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... and it's the last build before the build 7300 RTM escrow build. How can you tell it's getting close to final? The build no longer accepts Beta/RC product keys. More soon if it warrants it...
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What is changed/different can you please tell Paul? Any changes in Windows Explorer/taskbar?
Have you noticed anything different in this build? Hopefully for the sake of your book nothing much has changed. I wonder when Microsoft will post the final build on Technet?
"I wonder when Microsoft will post the final build on Technet?"
No earlier than the RTM date, I reckon.
not sure if we can still use the RC key to activate the build.
Darn... downloading.
darkmax
To quote Paul above, "The build no longer accepts Beta/RC product keys. "
@darkmax:
Paul said: "The build no longer accepts Beta/RC product keys."
I propose a bet to Paul Thurrott:
I bet $132 (the number of days remaining to the GA of Win7) that the MS protection of W7 gets cracked before release date (Oct. 22nd).
If i win (Win7 activation gets cracked) Paul gives me a free copy of Windows 7 (retail copy with a nice box and everything).
If Win7 activation remains uncracked until the GA date I will buy Windows 7 Secrets books from Paul for the amount of the bet and they will be given away for free by Paul to Supersite readers or Windows Weekly listeners via traditional email selection.
I am good for my word. Interested if you (Paul) will accept the bet.
Kadar Zsolt
kadarzsolt: I'm kind of confused as to why you think Paul would take that bet. Has he ever said that Windows 7 activation would not get cracked? I'm not sure he's ever even defended Microsoft's use of activation technology. Just the opposite, I think he's complained several times about the frustration caused by activation issues. I think you're just looking for a free copy of Windows 7.
Word on the street is the RC keys work fine, and the initial rumor was false. :)
I think the same hack that worked to extend Vista activation worked with the pre-beta back in October.
If MS sells it for a reasonable price like it sounds only a douche bag would pirate it.
I'll buy the book because the Vista Secrets book aided me several times especially when restoring data from a backup using Vista's built in backup and restore feature. I'll also buy it because I enjoy the podcast and the blog and like supporting things I benefit from.
whiplash
"If MS sells it for a reasonable price like it sounds only a douche bag would pirate it."
And if you don't like the price then it's OK to steal it? Odd set of ethics you have there. I'd hate to be a Porsche or Apple dealer in your neighborhood.
I just read Thurrott's IT Pro's 'news' article about wwdc. With vitriolic garbage like "on-stage shenanigans of its maestro" and "typically ludicrous claims" and "condescending and self-congratulatory" and "hidden realities and mind-numbingly boring demos" and "In Microsoft terms, the release is essentially a service pack (and the type of thing Microsoft can and does distribute for free)", one sees that Paul's lunacy has now bleed over to his 'straight' news articles. He used to be able to contain his craziness just for the winsupershill site but now he's completely derailed.
I say congrats apple for cracking paul up to this degree that he can't contain himself. I so wish he'd bust out with these phrases when talking to Leo Laporte. A couple more apple events like this and I'm sure he'll crack up there too.
"And if you don't like the price then it's OK to steal it? Odd set of ethics you have there. I'd hate to be a Porsche or Apple dealer in your neighborhood."
Mike Galos for the win! Mentioning Apple in a thread that has NOTHING to do with Apple.
Attaboy! We knew you could do it!
Uh, Mike, seriously: Get a life.
evox, because I'm a windows user. But even if I weren't, I'd still be out here for the same reason Paul 'reviews' non Microsoft products [or why he reads Mossberg or Pogue]: because it's a free country to troll in. Which is what he does, I do, and you do.
gfyesc1,
Yah, and the part that is most relevant is, "At its annual Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco yesterday, a Steve Jobs–less Apple attempted to live up to the on-stage shenanigans of its maestro, announcing new products, taking one-sided jabs at competitors, and generally exaggerating things before a tittering, sycophantic crowd."
"Taking one-sided jabs at competitors, and generally exaggerating things before a tittering, sycophantic crowd."
A perfect description of this blog, winsuperhyocrisy.
"I say congrats apple for cracking paul up to this degree that he can't contain himself. I so wish he'd bust out with these phrases when talking to Leo Laporte. A couple more apple events like this and I'm sure he'll crack up there too."
Hah! Funny. If Apple's gotten to Paul, Paul's gotten to you. You better hope Paul doesn't crack up if you don't want to have to pay for shrink sessions.
meh shark, I think paul cracked me up when he gave Windows ME a positive review. That's how I knew the guy is either full of it or getting paid by Microsoft's PR arm on the back end [probably in the form of early internal strategies, releases, and access to all levels for his book sources]. If he ever chops down this money tree what could he possibly do with his time, finish off COD achievements? That's why listening to him or pogue or mossberg is fairly useless because they're all tainted by tying their livelihoods to just one company. If you want a fair shake try listening to someone that isn't financially invested... Mary Jo is probably about as straight up as you'll find on the windows side.
HEY FANBOIS! GET A LIFE! THIS TOPIC HAS NO APPLE CONTENT IN IT. NOT EVERYTHING IS APPLE.
kenmcnamee said:
" I'm kind of confused as to why you think Paul would take that bet. (...) I think you're just looking for a free copy of Windows 7."
I just want to make the same point as Paul did (not so evidently of course) that the presence of activation technology in MS products is futile from day 1 and it only screws businesses and honest customers.
If MS would just "let" some users take Windows (in this case) and use it on home machines (to self train) it would be extremely beneficial for business adoption and computing security in general (fewer users would stay on IE6 and old, less secure versions of Windows).
We had some great experience with Office Ready PC promotions. In that case an OEM can just put Office on a computer and let the user see the benefit of legit software instead of just nagging them to pay the entire price of the product all at once.
all and all... just making a point...
@Mike
No I'm not condoning piracy actually theft in any case, I did misspeak and thanks for pointing that out.
that's pretty clever, darkmax. I guess this is a Windows fanboy only echo chamber that we're in. that's kool and the gang, I'm a PC! kudos on the caps as well, it's an effective tool of wordsmiths the world over.
I'm... not a PC... I'm not the machine, I'm the person using the faulty machine.... lol
Sorry, I had to use caps. People, fanbois or not, are getting out of control.
"I think the same hack that worked to extend Vista activation worked with the pre-beta back in October."
If you're talking about the evaluation extension "hack", it's actually not one. It's designed for customers that need to extend their evaluation period. It's well documented by Microsoft on their partner and IT-related sites (like TechNet). It just resets the activation time counter.
"If MS would just "let" some users take Windows (in this case) and use it on home machines (to self train) it would be extremely beneficial for business adoption and computing security in general (fewer users would stay on IE6 and old, less secure versions of Windows)."
They already have a system in place. Businesses that purchase software assurance get home-use packages for users to train on. It's a 1:1 licensing system. Each business license comes with 1 additional license for a home user to experience it and train themselves on it. There's also online training courses, and coupons for classroom training.
Plus, there's an employee purchase program where they can purchase home products (like entertainment products like Xbox stuff) for much less than retail.
IT folks would get a TechNet Plus subscription to train on all the latest software. It comes with non-time-trial evaluation software licenses for most Microsoft business software products (server, client, Office, security, etc.). The IT dept. or professional can learn about the software before the company deploys it. It costs much less to learn and use something like that than to do classroom training.
This stuff is already available, and has been for some time now. It sounds like you just want something for nothing. The reality is that conventional training and education of IT products costs A LOT! This is much cheaper.
@darkmax
look at it this way: apple has very dedicated users (aka fanboys) and Microsoft has 95% if the OS market. it is a balanced world.
I cannot imagine a world where Windows users are as vocal as Apple fans.
whiplash
"No I'm not condoning piracy actually theft in any case, I did misspeak and thanks for pointing that out."
I was surprised that you were taking the "If I think x costs too much then it's OK if I steal it" tone that's become such a common justification for intellectual property theft. I glad your wording was an error and not statement of philosophy.
"I cannot imagine a world where Windows users are as vocal as Apple fans. "
Ah, but to dream of a world where Apple fans were only as vocal as Windows users.
"If MS would just "let" some users take Windows (in this case) and use it on home machines (to self train) it would be extremely beneficial for business adoption and computing security in general (fewer users would stay on IE6 and old, less secure versions of Windows)."
In the case of businesses, they should've upgraded long ago, but that decision is not left up to users.
"We had some great experience with Office Ready PC promotions. In that case an OEM can just put Office on a computer and let the user see the benefit of legit software instead of just nagging them to pay the entire price of the product all at once."
The Office Ready PC program is quite a good one. All of the PC's I sell incorporate that system unless the customer outright purchases Office with the system.
I agree that Microsoft should offer evaluation ISO's of Windows for download too, but they do offer them in VHD format for use in Virtual PC already though.
MikeGalos,
They already are, look at this board.
If you are taking the POV that only the Apple fanbois are rabid freaks, I would suggest you re-read some of the posts on this board...
Won't mention anyone by name though.. ;) ;) WINK WINK. HAHAHA
@Waethorn
I know all that. I worked for a company with SA and the boss did not approve the use of those benefits. We were "stuck" on W2000 Pro years into XP availability, until we eventually convinced management that the downtime (for the upgrade process) is well justified. Reality is different from the marketing mambo-jumbo. The truth is that almost all our users knew XP rather well by the time of the upgrade thanks to that single leaked volume license key.
"I was surprised that you were taking the "If I think x costs too much then it's OK if I steal it" tone that's become such a common justification for intellectual property theft. I glad your wording was an error and not statement of philosophy."
That's what the Swedish Pirate Party's philosophy is.
Well... Apple fanbois are very loud and senselessly defensive about their "alma mater".
Windows users are very prone to attacking them on this.
That is all fine as long as it does not turn into personal attacks.
"I worked for a company with SA and the boss did not approve the use of those benefits"
And that's not the users decision either. The users aren't paying for those benefits.
"The truth is that almost all our users knew XP rather well by the time of the upgrade thanks to that single leaked volume license key."
Sounds like somebody at your firm should be fired for lack of IT security then.
Anyway, I've been using 7229 for more than 12 hours now. nothing unusual. But I did find the initial hour after the startup to be a bit..... sluggish.
Still having the BSOD I get since 7201, and a system reserved partition (despite a clean install). Both of which did not happen before 7201.
Anyway, I've been using 7229 for more than 12 hours now. nothing unusual. But I did find the initial hour after the startup to be a bit..... sluggish.
Still having the BSOD I get since 7201, and a system reserved partition (despite a clean install). Both of which did not happen before 7201.
"Still having the BSOD I get since 7201, and a system reserved partition (despite a clean install). Both of which did not happen before 7201."
Two things:
1) What is the code for the BSOD? Does it say the STOP error code? If it's a clean install with nothing else, I'd say it's hardware-related. Windows shouldn't BSOD on a clean install unless you've either installed incompatible drivers, or the hardware isn't 100% compatible (check for an updated BIOS or firmware for devices), or else is defective.
2) The reserved partition has been there since the start. It's used for the bootloader. All versions of Windows 7 since the public beta create one if you use the standard GUI install. You can only override that if you use an unattended installation.
