Kindel: Yes, Windows Phone is Superior, But Here's Why It's Not Selling

When it comes to Windows Phone, former Microsoft general manager Charlie Kindel knows what he's talking about. Heck, I'd listen to Charlie no matter he was talking about: This is a guy I've know for years and years, respect fully, and consider a friend. And this week, he offered some perspective on Windows Phone, which is technically superior to the competition but fairing poorly in the marketplace.

As a bit of background, Kindel is a 21-year Microsoft vet, and his last gig at the software giant was leading its partner program for Windows Phone. He left Microsoft on September 1, 2011, triggering a bit of soul searching here and elsewhere. And in recent days, he's provided some interesting perspectives on Windows Phone, first in the comments section of a blog, and then later in a post to his own blog, Windows Phone is Superior; Why Hasn’t it Taken Off?

"People ask me all the time why, if I think Windows Phone is such an excellent product, sales appear so lackluster," he wrote in his original comments. "Apple circumvented [fragmentation] by cutting the device manufacturer out and used that fact to force the carriers into being even more of a fat dumb pipe ... Android has been wildly successful because it was built to reduce friction between all sides of the market ... it also enables too much fragmentation that will eventually drive end users nuts."

"Windows Phone has taken a different approach," he adds. "It raises it's middle finger at both the device manufactures and carriers. It says 'here's they hardware spec you shalt use'. And it says 'Here's how it will be updated' (to the carriers). Thus both of those sides of the market are reluctant. Especially the carriers. This is why, despite being a superior PRODUCT to Android, Windows Phone has not sold as well."

Fascinating.

Expanding on this concept on his own blog, Kindel further added that Microsoft will need to dramatically up its advertising dollars and provide the proper incentives to the retail sales staff at wireless carriers who are currently ignoring Microsoft's platforms.

"End users just do what they are told (by advertising and retail sales professionals [RSPs])," he writes. "Carriers own the marketing money and spend billions a year. The money is provided by the other sides of the market: OS providers & device manufactures, but the carriers get to spend it; they are the aggregation point where the money actually gets spent. The carriers choose what devices get featured on those TV ads.  They also choose what devices to train their RSPs to push. They choose to incent the RSPs to push one device over another."

Put simply, by doing the right thing--taking control of both the hardware spec and the updating process away from its hardware maker and wireless carrier partners--Microsoft has incensed those partners just enough to cause them to not push Windows Phone in the marketplace. And by pushing more heavily on the "frictionless" platform--Android, which comes with no such restraints but is also thus ultimately "worse" for consumers--Microsoft has implicitly helped create the current conditions in which Android can flourish and Windows Phone can whither.

"Spending marketing dollars on advertising Android devices is and an easy decision for the carriers," Kindel adds. "Pushing RSPs to push Android is easy."

"I would like to believe that at the end of the day the superior end to end experience for the end user matters more than anything."

So would I, so would I. But if I've learned anything in 18 years of covering technology, it's that the best products don't always win. In fact, if anything, they rarely win at all.

Troubling.

Discuss this Article 25

JeffinLondon
on Dec 27, 2011
Paul Kindle says consumers are stupid sheep, that they will buy anything they are told to buy. There is some truth to this, but the last mobile phone shop I was in had at least 50 phones available for sale in all manner of size, shape, function and price. I think the consumer has a lot of say in what they buy. Kindle is at least 75% wrong here. He sounds very cynical as well. I think it was also stupid to call it Windows Phone. "Windows" = legacy, old, corporate, desktops, not cool, new or fresh. When MS built a game platform they didn't call it Windows for Games for cripes sake! Technology is as much a fashion industry as anything else, and buying a Microsoft Phone is like being forced to buy a pair of Sears blue jeans by your mother. Over time, I am sure the greedy, controlling nature of Apple will be offputting to some, and the chaotic Android ecosystem will be the same to others, but I think the very uncool Windows brand will prevent MS for taking more than a niche in this market place. His blog sounds like failure and sour grapes to me. Jeff
jagosilver
on Dec 27, 2011
"Put simply, by doing the right thing--taking control of both the hardware spec and the updating process away from its hardware maker and wireless carrier partners--Microsoft has incensed those partners just enough to cause them to not push Windows Phone in the marketplace." and yet didn't Apple do exactly the same thing, with regards to carriers..? and the iPhone was still a success...? So I don't see that this can be the whole reason behind the lack of success with Windows Phone (so far). Unless you just assume that the iPhone would succeed regardless because of all those stupid Apple fanatics who'd buy anything with an Apple logo ;-)
pthurrott
on Dec 27, 2011
This has nothing to do with Apple fanatics, and Apple didn't do exactly the same thing. Apple makes one phone and sells it themselves. Windows Phone, like Android, relies on hardware partners to make phones. But unlike with Android, Microsoft restricts the design of Windows Phone handsets to conform to a strict spec. This makes the phone less interesting to device makers and wireless carriers, according to Kindel, who is correct, by the way.
jagosilver
on Dec 27, 2011
Hey Paul, I'm still not sure what's so different about the carrier position? Apple controls the updates with the iPhone, as does MS with it's phones... Obviously Apple only makes one iPhone, so if Kindel is right shouldn't this make the iPhone even less interesting to carriers than the restricted designs of MS Windows phones?
BananaJr
on Dec 27, 2011
Actualy this does have everything to do with Apple fanatics. Verizon Wireless was approached by Apple to sell it's phone but at the time was not the least bit interested in a phone they couldn't control and competed directly with VCAST music. So Apple went to AT&T who was getting pounded in the market place. With legions of Apple iPod fanatics the iPhone took off and Verizon Wireless was forced to capitulate after getting pounded daily by customers who bailed to AT&T no matter how bad the service or coverage. Android got a foothold as the answer Verizon Wireless needed to the iPhone. With Android they licensed "DROID" from Lucas Arts and branded their own phone. Microsoft meanwhile released the KIN to Verizon Wireless and damaged the relationship. Had Windows Phone come out instead of the KIN we may not be talking Android rout right now. So given the carriers reluctance to push Windows Phone the only recourse Microsoft has is to develop it's own ground game and market directly to consumers so they like Apple fanatics will go to the carrier knowing what they want. One way they can do this is to offer pre-paid phones on College campuses to students at heavy discounts. Take the carrier and contracts out of the equation to get the phone into as many hands as possible for a trial run with their own data..
RealTechboy
on Dec 27, 2011
Windows Phone supporters need to stop looking for scapegoats. Believe it or not the public can fall in love with products and fans of your product can become your greatest sales force. The public has not fallen in love with Windows Phone 7. Windows Phone 7 is dark, stark, unattractive, and the user interface almost never optimizes the entire real estate of the screen.
pthurrott
on Dec 27, 2011
Not sure why this is a "scapegoat" and not just a "reason." I think it's the latter. And I think Windows Phone is beautiful and easy to use, not stark and unattractive. That Apple and Google are now copying WP features in their own mobile OSes suggest that they agree as well.
bigjon-x64
on Dec 27, 2011
I think Charlie nailed it. I have a Droid X currently, and want to switch to a similar device like the HTC Titan on VZW, but their selection is slim, compared to Android, you have multiple vendors and models. I could switch carriers, but VZW has the best coverage in my area.
papamoto
on Dec 27, 2011
I think Microsoft has an uphill battle. This is a situation they don't have to deal with very often. Microsoft sells products that the entire world relies on: Windows and Office. You don't have to "sell" or "pitch" those products to anybody. Coming out with a new version of Office is like printing their own money. Every time they do try to "sell" or "pitch" stuff it is always so goofy like the recent ads on TV and the older "to the cloud" ads, speaking of which I don't think were ever based in reality. Also, every time however they come out with new consumer technology it seems to be a failure. Xbox excepted of course, but even with that there were so many missed opportunities. Why oh why 5 years ago couldn't I walk into my house, have Media Center automatically inform my Zune that it had recorded new TV content and would I like to watch that now on my Zune or via my Xbox. They always have all the piece-parts but can't ever ever put it all together. With Windows Phone they HAVE to put it all together and they have to truly sell it. Their track record though does not bode well for them.
NotTellinYou
on Dec 27, 2011
Mac OS users learned LONG AGO that the better platform doesn't always win and at the end of the day it's all about the availability of software. "Those who do not learn from the past..." and all that stuff.
pthurrott
on Dec 27, 2011
Not sure I'd claim that the no multitasking OS with user-mandated app memory management was "better," but I hear you.
chuckb84
on Dec 27, 2011
A good summary is simply: The Windows Phone Problem In Three Words: Way Too Late. http://parislemon.com/post/14840209963/the-windows-phone-problem-in-thre... I don't know if Windows Phone is hugely better than iOS or Android; the only exposure I've had is the simulator that Microsoft posted. My take from that was that it's -different- but I didn't see anything real compelling. If Microsoft can get anywhere in the market in may be in the enterprise as RIM implodes. No business is going to touch the wild west of Android and Apple doesn't really get that market. BTW, "Way Too Late" is likely to be the synopsis for Microsoft tablets as well.
jagosilver
on Dec 27, 2011
"But if I've learned anything in 18 years of covering technology, it's that the best products don't always win" I guess it depends somewhat on what you call winning and when you declare the winner... Right now I'd have said that Apple are making the best consumer electronics devices and PC's and are certainly winning in terms of taking most of the profits and steering the industry forwards. I assume you'd disagree but I think the whole notion of winning in the smartphone/tablet space is going to be interesting... Is the winner the company who makes all the profit, or the one with the most users, or the one with the most apps, or the one whose developers make the most money, or the one whose devices are most eagerly anticipated, or the one that sets the trends.. etc etc. I would have thought that MS needs to be winning in a few of these in order to be really successful going forward.... What does anyone else think? I know the whole profit share vs market share debate keeps rumbling on between Android and iOS, which do you think matters more Paul?
pidge
on Dec 27, 2011
I think Charlie is just making excuses and blaming the carriers and phone manufacturers when Apple is thriving and doing exactly the things that Microsoft claims pisses both sides. One of the reasons why Microsoft Windows Phones don't get much buzz is because they are using inferior hardware. Often I see friends on Facebook asking what is the phone with the best hardware and guess what, almost always it will be Android. We are in an age of apps and Windows Phone doesn't lend well to users with dozens and dozens and dozens of phones on their apps. If you want to blame marketing, blame Microsoft. Their commercials continue to be among the worst for tech products, especially phones. Microsoft chose to use Qualcomm SoC's for their phones. Qualcomm is a difficult company to work with. The list goes on and on. What that article just goes to show is that Microsoft doesn't get it (maybe it is just Charlie). My last phone was a Samsung Galaxy S phone and the lack of updates pushed me to an iPhone (iPhone 4S). If I had to buy a new phone tomorrow that was not an iPhone, it would be an Android phone once again. I would only choose Microsoft Phone 7 is the choice was between that and a RIM phone.
McCorney
on Dec 27, 2011
Windows Phone 7 sounds utterly boring and does not create any sort of relationship/excitement with consumers. A comparable analogy was WPF/E. It was re-branded as SilverLight and it became utterly cool. There is a cool factor that is missing, however shallow that may sound.
allanwith
on Dec 27, 2011
Look, maybe this is just a complex matter? Maybe Microsoft has to do ALL of these things (in no particular order): - Fight consumer perception of Windows Phone/Mobile as being inferior or uncool - Fight carriers so that they won't block updates - Convice OEM's to release A-grade hardware - Convince retail to give WP shelf space and enough incentive among sales personell to push WP - Convice developers to push out a BOATLOAD of apps of HIGH quality - Keep updating the OS so that it will stay competitive - Build up an ecosystem of accessories - Build up a market of content beyond apps - Build an ecosystem of other "screens" that will enhance and light up when put together with WP (xbox, windows, etc) I really have no clue, but my sense is that there is no one factor that is determining the current state of WP, it's all of these factors (and probably even more that I haven't mentioned). On the other hand, success in one particular area, such as a number of unique killer apps, could potentially win OEM's and consumers over and that could have a snowball effect pulling with it success in other areas. But who am I to say this, I bet Microsoft already knows this, let's hope they're able to execute on all necessary counts, oh that would be another factor.
ModernDislocation
on Dec 27, 2011
I think people dismissing Windows Phone are doing so prematurely. Kindel is right that MS needs to do more but the biggest challenge with WP was that it came to market late (not delayed but after Apple and Google had taken a lot of air out of the room). None of this means WP is doomed just that it is going to take time and effort if MS wants to gain any traction in the market. Luckily for MS they have the money to spend over time to make it a success.
dsharp75
on Dec 27, 2011
It's sad to see Windows not succeed like it deserves. The Mango update should've been enough to make it the premier OS on the market. But from my perspective, it's being discounted by merchants who actively push i-products. It's actually amazing to to see the sheep/group think mentality when it comes to this. Even when you demonstrate the Windows OS is superior in nearly every way! Occasionally one will awaken from their slumber, but usually resistance comes those who either wants to be like everyone else; just goes with what the sales person says or is just so brainwashed by the manufacturer's name that the product is secondary to the elitistism ownership represents. It's remarkable how many people wanted to purchase i-products for either themselves or loved ones, but upon asking what top 5 reasons they had for purchasing the product, not one could actually name 5 things. And the things they named would make you shudder: Email, Browsing, Games, Reading books. That's it. Really. You could buy 3 net books or 2 ok laptops to do the same thing and not only do you get more, you can do more! From a branding stand product, Apple really shines. People I work with know I have never made it a secret my dislike for Apple. Nothing personal against the people or anyone in particular, just their practices and air of almost contempt (imho). I know people will disagree with me with what I say next (mostly fanboys, so its nobody important ;)), but it's just an opinion; I just happen to be right. Apple creates consumer friendly products at business level prices. Apple does not innovate, merely "perfects" on others backs. I actually argued years ago that if Apple had lowered their prices on ipods they actually could've killed the mp3 market years ago. Same for the iphone. Imagine if an ipad was $250. No other tablet would stand a chance; I would've even bought one. But I digress. The winner is the one holding profits, so Appice is running things. For now. Go Windows!
yoshipod (not verified)
on Dec 28, 2011
Its not selling due to the competition. Is WP7 a good mobile OS, of course. Is it compelling enough to get people to change? Probably not most people. This is the same issue that the Mac OS faced a decade ago. Many would argue that OS X was superior to XP. However, since most people knew XP, and it did the job "well enough" it was hard for Apple to grow the OS X market. iPods and iPhones really helped to get people to look at and consider OS X. Even so, that OS is still a small part of the overall PC landscape. OS X is selling and successful, but no where near the scale of Windows. My guess is that WP7 will likely achieve an "OS X" type of market share, barring any unforeseen issues with iOS or Android.
mkroehler
on Dec 28, 2011
It's not selling for two reasons - the big box stores don't want to carry another product line and the retailers/distributors who do aren't carrying enough. I've walked into a number of retailers (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Costco, AT&T Store, etc), looking for Windows phones (specifically the HTC Titan) and you're lucky if they carry one, at all. It's easier for the monkeys behind the counter to say "will that be Apple or Android"? than to have to deal with another platform. But, even if you find someone who does carry one, they're likely out of stock. I've looked for the Titan in a couple of AT&T shops and Best Buys and neither had any in stock. And, I'm not alone alone. I've seen a few other folks have had the same problem...
mkroehler
on Dec 28, 2011
It's not selling for two reasons - the big box stores don't want to carry another product line and the retailers/distributors who do aren't carrying enough. I've walked into a number of retailers (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Costco, AT&T Store, etc), looking for Windows phones (specifically the HTC Titan) and you're lucky if they carry one, if at all. It's easier for the monkeys behind the counter to say "will that be Apple or Android"? than to have to deal with another platform. One rep at Costco I spoke with said they probably won't carry Windows phones given Microsoft's history supporting a phone platform. But, even if you find a retailer who does carry one, they're likely out of stock. I've looked for the Titan in a couple of AT&T stores and Best Buys and neither had any in stock. And, I'm not alone alone. I've seen a few other folks have had the same problem...
spaul40
on Dec 28, 2011
Anyone who has sold into retail stores knows that if a customer walks in and asks for product X, you show them product X and tell them how great it is. You do this even if product Y is a better product. This person came in sold on a product. You have to have a GOOD reason to spend the extra time to try to sell them a different product - like a spiff. In retail, dollars directly to the selling salesperson is called a spiff. If I make $20 from my employer for selling an iphone with 2 years of service, I will try to sell brand X if I can make $20 from my employer and an additional $25 from the manufacturer for that sale. If I am good at what I do and with a good amount of traffic, I can make an extra $1,000 to $2,000 each month from spiffs. Not all retailers will let a manufacturer pay spiff money to their salespeople as they are not really in control any longer - the manufacturer is; however, if sales increase, they really shouldn't care. Make sure you spiff the store manager/owner for these sales also - not the same amount but if they have 5 sales people and each one makes $1,000 a month from spiffs, the manager/owner should get $1,000 to $1,500 in spiff money per month. Once the word spreads on how great a product you have and people start walking into the store asking for your product, the spiff money can be reduced and eventually can go away unless another manufacturer tries to spiff your sales to them. The retail industry sucks! They are the sheep herders and we are the sheep.
yoshipod (not verified)
on Dec 28, 2011
@ spaul40 & mkroehler & dsharp This is exactly why Apple developed the Apple Store, and why they are very selective about allowing their products in other retail outlets. For years, Macs got the same treatment you all described. This is what MS has to fight against in order to make WP7 successful in the marketplace. The question is do they value it enough to fight for it, as Apple had to do with the Mac OS?
cyberblade
on Dec 29, 2011
In my eyes the reason for the lacking success is pretty obvious. You just have to ask teens what they think about WP7 and you will get one answer over and over again: It looks ugly! Design at the bleeding edge like MS does with Metro is an extreme risk and almost never succeeded in the market before. Since I'm working in the field of HCI for more than 17 years I have learned that ease of use is not a product characteristic that is noticed by users. Good UI design means: It just works as expected, not more, not less - but is not perceived consciouly as positive property. Therefore the look of a product is extremely important form market success in the area of Consumer Electronics. Reduced design like exercised in Metro by reducingand and eliminating decorative graphical elements, colors, and effects to simplify the use impairs the attractiveness and the lacking success we currently see is the result.
Mustang17
on Dec 29, 2011
Those who diss the Wp7 obviously haven't used one. It really is a beautiful and well thought out experience. It makes the hunt n peck Os's seem so dated. BeforevI got this phone, there were those who insisted I should get an iPhone. Not a chance mate. Now they are rather envious of its beauty and smoothness, especially in combination with the Lumia. Teenagers etc are now bypassing the iphone simply because their parents have them. That would be soo uncool. I have to say though, I don't give a damn what phone anybody else has. Typing on it is easy, I just typed all this on my Lumia 800.:-)

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