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Hmm....some of this interesting UI work looks suspiciously familiar:
mms://msvcatalog-3.wmod.llnwd.net/a2249/e1/ft/share0/db2f/0/a_Glimpse_Ahead_3000k.wmv
Does that mean that Metro will make it's way into day-to-day computing tasks via Windows and Office?
Is this what the guy was talking about when he said that " 'Windows.next' would change how we interact with a computer" ?
To abandon its previous OS and start afresh - that's sounds like something Apple would do. While Windows Phone doesn't look anything like the iPhone, Microsoft is starting to become a little more Apple like.
"To abandon its previous OS and start afresh"
I don't think you can really use that term. Windows Mobile 6.5.x will still be around for a while, and they aren't abandoning the developer technologies that they already have on Windows Mobile - ie. .Net, SQL, and AJAX. What's happening is that they'll be moving a lot of that into Silverlight so that applications can be ported to the PC easily. They've been getting developers to use .Net for years now.
The comments here today remind me of something but it took me a while to figure it out. It turns out that's because it was a while ago. About 15 years.
On August 24, 1995 Apple drove billboard trucks around Microsoft campus during the Windows 95 launch that said, "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95"
As I recall, at the time Apple had about 20% of the global personal computer market. They now brag about how they're growing so fast that sometime soon they'll be back to 4%.
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On an earlier note, back in the 1970s, Data General published the following ad:
They Say IBM's Entry Into Minicomputers Will Legitimatize The Market.
The Bastards Say, Welcome.
So, anybody here buy a Data General computer lately?
Just another random thought about hubris and whistling past graveyards...
@Ocean....
">>More than two years ago, Microsoft started plucking top executives away from companies in a wide variety of industries, hoping they could revitalize its mobile software group.<<"
Yeah really..
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-...
"Much of the Danger/Sidekick team has left or been fired since the 2008 acquisition. According to our source, there is “no braintrust that understands how to build a product” left on the Pink team."
"Amongst remaining employees, dissent is high. Much of the team uses iPhones around the office, or their old Sidekick handsets. Employees “hate the product”
"At this point, the project is roughly 2 years behind schedule."
@rr0de74 - At least twice today you have said that there is not a SW keyboard. As usual, you are an idiot!
See 1:14 of http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-i...
--tayme
$10 says MIX10 will introduce a new version of Expression Studio.
@tayme I stated it so you would post about my post......because that is all you do.....predictable idiot???
How is your job at TMZ/Fox News working out?
To answer your question seriously, I read a link posted here (#2) that said MS is going to take more control, the example being that they are going to create/control the software keyboard and not let, say HTC or whomever change it.
From another review I read that its not fully functional yet, as in NOT DONE. No worries though they have 10 months to finish it.
@rr0de74 - "I stated it so you would post about my post"
Oh, you mean like you did in your first post. It was about Paul...not the subject at hand. Nice job out of you coming clean about your troll status on this site. It is telling of what your real life must be like.
FWIW, my comment was just pointing out the obvious...that there is a SW keyboard and 10 seconds of research would have shown you the same. But of course, you knew that and were afraid that it would have taken away one of your troll attempts.
Regarding the phone, watching the Engadget video that I linked to above, it appears that the tiles and the screen in general is too sensitive to touch at this point. The guy kept engaging things accidentally while trying to scroll. But this is just an Alpha version, so time will tell. I'll stick with WebOS for right now, as it is being improved upon with each minor release. The 1.4 update should be out soon and adds a lot of great things.
--tayme
"@tayme I stated it so you would post about my post......because that is all you do.....predictable idiot???
How is your job at TMZ/Fox News working out?"
Tayme's just more vocal about his distaste toward certain users than others. He's not really on any side, so to speak.
That's my view at least. Personally, I think this all looks nice. All in all, it raises the bar for the competition.
How will the other sides retaliate? What sort of changes and improvements will we see from all sides over time?
That's what intrigues me.
"NOT DONE" is completely different than "the fact that there is no software keyboard yet". You are a p!ss poor troll!
--tayme
I think it looks ok, anything is better than winmob 6x right now. I have 6.5.3 and android on my att tilt, android gets about 95 % use, syncing with zune software will be awesome
"Amongst remaining employees, dissent is high. Much of the team uses iPhones around the office, or their old Sidekick handsets. Employees “hate the product”
What is there to like? winmob 6x sucks ass
NoNameAtAll is right. I think that those on this site and others who are brand loyalists have got to be feeble minded simpletons. Otherwise, they would broaden their selection process in order to find what really meets their needs instead of buying whatever the company of choice puts out. There are several on each side that regularly post on Paul's sites.
--tayme
I'm kind of interested in the new Bug Labs stuff coming out. I'd like to see a component shrink. Then I'd like to see someone take the base, locator, camera, upcoming 3G module, and screen. Turn the thing into one big wearable life cam that uploads photos and video to the web (with GPS location info) and gives map and status feedback via the screen. The BugBase already does hardware MPEG-4 encryption, so video isn't a problem, and having it auto-upload everything would be pretty neat. A bit of a life documentary experiment that you don't have to flip on a computer or manually take shots with. Make the device smaller and lighter so you can just wear it around your neck and record.
"they would broaden their selection process in order to find what really meets their needs instead of buying whatever the company of choice puts out"
I choose what works well together, and I won't over pay for Apple crap, especially considering it doesn't work with 90+% of the rest of the computing industry. What I want is a good ecosystem that offers choice. That option is what Microsoft provides. However, I don't have an Xbox. I have a Zune, but honestly, I've been putting off re-ripping my CD collection, that the Zune has been collecting dust as of late. I don't have an actively-used MP3 player right now, but I do like the Zune interface (on both the device, and the PC). iTunes is just garbage compared to Zune software on Windows. iTunes is a) a spreadsheet for music, b) has a completely disjointed CoverFlow element which totally doesn't fit (as old as it is, Musicmatch Jukebox at least had a cohesive UI), and c) bugs up the yin yang. Aside from using an iPod on Windows, why would anybody choose to use the iTunes software on Windows? You've got the Zune software, and the granddaddy Windows Media Player (which is pretty good in version 11 and 12).
Then there's Apple's attitude. Apple apologists wonder why they don't have more followers when they consider Windows users 2nd-class citizens in their own market. What? Is Dick Cheney an Apple shareholder?
Then there's Google. The ad company. What? You mean you didn't know? Scratch that. They're the "no overhead" company. You know - make their users give them everything for free so they can turn around and sell it.
Sorry, tayme, but there's a reason why people choose companies, and it's not always just because of the products. More often than not, it's the politics of the vendor that sells people on them. You can buy an XYZ widget from anybody, but if the vendor is going to screw you silly, what motivates you to buy it from them?
Alpha version is right. It makes you wonder if they have been working on this for 2 years why they still need 10 more months????
Its not like MS is new to the Phone OS world, they have more experience that Apple and Google combined. Add to that everyone under the sun has been asking, begging predicting they should use the Zune OS which is not new any more either. It makes it seem like they had this massive fight between the old WinMO group and all of that "new" talent (mostly gone now) brought in from Danger and other places and finally some said lets go this route (Zune route) like 3 months ago (before we have ZERO chance of ever coming back) and today we see the fruits of morphing the Zune OS after 60 days and that is why it needs 10 more months.
Maybe what Marry Jo said on the POD cast about the bitter ladder climbing inside of MS is correct.
@rrode:
You're kidding right? Bringing Danger into the fold? They might as well just give away the Windows source code at the same time.
(Have you even used a Sidekick?)
Anyway, nobody believes anything you say anymore.
At $10 per license, imagine the revenue Microsoft will generate if they sell 20 million next year ...
"Anyway, nobody believes anything you say anymore"
LOL, like I care, and as if anyone cares what either say. I take that back if you are a fan of McDonalds or Arby's then maybe they care what you say. Whatever I can do to make this posting section of this blog more of a joke than it already is.
My point is simple really. Microsoft is a software, company one of the biggest. They have made smartphone OS'es for a while now, (longer than Palm, Apple and Google) its now new to them. They bought Danger, (yes I think the side kick was lame) and by doing so added more talent to the pool. Logically you would think that MS would be at the top of innovation heap when it came smartphone OS'es with all of that experience and large talent pool.
Yet Apple, Google, and even Palm have surpassed MS in this area. I am not surprised by Palm, the handheld OS has been their deal for a long time, but Apple which is primarily a hardware company and Google which is primarily a search software company/beta whatever company have handed MS their Arse in this area. Heck even HTC has better interfaces for WinMo phones than MS does. Its sad the the best WinMO phones are only good because of HTC's wrapper.
If they had dropped Windows Phone 7 today, 99% finished with actual hardware ready to ship in the next 30 days then I would have said they were back in the game. Had they had a unified app store (Zune and this OS, maybe even WinMo), and full on Live Mail, Contact and Calendar sync (think google/mobileme) for free ready for this new Phone OS, I would have thought really back in the game.
However we got a OS that is what as good as Android and iPhone OS today, maybe slightly better than the current versions of those in some areas? That you wont be able to buy for 10 months? Do we know about apps, if older WinMo apps will work? Do we know if there will be min hardware specs or will it be like the WinMo days where where the carrier could pair the OS with underpowered hardware? We dont know a lot really, and wont for some time.
"They now brag about how they're growing so fast that sometime soon they'll be back to 4%."
You don't have a link for that because it is flat out untrue.
"Apple crap, especially considering it doesn't work with 90+% of the rest of the computing industry. "
Lies.
""Apple crap, especially considering it doesn't work with 90+% of the rest of the computing industry. "
Total lie. Unless you just are clueless, which is quite possible. Besides not running some Windows only apps (two way street really), what cant OS X do that Windows can do? Its UNIX with a GUI. UNIX works just fine with 90+% of the computing industry.
I do like the minimalist design from an artistic view, but for usability. Nope, sorry.
If you can't immediately see what is happening on a screen and be ready to jump in you are just showing off flash (which of course this device doesn't run).
A good example of how MS UX teams don't quite get it...
The lock screen.
On an iPhone you have to swipe your finger horizontally across the screen. An action that is difficult to do unless you intend to, ie; placing your phone in a pocket. On the WinMo7 phone you swipe vertically. So you have to make sure the phone is in sleep mode or you might unlock the phone as you put it in your pocket and then you can press any of the tiles.
It truly remains to be seen how good the device is but it is very interesting that this device has many of the shortcomings of extant Apple devices but now those aren't so much shortcomings after all.
@Mike Galos
In Scobleizer's Steve Job's is not an idiot post,
http://scobleizer.com/2007/06/14/steve-jobs-is-not-an-idiot/
you asked me....
"So, define "next generation" and we can talk. It looks to me like Apple has a very, very long way to go."
In case it's not clear, Windows Phones 7 series is the "next generation" I was referring to. Of course, that was over two years ago. iPhone OS 4.0, and new hardware to run, it will be released this summer. The question is, can Microsoft catch up?
It seems that it's actually Microsoft that has "very, very long way to go."
Given there were essentially no details announced regarding the SDK (other than one exists), it should be interesting to see what kind of "developer story" Microsoft has in store next month at mix.
My guess is apps will be built using Silverlight, rather than a version of WPF.
As for the user interface, I like the Zune-like 7 series data-driven design. This style can difficult to get right from design perspective, and it looks like Microsoft pulled it off. The question is, can third-party developers pull it off as well? Not only will developers need to move to an entirely new development environment (Silverlight), they'll need to move to a completely chromeless UI at the same time.
Gotta give Microsoft credit: it's a gutsy move. And it's likely the only move that can keep them in the game. The question is, will it pay off?
Having nothing but data to fill the screen with can be a serious design problem. Unless third-party developers can make both leaps at once, the "seamless" user experience, which appears to be Microsoft's key point of differentiation in Series 7, won't be that seamless after all.
As such, it seems Microsoft has bet the farm that third party developers are not only programmers but top-notch graphic designers as well.
However, if history is any indication, Microsoft will need to kick out the visually challenged with an iron foot to prevent things from getting very ugly, very quickly.
My dears...
There's no proof that windows mobiel 7 series is not multitasking. Where exactly did you get this statement.
Infact it's not like that.
Flash support will be there for the launch because MS is in talks with Adobe for that.
So, still you want to stick with ANCIENT UIs like android and iphones os? Really?
So you are not getting what a smartphone is in 2010.
"The live tiles are deeply customizable, of course, and provide information without having to dive into individual applications."
Wow. Microsoft has figured out how to organize applications info folders.
Innovative.
"Flash support will be there for the launch because MS is in talks with Adobe for that."
With 10 months to go I cant see why not??
So will Paul post a "the morning after" post where he will state that the phones should have been ready for sale immediately or people will lose interest?
As the iWinsupersite blog burns!!!
Mike,
Yes, I recall the Data General ad. I also recommend "Soul of a New Machine" to those who haven't read it (which may be nearly everyone here other and than you and me, it's an old book.).
However, IBM had less to do with the demise of DG than other things; I'd argue that the DEC VAX is what did in DG. That, and the overall pressure on "mini" computers as "micro" computers grew up from the bottom. Once upon a time, a "VAX on your desk" was the dream of every scientist I knew, and that was achieved circa 1986-88, for me with the first 68020/68881 Macs.
Yes, Apple (Gassee and Scully) blew away marketshare and a commanding lead. They were idiots and nearly destroyed Apple. Be glad now they didn't manage that; Microsoft now has to compete with the iPhone!
However, the more recent example, that I'M reminded of is the now-hilarious mocking that Steve Ballmer did of the iPhone. "I like our strategy, I like it a lot". Yes, he liked it so much, that yesterday he flushed it----10 years of WinMo work---down the toilet.
So, yes, things can change a lot, and sometimes quickly. At this point, we have an unreleased iPad, an unknown iPhone OS 4.0, an unknown 4G iPhone, unknown developments in Android, and the still undefined hardware and software for Windows Phones.
Given all that is about to happen, Paul's knee jerk dismissal of the iPad is as silly as his breathless anticipation of the WIndows Phone, except of course that he makes his living from the Microsoft products . Let's just see what happens; it will be an interesting year.



