Microsoft Sticks a Skype-Shaped Dagger in Messenger

Skype is a train wreck that only Microsoft can stop

Well, it’s been a rollercoaster couple of months in the drama that is Microsoft’s decision to replace Windows Live Messenger with Skype. But this week, the firm dropped a bombshell on us: It’s going to replace Messenger with Skype before even pretending to update the utterly terrible Skype client to meet the instant messaging prowess of the application it’s replacing. I can’t stress this enough, folks: Skype is broken. And Microsoft is about to ram it down our collective throats.

You’ve perhaps heard the phrase “the inmates are running the asylum.” In this case, the inmates are running Microsoft’s newest division, called Skype. And they’re running it like an independent entity, one which acts without any apparent corporate oversight by Microsoft—which paid an incredible, unprecedented price of $8.5 billion for Skype—and appears to have free reign to do what it wants, regardless of the outcome.

This isn’t just wrong, it’s criminal. And it’s time for Microsoft—which, again, paid for Skype, not vice-versa—to put the clamps on and turn this wretched piece of software into something that actually works. Clearly the folks running Skype have no clue how to make that happen.

But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

You may recall that Microsoft that announced in November that it would eventually be replacing Messenger with Skype. Then, in January, Microsoft announced that Messenger—the network and the client—would be shut down on March 15, quite a bit earlier than originally expected. This was troubling because Skype, put simply, is an absolutely horrific instant messaging (IM) solution, and Microsoft/Skype (it’s hard to know who’s really running things over there, again) had no plans, public or private, to fix the Skype client by March.

Right after that second article appeared, Ars Technica’s Peter Bright asked Microsoft for clarification, as he correctly found Microsoft’s decision to shut down the entire Messenger by March to be quite insane. So has asked about. And Microsoft told Peter that, no worries, only the Messenger client would be shut down immediately, and the Messenger network would be gradually turned off over a year.

Whoever told Peter that either lied to him or was seriously misinformed. That is not true.

Now, the Messenger client will be completely shut down by the end of April. The shutdown will start on March 15, as previously announced, but that gradual turn off will occur over six weeks, not one year.

The only good news, such as it is, is that this schedule applies “only” to the Windows desktop version of Windows Live Messenger, or as Microsoft describes it, the "vast majority" of the Messenger user base. Those who access Messenger through third party clients like Trillian or Digsby will be able to continue doing so … for a little while. No word yet on a definitive date, but it won’t be a year. Think short-term. A couple of months, tops.

Mary Jo Foley has a lot more about this new schedule in her post, Microsoft updates timeline for moving 'millions' from Messenger to Skype. But what really sets me off is that Skype is not ready. Hell, Skype isn’t even reasonably good software. Let me be clear. Skype is one of the absolutely worst instant messaging solutions I’ve ever used, and after switching to Skype a month ago so I could experience this switchover firsthand ahead of normal users, I can tell you this: Skype is so abysmally bad at instant messaging, so utterly incapable of correctly interacting with my Messenger presence/availability and contacts—all of whom report that I was constantly “offline” when I was not—that I can reasonably predict an absolute disaster when this switchover becomes mandatory. It’s going to be a train wreck.

I have two pieces of advice for Microsoft.

One, forget this schedule. It’s never going to work. Skype sucks.

Two, this is your fault. Fix it. Take the reins on Skype, take them away from whoever is telling you that the Skype client is even passingly acceptable to replace Messenger. They are lying to, incompetent, or both. Skype needs to be taken in-house and fixed. And that needs to happen before you even think about abandoning Messenger.

PS: The fast-track Messenger death schedule isn’t the only news that came out of Skype on Friday. The company/completely independent subsidiary of Microsoft also released a new video-messaging capability for Skype … that works only on the iOS, Mac and Android versions of Skype. The Windows versions of Skype will get this new functionality … in late April. In two months. Windows Phone users will be lucky to see it by Windows Phone 9, if I understand how that schedule works. “Completely unacceptable” doesn’t even begin to describe this situation. Microsoft? I’m begging you. Wake up. 

Discuss this Article 39

GoodThings2Life
on Feb 17, 2013

I, for one, have ALWAYS hated Skype. The only reason I've even taken a remote interest in it is because of Microsoft buying them.

You're absolutely right though... Skype is a horrible product, and I even dislike it as an audio/video solution. WLM was always the better product, even if recent years saw it lose some of its attractiveness.

Skype has also demonstrated this week its inability to prioritize Microsoft platforms for new features, and that's not good for their business. Skype for Windows Phone is terrible, and is still in "beta". It's something that Microsoft has got to step in and rectify.

Rishicash
on Feb 17, 2013

Seriously. How can a company like Microsoft with sooo much money and intellectual capability continually do such stupid things? It is like the "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight". Mistakes here and there are to be expected from anyone, but not a perpetual cavalcade of blunders and boondoggles that is Microsoft. I think Microsoft is very rapidly approaching it's 9th life.

dregourd
on Feb 17, 2013

MINISTRY OF ENDPOINT COMPUTING

Microsoft has been confiscated by few people who have demonstrated month after month how narrow-minded they are. All the good elements have escaped. Only remain standard employees of what could be called a Ministry of Endpoint Computing, as we can call IBM the Ministry of Enterprise computing. No more imagination nor initiative. Only mechanical decisions whic produce boring software (and occasionally desastrous hardware)...

DownWithMS
on Mar 29, 2013

Rishicash, MS has money, not intellect, which is evidenced by this ludicrous move. They've always been out of touch with what people want and frankly, they don't care.

Our company has now uninstalled this useless program on all pc's and instead uses gmail chat and email.

MS will continue to lose users the world over until they get a clue (but we doubt that will happen - they're lacking said intelligence in the first place).

zorb58
on Feb 17, 2013

As you've pointed out, Paul, Microsoft NEEDS to reign in ALL of their divisions. Windows Phone as pointed out in your previous article, and now Skype. I don't understand why MSFT's central management can't align these divisions to make stellar products with the continuity that would it not be for Microsoft's baffling management, would be inevitable and natural...

techwhore
on Feb 17, 2013

Microsoft is a company in dire need of a restructuring. in fact it may be too late. I'm really liking android more and more, the 4.2.2 update fixed most of my frustrations with my nexus seven. If Microsoft's core user base abandons them, and android continues to improve then Microsoft has no chance as a platform

rdenos
on Feb 17, 2013

Microsoft paid $8.5M for Skype and not $18.5M, still Paul is spot on.

johnlavey
on Feb 17, 2013

According to many reliable web sites, Microsoft paid $8.5 BILLION for Skype.

Rev
on Feb 17, 2013

I completely agree. I don't understand how they spend $18 billion on a product and don't try to make it better. They should completely redesign Skype with a new approach to make it the best messaging application, period. Don't cover it in ads, don't do any stupid social network tie-ins (other than allowing Facebook messages). Just make Skype the best instant/video messaging service available. Letting Skype do what it's doing is absurd. They'll run the product in to the ground.

CarlM
on Feb 17, 2013

Hey Microsoft, the Skype IM features are a steaming pile of dung! It's suppose to be Instant Messaging, not 3 minute messaging, which is how long it takes to get a message through Skype. I have both installed and when someone sends me a message, in Messenger it arrives within seconds... Skype usually pops up the same message 3 or 4 minutes later.

The sad part is that this reveals Microsoft as what it really is, a large, faceless corporation that fails to listen to it's customers.

I am really ticked off about this and it won't matter.

navarac
on Feb 17, 2013

Is Microsoft suicidal? What with subscriptions, Office being made to die with a dead computer and now this Skype rubbish, it is definitely time to consider abandoning all stuff M$. I never thought I'd be writing this !

ian.berg
on Feb 17, 2013

Microsoft is behaving like a sports team general manager that keeps playing an an expensive free agent (Skype) a they just signed who's proving to be a did. Meanwhile he benches a good but quiet utility player (Windows Live) brought up from the farm team.

sege122
on Feb 17, 2013

I really like MS products but they are looking increasingly accident prone. They release a music app with Windows 8 that is low in functionality and phase out Zune, they make a mess of product launches and now this Skype issue.

The only redeeming feature is that since Windowsphone is only 3% of the mobile market then supporting 90% of the market makes some sense.

Steve

Mike84
on Feb 17, 2013

i don't think an 'absolute disaster' is on the cards. the insignificant number of people using messenger these days means most won't notice.

I gave skype a go thanks to the 60mins calling Office365 gives you. And from using it/trying to use it, i agree it's awful.

Also - in the UK - the 60 mins can't be used to call cell phones, only landlines! Useless! I don't even know anyone who uses a landline!

pthurrott
on Feb 17, 2013

Interesting perspective. According to Microsoft, "hundreds of millions" of people use Windows Live Messenger regularly. So... I guess we'll see.

Mike84
on Feb 17, 2013

i hope i wasn't sounding antagonistic with my first comment.

but i do think that if there are indeed "hundreds of millions" of users - are they all in China? I suppose the numbers stack up, and points to why they are not closing down messenger there... (am i right to say that?)

bradwestness
on Feb 17, 2013

But do they actually *use* it, or are they just logged in because Windows XP badgered them into setting up an account and starting messenger at logon? I don't know a single person who uses messenger.

andrewtechhelp
on Feb 20, 2013

From everything I've read, from what I can gather, most people in the US don't use Messenger, but I think a lot of people use it elsewhere in the world (who are just as important).

In Australia, up until a year or two ago, most of my friends used Messenger to communicate with each other (stuff like AIM and Yahoo Messenger never took off here or anywhere outside the US I'd bet). I still use it to talk to a couple of friends and because it works with Facebook Chat (which is what most Messenger people I know switched to), I can still use it to talk to them too.

Skype is a horrible mess. It doesn't combine contacts properly like Messenger, Outlook, WP7/8 and Win8 do (so you have 2-3 listings for each person), it doesn't send messages properly, it doesn't have the inline picture sharing (where you could copy and paste an image into the chat window and instantly see it), it doesn't have custom emoticons (and the default emotions look horrible) and it's just generally horrible at IM =/

saqrkh
on Feb 17, 2013

Paul, forgive me for my language but these Microsoft guys seem to have their heads deep up their asses.

How could Skype manage to not prioritize Windows - i.e. the OS of their parent company AND major user base - over friggin Mac OS? Even Ralph Wiggum could figure this one out.

Ted T.
on Feb 17, 2013

On OS X/iOS Skype has major competition from FaceTime/iMessage and Google Voice. On Windows Phone, Windows RT (and to a lesser extent Windows 8) it doesn't. If it wants to keep its paying customers on other platforms, it has to prioritize accordingly.

Sure MS could decide that Skype is better used as a Windows promo than a profit center: fine, but what makes Skype valuable is its vast user base. If my friends/relatives all over Europe (who are mostly on Apple products) stop using Skype, so will I. Multiply that by Skype's Android/Apple users, and suddenly Skype isn't worth nearly as much as a Windows promo, because at best they will be just promoting to the converted.

developer
on Mar 2, 2013

I think MS is progressively going down. Yes, Skype sucks.

The Windows Messenger program also sucks (the last time I used it, it had some ugly web site integrations).

Windows has been sucking for a long time, I think they try to fix some shortcomings in Windows 8, but it is a half-baked product. They should provide payed desktop applications in Windows Store, as you have mentioned, but also a large collection of some free in price, ad-free applications and games (ideally Free Software ones).

Personally, I am not using MS products myself anymore, except Skype for Linux (because a couple of close persons I know, use Skype).

I am running Windows in VirtualBox, for development and testing purposes only.

The easy fixes I recommend, for those wanting to use Windows, is Google Talk/Google Hangouts for messaging, Google Docs or LibreOffice for Office, Google Chrome or Firefox for browser, and the rest Google Apps for cloud services.

When you can video call with other 9 persons (10 people talking in total), for free, why use Skype?

AlexKven
on Feb 17, 2013

Paul, that's because Skype isn't instant messaging software. It does a terrible job... at something that isn't its purpose. But it is a good video calling app. That's like saying Windows Calculator is a terrible photo editing application. Perhaps a better way of looking at this is Microsoft's withdrawal from instant messaging for the time being.

pthurrott
on Feb 18, 2013

When Microsoft announces that it is killing Photo Gallery and that we can use Calculator instead, that analogy will make sense.

Rick Eveleigh
on Feb 27, 2013

Microsoft isn't getting out of IM; they do it brilliantly in Lync. Which is now handled by the Skype division... Paul has called it -- the issue is in the Skype division's management by Microsoft.

xnederlandx
on Feb 18, 2013

There seems to be a lot of frustration and dislike for Skype, though I personally have not had issues with it - In fact, I prefer it over messenger. That said, my contacts are not on messenger, but on Skype so I haven't experienced any presence issues...

kayzee
on Feb 18, 2013

Just registered as this is the first time I've felt the need to comment on an article!

I've been using MSN (or whatever you wanna call it) since the days swearing wasn't allowed in your screen name (good times) and have obviously, recently, moved over to Skype.

You know what, I don't mind it. It is of course annoying that you can't send files, but an email only takes a few extra seconds to sort out. Other than that, I like the clean interface, and have never had a problem with messaging taking some time to send (as I've read other people have) maybe I'm just lucky!

It's not perfect... but I'm happy with it. I've got the feeling I'm alone though!

BxPete
on Feb 18, 2013

To send files, try dragging and dropping them onto the Chat text box. You will get a notification that a file is being transferred and the recipient will receive an accept message and then both can follow the progress of the transfer. I have transferred all types of files using this method, much better and faster than email.

CarlitosLx
on Feb 18, 2013

Yup. Skype is pretty bad as a IM app.

What's worse, the Skype app in WP 7.5 (or 7.8 but a *lot* more could be said about WP 7.8) is even worse, and doesn't even support logging in with a Microsoft Account.

And, providing new features on pretty much all other platforms other than Microsoft's is, uh, beyond words.

To top it off, I also get the online/offline thing.

sebdom
on Feb 18, 2013

I just returned from TechDays in Paris and in a Lync Session, one speaker said MS spent a lot of time switching from Skype pear to pear infrastructure to a Server/Client one. They were pretty much done. I guess (only my guessing) there will now have more time to work on the terrible Skype client…

The Speaker also said the Lync Team has been completely merged into the Skype Team. He said MS vision was that Skype becomes for consumers what Lync is for corporate.

I guess we will learn more during the Lync Conf held this week in San Diego.

BxPete
on Feb 18, 2013

I am a little confused as to why Skype instant messenger is a disaster. Over the past five years or more I have used Skype in business and personal to carry on instant messaging along with voice and video calls without issues. In instant messaging along with just sending chat messages, I have transferred files of different types and some as large as 100MB+ without any issues by just doing drag and drop of the file onto the chat box. Had voice conversations that lasted over an hour nationally and internationally with good quality, even group conversations. Chat messages can even be edited after they are sent to correct typos. Video and Voice has improved greatly as internet service providers provided higher bandwidth and an array of improved webcams came onto the market. So I ask, what is it that other systems have that Skype doesn't so that the millions of simultaneously connected users will understand what is wrong with what they are using. I have used Messenger and stopped using it because I found Skype to be sufficient.

engellion
on Feb 18, 2013

No kayzee, you're not alone. I've been using Skype on Windows for about 5 years. It never felt broken to me.

Instant messaging with my work colleagues works fine. I use Skype for VoIP calls as well as video conferencing. And why would I want to send a file to an offline contact via Skype? that's what outlook/SkyDrive is for. If they are online I have no problem sending files via Skype.

The only thing that really ticked me off was when Microsoft removed the free Desktop sharing feature. Now I use Team Viewer for Desktop Sharing stuff. Now there's a good piece of software. Works great everytime for free.

I'd be interested in reading more Paul, on why you think Skype, originally a video conferencing piece of software, is broken.

developer
on Feb 18, 2013

For those not understanding why Paul does not like Skype, I think it is because he is talking about the Skype for Windows 8:

http://blogs.skype.com/2012/10/21/skype-for-windows8

c136
on Feb 18, 2013

Egads, that looks terrible. One more reason not to downgrade to Windows 8, I guess.

Like some others here, I've been using Skype for years and have never had a problem. All of my business and personal contacts are on Skype, and my current company uses Skype as its primary means of communication and file transfer. I couldn't imagine why Paul (and evidently a few others) disliked it so much. I've played with MSN Messenger a few times, but it always felt like a toy compared to Skype, and anyway, nobody I know has ever been on it.

If it's Skype for Windows 8 he's complaining about, then now I understand. Use the regular Skype client instead. (And use the original Compact view instead of the newer Default view.)

JimmyFal
on Feb 18, 2013

Actually, in the latest update they put those four little buttons up top that are great! The only problem is the entire interface that surrounds those four little icons up top.

FinsUpDNC
on Feb 18, 2013

I normally don't get upset about things like this, but the way Skype has been handled by Microsoft is causing so many problems. First of all, messenger has new mail notifications if you use hotmail and/or outlook.com as your e-mail provider. I use outlook.com for my personal e-mail and since microsoft does not have notifications in the web client for new mail, i use messenger for that. Now, I have to add the outlook.com account to Outlook which is fine, but I like having Outlook desktop app just for my work product. Then comes to the news of updating the iOS and Android app before they even get Skype out of beta on their own mobile os. When it comes to instant messaging, Messenger and Lync do a better job then Skype. Why is Skype winning this battle?

Wicc999
on Feb 19, 2013

I do not understand all the hate. I, being a heavy Messenger user, switched to skype 1 month ago or so. It works. Yes, the sounds are annoying, there are couple of things that need a quick fix related to sending files. But it works just fine!

kayzee
on Feb 19, 2013

Thanks for the tip BxPete! I'll be sure to give that a go.

Do we know what's happening with the Mac versions of WLM/Skype? My girlfriend is the main person I speak to on IM and she uses a Mac...

red77star
on Feb 19, 2013

Skype is bloated crap, just like Windows Live Messenger was bloated crap. I though MS will do a smart move and go back to original idea of Live Messenger but no...they will fuck it more which means goodbye Skype and Messenger and welcome Trillian or something else.

COBCrew
on Feb 20, 2013

To me it would seem that Microsoft has a rather clever strategy for reinventing communication. What if you had a unifying communication application that could support text, video, voice and image messaging combined with for example presence and location information? From end-user perspective today the different communication applications are scattered all over the place and this can be solved by cohesive approach and unifying experience.
I believe that all this part of bigger platform play for Microsoft (and ecosystem play - more about this later). I would think that in the long term Microsoft is aiming to own the dominant communication platform.
When the Skype deal was announced many people viewed that through the traditional pc lense but of course that is not what the future is all about. Microsoft is aiming to have all its communication application (Lync or Skype) on every phone, tablet and pc as their platform play requires ubiquituos presence.
We are of course already seeing that voice communication is shifting from the traditional phone applications to other forms of communication and new types voice communication applications. But few people realise the fundamental impact this will have. There are two major developments that will enable the disruption to occur. The first one in is move to high speed mobile networks and the second is move to smarter portable communication devices. The missing piece is the communication platform and required client applications which, I think Microsoft has with Lync and Skype.
As Microsoft is aiming to disrupt the status quo in communication technology it makes only perfect sense that they are keeping Skype as a separate unit.
Furthermore I believe that Microsoft is going to use this communication platform to tie users tighter to their ecosystem (software, services, devices). The tie in could occur by providing customers for example better pricing, better services, better user experince for using Microsoft software, services and devices. RIM's BBM once gave us a glimpse of what this could be but on a much smaller scale.

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