About the Zune update, today's Apple news

So I'm in Redmond this week, as you may know. Yesterday, Microsoft was forced to prematurely announce the details of its upcoming Zune 3 platform when Fry's Electronics leaked details about the new devices and software features. (And here's that hi-res shot I was looking for.) To be clear, that is exactly what happened: Microsoft wasn't trying to "spoil" today's Apple event, at which the Cupertino company is expected to announce new iPods and a new version of iTunes. In fact, it's pretty obvious that Microsoft would have preferred to announce their new Zune wares after Apple.

Anyhoo. As ZDNet's Sam Diaz notes, today is a big day for Apple. Their event starts at 10:00 am PST. At that time, pretty precisely, I'll be talking to someone from the Zune team at the Microsoft campus. (They had Zune MVPs through campus yesterday.) It's a weird bit of timing, the Apple event and the meeting, that is, and not something I'd normally mention beforehand, but the cat is pretty much out of the bag on Zune 3, so there you go.

Regarding Apple's big day, it's pretty clear from the rumors that there's not much planned, from a product standpoint, and I see this as just another example of how the iPod market is maturing. NYT's always-excellent blogger, Saul Hansell, put it this way this morning:

Expect a lot of socks at Apple’s event Tuesday. iPod Socks are the sort of brand building fluff that Apple talks about when it isn’t changing the fate of humanity.

What an excellent way to put it. But I think the reason this is indeed a big day for Apple is, frankly, Steve Jobs. People are curious about the guy's health, and for good reason. And while Apple's penchant for secrecy may work wonders for product launches, it's not doing much to overcome investor fears about Jobs. If he looks OK today, at least one analyst has predicted that Apple's stock will skyrocket. Fair enough.

I can't wait to see what Apple announces, though I'm worried it won't be all that exciting. And I'm very curious to talk with the Zune folks about their underrated platform.

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tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
@Ocean - Since Mike is obviously skirting your question, I will answer...No...you can only buy tracks from the Zune service automatically. Not that you can't buy it from Amazon and play it on a Zune...but it will not be automatic. Zune only integrates with the Zune Marketplace. I think that you are starting to irritate me less than Mike...or Mike is starting to irritate me more than you...one or the other. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 9, 2008
tayme I know that XM doesn't own their licensees but I'm under the impression that they own the receiver circuit design and that the licensees effectively build their products around XM designed radio circuitry. I may be wrong and if so, I'd love to find out. It's not an area I've worked in.
tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
Still unable to say that MS DID NOT innovate this, huh...Go figure. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 9, 2008
tayme What part of "Zune is closed (for people who like a simple, totally integrated model - like iPod/iTunes)" is skirting the issue? (Now said 3 times)
tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
Your inability to never answer a question directly amazes me. That is called skirting the issue in my book. --tayme
tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
See...Here is how you do it...my sentence above is WRONG...It is your ability to never answer a question directly that amazes me. --tayme
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 9, 2008
tayme What part of "sending proprietary data over a proprietary data pipe where you own both ends is different than working with existing data on a public network with thousands of data points you don't control" are you unable to get? XM innovated. Bose innovated (from a different thread) Microsoft innovated. . Deal with it.
tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
@mikegalos - I believe it was you who said that the evolution of an existing technology is not innovation. Maybe I am wrong...but I think that is what we have here. --tayme
Dipsh t Admin
on Sep 9, 2008
"Bose innovated" You mean Blose? About the only innovation that they do these days is in advertising.
SPiotr
on Sep 9, 2008
@tayme Cumon mate, leave it out! Mike is 'always right'. Paul is impartial and Steve Jobs is a liar. He really is dead!
shark47
on Sep 9, 2008
SPiotr, you're right on one of the three points. Mike is not always right and Paul is not always impartial. tayme, seriously, what exactly do you want from mike? Like everybody here, he is opinionated and like most posters, does not easily change his opinions.
tayme
on Sep 9, 2008
Most are opinionated...but most don't continually move the target to avoid admitting they are wrong. Mike has done that since the day he started posting. Its like when the Fonz had to say "I'm sorry". --tayme
shark47
on Sep 9, 2008
tayme, I think ocean's questions deserve those responses. I have a feeling he does this intentionally (unless he tells me otherwise).
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 9, 2008
tayme Since you bothered to look up a posting that's a few weeks old now, perhaps you should have read enough to get the context. The " evolution of an existing technology is not innovation" was specifically about what would and wouldn't be put into a list a couple of us were putting together. We didn't want every minor thing listed or it would have gotten out of hand and been unworkable and wanted to agree ahead of time so we wouldn't waste time going in different directions. You can, absolutely, innovate by evolving products. My only restriction on that would be that you only deserve credit for the new parts and not for the entire stack back through history. For example, the modern optical mouse is clearly an innovation. The engineering team at Hewlett Packard should get the huge credit for the camera, light and DSP design that made it work and for the idea of using a camera that would work on various surfaces. That doesn't mean they should get credit for inventing the mouse or for creating the concept of a mouse that worked by reflecting light rather than moving wheels or a ball because both of those had been around before.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>@Ocean - Since Mike is obviously skirting your question, I will answer...No...you can only buy tracks from the Zune service automatically.<< Thanks! Too bad they didn't make it consumer friendly and set it up to let me make a purchase from ANY music store. The nerve of them using their technology to make money for themselves!

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