The Windows Live Wave 3 services rollout begins with a whimper

The world moves and and no one takes notice. How long before this is all re-branded because no one cares for it? Like Vista. Or they spend $1.2b in advertising trying to convince people it's not a lame duck? Both probably.

As fare as i can tell the people is the same as the people i had when i got the new hotmail the only thing i see new is if i click a hotmail contact on the side is a link (permissions) to tell me what i am sharing with them.

One of the new offerings with the Windows Live Suite is the addition of POP3 for Hotmail for free, I am sure I read this somewhere Can anybody confirm or deny this?

@robertsjoe: I know other companies offer POP3 access but if your main email is with Hotmail the process of moving to a new email address is a real pain in the butt. As for the other email apps you sited as been "much better email client" that is obviously very much up for debate, but your advice is duely noted

@escully: Yes, which web based mail client is best is a personal opinion. But not providing at least POP3 access for free is so 2006. :)

"I thought POP3 was so 1990s anyway. I'd much prefer to see them implement IMAP." Try the 80's then. IMAP was developed in 1986. "Or get a much better email client, like GMail and you get POP3 and IMAP free." You also get something else for free: Big Brother Google reading all your emails and turning them into ads.

Wae, Gmail on the iPhone is pretty simple, without many features or any features. But it works with it. However, Gmail desktop UI really, really stinks. Replies get listed in a long string and will sometimes send your own reply back to you, unlike on the phone. Fortunately, I've gotten good at typing on the iPhone. I make fewer mistakes than on my Palm Treo little keys.

escully, Busysync [busymac.com] syncs Google cal with iCal, so that Saisuke syncing does need need Outlook.

That's nothing. I bought shirts from an online store with my AMEX card. About 7 months after my purchase, they inappropriately charged my account 3 more times, for $69.99, 79.99 and 59.99. I disputed the claim with AMEX and was told that when you give any store or vendor your credit card number, that is a contract that allows them to use it. If they use it inappropriately, you can dispute it. 'You cannot block a vendor/store as their rights need to be protected too'!!! WTF!!! I called and sent links about fraudulent charges by the hundreds with this company, but AMEX only called them and left a message that someone was disputing a charge. Since they did not respond to all three disputes, I got my money back one week at a time, but the company continues to charge fraudulently. I notified the NY AG office which sent me a confirmation note, but the company continues. Many did not even purchase from this company, but used another vendor that may have some affiliation. The point is, your info in never safe, no one cares and no one will lift a finger to do anything about. Google and my schedule/calendar? Tell them to feel free to post my location in PET/CT today all over the web and tomorrow at Mammography and Friday at 106. If someone gives a crap where I am nad can figure out what that means, I'll buy them coffee. But at least they won't get my credit card info. [I'll use cash for the coffee] Anyway, is there a difference with the Live Calender agreement? I like the look of the Livecal better, but it won't sync with the iPhone [which has a free WiFi tether app if you Jailbreak it, not Netshare, but PDAnet. It ain't secure, but no important info is on my ($400 Vista) laptop anyway.]

@gorath - check you PM...I just sent you one regarding the healtcare discussion on the thread that was just locked. --tayme

Wae, the OS wasn't the issue as it was the company. In fact, I made the purchase at work from an XP box. I am not real impressed with anything Google has to offer. I just wanted a monthly view calender with text on my phone, and the only one that worked was a $10 app [Saisuke] but it syncs with google. The Palm app equivalent is Datebk which costs $28. ON line, I can just use Exchange. But Windows Live stuff offers many features and is free. MobileMe ain't free. My Christmas wish is a Live app for the iPhone. AT least I found iPhone replacements for my needed Palm apps, in fact, iPhone Documents to Go will be here soon. Maybe they will give a discount to previous version owners. Sure they will[ rolls eyes]. I am using Live stuff more for backup just in case the phone fails. Google sux. And don't even get me in to the Google toolbar discussion, or I will get hostile. Google is evil :)

@Doc What did you mean about the OS? I mentioned Visa, as in the credit card company. I think you read that as "Vista", which is not what I was talking about. If your iPhone web browser supports AJAX, why not use it with http://calendar.live.com ? "And don't even get me in to the Google toolbar discussion, or I will get hostile." .... Google Toolbar - you love it. :P "Google sux." "Google is evil." We do agree, sir!

OMG Wae, this is why I tell the young docs to slow down when they read the films! Dang! Anyway, many had VISA and MC credit cards were involved as well as other Bank cards. And one more time. Google SUX. I see one more Google toolbar on another workstation at our Office, or at my home, I'm going to fly to their HQ and kick someone's butt.

@Doc - Yeah, but does Google still suck on your $400 laptop? (Hadn't seen it mentioned lately...had to ask) --tayme

In case you've never heard of those movies, here's a few links: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=I6WYHagWdeE http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CaHAXnOGj9k

Waethorn Yes, but we actually elect our Senate. :-)

mikegalos knows that because at one time he was a Canadian...along with a programmer, evangelist, farmer, and on and on and on...;-) <--Nudge, Nudge; Wink, Wink; Say no more. --tayme

"Officially, the Canadian Senate is appointed by Governor General (who is the official embodiment of H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth II in Canada) on the advice of the Prime Minister." Here's the real info: http://www.gg.ca/gg/rr/index_e.asp Since we changed from being a British Domain (we were called "Dominion of Canada" until the 1950's or so), we've asserted ourselves as being independent of the British monarchy. We do not answer to them. If you're referring to the use of the term "the Crown", it is meant [now] as a term analogous to "the State". The Governor General's role is "Head of State". The role is appointed by the previous Prime Minister, and the Governor General must be present to appoint the new PM. The appointment by the British monarchy is only a symbolic gesture as part of the tradition. Although the Senate doesn't often oppose House of Commons bills, they do review them, and have opposed some major bills in the past. They do review bills over a lengthier timeframe, and often come up with agreements more easily because they don't often have partisan arguments like they do in the House. It is mostly a "chamber of review" to give a second opinion on bills before they're passed. It's much better than some mental-midget d*ckhead with executive power being able to control everything. http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/AboutParl_Process.asp?Language=E&Sect=sencur

"Eventually, I had to learn how the Canadian government worked to maintain any sense of sanity when listening to the news." Well, you've got 2 major parties, and a few minor ones. You don't vote for the party leader - he's just a representative for the party. You vote for the MP (Member of Parliament) that directly impacts you: the local MP from the party that you like, based on the party's platform. Each party can have a representative that runs in a local riding. Some don't in certain areas....Anyways, bottom line is you vote for the party platform, and you hope that, through the chain of command, the party leader gets elected as PM, and doesn't screw up the country as badly as in the US. What's better than the US is that the party is ultimately held responsible for the leader's action, so they won't let the leader mess up so bad and make them look like idiots. The other nice thing is that there's opposition to the ruling party. If the ruling party doesn't have enough seats in the House of Commons, they become a minority government, and the Official Opposition Party can overrule any bills that they don't agree with. It can be a real catfight sometimes. If both parties agree, it gets passed to the Senate for review. They can disallow a bill from passing, but parties in the Senate get along better than those in the House, so it doesn't happen often. It makes for a lot more drama in politics. We now have 1 major (Liberals), and 2 minor parties (NDP - New Democratic Party, and Bloq Quebecois) that are now banding together to bring about a confidence vote on the current government, based on their disapproval of the Federal Minister of Finance's new budget proposals. If they can pull a vote of non-confidence, we could be looking at another general election to take place. Now, THAT'S entertainment! ;) "Canadian politics is a lot like watching a cricket match." Cricket isn't a Canadian sport, sorry. Basketball, Lacrosse, and Hockey (based on Lacrosse) were invented by Canadians.