Vista-to-7 upgrade: 20 hours?

Um, what? In a weird report, Gregg Keizer at IDG News says that upgrading in-place from Windows Vista to Windows 7 "could take over 20 hours to complete, according to Microsoft." This sounded suspicious to me, so I took a few seconds to see if this could be accurate.

Turns out it's another example of sensationalist journalism, and you just gotta love that he chose the "20 hour" bit for his headline. (Actual headline: "Microsoft: Windows 7 upgrades to take 20 hours." Really nice.)

The Microsoft blog post Keizer got this info from concludes with the following:

From the testing we have done, the results show that Windows 7 upgrade time is faster or equal within a 5% threshold to the Vista SP1 upgrade time.

Sounds OK, right? And the point here, of course, is that the Vista-to-7 upgrade experience is excellent. In fact, it's possible to upgrade to Windows 7 in as little as one hour and 24 minutes, again, according to Microsoft. (I'm curious why the headline isn't, "Microsoft: Windows 7 upgrades to take as little as 90 minutes." Wait, no I'm not.)

So where does the 20 hour thing come from? Well, in its bid to be as inclusionary as possible, Microsoft tested a wide range of upgrade scenarios. And on a so-called 32-bit "medium system" (really a "super user" somehow constrained to "low-end hardware"), yeah, it can apparently take all day. (Go figure, but the same PC/person configuration in 64-bits takes half the time, at 10 hours.)

UPDATE: Microsoft updated its post to include this info about the "20 hour" scenario:

The "super user profile" is not a normal user; rather, it's the user profile that represents the extreme power-user who's working with an enormous data set (650Gb of user data) and a large number of installed applications. This user profile is not representative of what most "regular" users, who typically have a much smaller data set and would therefore experience a much, much shorter upgrade time.

What bugs me about this is that it wouldn't be hard to, a) get an actual average of the upgrade time based on Microsoft's figures (hint: Nowhere near 20 hours) and, b) get an average of the upgrade time for scenarios that are in fact realistic for actual customers. In my experience, the Vista-to-7 upgrade takes a couple of hours on actual PCs that have really been used by real people. But I find the Microsoft data here to be overly conservative (i.e. "taking more time than in the real world") for that and another reason: I've performed clean installs of Windows 7 in 15 minutes, 20 minutes tops, and that's true even in virtual environments. But a clean install could take 27 to 47 minutes (according to Keizer, anyway). Seems to me that Microsoft is just covering its bases so it won't hear any complaining from those who try this stuff on borderline PCs.

And its seems like Keizer and/or IDG News are going for the cheap-shot headline. Let's leave that stuff to the blogosphere, eh?

Discuss this Article 127

evgenij
on Sep 14, 2009
Ocean, If you want to submit feedback you can contact Paul directly using email.. However, doing it here is considered trolling. Just because you don't like something, don't spoil it for the rest who do.
Waethorn
on Sep 14, 2009
"And the statement you quoted me as saying was in regards to your love of everything MS." Ya, that's why I own a PS3 instead of an Xbox 360....
Waethorn
on Sep 14, 2009
"Snow Leopard is "a debacle"." Snow Leopard IS a debacle. If you don't realize that already, you're blind. Vista wasn't Windows Me 2 - Snow Leopard is! (In retrospect, Windows Me wasn't that bad for me, but going by public perception, Snow Leopard is probably the worst OS X since the first one, according to most online reviews that note any compatibility issues, instead of instantly giving it a pass. I would say it's because Mac's used for any amount of productivity are dedicated to a specialized task, and they don't have the flexibility to switch to alternative, compatible software as Windows does.)
panache1023
on Sep 14, 2009
Evgenij, You are either mentally retarded, or are purposely continuing to not understand my point. You said, "It is impossible to contribute anything with trolls like you on this site, complaining day and night about Paul and his "unfair" reviews." Meanwhile, I NEVER complained about an unfair review. I simply AGREED with Ocean that Pauls nonsense claiming that Mac fans are braindead, brainwashed, or lemmings in BULLSHIT and not actually PART of a review at all. Then I had to keep defending WHY it's bullshit, and not actually part of a review. Can you seriously not follow that?! And once again...when Paul actually posts news, or reviews, without the hypocritical "snark" that he so FREQUENTLY criticizes Apple and its fans for, it's pretty good site. THAT is why I continue to come here. Can you seriously not follow that either?!
panache1023
on Sep 14, 2009
Waethorn, Does owning a PS3 instead of a 360 somehow diminish your love of MS? I don't think it does.
Waethorn
on Sep 14, 2009
@chuck: This is what I talking about: http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=613 I actually found that just minutes AFTER I posted the previous comment too.
Ocean
on Sep 14, 2009
"If you want to submit feedback you can contact Paul directly using email.. However, doing it here is considered trolling." Not according to Paul. His is the opinion that counts.
Waethorn
on Sep 14, 2009
"I simply AGREED with Ocean that Pauls nonsense claiming that Mac fans are braindead, brainwashed, or lemmings in BULLSHIT and not actually PART of a review at all." No, you didn't. You agreed with everybody on here that you are one of "Apple's most fanatical fans" by taking insult to Paul's comments that would say you accept everything that Apple shovels down your throat, regardless of whether or not it is detrimental to you - ie. a lemming. You also claimed that your wife is also one of "Apple's most fanatical fans" by arguing that Paul called her a lemming. Do you follow yet? "Does owning a PS3 instead of a 360 somehow diminish your love of MS? I don't think it does." So I "love everything Microsoft", but I don't own an Xbox 360? Ya, that makes sense. "Can you seriously not follow that?!" Physics in this universe would not allow that to compute. But then, I'm not under the influence of an RDF. I don't "love" Microsoft, but then, if by that you mean I hate Apple, when then there's your answer. Hypocrite.
Waethorn
on Sep 14, 2009
"His is the opinion that counts." It is HIS blog after all. Um, what was the link to yours again?....
tayme
on Sep 14, 2009
Waethorn is right...this is Paul's blog. He can write what he wants. If you genuinely don't like what he writes, skip it. I understand that many of you *THINK* that this is a "Windows site dedicated for Windows". That must be because it is titled "SuperSite for Windows"; butr if you have been reading Paul's stuff for long - I have been since it was an email newsletter - you would realize that he writes about a lot of technology. Would it satisfy you if he renamed it and removed the workd Windows from the title? Would you get it then? Doubtful...I am guessing that you would all rather b*i*t*c*h and moan and be miserable. Enjoy that. --tayme
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
Almost a whole DAY to install Windows 7. Great work Windows team! Pathetic.
chuckb84
on Sep 14, 2009
Waethorn, "Snow Leopard IS a debacle. If you don't realize that already, you're blind. Vista wasn't Windows Me 2 - Snow Leopard is!" I've upgraded 4 Macs with no issues. The 5th one had two issues, both involving 3rd party plugins to customize Apple Mail. The developers had updates within a few days. Debacle? No. I agree with Paul that the travails with Vista were overdone in the media. However, they certainly were, by any rational assessment, much worse than the Snow Leopard "debacle". So, if you think Vista was a debacle, I will not try to dissuade you. (That's a Mike Galos argument :) ). SL is a mostly developer-oriented, under-the-hood update of an OS that was already very good. It has a few nice UI tweaks, but it's minor stuff, as Apple said all along. As for the link you posted, I run Office and updated to SL on a production machine in the midst of several critical projects. No issues. The reason I was willing to to do that is because of how simple it is to make a snapshot of the OS. So, I backed up Leopard and then updated. Except for the 2 Mail plugins, no issues at all, and I fiddle with the OS a lot.
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
"Wow I thought this was the place to come for sensationalist journalism?" No, no. You're in the right place! No facts, just FUD. Welcome to Supersite for Apple.. um I mean Windows.
evgenij
on Sep 14, 2009
panache, You are a typical troll who needs to throw in insults when he runs out of things to say. You moron, in all of your posts all you do is complain and complain. You are the true retard here who hates everything that is written in this blog yet you continue to return and complain about the unfairness of Paul. I looked through your posts and didn't see a single one that actually "contributed" to the discussions. It's always either about how Paul is unfair, biased or how he is wrong or how Microsoft is wrong. YES, Paul writes bullshit and he hates Mac users. Happy now? Are you going to now leave this blog alone and never flood here again? You are not wanted here, go start your own blog and counterpoint Paul there. "Retard".
evgenij
on Sep 14, 2009
And "Pinocchio", Regarding your original reply. I do not comment at all on this site, actually. However, I love to read the blog and would love to have productive comments here too. The problem is that almost in each post it is people who are simply trolling and flooding the comments section that it impossible to distinguish between the on-topic comments and the complete derailment like on this post. And look, sorry, if I offended you in my previous comment, I didn't mean to create any hard feelings. I just wish that things could just calm down, you know. In reality, this IS Paul's site and he can post whatever he wants. You can flood, troll, fight.. but it wont change anything. It only affects people who actually want to get some decent info.
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
Windows 7 is really becoming quite a debacle for Microsoft. Firstly they release what is now known as the worst marketing commercial in Microsoft's history. And that's saying a lot, with their long track record of terrible marketing and ads. Truly, truly awful commercial. Besides, the Chinese kid should know that the number 8 is lucky. Not 7! Now Windows 7 is taking up to a day to install. That is even worse. Microsoft: Its products and users, always a joke.
pthurrott
on Sep 14, 2009
This is shockingly off topic. I don't relish the thought of micromanaging this BS again,but you guys are getting ridiculous.
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
"This is shockingly off topic. I don't relish the thought of micromanaging this BS again,but you guys are getting ridiculous." Just following your lead. The off topic posts that are just Apple bashing, that are on a Windows blog.
Ocean
on Sep 14, 2009
>>You moron...You are the true retard here<< Yikes!
evgenij
on Sep 14, 2009
Ocean, I responded the same way he responded to me.
Ocean
on Sep 14, 2009
Two wrongs don't = something right.
evgenij
on Sep 14, 2009
Ocean, You are right. Which is why in the post after that, I apologized to him. I had no right to call him those things. This is only the Internet, right? It was very low of me.
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
If you want to see what excellent ads looks like, and not that pathetic Windows 7 dribble, check this one out: http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/gallery/ads/ Now that's class! Not "Lame Microsoft" (tm)
robertsjoe
on Sep 14, 2009
@evgenij: "This is a Windows site dedicated for Windows. There are many people, including me, who love this site and love to read the blog." That's where you are wrong. The last thing this site is "is dedicated for Windows". It's a Microsoft driven forum to trash and spread FUD about Microsoft's competitors. Predominantly Apple and Google. Don't be mislead by the title, it's not "dedicated for Windows."
panache1023
on Sep 15, 2009
evgenij, I understand what you are saying, but as I am sure you are aware, it is frustrating sometimes to deal with people on a board like this. :) Here is the thing. Paul could have easily wrote that entire review of iTunes and NOT made his comments about lemmings / braindead or whatever...it had absolutely nothing to do with iTunes being great, or being a total piece of trash. You want there to be good discussion on this board? Me too! I bet it will happen as soon as Paul finds out a way to contain his contempt for the users of Apple products. You don't think this post would have been better WITHOUT those ridiculous comments that started this whole off topic rant? Then you get Waethorn that sits here and talks about how great MS is and all of their products, then says he doesn't have an XBOX 360 so it PROVES he doesn't love all things MS.... It's just ridiculous...he doesn't see in himself exactly what he complains about in others. Maybe if everyone kept their opinions to themselves about other people because of PRODUCTS they use, this kind of thing wouldn't happen to begin with. Anyway, I think if you really did look at ALL my posts, I don't think MS is ALWAYS wrong, or whatever it was you said...I think that Mike Galos is wrong often, and I am actually happy with / enjoy using most of the MS software I have....oh, and my original XBOX 360 is still going strong.
panache1023
on Sep 15, 2009
Waethorn, Sometimes you seem like an alright guy, and others you are just off the wall. You say that since you don't have an XBOX 360 it proves that you don't "love all things MS". I counter that just because I have ONE iMac (and three other computers running windows) and ONE iPod Touch, it doesn't mean I'm an Apple FANATIC because I don't feel Paul Thurott needs to put ridiculous comments about Apple product users every time he reviews an Apple product he dislikes. I'm a hypocrite because I like MS and Apple products?! I didn't know I had to choose just one.
chuckb84
on Sep 15, 2009
"This is shockingly off topic. I don't relish the thought of micromanaging this BS again,but you guys are getting ridiculous." Changing your words and writing style can stop it anytime. Honestly, the stuff from the iTunes review that provoked what you find off-topic makes you look petty and small. Of course, looking back at this blog over time, and the predecessor, the internet-nexus, shows that this thing with Apple is practically congenital, so I don't expect it to change. But, if you want to be perceived as a serious commentator, act like one. The tone you take with Leo is much different than the snarky, bitter tone that permeates what you write here. I understand that your writing style is red meat for some of the tiny audience here, but is that the small group you want to remain confined to?

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