Windows 7 public beta in 2009 … as previously announced

How do I say this nicely? Randall C. Kennedy is kind of an idiot.

No, wait. That’s not harsh enough, given the amount of incredible BS this guy has spouted recently.

In the interests of not wanting to give this guy too much attention, I’ll just say this. He wrote today that Microsoft has “now officially delayed the release of the first public Windows 7 beta until early 2009.”

That is not true.

In late October, Microsoft announced at the PDC 2008 reviewers workshop—that Kennedy tried unsuccessfully to sneak into, by the way*—and then again at the PDC day 2 keynote that it would release the Windows 7 Beta in early 2009 and then ship that beta to the public soon thereafter. I wrote about this at the time, as did many other people, I’m sure. And I know Kennedy reads my stuff because he mentions me all the time now.

But don’t believe me. Read it for yourself. Here’s what Steven Sinofksy had to say about the Windows 7 beta on October 28, 2008, about one month before Kennedy’s latest crazy screed:

“I'm here today to tell you we're going to deliver the [Windows 7] beta early next year as well ... We're going to open up the beta broadly, and stay-tuned on Microsoft.com/Windows for how you'll be able to download the beta just if you're interested in it.”

So.

He’s a liar. Or he’s delusional. Based on my few run-ins with him, it’s quite possibly both. But to be clear, Microsoft did not “delay” the release of the public Windows 7 beta.

Back to the real world…


* PS: Not only did Kennedy try unsuccessfully to sneak into the Windows 7 Reviewers Workshop at PDC, but when he didn’t get in and discovered that attendees received loaner laptops for use in testing Windows 7, he begged Microsoft for one. When refused, he wrote another classic screed about how those who did get laptops were “the media elite” and “Friends of Microsoft (FOM).” Because, you know, people who review products for a living write favorable reviews when they get to use said products for free. Sigh.

Discuss this Article 91

Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
He says that the beta was supposed to have been released at the end of 2008. Not much difference there, certainly not enough for him to make a big deal about it. >>Delaying the public beta program -- which was generally accepted to be slated for the mid-December 2008 timeframe -- is a smart move.<<
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
Pauls friend Mary DID say mid-December. I guess Randell just missed the updated info. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1582
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
Up until the day Sinofsky updated everyone, mid-December was the understood date: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1667
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 25, 2008
Ocean Paul's right. You're wrong. Period. Nobody said December except bloggers reporting rumors and guesses. And any of them saying so after the PDC were just being either ignorant or irresponsible. What you call "the day Sinofsky updated everyone" was the day Windows 7 was announced at the PDC. That was the FIRST date given. Period. It wasn't updating anyone.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 25, 2008
The best part of Randall Kennedy's delusional "article" is that he not only thinks Microsoft delayed the beta (even though the date has stayed exactly the same) but he actually claims that Microsoft delayed the beta because he personally scared them into delaying it. And he gets paid for that? No, let me clarify, he gets paid for that by the actual paper he writes for? I mean, I'd understand if one of their competitors was paying him to destroy what little credibilty they had left, but, seriously? They Pay Him?
jbalcius
on Nov 25, 2008
Mary Jo Foley's article (Your link) is reporting on an unnamed source. So it's a rumor. MS has never gone on record saying that the Public Beta will be in December. Frankly, I can't see the significance of any claims of delays as MS hasn't even announced a release date yet.
DarkSages
on Nov 25, 2008
The Mary December date I think is when the Beta was going to be ready not when it was going to be avalible. Plus it was all rumors....
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Go gettem tiger!!!!!!! Paul is right, Ocean is right, Ocean is Wrong, Marry Jo is the Queen of Windows, Mike is never right???????????? Really does anyone care about when a Beta of a SP2 for Vista will be made available?? Here is a question, how much room will be consumed in the landfills of the world for the media this beta will reside on when its tossed for beta 3 or RC1 2-3 months later??? Honestly Paul its funny when I see you say stuff like "I wrote about this before anyone or I said if first" blah...blah...blah. Do you get little trophies for when your right? How about when your wrong, do they take some away. It is like Achievements on the 360? Do you callouses on your hand from patting yourself on the back:):) I think we should have a Blogger's Arena event, like Gladiators. I would pay for that. Do you think you could take Randall with a tiger in the Arena at the same time??:) File this under "Nothing to write about today"
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
Two points. 1. L ots of tech news gets distributed via bloggers today. Paul claims to have broken a lot of news on his blog: most importantly, that Apple was leaving the powerPC platform and moving to Intel. 2. Mary Foley is a Mainstream Journalist...who just happens to blog. Can't have it both ways. In the absence of other reporting, Mary's reporting was...as Randall said the "generally accepted" timeframe. Lots of websites carried it.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 25, 2008
Lindy Paul was right Ocean was wrong Mary Jo guessed wrong (both articles were about rumors and published before the announcment) I was right (deal with it)
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
>>I was right<< LOL
weedmonk
on Nov 25, 2008
I'm sure his crap be quoted by the many of the vacuous insecure iBoi's in the various blogs and sites that Google News will aggregate this under a major headline. It's happened before. The click through he's generated should make this obvious but whatever.
whiplash55
on Nov 25, 2008
So this guy actually take credit for delaying a beta. Give me a break, the guy is a delusional idiot from what I've read. I guess he had issue's with the pre-beta wow the pre-beta isn't perfect. He probably got it off Pirate Bay, why would Microsoft give this jerk a copy of anything?
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Mike here is the beauty of it, you replied to my stupid post about this stupid subject. Your right because your a legend in your own mind.
shark47
on Nov 25, 2008
Ahh, the anonymous sources... "Really does anyone care about when a Beta of a SP2 for Vista will be made available??" No. But I do care when the beta of Windows 7 is made available. If you don't, that's entirely your problem. "Here is a question, how much room will be consumed in the landfills of the world for the media this beta will reside on when its tossed for beta 3 or RC1 2-3 months later??? " Are you all right?
chuckb84
on Nov 25, 2008
Uh, guys, at this point the difference between "now" and "early 2009" is about 5 weeks. This is just not that big a controversy. A better question is when they'll ship it.
SandmanX82
on Nov 25, 2008
@ Lindy Nothing to write about today, huh? A lot of you trolls seem to spend quite a bit of time writing on these blogs on topics that you have no interest in or that don't matter according to you. Must be that gun that's pointed to your head that's making you read these and waste space with your oh-so insightful comments. Honestly Lindy, in what way has your comment added any value whatsoever to this post?
daveinla
on Nov 25, 2008
"Lindy Paul was right Ocean was wrong Mary Jo guessed wrong (both articles were about rumors and published before the announcment) I was right (deal with it) " OK I think it's pathological now...
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
>>Uh, guys, at this point the difference between "now" and "early 2009" is about 5 weeks. This is just not that big a controversy.<< Thank you. (and as stated in the first post)
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Perfectly fine Sharky and yes I do care about landfills over flowing with crap more than I do Windows 7 Beta 1. Even more than what day Windows 7 Beta 1 will be released, and even more than which IT blogger got the date right. Call me crazy.
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
@Sandman X, I would use your teeth to get your panties out of a knot. I read this blog because I am killing time and find Pauls, Waethorn, and Mike very entertaining to read. I love to get a rise out of Mike at least once a week, check...done. The better question is what has this blog post added or contributed to your life? It has provided me some humor at least and yes your were part of that humor.
Delmont
on Nov 25, 2008
Sandman, It is tough, but you just have to not acknowledge Lindy and Ocean. They are idiots trying to bait everyone into some garbage off topic discussion.
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Uh, guys, at this point the difference between "now" and "early 2009" is about 5 weeks. This is just not that big a controversy. Is this using the Chinese calendar or the Gregorian calendar? It will matter on who we declare the winner and the looser.
kalewallace
on Nov 25, 2008
Oh My God, I feel dumber for reading his article. God, this guy is an idiot. HE and HIS scathing report was responsible for the "delay" of the beta. ha ha . What a moron. This should be a blog post where no one fights with each other, but just takes turn calling Kennedy a new dirty word.
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Hold it Delmont, I never claimed to have any topic at all in this thread:)
Waethorn
on Nov 25, 2008
Um....when is Microsoft's fiscal year-end?
shark47
on Nov 25, 2008
I guess I misread that landfill statement of yours, lindy. My apologies. :)
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
My apologies. :) Excepted fine sir!!!
SandmanX82
on Nov 25, 2008
@Lindy, Where did I say this post contributed anything to my life? Apparently you get humor out of it. That tells me 1 of 2 things: 1. You're still at a pre-pubescent age in which trolling blogs is funny to you...hey, that's just part of being a kid I guess. 2. You're an adult who finds it funny to troll a blog...in which case that's extremely sad. You're only furthering stereotypes that us tech geeks (which we are if we're partaking in keeping up on this stuff) are both socially inept and akward. So which is it? I'm guessing number 1, because I can't say I personally know adults in real life that act this way.
tayme
on Nov 25, 2008
@kalewallace - Can we use made up dirty words? Otherwise, it'll show up as as all asterisks. --tayme
tayme
on Nov 25, 2008
@Lindy - That should be "Accepted"...That's one large [SIC] hammer against your skull. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Nov 25, 2008
kalewallace I admit, I had an advantage in reading Randall Kennedy's piece (feel free to speculate on piece of what) in that I read it before I had coffee and luckily most of my brain cells weren't awake yet to be exposed. I'm thinking maybe all of us who read it should file a class action lawsuit agaist Infoworld for not putting up a warning that reading Randall Kennedy can lead to brain damage.
gorath
on Nov 25, 2008
Maybe the madness hamsters ate all his brain?
kalewallace
on Nov 25, 2008
@mike People sue for less nowadays.
SandmanX82
on Nov 25, 2008
Most negative news articles about Windows or anything Microsoft are usually followed with a lot of "Microsoft Sucks" comments and the like. The comments that people left on that page actually call him out on his stupidity, which is a rarity to me at least.
sjaak327
on Nov 25, 2008
I have read a piece of this individual a few weeks back, one big rant, in which he complains that Windows 7 (pre beta !) broke Vmware's network stack and was unable to run deamon tools. A classic piece of journalism, I'm shocked that he actually gets a salary for his work, as it is clearly lacking in knowledge. He doens't deserve any mention.
johnbaxter
on Nov 25, 2008
Unfortunately this sort of blogger frenzy happens all the time. Some blogger, either with what s/he thinks is good reason or out of whole cloth ("gee, if I say this I get lots of page view, and I'm below quota this month") says something about company Xs plans (or company A, or M, or G, or Y...). Another blogger sees it, and thinks "OK, that kinda makes sense, and I'm below page view quota this month: I'll copy it, embellished a little". And on and on until it is something "everyone knows." But it still has nothing concrete to do with company X's plans. Then company X announces something related but different, and suddenly they have "changed their plans" or "delayed Y" or "not delivered the $800 MacBook" or ... This case is unusual in that the blogger frenzy died down nicely when Microsoft made their announcement, and then suddenly after about a month's delay R Kennedy noticed. Mary Jo was very careful in what she said originally here. And the real frenzy never developed, but still the "this year" meme was somewhat out there. Until the real announcement (or a month later in Kennedy's case). I tend to trust Paul, Mary Jo Foley, and Ed Bott because they tend to be careful to distinguish between fact, almost fact, something from "a source" (the kid behind the lunch counter?), and something from the oracle (lower case) in the state park high atop Tiger Mountain. When does the National Enquirer start its Technology section?
meason
on Nov 25, 2008
I usually don't read info world, now I know why......
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
@Sandy #3 getting you to reply to my posts.
Dipsh t Admin
on Nov 25, 2008
"how much room will be consumed in the landfills of the world for the media this beta will reside on when its tossed for beta 3 or RC1 2-3 months later???" Probably very little, since the dawn of electronic distribution.
Waethorn
on Nov 25, 2008
"I'm thinking maybe all of us who read it should file a class action lawsuit agaist Infoworld" We should at least sue Infoworld for their incessant, wasteful mailings of CRN magazine and the like. What a bunch of garbage. It goes straight from my mail slot, right into my shredder. Infoworld is associated with eWeek too, so Kennedy is likely buddies with Wilcox.
Waethorn
on Nov 25, 2008
"Windows 7 (pre beta !) ....was unable to run deamon tools" OH NOES! Windows 7 actually prevents spyware-bundled apps from running on your computer! CALAMITY!
SandmanX82
on Nov 25, 2008
Lindy: "@Sandy #3 getting you to reply to my posts." Congrats...I guess. Want a cookie? I guess your question to Paul applies to yourself: "Do you get little trophies for when your right? How about when your wrong, do they take some away. It is like Achievements on the 360? Do you callouses on your hand from patting yourself on the back:):)"
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
"Probably very little, since the dawn of electronic distribution" yep if you going to install over the top of vista, provided this beta will allow that at this point. My question is how do you know when your done since they look the same:) Or if you have a big enough Flash drive, say 8gig you could boot from it and install it. Or setup a WDS server and install from it? Or burn a DVD like most.
Lindy
on Nov 25, 2008
Yes I want Pauls trophy!!!! I will take the cookie as well.
Waethorn
on Nov 25, 2008
"yep if you going to install over the top of vista, provided this beta will allow that at this point" I'm looking forward to built-in VHD support myself. I wonder how you'd defragment such a thing though....
subzerohitman721
on Nov 25, 2008
For those of us who actually paid attention, Windows 7 beta comes out in 2009. That wasn't a surprise to anyone who really stays informed. Whats truely sad is the lack of professional moderation on this board to keep the "iCabalist" on a very short leash. Ocean and Lindy just keep adding more credibility to the "iCabal" theory. There are other sites dedicated to entertainment and comedy websites. To confuse the Supersite which deals with computers with a site to find humor, begs the question of proper education. Paul's humor is kinda dry and I prefer my comedy to come from professionals. You know Comedy Central, YouTube, Funny Or Die, Jib Jab, etc. Thankfully, I am ready for the beta with a second hard drive ready to roll on my main machine. I look foward to it. Paul, there is a difference of a free flow of information and the complete misinformation of facts. Allowing the icabalist to run the asylum isn't right, especially when they are constantly proven wrong. Peace.
ccambell
on Nov 25, 2008
Wow and IT article that may or may not have represented the facts. Microsoft is equally guilty of spreading copious amounts of b****it about their products. (ie. http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/microsoft-thinks-two-hours-...) What goes around comes around... Craig
Ocean
on Nov 25, 2008
>>Ocean and Lindy just keep adding more credibility to the "iCabal" theory.<< I'm a very happy XP and Windows Mobile user who is awaiting the release of Windows 7. I've never owned an Apple PC, though I am a very happy iTunes and iPod user (like Paul).
RaaJ
on Nov 25, 2008
It is an interesting study to see how the peanut gallery of anti-everything-Microsoft nutters infesting this site have completely cast the likes of Mike and Waethorn who have actual historic perspective and day-to-day expertise handling MSFT stuff are painted as being zealots. The few people who could really add valuable info to the discussion are being marginalized and vilified while feeding the trolls like robertsjoe and Ocean. At what point will this site be moderated to filter out the obvious BS propaganda from the Apple trolls?

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