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WWDC 2009: Time for a reality check

Jun. 8, 2009 Paul Thurrott | Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows

Apple is providing its WWDC 2009 keynote address today, providing some interesting info about its Mac and iPhone platforms. But this is Apple we're talking about. So it's time for a reality check.

75 million Mac OS X users. Apple claimed that the OS X user base magically jumped from 25 million to 75 million active users in two years. But it didn't. It jumped to 35 million users. The other 40 million are using iPhones and iPod touches. So if there are 1 billion active PC users (and that's an old figure), than OS X usage share right now is 3.5 percent. Everyone's onboard with the math, right? 3.5 percent. "No wonder everyone is trying to follow in our footsteps," Apple SVP Phil Schiller said. Right.

Macbooks magically become Macbook Pros. Apple rebranded the 13-inch Macbook as the Macbook Pro and added SD slots across the line-up. FINALLY. I've only been asking for this handy little feature for, what, 6 years? The batteries are non-replaceable. I'm pretty sure no one was asking for that feature. And they added Firewire 800. Seriously, how about two more USB ports? Oh, and $1699 to start for a lowball 15-inch unit? To Mac guys, this is big news.

Hypocrisy around Vista/7 and Leopard/Snow Leopard. This year, both Microsoft and Apple are working on revisions to existing OSes. In Microsoft's case, Windows 7 is a nice revision to Windows Vista. And Snow Leopard is a minor revision (service pack) to Mac OS X Leopard. Both Windows Vista and Leopard have had their share of problems, but Vista's are more high profile and thus, apparently, news to the wider world. But look how Apple's Darth Vader, Bertrand Serlet, describes these updates:

Windows 7: "Even more complexity is present in Windows 7. The same old tech as Vista. Just another version of Vista."

Snow Leopard: "We come from such a different place. We love Leopard, we're so proud of it, we decided to build upon Leopard. We want to build a better Leopard, hence Snow Leopard."

Um. They sound the same to me. Jerk.

For the record, Snow Leopard looks just fine to me. It should, after three years of development on a point release.

Exchange support in Snow Leopard. Apple makes fun of Microsoft to comic effect (see above) ... Unless, of course, they need Microsoft. Which they do, to add Exchange support to its products. Oh, wait. "With Exchange support built into Snow Leopard, there is no extra charge for Mac OS users while Windows users usually have to pay extra." There it is.

Safari 4 today for OS X, Windows. Yawn.

QuickTime X for OS X, Windows. Actually, this looks good. I especially like how the UI looks like no other OS X app. Nice consistency there from the HIG.

Mac OS X is not fully 64-bit. While Windows users get 64-bit versions of Windows, Mac OS X users will, in Snow Leopard, get an OS in which most of the system is 64-bit, but many "non-major system apps" are still 32-bit.

Snow Leopard pricing. Apple is finally charging the right price for the latest in a long list of minor upgrades: $29 to Leopard users. This is exactly right, and should serve as inspiration for Microsoft. Seriously.

iPhone 3.0. The iPhone is really popular, and let's face it, it's awesome. iPhone 3.0, which I've been using since February, is a very minor update, and mostly adds things that should have been there in the first place. Biggest disappointment: Apple is adding tethering, but AT&T refuses to allow it. Hey, AT&T. F#$% you. Yeah. Really.

Apple needs to tone down the boring stuff. Look guys, here's another iPhone app. We get it. Move along, please.

iPhone 3G S. Was curious what they were going to call the iPhone 3, since the iPhone 3G was the iPhone 2.0. Now we know. Built in 7.2MBps HSDPA for data. New camera (finally). But same form factor. (Which makes sense, given the add-on market, but lacks a certain pizzazz.) I mean, where could they go with this, really? Anyway: Pricing is $199 (16 GB), $299 (32 GB). Surely there's an upgrade program for existing users. [Cricket chirps.]

Voice Control. (3GS only.) Apple copies Microsoft Sync, no one notices. And by the way, the notion of talking to a smart phone should be obvious. Just saying.

Best live keynote coverage. Engadget, hands down.

Discuss this Article 193

gorath
on Jun 8, 2009
Panache, are you actually foaming at the mouth? Cause that's the impression you're giving off. I urge you to go away for a few hours, maybe grab a beer, or get laid, watch some TV, then come back. If you still feel this vitriolic then, then by all means, carry on. But right now, your sanity appears to be collapsing in on itself.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"Is CUDA an open standard?" No, and it doesn't need to be. ATI has been in the "sh1tter" (that's a Jobs term) since AMD bought them up. NVIDIA rules the roost in graphics and CGPU/GCGPU/whatever. Intel is nowhere close to that unless they can pull a rabbit out of their a$$ with Larrabee - and Intel's onboard graphics use too much "CPU-like" functionality, which is bad for 3D graphics. They are fine for 2D graphics and multimedia, including high-bandwidth video such as Blu-ray, but not that much moreso than their CPU's if they weren't offloading it all to their minimal graphics chips. @panache: I know what CUDA does. You pretend that Grand Central is something special, but it isn't. It accesses CUDA. CUDA was there all along - on Windows. So was PhysX for that matter (is that anywhere on OS X??). It's just another developer API for clueless coders built on top of C. That adds extra overhead in coding. People are using CUDA - and NOW! The Windows multi-threading scheduler already works just fine, thank you very much. Maybe you should honestly look at multi-threaded CUDA apps on Windows before you give Apple any credit here, because they certainly don't deserve any. ....although I'm sure you could figure that 12 years olds can optimize their f4rt apps for multi-threading and GPU acceleration on that shiny new v1.0 64-bit kernel that Apple is releasing in Snow Leopard.
gorath
on Jun 8, 2009
Ocean, that makes perfect sense, I agree wholeheartedly. However, I did expect more from a "developer's conference"
panache1023
on Jun 8, 2009
Wae, Thanks for bringing the conversation back to normalcy. I'm pretty sure Grand Central doesn't access CUDA, but OpenCL doesn. Grand Central is supposed to be the newly optimized thread scheduler for multi-core CPUs, no? Either way, I stand by the fact that it's better to access a technology through an open standard than not. As a developer, I'd rather target an open standard than a proprietary one. I'm sure you could understand that.
DRWAM
on Jun 8, 2009
Still not one of my iphone friends has had to have it fixed or replaced, but, all but one of my Treo friends had the Treo replaced. Palm = junk and with stinky service and support. I guess that's why they would sell extended warranties, because they would be out of business. My Treo had a 3 month warranty from Palm. ATT picked up 9 months, but it dies right after the 3rd month of use, much like my friends. My buddy's BB Storm has battery death every day in or reading room, while the iPhone users enjoy service, even in leaded walls. Active sync makes it grweat for me, but all the Blackbarries don't get an Exchange calendar unless you pay RIM $20,000 for their server/software or whatever extortion you wish to call it. Partenrs with MS is a good thing for Apple, and now with Snow Leopard "update". At least Apple had the common sense not to charge too much for an update....I mean upgrade ;)
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"OpenCL is a major advance that is going to have a huge affect on CPU-intensive applications such as video rendering." Already done: http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html#state=filterOpen;filter=Video & Audio
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
panache Wow. Cutting and pasting snippets from old posts and making my point for me in the process. Actually, my comment on "teletype OS with only stdin, stdout, and stderr" was that the underlying 1960s architecture was still there and everything modern was hacked on top of it. And the broken scheduler that didn't properly deal with large numbers of threads on large numbers of processors is a great example. You see threads (also known as lightweight processes) were created by IBM and Microsoft in 1987 for OS|2 1.0 as an improvement on the costly Unix requirement of having every new task require a full heavyweight process. The need for Apple to create "Grand Central" as a fix is at least partly tied to that ancient Unix architecture. (Note that other Unixoid vendors have already had to redo their old-style "process model" schedulers. Apple was just insanely late to the party. Oh, and my beard's fine.I notice that you're afraid to use your real name or show your face. That says a lot.
panache1023
on Jun 8, 2009
Wae, It's funny you bring up the fart apps instead of bringing up the other apps...for example, the games that are being developed and any other applications....the amount of fart apps is pretty small compared to some of the others. I mean, it seems like there are a lot of big developers getting on board the iPhone/iPod Touch with whatever technologies they offer. Why criticize it over some stupid fart apps? Are there any fart apps for WinMo? I sure hope not because then that would make you a huge hypocrite.
DarkSages
on Jun 8, 2009
Would people stop saying "This was not show for the techies." or "this was for developers" the thing is that this is it, they announce everything "major" for this year. So we have nothing else to see this year. I wish I was wrong
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"Grand Central is supposed to be the newly optimized thread scheduler for multi-core CPUs, no?" According to Apple, Grand Central was a set of API's (or an SDK, depending on where you read) that focuses on multi-threaded floating-point computing that is inherent to GPU's. It leverages OpenCL as a base API. Grand Central is just Apple's branding for it. At least, that was awhile back.... Now it seems they've separated the two. Now it's called "Grand Central Dispatch", and they've segregated the label from OpenCL. Previously, "Grand Central" was supposed to encompass all aspects of multi-threading and parallel computing in OS X. Why they've separated the two, I have no idea.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
And for everybody who is confusing Grand Central Dispatch with other features like OpenCL, GCD is a new thread scheduler for the core OS. It does add programming commands to make writing multi-thread apps easier but still not as easy as Microsoft's Parallel Extensions which includes PLINQ (Parallel Language Independent Query) and TPL (Task Parallel Library) and which was introduced in 2007 (and their latest generation are included in .NET 4.0) See: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#grandcentral if you are confused about what Grand Central actually is.
panache1023
on Jun 8, 2009
MikeGalos, MS invented threads?! LOL! You GOTTA Provide information to back this one up! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!! For the sake of us all! You're whole point of the "hacking in" of things on top of stdin, stderr, stdout is absurd, and a RIDICULOUS reason to bash anything. It doesn't even make SENSE! You still insist "Grand Central" is a fix without providing any PROOF that something was broken to begin with!? Come on man, you gotta do better than that!
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"Are there any fart apps for WinMo?" Not to my knowledge. But then if you have to ask, I'd say that it isn't something so common that the users are so enamored with something so frivolous.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
@mike: During the beta periods of last year, the wording for "Grand Central" was that it was a library/API/SDK encompassing all technologies. OpenCL was mentioned on the Grand Central page as being a component of it. That page has since been changed.
Ocean
on Jun 8, 2009
>>we have nothing else to see this year.<< If your interest wasn't piqued, you were not in the target audience.
g6672D
on Jun 8, 2009
I did gloss over the changes in 10.6, and it doesn't look too interesting, especially to normal users. Too much of it is evolutionary. On the other hand, they are making it easy to upgrade from 10.5. Small price, get installer. Compared to the licensing and availability maze on the Windows side. I'm still not sure I want to upgrade Vista.
tayme
on Jun 8, 2009
@mikegalos & panache1023 - This could go on all night....you are keeping the masses entertained here. @mikegalos - It seems that you were wrong about who has a man-crush on you. @DRWAM - Very good, honest review form you. Thanks for the sanity. Interesting that Apple pointed out that Palm had only 18 applications in their "store" on the day of the release...how many did Apple have on day 1 of the iPhone? "Are there any fart apps for WinMo? " Yup, in fact this one got a facelift in January - http://devphone.net/2009/01/03/new-design-for-ufart-windows-mobile-fart-... Enjoy your evenings, everybody...its beer time here!!! --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
panache No. I said IBM and Microsoft jointly invented threads and they were first used in the jointly developed OS|2 1.0. I don't know whether they came from Microsoft in Redmond or IBM in Boca Raton or Hursley. Maybe you can dig out a copy of Gordon Letwin's excellent book "Inside OS|2" and see if he mentions which of the three dev labs came up with it. (Most likely Redmond or Boca since Hursley pretty much focused on the graphics engine and not the kernel)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
tayme " It seems that you were wrong about who has a man-crush on you." Hey, I never said only one mac fanboi qualified. (Sorry if that makes you jealous.) But, thanks for showing your cross-platform expertise in fart apps.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
Waethorn, I guess I just double checked to be sure I was right. :-)
DRWAM
on Jun 8, 2009
Fart apps? I once used speech recognition with a Performa 6115 around 1996. I let out a loud fart and it closed my browser. I didn't think that it sounded like "quit Netscape", but maybe I'm wrong. I hope that the technology is better now. I used 2 or 3 iPhone apps for voice dialing and was not impressed as I had to open the app first. It's easier to click favorites and choose someone from the list, then getting the speech recognition to work 75% of the time. Still, iPhone favorites was easier than the Treo or Black Berry. I'm glad that the price was lowered for the 8GB 3G down to more acceptable levels. Fully subsidized would be better, but ATT would then raise the wireless rate $10/month. Duh!
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
DRWAM "I let out a loud fart and it closed my browser. I didn't think that it sounded like "quit Netscape", but maybe I'm wrong." Maybe it sounded like Alt-F4 and the code still had desktop items in its grammar? BTW: Speaking of Ouch, the rumor mill is that the unlimited data with tethering plan will be $70/month when AT&T gets their act together to offer it.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
@lehenbauer: I recently tried a pretty amazing little program for video editing recently on an Atom 330 system with NVIDIA Ion and CUDA doing all the work (including HD rendering). This was the program: http://loilo.tv/sp/en/ Pretty slick system. If video editing could be made "fun", this would be the program to do it.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
panache "the amount of fart apps is pretty small compared to some of the others" When you have to qualify "the amount of fart apps" with just "pretty small" that says a LOT about the app domain out there for iPhone.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
Well, at least now even the most rabid Apple fanbois stopped saying "Apple won't abandon their PowerPC customers" like they still were a month ago.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"the unlimited data with tethering plan will be $70/month" Still sounds better than here. Here, it's either $8/MB (you read that right) over your regular smartphone data plan, or you have to add a separate data plan normally used for PC Card/USB devices which only goes up to $60 for 3GB - that's ON TOP of your smartphone data plan, which can be as much as $45 for unlimited on your phone only.
daveinla
on Jun 8, 2009
WOWWW !!! The level of technical knowledge of so-called tech geek here regarding the 2 major personal computing platform is quite astounding, including from Paul and Mike MS Galos. For people like Doc and me who are quite fluent and daily users of both platforms for decades, it's consternating... Let's do some justice here... IMO a service pack is, as mentioned in the name, a service update... it is here to make an OS work as it should have been, fix the bugs. No new technologies introduced here. That's what 7 is in regards to Vista. Vista introduced slew of new techs and feature vs. XP. Many things were not done right, 7 changes that. Same kernel, driver model, UAC... few tweaks here and there. Granted Leopard introduced many new features, hence major update. Snow Leopard introduces few visible improvement for the user. hence the name Leopard still. Where the major work has been done is in the kernel here and for the developer. Of course the major tren is to bring the OS in line with the current trend in hardware: allow softs to make use of lots of cores (>8) even when the soft is not optimized for it (grand central technology), and use of GPU to accelerate computing. Apparently everybody knows s**t about grand central here... The interface will be revamped to be much more uniform unlike what Paul claims and will sport the elegant new grey buttons as in iTunes (exit aqua). So yes Snow Leopard will be a major update but not a service pack, hence the $29 and yes Win7 is a service pack to Vista... let's see how much they charge for it... Hardware side -> nothing exciting iPhone: 32GB and faster processor and memory : needed. iPhone OS 3.0: They did what they had to do to stay relevant in front of Android and WebOS. Nice feature added here though is voice control (Anybody has heard of SYNC on a smartphone ?? I thought it was in the Fords...). Spotlight on the iPhone is good too. All the rest was overdue. So the price of the update is right here: $0 Can't wait for it. I also like the 64/32 bit spin of Paul here: How to turn a feature in disadvantage: Apple goes through great lengths to make sure people with 32 bits apps will still be able to run them in Snow Leopard and that sucks... Win64 cannot do that but that's better of course !!!! ;-)
panache1023
on Jun 8, 2009
1) I'm far from a mac fanboi...I just don't like Mike Galos 2) The reason I don't know if there are any fart apps for WinMo is because nobody give's a crap about it...so it gets no attention whatsoever from anyone 3) Galos, I only heard about two fart apps. How many have you heard of? If I only know about 2, out of the "50,000" apps Apple claims exist, I would classify that as pretty small, close to 0, right? You're the one that espouses "choice"...but as long as it's from MS. Typical hypocrite. Anyway, I'm done for now, more important stuff to do than listen to MG claim MS invented everything.
daveinla
on Jun 8, 2009
Hey I just thought of it: this blog should be called FOX computing news !!!! :))) or the O'Thurrott spin zone !!!
daveinla
on Jun 8, 2009
"So yes Snow Leopard will be a major update but not a service pack" Sorry I meant Snow Leopard will be a minor update...
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jun 8, 2009
DaveInLa As somebody you think has quite astounding technical knowledge let me issue a few corrections... If Leopard with very few real user features is a "major update" then saying Windows 7 with a new UI and dozens of major features is certainly a major release and not a service pack. As for the 64-bit comment, you have it backwards and Paul is right and not just spinning. Windows Vista 64-bit and Windows 7 64-bit can absolutely run 32-bit applications despite being 64-bit operating systems. That level of compatibility is always handled during a transition (as it was from 16-bit to 32-bit several years ago) It's Snow Leopard that is still missing some pure 64-bit components according to Paul which means it will have to run the 32-bit conversion layer even when not running 32-bit applications. This is surprising considering Apple announced earlier that it would be pure 64-bit and spent a full OS rev cycle with no user feature improvements with this goal as one of the keys to justify that delay. You also are attributing magic powers to Grand Central that it doesn't have. I'd suggest reading the PDF paper on it on the Apple site page that I already listed. Unfortuately you'll find that it doesn't do what you think it does.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
@mike: With Snow Leopard only offering partial 64-bit stuff for it's "core components", what else has changed in Snow Leopard over Leopard besides the kernel? Or, does that mean that Snow Leopard just has more 64-bit core components over Leopard? Does that also mean that the "64-bit" label applied to Leopard was just a lie? ;) Also, with this *new* "Grand Central Dispatch", and the segregation of OpenCL, it no longer has any luster. Grand Central was going to be this all-encompassing many-threaded, unified SDK which leveraged OpenCL for parallel processing on GCGPU's along with future "many-core" processor technology - together (think Larrabee). Now it isn't. And they changed the name to boot. *YAWN!*
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"elegant new grey buttons" LOL! Funniest. Post. EVAR! Welcome to Windows 95 all over again.
Waethorn
on Jun 8, 2009
"elegant new grey buttons" LOL! That should be the humourous title for Paul's next Windows Weekly, when he reviews Snow Leopard.
shark47
on Jun 8, 2009
Now that tech reviewers know what Apple thinks about Windows 7, they can go ahead and write their reviews. Apart from that, from what I've read, Apple did what it had to. The $99 iPhones might hurt their profits, but we'll see. The cheap shots at Microsoft weren't really warranted, but Apple has to keep its fan base energized.
DRWAM
on Jun 8, 2009
I'm reading that iPhone 3.0 has 'Voice Control' which can dial a contact and also play a song. I wonder what my fart would play? Mike, you're the gaslinguist. What song do you think it would play? I guess it would depend on the pitch, tone and/or multiple rips. Maybe it would just call my mother. ;)
mherm88
on Jun 8, 2009
A little upset today Paul? First off, Engadget deffinitly has the best live blogging as always and hopefully they'll make it better someday instead of refreshing a million times (Google Wave perhaps =] ). While I found the large amount of Microsoft bashing a little much, I think this was a pretty standard keynote and the products rolled out were as expected. Sure, lots of people expected a "One more thing..." which never came but they did give a lot of excitement to the iPhone crowd and only having to wait a week and a half. I really wish Microsoft would release a Office app. But again, all around I liked todays keynote and can't wait for the new phone and 3.0 especially. Although, I do get disappointed again and again from the lack of support for developing iPhone Apps on Windows....
hamiltonstallings
on Jun 8, 2009
I don't understand what is different about the iphone. Does it have different hardware? You'd be an idiot to actually believe Apple's claims.
tayme
on Jun 8, 2009
@mikegalos - Sorry to burst your bubble...I'm not a "mac fanboi" as you said....but I am glad to see that you consder yourself a "fanboi"....gosh, I feel so young using that word! fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi fanboi That was fun!!! --tayme
DRWAM
on Jun 8, 2009
I see an app to view medical labs, but I hope it's better than the MIMvista app that requires a $20,000 MIMvista license as well as having a WiFi account on the server and that the patient actually had to have the study imported to MIMvista [Windows only..go figure] . And yes, I bought MIMvista to make 3D fusion imaging CD's of PET/CT for the referring doctors, because our PACS [GE Centricity] cannot make one. WinMo 7 can have a great advantage if it is supported by apps that will allow a doc to use CPOE [computed physician order entry]. As posted before, Zynx is Windows only and is a large set of customizable pre-canned order sets. It cost a lot, but having to build it yourself would be a daunting task to say the least. I gotta tell you that if WinMo 7 can do CPOE, there are very few doctors that would not own a smartphone with it installed. They wouldn't blink to give it their iPhone to have this capability which would safe them time and aggravation of calling in a verbal order.
gorath
on Jun 8, 2009
Hmm, seems some folks are right. Grand Central's details have changed somewhat. now, Grand Central "[makes...] all of Mac OS X multicore aware..." Wow. this is the kind of stuff I'd have thought we'd have had to wait until 1990 AT LEAST to see. wait, what year is it? And as for 64-bit OS. I remember seeing plenty of Mac G5 ads proclaiming it to be the "world's first 64-bit desktop computer". Not only was that so desperately wrong at the time, but it's still incorrect, and should read something more along the lines of "the last major OS to fully support native 64-bit" (So, I'm in a bad mood, so what?)
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
"It should, after three years of development on a point release." Why don't you also mention that Windows 7 is also a point release. It's Windows 6.1. From 6.0 to 6.1 is a point release. Can't you see that?
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
Microsoft Sync copied Nokia. Microsoft fanboys with fanboy websites fail to mention it.
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
But seriously, this sort of post is why the SuperSite for Windows is not taken seriously by anyone.
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
" And they added Firewire 800. Seriously, how about two more USB ports?" Maybe because FW800 is faster than USB 2? Yes, it is. For things like video, or high volume transfers, it performs better than the up and down USB 2.
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
This sort of post makes Paul a troll.. on his own blog. No one thought it could be done. But he has. Jumped the shark a long, long time ago.
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
This post also shows how much of a hypocrite you are. Would you even dare post such things when MSFT are at Mix or some other show? Of course not. If you did you'd get a memo from Microsoft telling you to back off. And you'd wilt when they do.
robertsjoe
on Jun 8, 2009
Anyway, all looked great. Much better hardware, software and mobile devices than Microsoft. Nothing Microsoft has comes close. Another point on this post, it's all about the jealousy that Microsoft and their fanboys (like Paul) have towards the press Apple gets. Has been going on for years and still happens. When Microsoft demos something (even the Natal vapourware) there is silence. Jealousy is what that is.
Lindy
on Jun 8, 2009
"In Microsoft's case, Windows 7 is a nice revision to Windows Vista. And Snow Leopard is a minor revision (service pack) to Mac OS X Leopard" "http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/win7_toosoon.asp" "Here's what we do know. Windows 7 can and should be considered Vista Release 2 (R2). In fact, I think Microsoft should market the business versions of the OS under that very name. Beginning with the release of Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008, Microsoft no longer forks its Windows code tree for new releases. So the next versions of Windows client (7), Windows Server (2008 R2), and Windows Home Server (WHS) will all be based from exactly the same code. Microsoft will simply combine the right components to create the Windows version it wants and ship it. It's a much simpler system than before. In fact, at least one Microsoftie, speaking off the record during my trip to Redmond last week, explained that Windows 7, in many ways, would simply be Vista SP2. From a compatibility standpoint, all the work Microsoft is doing will show up in Vista first and will work identically in Windows 7. It's not changing the underlying platform at all, so if a hardware device or software application works on Vista, it will work fine on 7 as well."
Lindy
on Jun 8, 2009
"Engadget deffinitly has the best live blogging as always and hopefully they'll make it better someday instead of refreshing a million times" www.macrumors.com their main page auto re-refreshed during the entire event. I just left it open in a space:)

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