Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

@Raaj "Pundits would have you believe corporations are running scared away from Vista." Interestingly, the very same pundits would also tell you (in different articles so nobody will notice) that nobody's buying Vista and all the sales numbers are from corporate licenses. It's amazing how 180,000,000 copies have been sold despite nobody buying them.

Actually, the only place that I have been seeing 'Vista is a failure' is here. Vista is obviously a winner, so why is the whining going on here, because you're perpetuatuating the myth. I have seen one Apple fanboy post such a comment in months, only afteran Apple jab. You know, much of the anti- anything talk on each side is actually counter-jabs. If the initial jabs go away.....

Because Apple sucks so much. JamesNT

Despite all the grousing about MSFT products, these are great numbers. Unfortunately, the earnings quality are not reflected in their stock price. It would be a good time to buy...except for one potential future event that makes one hesitate. The acquisition of Yahoo. Overlay the effects of that acquisition on their business and try to imagine what earnings will look like a year from now. My crystal ball fogs up when I think of this deal. I hope Ballmer et al know what they're doing.

@DRWAM are you serious? I would say from mid 2007 to just a few months ago almost any IT news about Vista was bad, true or not it was bad, unless it came from MS. I mean just two weeks ago Intel said they are not going go with Vista internally because "they saw no value in doing so". Vista had rough start but I think its not a bad OS now. I would suggest putting it on only new machines for the best results.

@Snakedoctor1 "I mean just two weeks ago Intel said they are not going go with Vista internally because "they saw no value in doing so"." Of course, you know that intel said the same thing when they didn't adopt Windows XP 18 months after it came out, too. Right? The fact is, intel is not an early adopter. Never have been. That you care or think it's something unusual kind of proves the point that Vista bashing bares little resemblence to reality.

"sft is not the attractive tech company it used to be both for workers and stock buyers who flock to Apple and Google. It's like a downward spiral from which MS has to come out... with new management maybe..." It's all a matter of perception. Microsoft continues to be highly profitable and successful, but its products don't generate the kind of buzz that Apple's do (which is to some extent media fueled). Another thing is that it's difficult for any company to maintain its growth rate. Apple has done a good job with some of its products in recent times, but that run won't continue forever and the same media that was quick to label Microsoft dead and boring will do the same to Apple. Do you really think Apple and Google will grow at the same rate forever?

This really is interesting, and cool, and kind of funny, but Paul I must ad my voice to the others crying out for a little more Vista *content* on here. Interesting things, reviews, tips, etc. Please don't turn this whole site into an MS/Apple profit chart. You're doing it a lot more than you used to. A bit more Xbox stuff? Some stuff about the upcoming MCE update?

I wonder how many more millions they would have sold if it was half the product they said it was going to be. 180 mil. is less than 3% of the population. Numbers really don't mean a thing. There is a black cloud hanging over Vista. It makes no difference if it is deserved or not, it's there.

"180 mil. is less than 3% of the population." What, of total people in the world? You do know that there are about 1 billion computers running Windows out there, right? Under your reasoning, even 1 billion would only be about 20% of the population of the world. So try 18%. Note: All numbers are approximate.

@mikegalos honestly I dont care about Vista one way or the other. My point was simply that the was a news story just weeks ago that Intel was not going to Vista, probably ever. The way the story was worded/spun was in a negative way. Sorry that was the way it was. In early May USA today had a big piece on how many large companies are not going to Vista. Again I dont really care. I dont use Vista at home, my corporation wont be going to it either from what I have been told.

@Snakedoctor1 Nope. Sorry but the story wasn't "Intel was not going to Vista, probably ever" it was "Intel isn't going to Windows Vista right now" That you remember it the other way just shows either how the story was spun or how you chose to remember it. Only you know which is the case.

http://gizmodo.com/5019717/intel-is-skipping-windows-vista Well Mike you read and then tell me where is says "isnt going to Vista right now". I pretty much see skipping Vista in favor of Windows 7? May I suggest www.rif.org http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/23/intel-dumps-vista http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/et-tu-intel/

@Snakedoctor1 Three links that all point back to one anonymous rumor in the Inquirer is pretty sad evidence. Check the actual press statements and you'll see it's just "we're not deploying right now". (Even the ones you cite say the decision is quite possible to change and then move on to conpiracy theories of how Microsoft will somehow bully intel because nobody would ever use Vista without being coerced - apparently something 180,000,000 people missed hearing about)

Honestly Mike if Intel does or does not, the point is that story put however, came off in the press as anti-vista. Which those three links clearly show, and hence I picked them for that reason. I DONT care if Intel does or does not go with Vista. I brought it up only to make my point to the Doc that said he only sees anti-vista stuff here.

I really don't understand how any of this is news. Windows has 90%+ marketshare in a PC market that ships over 250 million PC/year. The sun rises, the sun sets. The latest version of Windows sells a truckload. Vista is a good OS update, so that's great. Windows has been solid since Windows 2000. Many of us still like the Mac better and it's very telling that Vista hasn't actually slowed the Mac's share gains (as even I thought it would, given it's slick interface). Mac's are growing. They're tiny, but growing. And... so what. Why do you people care so much about Apple? It's as if you just can't stomach a world of diversity. It's not good enough to have 90%. No. Only 100% will do. Only the end of descent of criticism. Weird. It's just weird.

"I really don't understand how any of this is news" because the media said that Vista "is not selling", "no one is moving to it", "Vista is a failure" and so on... its news because the facts and truth are directly against what the media want you to believe. "Many of us still like the Mac better" Fair enough... although I feel using the word "many" is overstating the situation. I would suggest you say "a very small amount of us still like the Mac better". "it's very telling that Vista hasn't actually slowed the Mac's share gains" Vista installations... 0 to 8% in under two years Mac installations... 0 to 7% in ten years... Yep... Vista hasn't slowed Mac's growth... Apple has. "And... so what. Why do you people care so much about Apple?" Yes you are right... we really don't care that Apple has only achieved a 1% increase of total Mac's in the last few years. This is a pro-Windows blog, thus visited by pro-Windows/Microsoft people... so why do you keep coming here and spouting on about how great Mac's are? Please, go away, don't come back. One less person will not make any difference.

Congratulations to the current Vista team, I personally think it's working great. I started using it in April of 2007 and I really haven't had any major problems. As for Macs they work great as well but obviously don't offer the variety or freedom that Windows does, except of course when their running Windows. Apple is competition to Dell, HP and Acer more than it is to Microsoft. As for share price, Microsoft needs to either start paying a healthy dividend or spin off some of its components and do IPO's with them.

@RaaJ: Good point, and well spoken. Basically, I feel the same way.

Guys, with that attitude, bashing and disinformation will perpetuate. Deception on both sides, increasing hatred through the world. With a 3% market share [or whatever] why in the world would you lower your level of friendliness. I am not convinced that dishonesty is the intent, rather than honest, and I mean honest mistakes, although no and then it will occur in both of your divided camps of war. Decepetion is always uncovered quickley, and thusly posted all over the media. Apple does not get a pass as there is pleny of proof this week. Anything else is BS, because they sure is heck did get one. This 'iCabal' are such a small population that you should just not let them bother you. Unfortunately there has been a lot of mountain making out of molehills with slander and paranoia that the tiny Apple monster is huge and will harm you if you use it as well as undermines the Goliath MS. So the bottom line is that people who are much less than 3% market share [cabal like] are ruining your day as you feel that they attack your lifestyle, your beloved MS. Don't lower yourselves to the same level. Post a valid rebuttal with facts, and try to ignore the insignifant. Besides, what the heck is it too you? Do you own millions of dollars of Apple stock? Then who cares! Well, I am trying to appeal to the good nature of this community to change thier ways, Mac fans and MS, as I knowthat you are all good people. The proof is the help that you give, free of charge, and on your own time. I wish that this site would start taking the high road as the negativity is drawing me away. Peace and Love [and rock & roll], Doc

John, Snake. The point is, atleast to me, most articles on this site are about WIndows and to promote WIndows. Yet, it is you Mac people come and flood the comments with reference after reference to Apple. Again, I don't hit Appleinsider.com and Macrumors.com and flood their comments with pro-Microsoft stuff all day, every day. Just because I favor Windows, doesn't take a thing away from OS X. Nothing. ALso, I prefer Windows over Linux. Again, doesn't take a thing away from Linux. If you live Linux, more power to you! Yet, you people act as though someone just slapped your mother. You state: "Mac's are growing. They're tiny, but growing. And... so what. Why do you people care so much about Apple? It's as if you just can't stomach a world of diversity. It's not good enough to have 90%. No. Only 100% will do" No, again, it is you coming to this site and posting your many pro-Apple, anti-Windows comments over and over and creating this debate. Go to your pro-apple websites and blog, or create your own blog. And for Snake, I state that I use and support both Windows platforms and OS X and you make a very snide remark. Nice. Just more proof of you Apple people's attitudes. "Nice". Have a good day. I am done with this thread.

As I stated in a previous thread. All of you. Get a life. Seriously. I administer a windows network (500+ PCs), and yes, we bought that amount this year as replacements. The licenses on those 500 PCs are Vista Business; However, we can't use vista as our experience with it has been very bad. Lenovo and HP preinstalled XP for us in the PCs/laptops under the vista license. SP1 corrected some issues and I personally have been working with Microsoft to iron out the problems. Right now I am the lonely vista user at the company. My wife works at the equivalent of your IRS in my country, and they have had the same bad experiences with vista, but they bought the machines with vista licenses too, and downgraded to XP. Yes. I can attest that happens. People buy Vista and downgrade. So what? Who really cares? Microsoft dominates and that is not gonna change soon. @Delmont: The first posts in this thread were the WinCabal baiting the iCabal, so what did you expect? Btw, the avatar of dipshitadmin doesn't help, does it? @mikegalos: "vista bashing bears little resemblance to reality"? don't make me laugh @weedmonk: Yes. People buy and downgrade. Personally I have helped more than 25 home users to do so over the last few months. Btw, firefox will NEVER eat IE. @Raaj: Vista does NOT work in some cases. I have just stated my experiences. @everyone: Being a Windows IT admin I used to like this site. Right now it is going downhill. @Paul: Your piece on the road to longhorn was excellent, so I know you can do better that just poke at the iCabal to get visits. Peace. I'm out.

@Mikegalos [and Josh4u]. I am leaving the shore vacation today and will be packing up the Dell laptop. I'll let you know what I find in my Vista system panel when I get home. Yeh, I know, for a jock, I'm such a geek! Thanks, Doc

>>Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold Hmm? Must buy a volume license vs installed base, Heck we bought 20,000 licenses and at the current time installed ~2,000. Paul, stick to the only numbers you know! Sales of licenses vs. installed based is not the same! A look at your past articles will prove the this point. 12 / 9.5 , is not the same as 1 X 18. Sorry! .While I can support your market share theory i is nothing more that your admitted math skills.. Just a friendly point to your Wincabal group (i.e Wintards) GFY! Yawn! Intel ( Windows 7, SP 1)

chuckb84 There is nothing idiotic about Paul's criticism's of the so-called "iCabal". They are perfectly legitimate. There is an obvious and sinister pro-Apple bias throughout much of the media to the extent that minor problems with Microsoft products are exaggerated, misreported and prejudiced. That's not journalism, it is sycophancy and it's about time someone started talking about these things rather than having everyone leave their heads buried in the sand when it comes to the truth. Heck, the fact that Steve Jobs endorses false advertising epitomises the problem Paul's been writing about for years.