Thinking About a 128 GB iPad … and a 64 GB Surface Pro

Tech enthusiasts are in an uproar today ... about storage space?

Two interesting and coincidental revelations occurred today. Apple announced painfully expensive 128 GB versions of the iPad, which I’d normally not comment on or care much about. And the blogosphere is up in arms with news that Microsoft’s Surface Pro tablets waste a ton of disk space, with the 64 GB version offering up just 23 GB of usage space. These items are, alas, related.

First, the iPad.

If you had told me that Apple was going to add a 128 GB version of the iPad—it currently offers 16, 32, and 64 GB versions, which come in a variety of Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi/LTE configurations—I would have assumed that the company would simply eliminate the 16 GB versions and price the others accordingly, with the 32 GB versions occupying the low-end and hitting the entry-level $500 price point.

But that’s not what Apple is doing. Instead, it is retaining the existing configurations, and their price points, and is adding the 128 GB versions to the top of the line, creating new, even more expensive options. A 128 GB iPad with Wi-Fi will cost an astonishing $800, while a version with LTE will cost a budget busting $930. That’s over double the price of the average Windows laptop. (Which is $420).

This blows me away.

But while I dismissed this move with a “classic Apple” comment on Twitter earlier today, I’ll at least say this: If you are truly embracing the post-PC theory and are going to use an iPad as your only “computer,” and are downloading photos from your camera, watching content, creating documents with iWork, and so on … well, maybe 128 GB—and that crazy $800 to $930 point—makes sense to you.

I will say that for Apple: In a down economy, with PC prices (and unit sales) falling, releasing a high-end and even more expensive iPad is either crazy, or crazy like a fox. It’s the type of thing Steve Jobs absolutely would have done, with an imagined middle finger extended towards critics like me who have been complaining that the price of the iPad was already far too high.

(When you consider that one of the imagined success stories of the PC world today is the $249 Chromebook, this is even more astonishing. Apple isn’t just ignoring the low end of the market, they’re doubling down on lunatic pricing. God bless ‘em.)

And then there’s Microsoft.

Next week, Microsoft will unveil its hypetastic Surface Pro tablet, the high-end and PC-compatible version of the mixed Surface with Windows RT tablet it shipped last year. I’m going to be writing tons about this device in the days ahead, but a week before the launch, something odd has happened. Mimicking what happened in the build-up to the release of Surface RT, bloggers have reported that the Surface Pro suspiciously eats up a lot of storage space.

More specifically, the 64 GB version of Surface Pro apparently comes with only 23 GB of free space. 8 GB of that, apparently, is tied to the recovery partition, so if you create a recovery disk, you can delete that and get 31 GB free. But the rest is Windows 8 Pro plus a handful of built-in apps, like Skype and the Office 365 Home Premium trial.

The 128 GB version of Surface Pro, likewise, ships with 83 GB of free space. Again, you can save 8 GB of that by deleting the recovery partition.

This seems to bother a lot of people. And since I’ve routinely described the iPad as too expensive, as noted above, and the Surface Pro models are more expensive than comparable iPads ($899 for a 64 GB Surface Pro vs. $699 for iPad, and $999 for a 128 GB Surface Pro vs. $799 for iPad), well … I’ve got some ‘splanin’ to do.

Folks, Surface Pro is too expensive too. So is Surface RT, as I’ve argued elsewhere. (That said, Surface RT is far more directly comparable to the iPad, and the pricing is more inline: A 64 GB Surface RT device costs $599, $100 less than the comparable iPad.)

But the other issue is that the iPad suffers from a very strange problem. Its Retina display, at a whopping, bigger-than-HD 2048-by-1536 resolution, is, in my mind, unnecessarily vast. It requires apps to include gigantic graphic resources which have exploded the sizes of apps. It’s kind of a weird thing to say, but the iPad, which in many ways is vastly inferior to a PC, actually requires more storage space because of this app size/screen resolution issue.

Which brings me to why these issues are in fact related.

All the complaints I’ve seen today about the lack of storage on Surface Pro devices involves self-righteous indignation about why or how Microsoft can possible sell a device that so bald-facedly misrepresents the amount of free space it has. But the Surface Pro is just a PC, and in addition to being expandable with micro-SD storage, this situation is well understood. It simply doesn’t need as much storage space, especially if you’ve embraced cloud computing (SkyDrive, Xbox Music, etc.). And anyone who knows enough to be upset about this can delete the recovery partition. Obviously.

But here’s another oddity to this situation. Where iPad is supposedly embracing this “post-PC” world, its apps in fact are bigger, heavier, and more resource intensive than they used to be, necessitating more storage. But I find that I need very little onboard storage on my Windows devices, and that’s true with both Windows RT and Windows 8, with dozens of apps installed. That said, I’d recommend 64 GB for RT and 128 GB for Windows 8. No shame in that.

Not that any of this matters. The real issues here are in fact related, but different than what everyone is complaining about. Apple should have eliminated the 16 GB iPad and pushed the other allotments down the pricing scale. And Microsoft should be pricing each Surface RT and Surface Pro model at least $100 less than they are. All of these devices, iPads and Surface alike, are simply too expensive.

Discuss this Article 58

AlexKven
on Jan 29, 2013

All of the Surface tablets are overpriced, because the 32 GB Surface RT was supposed to cost $200. I would love a Surface, but I just don`t see these things succeeding unless Microsoft undercuts Apple. People will pay more for Apple because Apple is seen as a quality brand, whereas Microsoft needs to prove its quality before charging Apple-like pricing.

abw1987
on Jan 29, 2013

Lol, the $200 price point was nothing more than a rumor.

GoodThings2Life
on Jan 29, 2013

Agreed, although I actually bought Surface RT and am planning to buy Surface Pro. I'm buying them precisely because they ARE quality products.

I do find the storage issue perplexing, if only that people have had this "problem" since the history of Windows, and Macs and iWhatevers are the same.

I'm not saying it should be that way... and perhaps someday it won't... but it's not news, and really, nobody cares... except people with axes to grind and those who already know how to overcome the limit in many other ways.

studio4llc
on Jan 30, 2013

Agreed. I purchased the Surface RT for my wife between Christmas and New Year. The first thing I noticed when taking it out the effective, simplistic box was the quality – make that supurb quality. Hats off to Microsoft for taking a huge gamble and showing me that Apple is not the only company capable of producing excellent, minimalist design. Design is the only thing i give Apple credit for.

After my workstation was sent back to the mfg for maintenance (motherboard), I was forced to use the Surface RT. WOW!!! Even from an extreme power user and fully understanding the limitations of RT/iPad type devices, this little guy impresses. USB dongle allowed me to connect a mouse and a 2tb external hdd.

jeffkibuule
on Jan 29, 2013

The 32GB Surface RT was supposed to cost $200? O_o

You need to stop smoking the strong stuff.

wekempf
on Jan 29, 2013

"Supposed to cost"? According to who? Regardless, this logic is so utterly flawed it hurts. Because "people" aren't sure what the quality is going to be like the device is supposed to be sold for less than cost (i.e. at a loss)? What an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

Dess
on Jan 29, 2013

Does this mean 128GB SSD Windows 8 Ultrabooks also "only" have 83GB free? Why does this suddenly matter now that the Surface Pro has the same "problem" as other conventional laptops?

brians (not verified)
on Jan 29, 2013

If you delete your recovery partition, how will you get your system reset? This is Windows after all, needed resets are not exactly uncommon. Normally one creates recovery disks, but I assume this is not an option here? Can a Surface Pro boot of a USB or DVD drive?

Yuxie
on Jan 29, 2013

I believe that you would still be able to rest the system as it is built in Windows 8. You would not, however, be able to get windows back if it completely failed on you (deleted system32 for some reason.)

West3man
on Jan 31, 2013

That makes it a deal breaker - even if you can use an external device.

Removing features that make the devices comparable removes the right to compare them.

haywardpw
on Jan 30, 2013

You can make a USB recovery backup. I freed up 5GB on my Surface RT by doing that - took minutes and used up an old USB stick I had lying around.

efjay
on Jan 29, 2013

I wonder why the storage amounts on Windows 8 tablets is seen as such a shock to the "tech press". Every single PC to date has always had less than the advertised storage but for some reason with Windows 8 its being portrayed as a big surprise. Actually, the reason for the mock shock is clear, to portay MS and Windows 8 in as negative a light as possible in comparison to their precious idevices. Pretty sad since this has been the standard since the beginning of PC's but its all different now in the post-pc iworld...../S

icwhatudidthere
on Jan 29, 2013

It's true all devices lose storage space to OS and recovery. But almost universally, my guestimate is that's around 10-15% lost. In Android and iOS devices, that's because the OSs are smaller than full desktops and PCs still usually have large hard drives so 36GB out of a 500GB hard drive is no big deal.

Now try to stuff a full desktop OS into tablet-level storage sizes and you end up losing more than 60% of advertised storage! People are right to be up in arms about that. Imagine buying a 64GB thumb drive and getting 32GB drive in the box. That's essentially what consumers are seeing.

West3man
on Jan 31, 2013

Thank you.

It's not always faux outrage.

jeffskent
on Jan 29, 2013

I see the tech press as always have and always will tend toward the sensationalist view of any event for any company. The purpose of any news story is to entice readers, generate comments, and provoke discussion, if possible. A down played, run of the mill, oh, hum sort of story line will not attract the kind of readership that will enhance the approval rating of the writer. Isn't this in Journalism 101. Make your copy punchy, outrageous if possible, and controversial, at least for some writers.

JimmyFal
on Jan 29, 2013

As soon as Surface RT has all the go to apps that the iPad has, then the prices, when $100 cheaper than they are, would be justified. But 3 months later, we don't have that 150,000 apps that the Microsoft executive famously predicted.

But I think the unanswered question in this article is: if Surface Pro 64 has 23 usable, how much is usable out of the box on iPad 64? And wouldn't couldn't retail outlets do themselves a favor by offering a free 32gb chip as an incentive? I have the Surface RT 64 with a 32gb chip I had laying around stuffed in to it. Space not even close to being and issue.

I'm still puzzled as to why MS didn't price these cheaper. I think they needed the hard cores to weed out the bugs in the platform before the lowly, toolbar installing neophytes got their hands on them maybe. Imagine the surprise when they try to put the Ask.com toolbar in with java, and get a stop sign. I wonder if PC Optimizer Pro has an RT app yet... hmmmm

dalestrauss
on Jan 29, 2013

Paul - I think you are looking at this through the wrong end of the telescope my friend. The real purpose of the MaxiPad, and its release date of February 5, is to respond to, and take away from, the hype over the Surface Pro 128GB release. Look at the press release information from Apple; it is replete with references to the MaxiPad being the solution in the enterprise for large file storage and manipulation. I truly believe that Mr. Cook is starting to rue his "refrigerator and toaster" comment from last year. If there is only $200 difference between MaxiPad and the top of the line Surface Pro, it is a testament to Microsoft's manufacturing partner cramming a whole lot into that little frame.

Jago
on Jan 29, 2013

Whilst I can certainly appreciate that iPads are not cheap (I sold a laptop to buy my first one), I don't quite understand why you think that they and the Surface devices should be so much cheaper than they are?

Surely one thing Apple has proved is that by avoiding (for the most part) the rush to the bottom with prices, they have become hugely profitable. In contrast a lot of traditional PC makers seem to be struggling? I can't see how much cheaper devices would help Microsoft that much either as the OEM's wouldn't be able to afford the Windows license and still make a profit?

AdamMyhr
on Jan 29, 2013

Does anybody know how much space is available on a 64Gb Macbook Air? It seems to me that if you want to compare then this would be a much more accurate one than the Surface Pro versus an iPad.

Jago
on Jan 29, 2013

Mountain Lion takes up 11Gb on my wife's MacBook Air, but I. Think it varies a bit with different language packs etc from 6gb to 13gb

Mark from CO
on Jan 29, 2013

Paul: In your article you stated "one of the imagined success stories of the PC world today is the $249 Chromebook." I would, and I think many others would like you to expand on your thoughts on this subject. I think the low-end is extremely important for Microsoft to defend. In phones, this was the entry point for Android to come and dominant smart phone sales volume. In the broader mobile computing space, your thoughts why this will be or not be any different would be interesting for us readers. With Google Docs improvement, cheap Android PCs with free productivity apps is compelling for the consumer who drives volume. From what I've seen in my business experience, this will be more and more compelling to businesses as well as the productivity differences between Android's ecosystem and Windows narrows. IBM didn't see it was in a fight for its life until it was too late - nor did most commentators. OS/2 was it believed to be IBM's savior... but too little/too late. Perhaps there is some similarities in terms of Microsoft not fully realizing the threat it is under. Is Windows 8 too little/too late? Your thoughts of the longer term prospect of the major players are of interest to us!!

Mark from CO
on Jan 29, 2013

Just read Paul's "PC Makers Aren’t Learning From History," which gives Paul's view on the issue I raised. Thank you Paul. Time will tell on this.

simplify
on Jan 29, 2013

I'm sure that removing the Office Trial would remove more space, wouldn't it? I would like to hear that option explored, since I probably wouldn't be using Office myself (I do have Office 365).

I think the difference between a bloated OS and a bloated App is that the App graphics do provide value (beautiful Retina graphics). Usually, the complaint about graphics being large comes from the non-Retina users and people with slow connections. Apple only gives you the option of a single app bundle to download.

You also don't explore that when Retina graphics screens do become available on Surface, that Surface will get a double hit of bloat from the OS and the Apps. I think this should be considered as well.

I am biased since I am an iOS developer and a long time Mac user, but I do live in a Windows world also and want to see the Windows 8 Store interface succeed over Android.

mghartman
on Jan 29, 2013

Well designed apps should use XAML and vector graphics to achieve high-res visuals with minimal space.. But I would guess the same applies to iOS apps so I may be all wet..

GarrickJannene
on Jan 29, 2013

iPad apps may be getting bigger, but they still pale in comparison to the 3D-intensive games that for the time being are only found on PC, and therefore Surface Pro. My folder for Guild Wars 2 is over 16 gigs all by itself. My Steam folder? 54 gigs, and I don't consider myself a power user of Steam.

I think it's going to take a while for iOS to catch up to that level of program size.

ShinyNugget
on Jan 29, 2013

I would have real heartburn if I bought a product and more than 60% of the storage was unusable by the consumer. Which is the case with the 64Gb Surface Pro. 23Gb of available space in a device being advertised for business use is surely a joke. The reason no one makes a stink when a PC has less than advertised space is most PC's now come with huge hard drives. Dell's smallest available in desktops is 500Gb! If Windows 8 uses 41Gb of 500Gb you still have plenty of storage left. Imagine if that 500Gb drive already had 320Gb of space taken, the same percentage as Surface Pro. People would rightly howl bloody murder over that. On deleting the recovery partition, as a sysadmin backups and redundancy are my quasi-religion. Deleting the recovery partition for the average user is a terrible idea. Maybe techies are able to work around potential problems but most of our parents would be sunk without easy to use recoveries available.

jena
on Feb 4, 2013

The press (and you) are being somewhat disengenuious. The space IS being used for your benefit, it is running the software that enables the device to do the things that make it a device that the business world desires. True, you may not want all the software that comes on the Surface Pro but be honest, don't you delete most of the bloat that the OEMs pour on top of the OS?

MS isn't lying or hiding the storage issues. They are stated on the box and on the web site. I don't have an iPad so I don't know but does Apple advertise on their website or on the iPad box that not ALL of the 16, 32, 64 and now 128gb are available to the buyer? Anyone who isn't aware that software takes up available space either has never owned a computer, tablet or cell phone or is so naive that they likely shouldn't be allowed to own one.

Windows software is large, that's a known fact. It SHOULD also be known by anyone vaguely IT knowledgeable that it is large because of everything it allows to be done with the devices it resides on. If you don't need Windows there is a very simple solution. Don't buy it!

gkeramidas
on Jan 29, 2013

on my windows 8 desktop, I have a lot of programs installed, including office pro plus 2013, 2 prior versions of excel, quickbooks, a database development program and many others. they take up a whopping 5.25gb. the total used space on my drive is 44gb.

I don't see any issue here, i'll be getting 128gb surface, just in case, but I probably won't need it.

MarkH
on Jan 29, 2013

I can't say that this is all bad. I personally love Windows 8 in all its many form factors, but I loved Vista at the time (mostly because I have the expertise to actually clean off the crap manufacturers put on there and make it run properly). All the same, people *freaked out* over Vista and kicked and screamed while manufacturers begrudgingly updated their hardware and drivers...but they DID update their hardware and drivers...and then Windows 7 came along as the savior to all PC's and was heralded as nothing short of God's gift to computers.

Now we have Windows 8, which I absolutely love (again, because I can make it walk and talk on my whim). And, again, people are predictably absolutely losing their...well...their freaking out again. But new form factors and tablets ARE being made, new apps ARE being written and drivers ARE being created. Can anyone guess what's going to happen next?

My prediction is that Microsoft has realized the industry trend (install 3.11, skip 95, install 98, skip 2000, install XP, skip Vista, install 7...) and is simply using the "scapegoat" mentality again. Toss an OS out there that people can hate but that will serve a purpose, then deliver the REAL version and make a clean sweep.

...or I could be completely wrong :-) But here's to hoping and enjoying what I have right now.

sege122
on Jan 29, 2013

Perfume is just smelly water. I don't mean to be rude but what defines a fragrance is it's name. Dior, Calvin Klein and so on are not just expensive but only sell because they are expensive.

Apple is the same. The OS doesn't matter, the form factor is irrelevant, it can't be compared to a PC or an android tablet. The idea is that it is technology, meeting art, adding a touch of fashion plus a premium price. When the iphone 5 came out with the new headphone jack on the bottom the people who just got one on my morning commute spent just an extra second pausing to very deliberately insert a headphone jack obviously into the bottom of their phone. Why? Very simply they wanted to make a statement of buying a fashion item defined by high price.

Microsoft and the PC world are in the opposite position. The ultrabooks have been out for 18 months and people simply look great. However the only statement you make using one is that you have an expensive PC. You can run Windows on a device half the price so you just look stupid that you have spent more money than you need to.

Microsoft are not going to get people to spend lots more money on a Windows device until it becomes fashionable and cool to do so. For consumers Microsoft needs to be cool and a desirable brand in which a premium is clearly justified.

kcarson97404
on Jan 29, 2013

When I purchased my 32GB Surface RT, I was concerned about the lack of storage space, so I immediately added a 32GB microSD card. Having now used my Surface for 4 months or so, because of the cloud storage for XBox Music and Skydrive, I find that I have yet to fill even the built-in 32GB, let alone need to start using the microSD storage I added. Microsoft detractors can cry foul all they want, but in my everyday usage, this has just not been an issue.

Kingbee13
on Jan 29, 2013

MY 32gig Surface RT has 11 gig free after using it for several months as well as a 64gig sd card that's empty because I frankly don't need any local storage. I had to look after reading this article, like my phone I don't pay attention to how much storage it has. the Surface pro will need more if you use a lot of desktop apps, 128gig version is standard for ultrabooks and that's what I'd get on a Pro

jimbie882
on Jan 29, 2013

I'm surprised that you wrote an article that compares the iPad 128 and the Surface Pro 64 and didn't see the implications.

The new iPad is a PC Tablet killer.

After you tried iPad, why go to PC Tablets anymore? The iPads have scaled from the low $300 to $1000. The newest iPad with 128 GB means every more capable Apps will be created to compete with the best PC programs.

The Surface Pro will suffer because the hard drive size is ridiculously small. Actually, it is reasonable, but since Windows 8 and Office takes up so much space, people don't have much room. People will call it Windows bloat.

They need to remove the recovery partition, which is barely used. I never used it myself. Older PCs need it since Windows XP or 98 was quite unstable. I never had any problems with Windows 7.

Remove Office. Not everyone needs it. Give everyone owner a free Office download when they join the App store. Or allow them to only download the programs they need like Word or Excel.

I fear for Surface Pro. I think Microsoft has made many mistakes launching their new device. Perception is hugely important. They need to fix their launch product.

Heavyhanded
on Jan 30, 2013

MS Marketing could be much better. They really need to bring in people from their competitors.

bpropp
on Jan 29, 2013

Sigh. 23GB is too small. Period. Even the biggest cloud lover will have that wall looming after some update files cache and temp files build up. And remember the point of the Pro is that you actually can install real applications. You have to wow with these products and you can't release things that destined to leave a bad taste in people's mouths and hurt your reputation. The reputation that you are desperately trying to build. Seriously, just don't release it.
I want to love them. I want to buy them. I am a MS apologist I guess. It sure is difficult with the product run they are on. I can't think of a single win and many are just plain bad. Really, even with an open mind I find myself saying what? Huh? But why... I feel I am about to tap out.

red77star
on Jan 30, 2013

Surface Pro is not PC and that is a problem. Microsoft is trying hard to push Surface Pro as PC but in fact it is not, it is just a Tablet which with Windows 8 in it wanna be PC. Both devices are too expensive but i would go with iPad because it is true Tablet and it does what Tablet is meant for thanks to iOS. At the end Microsoft is losing this game big time.

bennett_cg
on Jan 30, 2013

I think you might be a touch confused here. Surface Pro is a full-fledged PC in a tablet form factor. It has a full-blown Windows 8 Professional OS and can run legacy applications as well as the new WDL apps. An iPad, by comparison, is a scaled-up phone OS that can only run phone OS apps yet somehow costs just as much (or more) than an actual, traditional computer.

Also, I think I have to ask why would anyone prefer to have just a "true Tablet" when they can have a device that accomplishes everything a PC and a "true Tablet" are capable of?

Heavyhanded
on Jan 30, 2013

I'm not sure what the hub-bub is really about. I guess it is that bloggers need page hits and they can get a lot by talking about Apple and MS, good or bad.
I'm still happy with the 64GB of storage on my Samsung Series Slate. I use my SD card for media. I only wish SkyDrive and DropBox could sync to SD cards.

Bryan Moore
on Jan 30, 2013

"Folks, Surface Pro is too expensive too. So is Surface RT, as I’ve argued elsewhere. (That said, Surface RT is far more directly comparable to the iPad, and the pricing is more inline: A 64 GB Surface RT device costs $599, $100 less than the comparable iPad.)"

I could not agree with you more! You sir understand this. I think if Microsoft would lower the prices it would be competing very nicely with Apple.

West3man
on Jan 31, 2013

Except that a 64GB Surface Pro reportedly has less storage available than the iPad that costs $100 less.

ad24
on Jan 30, 2013

Surface Pro with 64 GB of storage should not be released at all. Come on, it really sounds like a joke to say that a "non-compromise" device has 23 GB of free storage. Anybody who can live with that amount of storage has an Android or iPad tablet anyway.

Apple should be applauded for leading. Now that they offered 128 GB of storage in a tablet everybody else will start doing the same. I really do not get why MS did not offer (decently priced) up to 128 GB storage options on RT and 128-256 GB on Surface Pro.

jena
on Feb 4, 2013

How is it so many people repeatedly miss the point?! It is WHAT YOU CAN DO with the Surface (even the RT) that you can't do with an iPad or Android tablet. To do that it needs software and that software takes up space. So the 64gb leaves you with 23gb. Even if you don't delete anything AND you add Office Pro 2013 (3gb for the full thing), you still have 20gb on the internal drive. On top of that you have Skydrive and/or Dropbox or Mega or whatever cloud service you want. AND you can attach whatever thumb drive or external hard drive you want (there's is now a 1tb thumb drive). AND you can use the largest micro sd card made. What more do you need? Unless you're a gamer or do major graphics work, I say nothing.

Now, take you iPad or Android tablet. If you want to use it in a normal work environment (ie an MS Office) you have add (OMG) software! That will take up what? Hard drive space! Let's hope you're not using a 16 or 32gb iPad. If you need more space there is the cloud, just like a Surface might use but if you're someplace without internet access . . . (and there are still a lot of those places) you are out of luck.

To put it simply, don't compare a Surface to iPad (or even an Android really), each were made for a different clientele. But, whereas using an iPad or Android for an MS Office world requires extra software and peripherals, using Surface for entertainment, as the majority of iPad and Android tablets are used, only requires that you turn it on.

bathswana
on Jan 30, 2013

Surface with 32GB was supposed to cost $200? You do know that the 32GB Surface comes bundled with a $100 copy of MS Office, right?

Internet rumors become urban legend become truth to some.

mp
on Jan 30, 2013

MS has reduced the potential of Surface Pro by limiting the RAM and storage. I think there would be a market for 256Gb or even 512Gb storage on Surface, even though this would push the price up still further, especially if allied to decent amounts of RAM.

Hopefully, other PC makers will come up with a device that does it all and has a decent docking station to go with it.

Fleet Command
on Jan 30, 2013

I sometimes feel people think there are only two computer companies in the world: Microsoft and Apple. That is not so. There are a whole of manufacturers out there that produce high quality laptops and devices. Sony, Asus, HP, Samsung, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Toshiba, etc. They all produce mobile devices.

Simply put: Neither Microsoft products nor Apple's have a high value-to-cost ratio score.

piebald
on Jan 30, 2013

Windows 8 and Windows 8 tablets have been nothing short of disappointing to me. I received my first Windows 8 tablet, the ThinkPad Tablet 2, a few weeks ago. The build quality of this device is excellent, however the OS leave much to be desired. It typically blue screens daily with a power management error, gives other random errors, and also IE 10 in Metro freezes on a VERY regular basis. When this happens, the devices becomes unusable for several minutes until it displays the sad face and does the memory dump, stating that it is going to reset. Then after it gets to 100%, it just sits there. After a hard reset you can start working again. A complete recovery has been performed and the only application installed is Office 2013 Professional Plus.

So far this was not what I expected. I always imagined how much more productive I could be with a Windows tablet running Windows applications. With the bluetooth keyboard that came with it, I can indeed create documents and respond to email, but in the end, the screen is too small to really do much work and it is cumbersome to use. I have an iPad 2 as well and have used iPads since the iPad 2 was released. I have always "liked" the iPad but always thought there was a lot of room left in this segment for improvement. I thought the Windows 8 tablet may fill that void, but after using it, I can't wait to pick up the iPad 2 again. There is no comparison. Maybe Windows 8 R2 will be what we have been waiting for for tablets.

I think a ThinkPad X1 Carbon is a much better option than the ThinkPad Tablet 2 for the price difference and for what you get.

prettyconfusd
on Jan 30, 2013

For most users 84GB will still be fine. My issue with this is that the Windows 8 installation on Surface Pro appears to be so much larger than standard.

I have a 128GB Samsung Slate from 2011. After a clean install of Windows 8 Pro + Media Pack, Office 2013 full, Adobe CS6 full and a bunch of other programs and apps I have 85GB free for my own files and settings. Even adding on the recovery partition that's still 78GB free.

I just don't get what they've put on there to make it so bloated.

My other big issue is that once again they've opened themselves up to a load of criticism and bad PR they really could have done without.

I'm glad Apple stuck true to form though, they could have just as easily released a 32GB and 64GB model with a microSD slot for the same price as they are now and people would have flocked.

I find the retina graphics confusing though. Why can little Tegra3 and A6 chips pump out FullHD+ graphics in a tiny tablet yet to get 1920x1080 on Windows or OSX you need a machine the size of a truck (and just as noisy)?

Still, after experiencing 340ppi on my HTC 8X I understand the appeal, though 1366x768 on a 10" tablet is also perfectly acceptable to me (heck, I find it acceptable on the 11.6" slate I use).

o0MattE0o
on Jan 30, 2013

I just would like to know the UK Release date and price?

spinedoc
on Jan 30, 2013

This is TERRIBLE reporting on the parts of the tech outlets, they are plainly looking for an opportunistic headline to grab mouse clicks, the equivalent of tech trolling. Besides the true formatted size of hard disks (1000 versus 1024) which means a 64gb hard drive is really around 59gb of useable space we can add the recovery partition and the office trial. If you take these away and factor for the true space then the number is over double the 23gb being thrown around, in fact the number is pretty close to what is left on the 64gb macbook air after getting the true space it holds and subtracting about 11gb for the OS.

It's just incredibly annoying that this is even bandied about.

spinedoc
on Jan 30, 2013

Oh, and let's not forget the potential 64gb we can ADD with a microSD card. I can see Apple fans screaming about how much of a "feature" the lack of external storage is, it's much better to pay the $100 bucks to Apple to get that 64gb built in.

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