Thinking About a 128 GB iPad … and a 64 GB Surface Pro

Tech enthusiasts are in an uproar today ... about storage space?

Two interesting and coincidental revelations occurred today. Apple announced painfully expensive 128 GB versions of the iPad, which I’d normally not comment on or care much about. And the blogosphere is up in arms with news that Microsoft’s Surface Pro tablets waste a ton of disk space, with the 64 GB version offering up just 23 GB of usage space. These items are, alas, related.

First, the iPad.

If you had told me that Apple was going to add a 128 GB version of the iPad—it currently offers 16, 32, and 64 GB versions, which come in a variety of Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi/LTE configurations—I would have assumed that the company would simply eliminate the 16 GB versions and price the others accordingly, with the 32 GB versions occupying the low-end and hitting the entry-level $500 price point.

But that’s not what Apple is doing. Instead, it is retaining the existing configurations, and their price points, and is adding the 128 GB versions to the top of the line, creating new, even more expensive options. A 128 GB iPad with Wi-Fi will cost an astonishing $800, while a version with LTE will cost a budget busting $930. That’s over double the price of the average Windows laptop. (Which is $420).

This blows me away.

But while I dismissed this move with a “classic Apple” comment on Twitter earlier today, I’ll at least say this: If you are truly embracing the post-PC theory and are going to use an iPad as your only “computer,” and are downloading photos from your camera, watching content, creating documents with iWork, and so on … well, maybe 128 GB—and that crazy $800 to $930 point—makes sense to you.

I will say that for Apple: In a down economy, with PC prices (and unit sales) falling, releasing a high-end and even more expensive iPad is either crazy, or crazy like a fox. It’s the type of thing Steve Jobs absolutely would have done, with an imagined middle finger extended towards critics like me who have been complaining that the price of the iPad was already far too high.

(When you consider that one of the imagined success stories of the PC world today is the $249 Chromebook, this is even more astonishing. Apple isn’t just ignoring the low end of the market, they’re doubling down on lunatic pricing. God bless ‘em.)

And then there’s Microsoft.

Next week, Microsoft will unveil its hypetastic Surface Pro tablet, the high-end and PC-compatible version of the mixed Surface with Windows RT tablet it shipped last year. I’m going to be writing tons about this device in the days ahead, but a week before the launch, something odd has happened. Mimicking what happened in the build-up to the release of Surface RT, bloggers have reported that the Surface Pro suspiciously eats up a lot of storage space.

More specifically, the 64 GB version of Surface Pro apparently comes with only 23 GB of free space. 8 GB of that, apparently, is tied to the recovery partition, so if you create a recovery disk, you can delete that and get 31 GB free. But the rest is Windows 8 Pro plus a handful of built-in apps, like Skype and the Office 365 Home Premium trial.

The 128 GB version of Surface Pro, likewise, ships with 83 GB of free space. Again, you can save 8 GB of that by deleting the recovery partition.

This seems to bother a lot of people. And since I’ve routinely described the iPad as too expensive, as noted above, and the Surface Pro models are more expensive than comparable iPads ($899 for a 64 GB Surface Pro vs. $699 for iPad, and $999 for a 128 GB Surface Pro vs. $799 for iPad), well … I’ve got some ‘splanin’ to do.

Folks, Surface Pro is too expensive too. So is Surface RT, as I’ve argued elsewhere. (That said, Surface RT is far more directly comparable to the iPad, and the pricing is more inline: A 64 GB Surface RT device costs $599, $100 less than the comparable iPad.)

But the other issue is that the iPad suffers from a very strange problem. Its Retina display, at a whopping, bigger-than-HD 2048-by-1536 resolution, is, in my mind, unnecessarily vast. It requires apps to include gigantic graphic resources which have exploded the sizes of apps. It’s kind of a weird thing to say, but the iPad, which in many ways is vastly inferior to a PC, actually requires more storage space because of this app size/screen resolution issue.

Which brings me to why these issues are in fact related.

All the complaints I’ve seen today about the lack of storage on Surface Pro devices involves self-righteous indignation about why or how Microsoft can possible sell a device that so bald-facedly misrepresents the amount of free space it has. But the Surface Pro is just a PC, and in addition to being expandable with micro-SD storage, this situation is well understood. It simply doesn’t need as much storage space, especially if you’ve embraced cloud computing (SkyDrive, Xbox Music, etc.). And anyone who knows enough to be upset about this can delete the recovery partition. Obviously.

But here’s another oddity to this situation. Where iPad is supposedly embracing this “post-PC” world, its apps in fact are bigger, heavier, and more resource intensive than they used to be, necessitating more storage. But I find that I need very little onboard storage on my Windows devices, and that’s true with both Windows RT and Windows 8, with dozens of apps installed. That said, I’d recommend 64 GB for RT and 128 GB for Windows 8. No shame in that.

Not that any of this matters. The real issues here are in fact related, but different than what everyone is complaining about. Apple should have eliminated the 16 GB iPad and pushed the other allotments down the pricing scale. And Microsoft should be pricing each Surface RT and Surface Pro model at least $100 less than they are. All of these devices, iPads and Surface alike, are simply too expensive.

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jimfrost
on Jan 30, 2013

"But I think the unanswered question in this article is: if Surface Pro 64 has 23 usable, how much is usable out of the box on iPad 64?"

About 60GB. iOS uses around 2GB, and there is a little loss due to drive formatting.

A few notes regarding Paul's discussion of the iPad, from some real-world long-term experience, and then onto my core reason for being here, the Surface Pro. If you don't give a whit about the iPad, just skip down to the asterisks.

1) I originally bought a 16GB iPad1, but found that it was pretty easy to eat the ~13GB of space up with just apps and maybe a movie or two when traveling. (This was before Retina displays, obviously.) When I replaced it with a new model last year I popped for the full-tilt 64G model just for that reason alone. When I bought that first iPad I had no idea it would find day-to-day uses, I expected to use it as a living room browser. Instead, it has replaced my laptop for a whole lot of stuff and become a go-to workhorse machine, possible because of the incredible app inventory. Color me very, very surprised.

2) Paul mentions the growth in app sizes, and it's true they are bigger, but it's still the rare app that pushes over 1GB -- usually those are games with deep graphics. In any case, they're usually way smaller than Windows (perhaps not WinRT) apps, in my experience.

3) Media files can eat storage very fast, much faster than apps, and the iPad is a really good media device. I would bet almost anything that the target market for those 128GB systems are people using them for photography and large music catalogs. It's hard to overstress just how good the iPad is turning out to be for music in particular; it's a really cheap do-everything effects box for guitars, for instance.

4) I am no fan of Apple's pricing for SSD storage, in the iPad or on their laptops, but one thing about price discussions in the press always bothered me. Before the iPad was released, everyone was figuring on an $800 unit to start, and complaining it would be too expensive. It debuted at $500, which was wow-cheap! for a week, then everyone was claiming it was too expensive. It's hard to see how you can have it both ways.

Given the sales rates and the fact that the competition in the 10" tablet space is having a hell of a time beating Apple on price, the iPad appears very well priced in reality. If you think of an iPad as a toy, yea, $900 is outrageous. But if it's a tool, well, it's exceptionally well crafted, durable, performant, and the built-in cellular option is unbelievably convenient and cheap (VZ datacard plans start about two and a half times as expensive as the top-end iPad dataplan, which is why my laptop doesn't have one). I've spent way more for way worse laptops that I used less day to day.

Moreover, the iOS apps are very inexpensive relative to Windows apps. It doesn't take too much software to invert the value proposition of a Windows laptop and an iPad completely. This probably doesn't matter much on the business side, but on the consumer side? An iPad is a very interesting value proposition on that point alone, before you even start talking about how much easier they are for mere mortals to administer than Windows.

Having said that about iPads, I know they're not for everyone, and even though I use an iPad daily I still have a laptop for core work even if I don't use it every day anymore. My wife, though, she's given up on her laptop entirely in favor of an iPad with a keyboard cover. And that, if nothing else, ought to scare the crap out of Redmond.

But that's more than enough about the iPad. Remember the Surface Pro? I'm here to talk about the Surface Pro. (Sorry, Arlo.)

*** Non-iPad readers, here's where you come in.

I like what I see in the Pro a whole lot ... but I cannot imagine buying one, and I bet that very few people here will be willing to either, and it's a foregone conclusion that it's going to do poorly in the market as a whole.

What is the value proposition of a Surface Pro versus a $700 ultrabook? A little more portability, sure, but smaller screen, relatively lousy (and *very* expensive) keyboard (no matter if it's touch or type variant), a lot less RAM (below what I think of as the bare minimum for Windows), and a lot less storage. Do you really want to pay a premium to do work on that?

Even the base model is priced right out of the consumer market even if it were any good at playing games (it's not), and if you're buying it for business it's very difficult to see what justifies spending that much money for that little umpf.

For that matter, in my mind you can't lop off a bunch of the hardware and sell it for hundreds of dollars more (with a hefty surcharge to get some of it back) and expect many customers to come knocking, no matter how pretty it is. Just on general principle I find the price hard to stomach, which is why I never bought an XP or Win7 tablet even though I really wanted them. They pretty much cost twice what the comparable laptop did, and the Surface Pro does not improve on that ratio one iota.

This is before you even get to practical concerns about the amount of storage. But, about that....

Ask yourself this one question: How much space are you using on your existing laptop? I have a 256GB SSD-based laptop, and I had to hem and haw over whether or not to spring for a 512GB model because 256GB is pretty tight, and I don't even have any media stuff on it, only productivity. I'd have to dump a hell of a lot to squeeze my working software set down to fit in a 64GB machine. I haven't had a drive that small on a laptop since 2006. I bet that's true of a lot of you.

And that's the thing: If this is really a full-featured Windows machine, it's going to get used like full-featured Windows machines, and that means 64GB of storage is microscopic in today's terms, even if Windows weren't eating up two thirds of it. I'd want 256GB or more, thanks. And if I'm not keen on spending $900 for one of these things, $1200 or so would be right out. (And that's still before the whopping $100+ for the mandatory-if-you-really-plan-to-do-anything-with-it keyboard.)

Either these things are really full-featured and can replace a laptop, which is doubtful given the storage and RAM options if you ask me, or they are stupid expensive companion devices. When we've got Paul complaining about the $900 top-of-the-line iPad as being too expensive, that's *entry level* for a Surface Pro. It ain't priced as a companion, it's priced as a laptop.

I'm sure they'll sell a few million of them just on cool factor, but they're not going to sell tens of millions of them unless the price comes down a lot. Many people think that will happen. I don't, because the hardware you need to run full-blown Windows just plain costs a lot more than ARM running a phone-based OS. Microsoft doesn't think it will come down much any time soon either or they wouldn't have bothered with WinRT. (Which I don't think is particularly overpriced, but is unfortunately useless given the software situation so it's moot.)

So, what should Microsoft do about it? Some people think they should sell them at a loss to build market. That also hurts the OEMs, though, and can get them in hot water with the government again, and they're already having to shift revenue around to cover for the fact that tablets have ripped a hole in their Windows+Office revenue that is getting bigger with every passing year. If prices are going to come down appreciably, Intel has to do it, and as we saw with ultrabooks they're loathe to cut chip prices all that much, so don't expect a lot of help there any time soon.

I don't have any good answers for Microsoft; if anything, WinRT was the right product, it was just years too late, and ineptly marketed. Using the Windows name but not being able to run Windows software was beyond stupid; once word inevitably got out it wasn't Windows, you both wreck the chances it could ever sell itself and tarnish the Windows name. I know why they did it, but it backfired, and it's not like people didn't tell them it was stupid long before it shipped.

Maybe they should have kept Courier. At least that would have made it to market at about the same time as the iPad. Water under the bridge now, unfortunately.

So, anyway, that Pro. Way, way too expensive given both Windows laptops and iPads as competition. Good luck selling them, Microsoft, you're going to need it.

Jago
on Feb 1, 2013

Yep.... I pretty much agree with everything you say here, and it think a lot of it comes down to the whole ridiculous "no compromises" collection of compromises that Microsoft has decided on.

Regardless of your opinion of the iPad and its usefulness it seems pretty clear that not putting OS X on it was the right choice. Microsoftby choosing to put Windows everywhere has created a confusing set of compromises.

We now have desktop PCs running software that seems tailored for touch, and portable lightweight Surface RT's that are encumbered with a desktop mode and an Office suite designed for a mouse.

With the Surface Pro's like you said, they are essentially slightly redesigned Ultrabooks but without the storage space to be used as a desktop replacement. Because of the way they are marketed they appear to be competing with the iPad as well, but don't seem to fare well against any of the iPads strengths....

I really don't see how MS is going to succeed against the iPad with either Surface device, but its also hard to see what other options they have now....

hometoy
on Jan 31, 2013

What keeps coming to mind is that Windows 8 Pro is to compete with things like the Macbook Air and the Windows RT is to compete with the iPad. To jumble them up gives credit where credit is not due.

The iPad will be limited to the mobile apps that it currently has available while Windows 8 Pro is supposed to be able to run Windows 7 compatible programs as well. This opens up a huge market of powerful apps the iPad cannot touch.

Chromebooks (I have a Cr-48) are very different beasts.

milky_cereal
on Jan 31, 2013

I just saw today pricing on the new series of Dell tablets. While they aren't bargain basement, they are giving you the base model starting at $479, running Windows 8. The space on the SSD is limited and I'm not sure about the vintage of the Atom, but it is a little bit of decent pricing news for what is a fully functional Windows computer.

cgarison
on Jan 31, 2013

Sorry Microsoft and Apple, but the Surface RT, the Surface Pro, and iPad are all just too expensive. I have a 32GB Asus TF200 with a 64GB microSD card that cost me $325 (prox) and it suits me well. It has more than enough storage for podcasts and my music library.

As far as a device for computing, I would much rather go with a notebook that has the power to perform the tasks that I want so I would grab a Lenovo T430 before I would consider a Surface Pro. If I need something more portable, the T430s is only a few ounces heavier than MacBook Air and it has a 14" screen, but the T430s does sacrafice a bit of CPU power (2 cores/4 threads on the Core i7) when compared to the heaver T430.

Max
on Feb 1, 2013

While I completely agree with Paul that Apple should have gone for a 32 GB-64 GB-128 GB iPad line-up (there is a reason Apple is as profitable as it is), I strongly disagree with his comparison of the storage offered by iPads vs. the Surface Pro. I think it's completely fair to remark that a 64 GB Surfrace Pro has significantly less storage available to the user than a 32 GB iPad. Yet 64 GB > 32 GB is certainly an item in the many checkbox comparisons between these products. Suggesting to add the space taken up by the recovery partition is also not good advice, there is a good reason you have a recovery partition.

Also, I don't think the iPad's retina display makes all downloads a lot bigger. Text (which is rendered much more nicely on a retina display) takes up exactly the same amount as do, say, photos which you view. You only pay a hefty retina resolution penalty for things like games.

BrownieBoy
on Feb 6, 2013

So, let's say you just bought a house with 5 bedrooms.

Right after you've signed the deal, the seller informs you that 3 of those bedrooms will be off limits to you because he's still got a lot if his own stuff stored there and what's more, he intends to keep it there indefinitely.

You quite naturally complain about this. "It's okay" says the seller. "You have no kids so what do you need 5 bedrooms for anyway? Surely, 2 is enough for you?. Plus, we hear that you like to travel a lot, jetting off to this and that country, yeah? So if you're up there in the clouds then you're going to notice those three off-limits bedrooms even less."

But just because he likes you, here's what he'll do. If you're prepared to put in a bit of work for him, he'll remove his stuff from one room, but only one mind, so leaving you with three whole rooms for yourself. Now, isn't that a deal?

If you think that it is, and that you haven't just been a) ripped off and b) patronised to the death into the bargain then congratulations! We've got a Windows tablet that you might be interested in...

studio4llc
on Feb 17, 2013

Using an 8Gb flash drive, I'm sitting here on Sunday morning "trying" to create a USB recovery drive on a Surface Pro. 45 minutes into this process and it is hung up for what seems to be eternity on that last little sliver on the progress bar... trouble in Paradise?

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