Apple Tax 2.0

With Macworld opening tomorrow, Microsoft has begun discussing the “Apple Tax” again. The company last brought up this concept in October, just before Apple released more-expensive-than-the-previous-version MacBook and MacBook Pro models, which was good timing. And indeed, my initial take on this was that Microsoft was on to something. I wrote about this in a WinInfo article back in October.

Now, a few months later, Microsoft is again discussing the Apple Tax. And while I know a significant number of people will simply take offense to this for whatever reason, I feel even more strongly than before that Microsoft is right. Here’s an article going out in WinInfo tomorrow:

On Eve of Macworld, Microsoft Again Highlights 'Apple Tax'

With the economy in freefall, Microsoft this week continued its discussion of the "Apple Tax," what it says are the additional costs associated with using the Mac platform instead of a Windows-based PC. According to the company, the severity of the Apple Tax has only gotten worse in the past few months, as Apple has released expensive new Macs despite ever-worsening economic conditions. The discussion is occurring the day before Apple opens its Macworld trade show in San Francisco.

"Windows is more compatible than the Mac, but it's also more compatible with today's budgets," Microsoft Corporate Vice President of Windows Consumer Marketing Brad Brooks told me in a briefing on Monday. "Around the globe, people need to balance the interests they have with the realities of the economy. Windows PCs are a better value than Macs, and that's true at every price point."

Microsoft first began discussing the Apple Tax concept in October, just before Apple shipped new Macbook notebook computers that were even more expensive than their predecessors, a curious move given the economy. At the time, much of the discuss was around the cost of switching, comparisons of Macs and PCs at different price points, and the lack of innovative new hardware features. These issues continue to this day, Brooks pointed out. But the problem is exacerbated by the value of Windows, Apple's continued insistence on only serving the high end of the market, and the design aesthetics of Apple hardware, which limits choice.

"Apple fans like to say that the company is like the BMW of the PC world," Brooks said. "Fair enough. But we're Toyota, and we have the Corolla on the low-end and Lexus on the high-end. And both offer tremendous value across the board."

"Microsoft has been delivering low cost technology to the masses for over 30 years," he continued. "And we're going to push this concept of 'Life Without Walls' going forward and explain to people the value they get when they run Windows on the PC, on the Internet, and on their phones." Brooks noted that the upcoming Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas was an obvious time for make this renewed push for Windows, including Windows Vista and 7 on the PC, Windows Live on the Internet, and Windows Mobile on phones.

"Look, the Apple Tax gap is widening, not shrinking," Brooks said. "And it plays out in so many different ways. There is the upfront cost of the machines, the lack of technology innovation, the compatibility of the devices, the lack of form factor choices, and so much more. The gap has never been greater." Brooks said that Apple machines were luxury items while PCs happy straddle the gap between utility and luxury. "You can get even more technology in Windows at the same price point than you can with a Mac than you could as recently as October," he added.

Brooks hinted that PC users should stay tuned to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's CES keynote address on Wednesday evening. "Let's just say it's going to be an interesting talk," he told me.

And, for completeness sake, some Microsoft charts highlighting some examples of the Apple Tax. Enjoy.

Discuss this Article 184

Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
"....or is he taking a tip from you and turning UAC off?" Nope, I think anyone that turns off UAC is a total and utter fool, its the single best improvement in Vista. Something OS X and Linux have had for a long time. He was running an AV package that turnes off defender. It was up to date. I have no idea how he got it. He is a Lawyer and he maybe has 5 applications in total on that PC he uses to do his job.
Dipsh t Admin
on Jan 6, 2009
"Apple does not lie." That's the funnies thing I've read in a while. Thanks for the laugh. Seriously, if you think that Apple or any other company is some altruistic, wonderful entity that can be completely trusted, well, that's just plain dumb. And whatever happened to you not posting anymore? I guess you lied... robertsjoe, see you at 3 PM. I'll have the popcorn ready.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
@Doc: The ATI 2400 isn't that impressive. I would hardly call it "quality". If there was a GMA X4500HD in the comparison, I'd rather take the Intel GMA over the ATI.
lotsamystuff
on Jan 6, 2009
"Wow, that must have stung. The trolls are out enmass [sic] today." It's not "trolling" to comment on the actual topic of the blog. Jackass. @Microsoft: ""Windows is more compatible than the Mac..." Point of clarification: "Windows" is software. "The Mac" is hardware that runs software...including Windows. So this statement is simply not true. In fact, since "The Mac" is compatible with multiple operating systems, it is "The Mac" that is "more compatible" than Windows. ""Around the globe, people need to balance the interests they have with the realities of the economy." How nice of Microsoft to be thinking of "the realities of the economy". What's next? A press release suggesting we all buy cheap generic food? Buy used cars instead of new? Perhaps we could put a chart together of "MonkeyBoy Ballmer's PennyPinching Tips". This is marketing at its worst. A comparison spreadsheet? In 2009? How far Microsoft has fallen. Sad.
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
"Is it a 'tax' if the users pay it willingly?" There goes Ocean...using Paul's blog to try to gain attention for himself. Only this time, he stole the headline from Mary Jo Foley. --tayme
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"This is marketing at its worst. A comparison spreadsheet? In 2009? How far Microsoft has fallen. Sad." At least they're not doing "Get a Mac" ads. Those are just sad.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"He was running an AV package that turnes off defender. It was up to date. I have no idea how he got it." Sad that your friends can't trust you to run their IT department.
Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
"At least they're not doing "Get a Mac" ads. Those are just sad" I would tend to agree, but so far, they seem to be working which in end is the point of the ad. How are those Bill and Jerry ads working out???
Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
"Sad that your friends can't trust you to run their IT department." I dont take care of it for him/them. Its a small law firm and they have a company that takes care of their IT, he had put in a call to them and had no response yet so asked me and I removed it for him.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"Its a small law firm and they have a company that takes care of their IT, he had put in a call to them and had no response yet so asked me and I removed it for him." *golf clap* for your effort anyway.
DRWAM
on Jan 6, 2009
Wae, that may be true, but that ATI on the the iMac is much better than the on board, shared,GMA 3100 shown in the MS chart, which is the point, and the HP Touchsmart is at the same price point. However, Mac fans and MS fans alike, better PRAY that the Obama administration uses MS Amalga to digitize the US healthcare system, rather than a more expensive, less compatible third party solution that will gouge the US for money. MS Amalga will reduce costly duplication of services and corespondence as well as significantly reduce medical errors [most of which are NOT made by doctors, BTW].
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"ATI on the the iMac is much better than the on board, shared,GMA 3100 shown in the MS chart" The Radeon 2400? That's a bit of hyperbole really.
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
OK - In reality it goes someting like this. I have seen it thousands of times. - Joe Home User decides it is time for a new computer. - If Joe has a tech savvy friend, Joe probably calls them for advice. - Tech Savvy, if worth anything, asks a few questions. - What do you use your computer for? - What do you own right now for a computer? - How much can you afford to spend right now? - Do you have a monitor, keyboard, printer, etc. to connect? - Do you own any software licenses that you want to install on the new computer? - Do you have high speed internet? (Yes, there are still a lot of people in the US that don't) Based on the answers to those questions and maybe a few others, Tech Savvy should be able to make a recommendation that will meet AND even exceed Joe's needs and expectation. That choice may be a Mac, it may be a Dell laptop, it may be a multi CPU workstation running Ubuntu. Anyone that blindly recommends a particular PC and OS is doing nothing but taking advantage of a friend to do what they believe is a favor for either MS or Apple. Stupid, stupid move. --tayme
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
@Doc: Amalga HIS looks interesting. One of the biggest problems is with charting though. End user experiences (and the time it takes for those experiences) on digital charting is just terrible today. I'd like to see how HIS addresses that.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"How much can you afford to spend right now?" I usually put that at the bottom of the list and replace that spot for "What would you like to use your *new* computer for?" or "Why are you interested in buying a new computer?" (if I don't already know the answer). Some people can't do what they want with their existing computer, so I think it's a more important question to ask. Setting unrealistic price points for a particular computer usage leaves the customer open to disappointment in the end. I have to deal with this many times a day. ex 1). You can't (realistically) believe a $500 system will be good for Photoshop CS4. ex 2) You can't (realistically) believe a $399 laptop will acceptably play Crysis. (Sorry, Doc) ex 3) You can't (realistically) believe that you need a $1500 Core i7 system with a GeForce 9800 GTX for surfing the web, listening to music, and just managing photos. ex 4) You can't buy a Ferrari for the price of a Civic. Likewise, how practical is it to drive a Ferrari to a blue-collar jobsite every day? That aside, sometimes people have particular computer system specs in mind. If they've made up their mind that they want a $3000 computer and they want to buy from me, who am I to argue?!
Ocean
on Jan 6, 2009
Why is Tayme obsessed with me? Even in a thread where I don't say anything, he continues to talk about me, and not technology.
DRWAM
on Jan 6, 2009
It's going to be a challenge Wae, but I have seen some good solutions from Siemens and GE. But they are very expensive and difficult to fully customize [the picky desires of doctors]. Amalga just seems more scalable as well as good integration qualities, and less expensive. When finished, I know that I would rather get MS support when needed, than GE or Siemens. When GE or Siemens has a problem that they cannot fix, they call MS!!! Maybe I'll be talking to Mikey some day on the phone! But all joking aside, I really think that we need a bigger software company like MS to solve our digital needs. My 3 hospital system is or claims to be using it in the future, but is not listed as a site at the Amalga page. Maybe soon. But I just love the MS video conferencing solutions so that I can stay at home for a meeting...and even use a Mac! MS makes stuff and makes it Mac compatible too! Bless their hearts.;)
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
@Doc: I have to wonder about the reason to include an ATI graphics card in an iMac. After all, johnpapola says that "Core Animation works fine on the [piss-poor] G4 Mac onboard video". Since games are pretty much a joke on Mac's, why would anyone need to pay extra for an ATI part that they don't use? Anyone? Sorry I can't hear a plausible line of reasoning over the crickets. Apple Tax indeed.
Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
Wow Waethorn, for once I completely agree with you last post. I would be that the majority of users fit into.....ex 3 for their needs "surfing the web, listening to music, and just managing photos"
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Waethorn - Very good points...I did not order those questions properly and your additional questions and examples are right on spot. This is what a site like this should be used for. Not some petty and imagined OS war. Next question for you though, if Joe had his mind set on a Mac, and it would do everything that he wanted, would you be equally obliged to say "Who am I to argue?" If not, then you are disingenuous in your response. --tayme
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"I would bet that the majority of users fit into....." When you start figuring out user preferences by percentages, you begin to show the signs of "salesman-suckitude", both from customer relations standpoint and well as with sales revenues. Asking people what they want is better. Everybody is different in their computing wants/needs. Nobody fits into a cookie-cutter solution.
Ocean
on Jan 6, 2009
>>But once again, the e-mail I got from a Microsoft representative takes a heavy-handed approach to making this perfectly valid point. “Apple continues to impose the Apple tax” was the subject line, a notion repeated in a statement within the message so important it’s in boldface: They continue to impose the Apple Tax on consumers even in the midst of a very challenging recession.” What’s with the “impose?” What makes it a “tax?” Apple isn’t the Sheriff of Nottingham, and it can’t impose anything on anyone. (As Microsoft’s own e-mail points out, the world is bursting at the seams with other choices, most of which cost less than Macs.) All it can do is try to convince consumers that the products it sells are worth the money. If it can’t do that, it’ll eventually go out of business. (Hey, it almost did in the mid-1990s.) Reasonable people can and do disagree on whether Macs are good values, but every purchase of one represents a willful decision by a person to spend money. That’s more of an investment–sensible or not–than a tax. Then there’s the fact that computers with Mac-like features and Mac-like price premiums exist in the Windows world, too–most obviously in the form of Sony’s classier VAIOs. With computers as with most things in life, you’ll probably pay extra for fancier materials and more stylish design. But Microsoft isn’t about to start talking about a Sony tax or a VooDoo tax.<< http://technologizer.com/2009/01/06/two-things-about-the-apple-tax-it-do...
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"if Joe had his mind set on a Mac, and it would do everything that he wanted, would you be equally obliged to say "Who am I to argue?"" Then he either wouldn't be in my store, or would like a second opinion. As I said, "if someone wanted to buy from me".... Obviously when someone comes in to my store, they aren't looking for a Mac - they're looking for a PC instead. I'd, for the moment, forget that they wanted a Mac and still go through the same recommendation process and recommend one of my own (since I don't sell Mac's). And no, that's not being disingenuous.
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Waethorn - As you said above...that is "salesman-suckitude". Take off the sales hat for a while and imagine that Joe did not come into your store...he's just a buddy that while sitting at a bar enjoying a few pints with you and a group of others asks your advice and tells you that he really wants a Mac AND that Mac meets every one of his needs, just as well as a Windows based PC. What would you do? --tayme
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
@tayme: If I changed ex3 to a $1500 iMac, you'd probably be up in arms.
shark47
on Jan 6, 2009
"...he's just a buddy that while sitting at a bar enjoying a few pints with you and a group of others asks your advice and tells you that he really wants a Mac AND that Mac meets every one of his needs, just as well as a Windows based PC. What would you do?" Tie him to a pole outside the bar and leave him there until he comes to his senses.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"imagine that Joe did not come into your store...he's just a buddy that while sitting at a bar enjoying a few pints with you and a group of others asks your advice and tells you that he really wants a Mac AND that Mac meets every one of his needs, just as well as a Windows based PC. What would you do?" 1) I'd say that if you were comparing a Windows PC vs. a Mac, that one of my Windows PC's is going to be cheaper. Who would honestly spend more money on an equivalent product as exampled by your comment (See my pricing examples above - does the Mac Mini at $599 for a Core [1] Duo and DVD Combo & 80GB hard drive honestly represent a good value proposition in your opinion?). 2) I don't drink, so that scenario doesn't happen. 3) My buddy's already buy from me, so that's not a problem.
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
@sharky: :) @tayme: Through the slurred speech and having to pick him up of the floor, I'd dismiss his disjointed expression as a result of him having had one too many.
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Waethorn - Actually, you are wrong. I have suggested Macs and Windows PCs alike to friends/family. In fact, I suggest the same $400 laptop that DRWAM has to my sister and she loves it. Once I set it up for her, I have not heard anything from her. Vista is solid and safe. I enjoy using it...especially Media Center and Zune. And now, I am learning WinMO, and have already come to enjoy it way more than I would an iPhone. But, I like using the Macs that I have as well. I guess I don't fit into the mold that you, mikegalos, Ocean, and robertsjoe all equally adhere to - "You're either with us or against us." It is only the "us" that is different. --tayme
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Sharky - "Tie him to a pole outside the bar and leave him there until he comes to his senses." But, would you let him take a pint or 2 with him? --tayme
Waethorn
on Jan 6, 2009
"Mac Mini at $599 for a Core [1] Duo" My bad. It is a Core 2 Duo. Not that I really pay attention to them much. They still aren't worthwhile.
lotsamystuff
on Jan 6, 2009
"What would you do?" tayme: You're asking that question of a person who admits that he trolls Apple stores looking for customers. Wae is a self-serving partisan of the highest order. He's in business to make money, and there's nothing wrong with that. But expecting him to be objective is just silly.
DRWAM
on Jan 6, 2009
I upgrade the vid card in my Mac Pro Tower just in case I wanted to play games or play games when booting in Vista too. So one answer for a better vid card in a Mac would be to play games with Windows:) One of my partners went to the Mac store two weeks ago and just bought the most upgraded Tower that they had to offer. He said that since it was a business write-off, it was like getting 40% off [using pre-tax money]. The funny thing was that he was trying to connect to his wireless home network and could not. He called a 'Genius' at the Apple store and was told 'all Pro's have wireless built in'. He tried unsuccessfully again, and even went back to the Apple store and asked again, receiving the same response. Then looked on line and found that while MacBooks all have wireless, wireless [Airport] cards are optional on Mac Pro Towers, unlike what he was told by TWO 'Geniuses' in the Apple Store. Real genius. They don't even know their own products.
Avro
on Jan 6, 2009
@tayme What if the Mac met his needs better? I really enjoy this blog and Windows Weekly, but Paul is not at his best when he criticises Apple. The Mac Pro comparison is way off base. Paul has compared a consumer oriented Dell with a Mac designed for Pros. The Mac Pro here in England will set you about £2,000 while the equivalent Dell Precision T7400 costs in the area of £3,000 and the same is true of the HP equivalent - the Mac Pro comes in at £1,000 ($1,500) cheaper.. A friend who is a reseller of both HP and Macs in New Zealand has told me that the Mac Pro is the one Apple product that is simply better priced than the Windows equivalent. When Operating Systems work I find there is very little difference in quality between OS X and Windows although I find the Windows UI convoluted. For what I do the software is better on the Mac, but for me the real killer feature is dependability and support. Like many Mac using professionals I have to work odd hours with not a lot in the way of technical support. I may get a call at 10 pm to produce a presentation incorporating late breaking issues for 8am. I need something with close to 100% reliability and the Mac Pro gives me that. I would call that the Apple advantage. In most cases (not in mine) you pay a bit more for a Mac, but the support tends to be a lot better. The power supply went down on my Dell laptop - two weeks for a replacement to arrive. On the MacBook the dog ate the power supply and we had a new replacement, at no cost to us, within 3 hours. AppleCare is superb and other than our 1st Gen MacBook (we have 5 Macs) we have seldom had to use it, but they have helped us out with our old Power Mac even after the 3 year warranty has expired. This impresses the customer. On the odd occasion where we have needed to fix a Mac, it has been done so under AppleCare within 48 hours and we have been very satisfied. Contrast that experience with my Mum (retired and living in Canada) who in 2006 bought a Dell tower at the urging of my Windows using chartered accountant brother (He even looks like PC Guy) - I was doing my bit for Queen and country in Afghanistan at the time. Dell's support has been horrid and the thing has never worked properly. Frequent service calls at up to $200 a time have not improved the situation. Who on earth knows how to fix a Windows machine? AFAIK anyone can hang out a shingle, charge $100 for a look see and then have a go for another $100, but nothing ever gets fixed in the end. Who is to blame? Microsoft? Dell? Some component maker? 3rd Party software? In the end the consumer does not care, he just wants something that works. As far as the 'Get a Mac' adverts go, they are not lies, but a compilation of common Windows problems that are somewhat exaggerated. All of us know Windows Users who have had these problems and what they do is remind those who are on the point of buying a new computer about their existence. The adverts are aimed at Windows Users not Mac Users and they have been very successful. What the potential buyer goes away with is 'If I buy Windows I am going to have loads of problems' and the guys moaning about Vista at the water cooler at work will only reinforce this. I am not saying these problems are a true reflection of what will happen if they buy another Windows computer, but it has been very effective marketing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_Mac Windows is a good OS as is OS X, but Microsoft gets let down time after time by the OEMs, component makers and 3rd Party software houses. Dell spends millions not trying to build better computers.... but cheaper ones. HP and Sony put far too much cr*pware on their computers. This year for academic reasons I have had to use Windows XP on my Mac Pro a lot and it ran very well, not as stable as OS X but almost as good. On my Dell the experience was so bad that I replaced it with Ubuntu. Microsoft always gets the blame when Windows has problems. I think the source lies elsewhere, with the OEMs, cheap components and badly written 3rd party software. My experience with XP on my Macs has been very good, much better than I had with any of 4 OEM laptops I have had in the past. Windows on a good computer can give you a good experience, but good does not come cheap. I would say it Apple experience is like putting a BMW engine into a BMW car while the Windows and Linux one is like dropping the engine into whatever is on hand. If it is a good car built with fine components and tested you might well get a good experience, but if it is not you could have a nightmare. I can't risk it and life is too short. And if any of the Windows fans here knows a good computer repair option in Canada, please send me a PM.
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Waethorn - "1) I'd say that if you were comparing a Windows PC vs. a Mac, that one of my Windows PC's is going to be cheaper. Who would honestly spend more money on an equivalent product as exampled by your comment (See my pricing examples above - does the Mac Mini at $599 for a Core [1] Duo and DVD Combo & 80GB hard drive honestly represent a good value proposition in your opinion?)." But above you said "That aside, sometimes people have particular computer system specs in mind." Why is it different if those system specs include OS X? I think that it is obvious to everybody here that I am not a mac zealot...but, I am also not wearing blinders the other way. We'll never agree...and that is ok...I jsut wanted to run it past you. I would like to ask robertsjoe and Ocean to answer the same questions...so, come on guys...what would it be for you? What if a buddy came to you with this scenario and had thier mind set on a Vista based PC? How would you respond? --tayme
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@DRWAM - "...unlike what he was told by TWO 'Geniuses' in the Apple Store. Real genius. They don't even know their own products." That is a well known issue with the "geniuses". They are nothing more than Apple evangelists. More often than not, they are there to upsale the customers that walk in looking for assistance with a problem. --tayme
tayme
on Jan 6, 2009
@Avro - Very well said...I tend to agree with you on most points. I do disagree with you on the Get A Mac ads...there are many lies, or at least non-truths, that have been put forth in them. I am sure that Waethorn will offer up his services...depending on where in Canada you Mother is. I think that he is probably pretty good at what he does... --tayme
KWRussell
on Jan 6, 2009
Cost is objective. Value is subjective. Microsoft's entire "Apple tax" argument is based on those two concepts being interchangeable, when they clearly aren't.
DarkSages
on Jan 6, 2009
One more problem with Apple is support for their own software.
DRWAM
on Jan 6, 2009
AVRO, I think that the chart was from MS, not Paul. hat's why I pot the smiley after 'liar' to imply that MS lies too, although this was not in an ad shown world wide, and probably for internal purposes, which means that they really were not lying to the public. Hence, the smiley wink.
Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
Out of curiosity, since I dont really watch the Apple ads what "lies" are being told? From what little I have seen I would tend to agree with Avro "but a compilation of common Windows problems that are somewhat exaggerated". Again I have not seen many, especially after I went to Avro's link and saw how many there were. The last non iPod/iPhone add I saw was the one with the advertising money on the table. Which I assume was in response to Microsoft publicly stating they were adding more money to their advertising budget partly in response to counter the get a Mac adds. Why or how is that add a "lie"?
shark47
on Jan 6, 2009
"Cost is objective. Value is subjective. Microsoft's entire "Apple tax" argument is based on those two concepts being interchangeable, when they clearly aren't." Good point. I don't think Microsoft should've done this. The whole concept of 'Apple Tax', the way Microsoft has presented it is, in my opinion, silly. Guess what Apple's ads do, though? They exaggerate problems with low-end PCs to sell luxury goods. It's the same concept, but somehow it's more acceptable when Apple does it.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 6, 2009
"Cost is objective.Value is subjective." And P.T. Barnum smiles from beyond the grave.
shark47
on Jan 6, 2009
" Which I assume was in response to Microsoft publicly stating they were adding more money to their advertising budget partly in response to counter the get a Mac adds. Why or how is that add a "lie"?" Well, do the people at Apple's ad agency know how MS operates? Are they sure that the $300 mn used for advertising was from their budget to fix Vista's problems? Do they know for sure that Microsoft, instead of fixing Vista, spent money on advertising? Are they certain that Microsoft didn't dedicate resources to making Vista better? If the answers to the above questions were "Yes", then you're right. Apple wasn't lying.
johnpapola
on Jan 6, 2009
@mike, What is it with you and P.T. Barnum? Is this some kind of socialist dig at a firm's right to price their products at whatever the market will bare? I don't get it. If Apple's prices are "too high" it will manifest in reduced sales and lost share. If they don't adapt to those price signals, they will ultimately go out of business. But clearly they are responsive to the price signal, as evidenced by the ongoing iPod and iPhone price reductions.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 6, 2009
john I'm sure Barnum's customers got offended by people laughing at them on their way past viewing the "Great Egress", too. But why do you think that's Socialist?
Lindy
on Jan 6, 2009
@Shark I would say NO, they dont know for sure. However its not like they stated as a fact, especially when you consider the take on all of it is from a standpoint of jest/humor. They took the fact that Vista at one time had problems, which any sane person would agree, especially since MS themselves said so in internal emails that are now public. Then they took the fact that MS was spending more on advertising, specifically more on Vista (announced by MS themselves/mohave) and wrapped the whole thing in fiction/humor. An outright lie, no, exaggeration of some facts yes.
johnpapola
on Jan 6, 2009
@mike. Maybe I'm overanalyzing. I just so no grounds to pass judgement on Apple's prices in a market as competitive as computers. If they're too high, they'll lose sales. That's the only determination of a price being "too high". But maybe you're not making a economic criticism. Maybe you're just saying that anyone that buys a mac is being duped like those that went to see the circus (as if paying to be entertained is somehow being duped). That's worse, actually, because it's generalizing, insulting and elitist. But whatever. have a great day.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jan 6, 2009
Wow. I'm both a Socialist and an elitist at the same time for the same post. To quote the immortal Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
johnpapola
on Jan 6, 2009
@mike, dude, you're the one comparing mac users to people being scammed by PT barnum.

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