Final Release of Windows XP Mode

Microsoft announced today via its Windows Blog that it has released Windows XP Mode (and presumably, Windows Virtual PC--these guys never explain anything correctly) to manufacturing. The final version will be delivered to customers on October 22, the day of the Windows 7 launch.

We're happy to announce that Windows XP Mode has RTM’d today. We expect to make the final release of Windows XP Mode available via the Microsoft Download Center on October 22nd. OEMs will be able to offer Windows XP Mode on their PCs based on their manufacturing schedules.

Windows XP Mode is designed to provide small business and mid-sized businesses running Windows 7 Professional (or higher) the ability to run Windows XP productivity applications that may not be natively compatible with Windows 7. We expect many Windows XP applications to be compatible Windows 7 however Windows XP Mode is meant to serve as an added safety net so small and mid-sized businesses can migrate and run Windows 7 without any road blocks. Windows 7 Professional is designed to meet the needs of small and mid-sized businesses.

Notice there isn't a single mention of Windows Virtual PC in there. Microsoft? [knock, knock] Anyone home?

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Ocean
on Oct 1, 2009
Hey Paul, I enjoyed your podcast last week with Alex Lindsey. I daresay you click better with him than you do with Leo. And...I too love cilantro. But they say some people lack a genetic thingamadoodle that allows them to enjoy it.
meason
on Oct 1, 2009
I think Microsoft at this point if they could cure cancer could not find a way to say so without tripping over their own feet.
kenmcnamee
on Oct 1, 2009
No early release for MSDN/Technet subscribers?
kenmcnamee
on Oct 1, 2009
No early release for MSDN/Technet subscribers?
teemark
on Oct 1, 2009
I don't think this is going to have as big an impact as they hope. Most of the machines in my organization that would need the XP mode do not have processors that support it. I am guessing most enterprises are in a similar situation.
kenmcnamee
on Oct 1, 2009
Hey, I didn't post twice - stupid website.
kenmcnamee
on Oct 1, 2009
Hey, I didn't post twice - stupid website.
kenmcnamee
on Oct 1, 2009
Grrr
RobertC
on Oct 1, 2009
teemark, the point of XP Mode is to enable corporations to upgrade their computers and software with confidence that they're going to be able to take advantage of Windows 7 features without affecting compatibility of their essential productivity applications.
kadarzsolt
on Oct 1, 2009
@teemark Yes, it is annoying that todays Celerons support VT buy many Core2Duo and even Core2Quad chips do not. Not to mention Dual Core CPUs. There is also a chipset issue, as you cannot upgrade many older MoBos with new CPUs.
EricoF3
on Oct 1, 2009
@teenmark: RobertC is right!
Logjamming
on Oct 1, 2009
@ Kenmcnamee This is a Windows-site. You should not be surprised if it copies.
anonymuos
on Oct 1, 2009
Could never try it as my comp doesn't have processor virtualization.
beaker
on Oct 1, 2009
I thought the podcast was pretty good too with Alex. Although, Alex seemed either nervous or wayyyyyyy caffeinated.
rr0de74@live.com
on Oct 1, 2009
The extra overhead of this feature makes it a "if you have no other choice" option. I could see it being used to finish a Windows 7 migration, only if 1 or two departments had an app that needed to use this. If it was needed on a large scale I bet they would just hold off on Windows 7 at most places.
RobertC
on Oct 1, 2009
rrode74 - I would somewhat agree. It would make no sense to run an old version of photoshop in a virtual machine nor any other graphic-intensive application.
palavering
on Oct 1, 2009
I wonder how many PCs that are currently running XP Enterprise can easily be upgraded to Windows 7 and then have legacy apps run in a virtual machine? It confounds me, but I don't think there are too many PCs of this ilk. Am I wrong?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Oct 1, 2009
palavering The point of XP Mode isn't to let companies run old, obsolete hardware. The point of XP Mode is to let companies run old, obsolete applications that haven't been upgraded in years (Including in-house, corporate, custom apps) on their new computers running new system software.
dcomo
on Oct 1, 2009
I actually had felt that Alex L. was quite out of the loop on topics, rushed the show along (it lacked it's natural flow) and was quite dry... Maybe I'm just used to Leo, however the show was a little painful to listen to.
redunion1940
on Oct 1, 2009
Yeah I don't understand Intels weird virtualization support. I mean look at AMD nearly all of there CPU's support virtualization, All there Dual-cores, tri cores, quad cores support it, and most of there old dual and single cores support it. The only line from AMD I am not sure of is the Sempron line. While with iNtel you get a mish mash of different processors with some supporting, with some not supporting and it all depends if you got a 9000 series Core2Quad vrs a 8000 Core2Quad, and so forth.
gfryesc1
on Oct 1, 2009
I read that part 4 of the neverending Zune review. It's laughable. Really, no one should be using anything that requires points to purchase anything. Thurrott of course glosses that over in the second paragraph. And the toughest he gets with Microsoft is gentle chiding like 'c'mon guys' and 'lame'. Nothing like kid gloves. Can't bring himself to swing the snark-o-matic at Microsoft I suppose. But Paul really loses his edge with reviewing the following separately: Zune Marketplace 
Zune Social 
Zune Pass 
Zune.net 
 That's ridiculous. That's just Microsoft pitching blindly at the wall hoping something sticks. That's how they do that junk, it's totally counterintuitive to how people want content. Why not just make it simple, why do I have to remember 4 different Zune aspects to get the experience? That'll flunk out of the market, seriously, who's going to use that junk? Microsoft employees and Paul's tortured inner family.
Waethorn
on Oct 1, 2009
"with iNtel you get a mish mash of different processors with some supporting, with some not supporting and it all depends if you got a 9000 series Core2Quad vrs a 8000 Core2Quad, and so forth." What's worse is when they release new processor models in old processor model families. Like how does a new T6000 series relate to an obsolete T7000 series, and how does it relate to the original Core 2 Duo family T5000's which were rereleased as a few tray-only (only available in quantities of 1000 for OEM's) T5x50's? How does a Pentium Dual Core factor into the equation, which has a T4000 model number, when the Core Duo's were T2000's. What about the older Pentium Dual Core's which also had the T2000 number system? What's the deal with re-release of T7000's, like the T7x50's? etc. etc. etc. This is what happens when you over organize something. When they tried specifying all of the features via individual digits within a series, it just adds to the confusion. According to one of the product managers with Intel that I talked to recently at a hardware showcase, on the Core iX series processors, Intel plans on having VT on all of the i5's and up. There will be i3, 5, 7, 9's, and each has 3-digit model numbers. Only i3's will be dual-cores, and everything else will be quad. The current slate has it where i7's are the quad-core with HyperThreading, and i9's haven't been announced yet, but the PM suggests that it will be "more than 4 cores" (likely 6 or 8, I'm guessing).
redunion1940
on Oct 1, 2009
Yes the new Intel 6 and AMD 6 cores will be interesting, so i3's are not to have virtualization i5's are quads without HT i7's are quads with HT i9's are Hex's with HT AMDs is two separate lines Sempron: Single Cores Castillio: Phenom II x2 has L3 cache Heka: Phenom II x3 has L3 cache Deneb: Phenom II x4 has L3 cache Then the Athlon II line Athlon x2 no l3 cache Athlon x3 no l3 cache Athlon x4 no l3 cache But hey a quad for under $100 is pretty good Go competition between Intel and AMD
Bruno H
on Oct 1, 2009
About Alex Lindsay… I was shocked when I listened to Windows Weekly. Alex was actually a really nice guy and pretty well balanced to. I listen regularly to MacBreak and have heard Alex and the Mac boys scorn Microsoft and praise Apple every second sentence. But that's about what you have to expect listening to MacBreak. Boy was I shocked when I heard: 1. Alex considered buying a Zune because it had some nice features that the iPod missed 2. Alex revealed that he was angry at Apple for the Google Voice debacle. Both of these topics have been on MacBreak and I can remember Alex scorning the Zune and telling Google that they should suck up an live with it as they are grown ups. How come that windows guys (like Paul here) are not afraid to speak openly about bad things from their favorite products, while the Mac guys obviously have issues with Apple stuff (because they always tell how bad everything was AFTER they get the next big version) but never tell about it. Its like when these guys get together they lose all senses of objectivity and start praising their own thing without thinking twice about informing their listeners about all parts of the Apple world, the god as well as the bad. Big points and hats of for Paul who after all likes to taunt the mindless apple zealots but at least tells us when things at Microsoft doesn't work like they should!
whiplash55
on Oct 1, 2009
Alex and the other Macbreak guys are very fair, you just have to listen for a while to hear it. I heard Alex state once that Leopard was the least stable OS he'd used, although he was talking about running it on a G5 tower. They make fun of MS but most of us do, the true Mac fanboys never criticize Apple and that doesn't apply to Macbreak Weekly crowd.
Waethorn
on Oct 2, 2009
@ru: The Core i3's are supposed to be the new budget chips. The big problem is, Intel has no plans on completely retiring the Celeron and Pentium CPU names, but they should. After they rereleased Pentium dual-core processors (the new ones, not the old Pentium D's) as the standard budget CPU, nobody can put a good word out for the Pentium name anymore.
Waethorn
on Oct 2, 2009
"i9's are Hex's with HT" There hasn't been anything officially said about whether or not the i9's will have HT, but the PM said that Intel is committed to offering HT again, I'm guessing because of pressure from many-core processor technologies that NVIDIA is going to offer to compete with Larrabee.
chuckb84
on Oct 2, 2009
"I read that part 4 of the neverending Zune review. It's laughable. Really, no one should be using anything that requires points to purchase anything. Thurrott of course glosses that over in the second paragraph. And the toughest he gets with Microsoft is gentle chiding like 'c'mon guys' and 'lame'. Nothing like kid gloves. Can't bring himself to swing the snark-o-matic at Microsoft I suppose." Of course. Paul makes his living by being a PR flak echo transponder for Microsoft. Read what he posts here or on "WinInfo". Microsoft products are ALWAYS good, or get gentle criticism, that is actually constructive, because he makes comments about how to fix things. Apple, Google, and any other Microsoft competitor ALWAYS makes crap, they're breaking the law, illegally colluding, doing mind control, anyone who uses their stuff is a "Mac fanatic", etc. But, it is really simple: Paul doesn't make any money off Apple or Google, or anyone but Microsoft. He styles himself as a "Technology Analyst at Penton Media", but his entire income depends on the products and the success of one company, so his output is entirely predictable. The real journalists that he so regularly derides (Mossberg, Pogue, etc) have no such built in bias. (Mossberg, in particular, was once very anti-Mac and changed only when the product improved.) On the Zune: Paul fails to note that you can now rent music on the iPod via Rhapsody. How about that, an app that duplicates the Zune pass. Oh, wait, it has 8 million songs to the Zune's 5 million. And the iPod already has Pandora for free. In his "Definitive Comparison" Paul fails to list the cheapest iPod Touch, since it undercuts the Zune substantially on price. His justification is that including the 8gb Touch would be "like including information about the also out-of-date Zune 16 or 120." Of course, that's BS, since his comparison is about TOUCH SCREEN mp3 players, and the earlier Zunes weren't of that type. The obsolete browser on the Zune doesn't support Flash. Neither does the iPhone, but that was once a HUGE issue on which Paul is now notably silent concerning the Zune. And on and on... This stuff isn't even hypocrisy; it is Paul's very clear sense of his own economic interest. Just don't think that it is ever anything resembling journalism.
lotsamystuff
on Oct 2, 2009
"On the Zune: Paul fails to note that you can now rent music on the iPod via Rhapsody. How about that, an app that duplicates the Zune pass. Oh, wait, it has 8 million songs to the Zune's 5 million. And the iPod already has Pandora for free." Yeah, it's bizarre that Paul continues to ignore that. The Zune pass might be the best reason to buy a Zune, but it's completely negated by the Rhapsody offering, given the feature set of the iPod Touch. So for the uninformed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjGzWS9avmQ
lketchum
on Oct 2, 2009
@chuckb84, www.WINsupersite.com ...and you're stunned Paul covers Microsoft and Windows, where many Windows users also use Apple products like the iPod and iPhone? and he's wrong to point out what he, and perhaps his readers will like/dislike about the products he reviews? Dude, start your own blog and have at it. I mean compete with him and see where it goes. You may win out, or you may end up defeated, or simply add to the options tech users have.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Oct 2, 2009
@lketchum Don't bother. You're dealing with people who hate this site and Paul so much that they think: MacBreak (unlike WinSupersite) is neutral because one time a person on there said something bad about an obsolete Apple product It's unfair to compare two products without including 3rd party add-ons for Apple products while only counting what comes in the Microsoft box Criticism of Microsoft products is actually praise if it is "constructive" And that's just in the last few postings. It's as hopeless a case as trying to tell a Glen Beck fan or Linbaugh "dittohead" that Fox News isn't "Fair and Balanced" as the rest of the English speaking world uses those words.
lketchum
on Oct 2, 2009
@mikegalos@msn.com, "yelling at a rock" may be a simpler way to describe it. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot I don't agree with Paul about - just when I sharply disagree, I write a private message and keep things civil. What I have never been able to understand is why Apple supports feel compelled to carpet bomb Windows centric sites. I mean, I would never dream of rolling over to a Mac centric site and picking a fight. It would be "bad form" to do so. Also, those of use that use and build for Windows are nearly always Apple users, too and have always supported the company's products going back to their very first systems - so all the animus from Apple supporters seems a little weird. One CAN like and dislike aspects about both companies and their products. Paul seems to cover this well and objectively and while it is true that he points out how wildly fanatical some Apple/Mac/iPhone advocates certainly can be, the very kind posts above this one stand as reasons why he is not wrong to do so.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Oct 2, 2009
lketchum Reading the posts in this thread insisting that Paul is hopelessly biased and MacBreak Weekly is oh, so neutral I'm reminded of a guy I knew back in college. He was a Trotskyite Communist but insisted that he was a moderate when it came to politics. He considered Socialists to be right-wingers indistinguishable from Republicans but considered the Stalinists to be to the left of him so he was, by his eyes, a moderate. It all depends, I guess, on where you put that middle bar. With the Mac people here, their bar is set where moderate is "praise anything Apple currently makes, condemn anything Microsoft ever made BUT you may have, on rare occaisions, criticized an out of production Apple product as long as you clearly state the new version fixes the problem you're mentioning"
lketchum
on Oct 2, 2009
@Mikegalos@msn.com Ok, you owe me a new monitor and keyboard... both now drenched in coffee. There have to be some very fragile people out there in the Apple camp. Good thing most of them live in the USA - well protected from the majority of challenges facing most people around the world.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Oct 2, 2009
lketchum Well, if you don't practice safe computing... Perhaps you should look into a Panasonic Toughbook (http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/laptop-computers.asp) if this coffee expulsion problem continues - or at least skip the cream and sugar.
rr0de74@live.com
on Oct 2, 2009
I listen to both podcasts weekly. Paul is like a different person on Windows weekly. He is negative towards Apple but a very cordial way when it applies. He is positive about Apple where it applies. His tone is exactly the same on Microsoft products positive or negative. Leo is and the gang on Macbreak weekly are totally fair. They are negative and positive on Apple. They bashed Apple for not putting a camera in the iTouch like crazy. They also covered the Zune HD. Andy Ihnakto like the Zune HD a lot. Alex said he did as well, especially the Zune pass and wished the iPod had it. All said the lack of apps was a problem. If Paul's tone on the podcast was the same here on his site, he would not gets so much crap from the Apple fangirls that come here. Which makes me think he acts like a 13 year old with his negative Apple comments so he gets page hits.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Oct 2, 2009
rr0de "Leo is and the gang on Macbreak weekly are totally fair." And I think we know where you set your middle bar now.
trieste
on Oct 2, 2009
mikegalos thinks HE is fair and balanced? He retorts, you decide. How about a Windows 7 mode for XP.
Waethorn
on Oct 2, 2009
"How about a Windows 7 mode for XP." Won't work, sorry. The new virtualization stuff requires some new-fangled low-level stuff in Windows 7 that isn't even possible in Windows XP, let alone Vista. If you want to run Windows 7 in Windows XP, I'd suggest Virtual PC 2007 SP1 (with whatever the KB update is to support XP SP3). It is still supported, even if it's not the current version. For free VM tools, I'd certainly recommend that over VirtualBox, which has hideous virtual network support (PXE booting off a WDS server doesn't even work properly on it). Having the VM Additions installed will help with slow performance, but having hardware VT also helps give it that extra boost, although it isn't required. I've tested performance on Virtual PC 2007 on a system with hardware VT and the results peg it at roughly 80% of the speed of the host (ie. averaging 80% of the processing and disk speed compared to what the guest OS would run like if it were installed directly on hardware instead), which isn't that bad considering the hardware is emulated in software. The new version runs a fair bit faster, has the USB support and app presentation virtualization, but both do their job well and without costing anything. .... XP Mode is another thing that Microsoft has to get in gear with and offer OEM preinstallation help for. They STILL HAVE NOT released an OPK to system builders for preinstallation of Windows 7. I have to resort to using Windows Vista preinstallation docs for entering in support information, in conjunction with the Windows Automated Installation Kit (WAIK - the corporate deployment software) and figuring out which instructions apply to me, a system builder, as opposed to a company that's deploying the software for their own use. Of course, there are no system builder packs available in the channel yet because Microsoft hasn't sent them to replication yet (it's still at least a week away just for that). System builders won't be able to release computers early at the current rate. I can expect that people will receive their Windows 7 Upgrade Option packs in the second week of November - the currently estimated ship date - before distributors get any stock of OEMSB packs here in Canada. I'm not holding out any hope that they'll release the OPK for download on the OEMSB site until after they start shipping the 3, 10, and 30 packs that ship with it on disc.
Waethorn
on Oct 2, 2009
O/T, but mentioned before: Don't expect any Core iX CPU's other that the current ones to ship until Q2 of next year. Intel is holding out on the rest of the lineup until next year, when they can liquidate inventory of Core 2 CPU's, and if AMD can come up with somewhat of a plan to catch up in performance value.
anonymous
on Oct 4, 2009
O’Reilly se une a Microsoft Press : Interesante jugada, O’Reilly se vuelve distribuidor de MS Press y

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