are friends. On the other hand, you'll find that there was signficant pressure on the DOJ from the NOIS (Netscape, Oracle, IBM, SUN) coalition, their allies and politicians they'd backed. Politics with honest politicians like former President Clinton isn't manipulated by friendships. You'll generally find that personal computer company executives (like those at Microsoft and Apple) tend toward the Democratic Party and centralized server company executives (like those at Oracle, IBM and SUN) tend toward the Republican Party. Obviously this is a dramatic oversimplification but tends to hold fairly often as a first pass assumption.
lotsamystuff
on Jan 20, 2009
Can't we all just get along? Apparently not. This story reminds me of that old joke about Microsoft that ends by saying the company "can't stand 1 bit of competition." So true. "it's hard not to see Google as a monopolist now or, at the very least, as a company on the cusp of monopoly." It's not illegal to have a monopoly. (From the FTC's website: "While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.") That kind of behaviour is what got Microsoft in trouble in the first place. Google needs to be careful; I don't think that their management is stupid enough to repeat Microsoft's mistakes, but you never know.
DRWAM
on Jan 20, 2009
Google is not a monopoly, but has potential. Until then, it's not obviously. Google toolbar is such a nuisance and quite irritating. Since it get [potentially] added with so many other apps/software, Google has many partners. Doesn't that make you worry what they are doing with your personal information? While I often joke that Google is evil, and really do suspect that they have bad intentions with personal info. Nothing is really free, now is it?
lotsamystuff
on Jan 20, 2009
"honest politicians like former President Clinton" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You cannot possibly be serious. Is this the same Clinton that lied under oath and lost his license to practice law for five years as a result? The "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" guy? Or are you talking about a different "President Clinton" that we don't know about? Perhaps the President of your local "MS User Fanboi Club" or something?
Dipsh t Admin
on Jan 20, 2009
lotsa, not too often I agree with you, but you know he IS serious about that. Mike is one of the most blind partisans I've ever seen, and this glowing language about a political party is quite unbelievable, and quite dangerous.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
DRWAM Actually Google is almost certainly a monopoly as the problems they had with the Yahoo! deal justified.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
lotsa Actually it's only unlawful to lie under oath about information pertinent to the matter at hand before the court. You'll note that President Clinton was found innocent. And, unlike several members of the most recent administration, he can travel the world without fear of being arrested for violating the same war crimes laws that we, in a prouder time, put in place. But, IANAL.
Ocean
on Jan 20, 2009
>>Seeing that Mary Jo Foley posits that...<< Weird. I could swear you referred to her as little more than a blogger with questionable access when she posited some negative information about MS. And now you think she has some credibility? Really interesting how we see two faces from you.
Ocean
on Jan 20, 2009
Oh, and if legally MS is culpable, then Opera, Google, Red Hat, etc have every right to complain. And vice versa.
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
Google doesn't have anything to fear in Europe at least, as long as Microsoft operates there. Microsoft's legal troubles are far from over. Someone is bound to complain about features in Windows 7, just like there were complaints about Vista.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Ocean Actually you're flat out wrong. I did refer to her as a blogger. As she does as well. Somebody else made the, to me, bizarre conflation of blogger and less than credible which I refuted as being nonsense. What I said that WAS negative was not about her or about bloggers but was about the response to a story that people were reading incorrectly. Mary Jo talked about a rumor, identified it as a rumor and some people here (you can gues whom) translated stated rumor as a hard fact. As usual.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Ocean, And sometimes companies use government lobbying to attack their competition when there is no legal culpability but only a lack of ability to produce a competitive product. And that's as anti-competitive as anything I can think of.
Ocean
on Jan 20, 2009
>>sometimes companies use government lobbying to attack their competition when there is no legal culpability but only a lack of ability to produce a competitive product.<< Then they will win in the end.
DRWAM
on Jan 20, 2009
Mike, they all do it. that's why they call them lobbyists. And why is every one that competes with Microsoft a monopoly, but Microsoft is not? I'm not calling Microsoft a monopoly, but dude, the rest of them are not. They were neither convicted nor indicted. Geez.
Waethorn
on Jan 20, 2009
"Is this the same Clinton that lied under oath" I'd rather see a pot-smoker than a cokehead in the White House. Obama should get out a 40oz'er and share a big fatty with Ahmadinejad and Mouse Tongue to settle their differences. Canada will supply the weed (BC has the best pot).
Waethorn
on Jan 20, 2009
"They were neither convicted nor indicted." You don't get convicted to being a monopolist - you get convicted for abusing your monopolistic power while entering new markets where you are not.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
DRWAM Of course Microsoft is a monopoly in operating systems and probably in other markets as well. And Google is a monopoly in web text advertising. And Apple is a monopoly in MP3 players. Being a monopoly isn't a bad thing or a good thing. It just means you have sufficient dominence in a market that you have the theoretical power to unduly influence that market. Being a monopoly isn't against the law. It just means you have to work under different rules. In fact you are a monopoly once you have that kind of influence and not when a legal body determines that you have it. You are subject to monopoly rules often long before anybody bring legal action and you could be a monopoly for decades without it ever coming to court. If your radiology practice, for example, has enough dominence in your part of New Jersey that you can set the defacto standard for, say, how results are delivered to area hospitals then you are a monopoly. It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. It just means that you have the power to do something wrong. And, you are subject to the restrictions on that power that come with being a monopoly. Again, IANAL but I've been more involved in monopoly court stuff than I'd like.
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
"Weird. I could swear you referred to her as little more than a blogger with questionable access when she posited some negative information about MS." Yes, and he also referred to her as a scammer from some African country (I forget which one it was.) "Oh, and if legally MS is culpable, then Opera, Google, Red Hat, etc have every right to complain." Thanks for simplifying it so much for me. You forgot to add the line, "You're either with them or with us" at the end.
DRWAM
on Jan 20, 2009
I understand what you are saying now and agree, especially in terns of my own practice. Have you been reading about us? ;)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Waethorn "You don't get convicted to being a monopolist - you get convicted for abusing your monopolistic power while entering new markets where you are not." Close but not quite. You can also be convicted for abusing monopoly power in the existing market. For example, if you control a market and start raising prices without justification or cut prices below cost to freeze out competition or buy out your competitors or work with your competitors to fix prices or refuse to sell products to your competitors or let your competitors build add-on products... There's a lot of stuff you can do and a lot you can't. But, IANAL
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
DRWAM A lot of people have the wrong ideas about what monopoly means. (I think it comes from making up their own rules for the board game) :-)
daveinla
on Jan 20, 2009
Actually for MS, it is not the monopoly itself that brought them to the trial but the methods they used to get there and stay there. Google got there by shear engineering superiority compared to its competitors, so did Apple. Hence the least chance for them to be corrected. That post title sounds very much like an April's fool to me !
DRWAM
on Jan 20, 2009
One last thing Mike [and everybody]...Google sucks!!!!!
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
daveinla No. Not even close. How you get to be a monopoly (even in your strange view of history) doesn't matter. It's what you do once you are there. You don't get a waiver for cleverness. You can't abuse monopoly power until you have it. Now, you can have it and violate the monopoly rules before you realize you have monopoly power but that's the opposite issue. Since you're in LA, I'll use a car analogy. You can't be arrested for running somebody over with a car if you're not driving a car. On the other hand you can be arrested for running somebody over in a car no matter how you got to be behind the wheel. It's not like you get a waiver for vehicular manslaughter if you have the pink slip.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
DRWAM But they're "not evil". They'll be sure to tell you that if you ask them.
robertsjoe
on Jan 20, 2009
Now you're crying monopolist on Google? Bet you would not do the same about Microsoft. Our digital future is in excellent hands if it were to be in Google's. I, and most other people, would not trust Microsoft with it. They have been convicted of unfair practices. Actually, of being a monopolist.
robertsjoe
on Jan 20, 2009
It's great to see the EU push Microsoft around like that. At least someone is standing up to them in the 2000's. Make people have a choice of browser. I hope they are made to change.
robertsjoe
on Jan 20, 2009
Mike, that is true. Google is not evil. I would trust them any day over MS.
tayme
on Jan 20, 2009
So, now mikegalos is using his supposed Microsoft past in his posts? When asked to comment earlier, based on his supposed past career with them, he refused; making sure that everybody understood that he is not currently inside Microsoft. I call BS on any post that mikegalos makes regarding Microsoft. Hey, robertsjoe...how was school today? Did you watch the crowning...err, I mean inauguration? --tayme
shark47
on Jan 20, 2009
"One last thing Mike [and everybody]...Google sucks!!!!!" About as much as Microsoft does, I guess. the only difference is that Google is a media darling. Google does make some good products along with some crappy ones - just like any other company.
tayme
on Jan 20, 2009
@mikegalos - rumor has it that you are going back to Microsoft. Are they true? --tayme
Toddimous
on Jan 20, 2009
"Politics with honest politicians like former President Clinton isn't manipulated by friendships." This has to be one of the most hilarious things you have ever said Mike. There is no such thing as a honest politician, especially the Clintons. I can still hear this like it was yesterday, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." If Bill Clinton was a honest politician, I would hate to see what a corrupt and lying politician looks like.
mgayetsky
on Jan 20, 2009
Just a quick addendum on the 'Google is evil' debate. Antitrust and legal issues aside, it's a company that willingly censored itself to gain access to growing Chinese markets, disallowing those searching there to get access to information about Tiananmen Square, the Falun Gong, etc. Say what you will about microsoft, at least they never helped an oppressive government suppress information so that they could get into a new market.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
"So, now mikegalos is using his supposed Microsoft past in his posts? When asked to comment earlier, based on his supposed past career with them, he refused; making sure that everybody understood that he is not currently inside Microsoft." This shouldn't be that hard for you to understand. I'm perfectly willing to talk about things in the past at Microsoft. I am NOT willing to discuss current things that might either imply that I'm speaking as a current spokesperson for Microsoft or items that are under my nondisclosure agreement with them. There now, that wasn't so hard was it?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Toddi As an American citizen, I look at our government employees including elected officials as though I were their boss. Now, if I were doing a review of Bill Clinton as his boss I'd say: He did a great job running his organization (unlike his successor) He handled every crisis well (unlike his successor) He never awarded overpriced contracts to his friends (unlike his successor) He brought his organizations operations in under budget for the only time in decades He actually reduced costs in his organization to where they were 40 years earlier (his successor not only raised the budget but blew past it like it wasn't there) He had a perfect safety record with no staff killed in job related wars (unlike his successor who screwed up and cost us 4,000+ employers) He did a great job on organizational security and all people who caused his bosses harm got arrested and convicted (unlike his successor who let multiple attackers roam free) He worked hard and got good results (unlike his successor on either count although he did set new records for vacations) He had no drug, alcohol or arrest records (unlike his successor) He didn't violate international laws that prevent him from traveling (unlike his successor) ----------------- He did have some problems in his personal life but since those weren't work related they're none of my business. Clinton seems like a great employee to me and I'd hire him back for any position he's interested in. Just wish we'd been able to fire that guy we got rid of today a lot sooner. That loser should never be on our payroll again.
tayme
on Jan 20, 2009
@mikegalos - Not at all...so is your opinion about Microsoft's marketing prowess something that implies that you are speaking on behalf of them or under NDA? --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
tayme I am not currently directly or indirectly employeed by Microsoft. I am under NDA in some areas. All opinions I express are very clearly my own. That some people might make the false assumption that I am speaking for Microsoft is the reason I try to be very clear in what I will and will not say. Should that situation change, I will let the group know.
tayme
on Jan 20, 2009
"He had no drug, alcohol or arrest records" Of course not...he didn't inhale!!! But the new guy did...I guess thats grounds for dismissal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8 --tayme
Lindy
on Jan 20, 2009
Mike no worries I have never thought you represented MS in any way. I knew it was part of your "legend in your own mind" syndrome. @tayme why are you asking him questions he will never really answer? I a mean according to Mike GaloASS you should be beating your wife right now right??? Mike is THE definition of Megalomania.
tayme
on Jan 20, 2009
If I cared, I'd critique the rest of mikegalos' rant about how great Clinton was...but I am looking forward, not back. It'd be pretty easy to do, as most of it is public record. --tayme
Toddimous
on Jan 20, 2009
Mike, I don't want to veer this off topic and get into a political discussion. Just remember when you talk about how honest of politicians the Clintons are the name Mark Rich. How much money do you think the Rodhams and the Clintons made on this one? I could tear apart each one of your points, including the drug use but will refrain. Just remember, Mark and Denise Rich every time you want to gloat at how corrupt the Bushes by mentioning Haliburton. There is no difference and both Bush and Clinton are corrupt politicians when you want to honestly review both administrations.
Ocean
on Jan 20, 2009
>>I am under NDA << Prove it. Tell us something we should not know.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
tayme "but I am looking forward, not back" Ah, Stage 3 of the standard Bush technique for dealing with any embarassment Stage 1: We don't speculate on rumors Stage 2A: (if criminal) We don't discuss ongoing investigations Stage 2B: (if incompetent) We don't discuss ongoing operations Stave 3: We don't dwell on the past It got used for failing to pay attention to all the warnings about bin Laden, intellegence being cooked on Iraq, the failure to catch the anthrax poisoner, the failure to catch bin Laden, the Iraq looting, the Iraq insurgency, the loss of a billion dollar slush fund, the Enron fiasco, the collapse of Wall Street, the failures in US infrastructure, the failures in deregulated and sweetheart regulated industries, the disaster of response to Katrina, the outing of a CIA covert operative, the torture at abu Ghraib, the tortures at Guantanamo Bay, etc.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 20, 2009
Toddimous If you want to bring up Mark Rich, I'd counter with "Scooter" Libby. I'd say treason outweighs anything the Richs did. Wouldn't you? (Now, what's the punishment for exposing one of your country's spies to the enemy during wartime?)
Lindy
on Jan 20, 2009
Megalomania (from the Greek word μεγαλομανία) is a historical term for behavior characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, genius, or omnipotence — often generally termed as delusions of grandeur or grandiose delusions.

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