Fretting the Post-Microsoft Era

Two related items today.

The other day, I saw a post from ex-Microsoftie Don Dodge, who left (i.e. "was fired by") the software giant in November and began blogging. In this latest post, he talks about the ease in which he went non-Microsoft and why this is possible and even desirable. I disagree with a lot of this, but I also agree with a lot of it. I'd just point out that this guy was spurned by Microsoft, so take it with that grain of salt.

The move from Microsoft was complete. From Windows to Mac, from Outlook to Gmail, from Explorer to Google Chrome browser, from Office to Google Apps, from Windows Mobile phone to Android, from Zune to iPod. But this post is all about the move to Mac.

Design is probably the reason that high end buyers choose Mac ... One of the major advantages Apple has is controlling the end to end user experience ... The downside was that Apple products cost more and you could only get software and peripheral devices from limited sources. Microsoft, in contrast, was the Swiss Army Knife of the tech world.

The battery life is significantly better on the Mac. [Compared to what? My netbook gets 10 hours of battery life. The ThinkPad Edge I'm testing gets 7.8 hours. --Paul] ... most of the differences I mentioned are hardware design oriented. But what about the differences in the operating systems? Perhaps the best attribute of an operating system is that it operates silently in the background organizing everything automatically without end user involvement. Ten or twenty years ago users had to deal with the operating system to do anything on a PC. Today most people spend their time in the browser. From my perspective the underlying OS doesn’t matter much. All my applications run in the browser. Web browsing, email, documents, spreadsheets, music, photos,…everything is in the browser.

This mirrors two different discussions we've been having a lot on the Windows Weekly podcast. First, that anything familiar is, by definition, "easy to use." More specifically, Mac OS X is not intuitive or "easy to use" (in fact it's very Spartan and utilitarian, compared to Windows) ... unless you've been using GUIs like Windows for a long time. Moving from Windows to the Mac (or vice versa) isn't that hard. The basics are all the same.

Second, that the future is the cloud. If you put all your data in the cloud, use cloud-based email, calendar, contacts, and so on ... switching from OS X to Windows (or vice versa) or between Macs and PCs is all the easier. (As is, incidentally, upgrading to a new PC). It's one less thing to worry about. Once are apps are in the cloud--something Microsoft played with in Live Mesh, by the way--that will be the final major hurdle. Google's way, of course, is just web apps. But I do agree with Steven Sinofsky's view that the computer will also be necessary too.

Anyway.

And then there's Microsoft’s Creative Destruction, an editorial in the New York Times today by ex-Microsoftie Dick Brass. (Very "ex" as it turns out: He was forced out of the company six years ago.) As with Dodge's stuff, I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it. But he does discuss some very specific incidents which I find interesting. Beyond that, we see this kind of silliness:

Some people take joy in Microsoft’s struggles, as the popular view in recent years paints the company as an unrepentant intentional monopolist. Good riddance if it fails. But those of us who worked there know it differently. At worst, you can say it’s a highly repentant, largely accidental monopolist. It employs thousands of the smartest, most capable engineers in the world. More than any other firm, it made using computers both ubiquitous and affordable. Microsoft’s Windows operating system and Office applications suite still utterly rule their markets.

And yet it is failing, even as it reports record earnings. As the fellow who tried (and largely failed) to make tablet PCs and e-books happen at Microsoft a decade ago, I could say this is because the company placed too much faith in people like me. But the decline is so broad and so striking that it would be presumptuous of me to take responsibility for it.

While Apple continues to gain market share in many products [the Mac had 3.82 percent market share in Q4 2009--Paul], Microsoft has lost share in Web browsers [but IE 8 is now the worlds' most often-used web browser--Paul], high-end laptops [which represent a tiny minority of this sub-market--Paul] and smartphones. Despite billions in investment, its Xbox line is still at best an equal contender in the game console business. It first ignored and then stumbled in personal music players until that business was locked up by Apple. [Actually, it worked with device, services, and software partners to create a digital media business before Apple ever entered the market, let alone locked it up--Paul.]

It's very easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback. But if we're going to apply this after-the-fact wisdom to products, how do we explain failures like the Apple TV? It came years after Windows Media Center, and completely ripped off the Media Center UI. (Well, first they came out with Front Row, which ripped off Media Center. Then they used that UI in Apple TV. Whatever.) Apple TV had/has one big advantage over Media Center, of course: It was in a device (i.e. simple) not a full-fledged computer (i.e. compex). And you know what? It completely failed.

So it's cute to point out places where Apple came in after the fact and did a better job. But Apple doesn't always win or get it right, and the Mac, for all its gains, is still a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall PC market. And while Microsoft is definitely on a downward spiral of sorts, let's not all pretend that everything it did didn't actually make plenty of sense at the time.

And let's not forget the record revenues they just posted. That's not too shabby for a company that's supposedly on the way down. Of course, as we also discuss on Windows Weekly, just because a company is big and successful doesn't mean they are interesting or make interesting products. I couldn't care less about IBM, for example.

But then I wrote about that too.

Anyway, there's a lot to discuss here. So I've asked Mary Jo Foley to join me today on Windows Weekly to discuss it all. We're on live at 2pm ET if you're interested.

Discuss this Article 108

rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
Another Apple blog spot at iWinsupersite. The fun never ends. What I find really interesting is that you go out of your way to point out these guys were fired (got any proof) so to taint them, make them look bad because Microsoft fired them, so says you, for your simple minded readers, before you present what they said. Sad journalism and its best. Battery life on any Laptops (13inch and bigger, with regular keyboards and normal CPU's, HD etc) is and has been better on a Mac or some time especially when comparing identical hardware, say Intel chipset, intel CPU/GPU etc. Comparing the battery life of a crapbook (netbook) to something Apple does not have is kind of lame. I guess you could run Windows 7 on a Dell Mini and Hacintosh on the same box crapbook and then compare, but even then Apple has not had a chance to optimize the OS for that hardware. "how do we explain failures like the Apple TV?" Apple has always stated Apple TV is a hobby. They said again just a few days ago. The content providers are keeping Apple TV and ANY major player from dominating. Netflix wants to bust out and provide way more content online but Disney is going to pull out possibly because they will start their own service. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/three-years-later-apple-tv-rem... http://newteevee.com/2010/01/15/bad-news-for-netflix-disney-wants-more-f... And seriously has Windows Media Center ever been a hit? Its has been a massive failure on its own and it was never labeled a "Hobby" by Microsoft.
anonymous
on Feb 4, 2010
This post was mentioned on Twitter by thurrott: Fretting the Post-Microsoft Era: Two related items today. The other day, I saw a post from ex-Microsoftie Don Dod... http://bit.ly/aNHPq6
EricoF3
on Feb 4, 2010
Lol ... Nobody wants to run all their apps on the browser... So the underlying OS is really important... People will only use web based version of application when they are out of office or home and they cannot use their applications on their own computer... This is a dream to think Cloud App will be a success ... This paradigm exist since the 70's and it never been a success... Why now... So, without way, I will use the Swiss Army Knife.
chuckb84
on Feb 4, 2010
So, this is almost thoughtful commentary and the two links are good. The tag line in the NYT bit is this, "Microsoft’s huge profits — $6.7 billion for the past quarter — come almost entirely from Windows and Office programs first developed decades ago. Like G.M. with its trucks and S.U.V.’s, Microsoft can’t count on these venerable products to sustain it forever. Perhaps worst of all, Microsoft is no longer considered the cool or cutting-edge place to work. There has been a steady exit of its best and brightest." And that is the answer to Paul's remark, "And let's not forget the record revenues they just posted." The profits all come from legacy monopoly products that have origins decades ago. Most of the other things, Zune, Xbox, Bing, either lose money (Xbox) or are nearly irrelevant in their markets (Zune). It is striking that Microsoft had a headstart of years over Apple in the mobile software business and is now, at best, on the ropes, and quite possibly not even a player. For once, Paul even says something sensible about the difference in user experience, design and philosophy between the desktop OS's: "More specifically, Mac OS X is not intuitive or "easy to use" (in fact it's very Spartan and utilitarian, compared to Windows) ... unless you've been using GUIs like Windows for a long time. Moving from Windows to the Mac (or vice versa) isn't that hard. The basics are all the same." Spartan and utilitarian, music to my ears! No "wizards", no "Bob", no dancing paperclips, no word processors that constantly change my f**king text without asking me because they think they know better than I what I want to do. Software that just fades into the background. Exactly. Microsoft is certainly not "going away", but the hegemony days are fading fast. Good thing for everyone, I think.
chuckb84
on Feb 4, 2010
"This is a dream to think Cloud App will be a success ... This paradigm exist since the 70's and it never been a success... Why now..." Sufficient bandwidth. Maybe. The thing with cloud computing is that it has to be as reliable as any other utility that comes from a "cloud". Nobody talks about "cloud electricity" or "cloud tap water", because we don't have to. When the service is 4 or 5 9's reliable you can take it for granted. Cloud computing may work, but it needs that kind of reliability and at the present time it it no where close to that. I'd describe the current state of cloud computing as an interesting backup for plain old local computing.
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@rr0de74 - "What I find really interesting is that you go out of your way to point out these guys were fired (got any proof) so to taint them, make them look bad because Microsoft fired them, so says you, for your simple minded readers, before you present what they said." Kind of like you posting with certainty that all iPhones are manufactured by Apple...with no proof. When you are proven wrong all we hear from you is the chirping of crickets. You post that kind of stuff regularly with no proof what-so-ever hoping that your friendly iTrolls will read it and believe it. Standard iCabal technique. At least when Waethorn trolls, he usually knows what he is talking about. On another note - In my opinion, cloud computing will never be a mainstream Enterprise solution in a regulated industry. It will, at best, remain a solution for people like us, that read tech blogs. --tayme
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
Um, so why did Don Dodge buy a Mac instead of a much cheaper netbook with Chrome OS? He says he converted to a Mac because of battery life, and yet in the same post he also complains about paying more for a platform that includes an OS that he doesn't even utilize. What kind of drugs were put in his Apple-flavored Kool-Aid?
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
@tayme: Let's not forget that he posted about iPhone security, and was also corrected on. The iPhone is NOT a secure enterprise messaging endpoint.
EricoF3
on Feb 4, 2010
chuckb84 said: "Sufficient bandwidth. Maybe. The thing with cloud computing is that it has to be as reliable as any other utility that comes from a "cloud". Nobody talks about "cloud electricity" or "cloud tap water", because we don't have to. When the service is 4 or 5 9's reliable you can take it for granted. Cloud computing may work, but it needs that kind of reliability and at the present time it it no where close to that. I'd describe the current state of cloud computing as an interesting backup for plain old local computing." This is not my point! I mean I know they can technically work but nobody want their personal document to transit or be on an external server, especially not a Google Server!!! Personally I prefer doing my stuff in my Applications locally... I don't want servers scanning my files and send me mail pub related to the content of my personal files ... Do you want to??
chipwinter
on Feb 4, 2010
I think it would be better to focus on the ex-Microsoft employees who still use and like Microsoft products.
Keleko
on Feb 4, 2010
I disagree that Windows 7 is "intuitive" or "easy to use", too. I have a friend who was just given a Windows 7 laptop to upgrade his old XP system at work. His comments trying to move stuff from the XP to Windows 7 PC are full of "Tell me how to do it because it's not clear" type stuff. He's been using XP for years, so it isn't like he's new to Windows. He owns and has used Macs at home for a few years, so he's familiar with OSX as well. He's not a typical techy computer user, though. All he cares is that the OS get out of his way and let him do what he wants.
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
@EricoF3: Google is already making money from your content. Just see YouTube for a good example. Ever since Google took over YouTube, every video has had ads placed on it at about the 3 second mark. Google makes money directly off of your content. It's bad enough they can't just subsidize their free stuff online with banner ads, but now they blatantly use your content as a marketing tool. FWIW: This is what I've warned about when I mention Section 11 of their Terms of Service: http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
Ocean
on Feb 4, 2010
In other words -- these two guys are only criticizing MS because they are bitter. Is that it?
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
"Kind of like you posting with certainty that all iPhones are manufactured by Apple" @tayme your logic is warped. Apple orders the iPhones, some person, probably in some Asian country, working for some company manufactures the iPhone. I could google the companies, if I really cared. Those iPhones belong to Apple, and Apple sells them. Anyone that has an iPhone has a Apple iPhone. I assume your comment about me being wrong is in regard to what I said about Microsoft making WinMO hardware. Well I am not changing my tune, Microsoft does not. While I am in IT, I work for a retail company. We have many devices that do one thing, bar code scanning for inventory, that run WinMO/Windows CE in a ruggedized device. We do NOT buy them from Microsoft. You don't even see anything about "Microsoft" on the device, even when it turns on. Microsoft DOES NOT make it. The company we are buying them from does. That company does not sell the device as a "Microsoft" device but as their own. If you buy an iPhone from anyone you are buying a Apple iPhone, from Bestbuy, ATT, Walmart. Its not a Bestbuy iPhone, or a Walmart iPhone.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Feb 4, 2010
chipwinter "I think it would be better to focus on the ex-Microsoft employees who still use and like Microsoft products." You mean, people like me? Oh, and for those reading, Mr. Brass' first name is D i c k (you know, one of the short forms of Richard) which gets changed by Penton's braindead anti-obscenity filter to ***.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
"This is a dream to think Cloud App will be a success" Is that why Microsoft is going to offer free Office 2010 lite via the cloud? Or should we as the city of LA if the cloud is a dream? http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/10/city-council-votes-to...
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
@Keleko: Coming from Windows Vista would be easier than coming from XP. A computer isn't that intuitive in the first place. If you've ever tried to explain how to use a computer to someone that has never used one, getting to the point where they become proficient takes a very long time. Some people just don't understand the file/folder/desktop metaphor. That's essentially the Microsoft Bob alpha - using a real-life metaphor for something very abstract. A computer doesn't actually work that way. Even the filesystem is there for the sake of the user. Otherwise you would just have disjointed pieces of data in a big lump on the drive. Generally speaking, the computer hardware doesn't really know the difference between program instructions and your data. It's all just "data" that needs to be processed in one way or another by the processor.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@waethorn...I never said anything about iPhone security, ONLY that is supports Microsoft's Active Sync enforcement policies features. Those features work exactly the same on a iPhone or WinMO phone. I use them at work everyday, and iPhone users and WinMo users must have a password on their device and I can remote wipe either one use the same Microsoft tool. The discussion was never about security it was about supporting iPhones in a corporate environment and how it can be done using the SAME ENTERPRIS MICROSOFT tools you use for WinMo.
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@rr0de - You were "betting" that iPhones were made by Apple. You were wrong. You regularly state things that you try to pass off as fact, when in reality is not. It is a standard troll tactic. When you are called on it, you go silent - yet another trolling tactic. You have an unusual hatred of Microsoft, a company that is in business to make money. Apple is another company that is in business to make money, and plenty of people have that same unusual hatred for them. People on both sides seem to think that the company that they prefer is in business for angelic purposes. That is simple minded. For you to spend so much time trolling and bashing MS and everything that they do, along with bashing Paul is telling of the quality of life that you must lead. It is really pretty sad. --tayme
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@rr0de - "ONLY that is supports Microsoft's Active Sync enforcement policies features." You were saying that as "proof" that the iPhone is a enterprise class device. It is not. You were wrong, yet again. --tayme
chipwinter
on Feb 4, 2010
I wouldn't bother with these Microsoft naysayers. Nobody knows the future. Just five years ago, there were boobs saying that without increasing their OS market share significantly, Apple couldn't possible become a $10 billion company. Today, Apple's OS market share has moved very little, and Apple's a $50 billion company. So don't listen to the no-nothing asshats.
MacLawyer
on Feb 4, 2010
As an ad hoc Mac administrator, I have to agree with Paul: take this guy's comments with a grain of salt. Apple has a great desktop experience but things get ugly pretty quick on the back end. I'd kill to have some of the deployment tools the Windows boys have.
chipwinter
on Feb 4, 2010
A bigger concern is how Microsoft wound up with 5,800 bad employees like Dodge, so bad that they had to fire all of them last year.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@tayme I not silent am I? Please provide a link for a Microsoft made, labeled, or sold by MS WinMo phone. You are trying to spin this crap not me. The Zune is a Microsoft device. Sold by Microsoft. If I buy a Zune at Walmart its not a Walmart Zune its a Microsoft Zune. Everyone knows, maybe not you, that Microsoft does not actually make the internal parts, or even put them together (just like the iPhone). The iPhones the Army bought, are Apple products, not HTC or Motorola sold products. If the Army is buying devices that have WinMo/CE then they are buying the manufactures device/hardware that has a licensed copy of WinMo/CE probably so hacked that you dont see the word "Microsoft" anywhere.
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
"The company we are buying them from does. That company does not sell the device as a "Microsoft" device but as their own." The software is made and AFAIK also copyrighted by Microsoft, but Microsoft doesn't uphold IP rights on the software when it's embedded in an OEM devices firmware. They talked about that somewhere, when asked about XDA-developers and hacking of the ROMs to upgrade or customize Windows Mobile on phones. They consider the firmware to be the intellectual property of the hardware OEM from which it originated. They said specifically that the firmware is not Microsoft's intellectual property, and that Microsoft is not in a position to litigate against XDA-developers or any similar website because they don't have a legal say in the matter. They didn't mention anything about the software contained in the firmware at all, but it was inferred that they understood that point. That might've been on a video somewhere. I'm guessing that licensing software designed to be embedded becomes (to some extent) the property of the OEM hardware maker, probably because it can't be easily removed from the device. I figure it's something like (not exactly, but close to) the way that Microsoft offloads OEM support for preinstalled software. If it's bundled with a computer, the OEM is responsible for supporting it and Microsoft won't support end-users for OEM software at all (unless they pay for additional support). Just FYI to other legitimate System Builders (somewhat related): According to Microsoft, if you want to make a copy of the Windows installation DVD on a USB thumbdrive, but you include the USB thumbdrive on the inside of a computer case (use a USB motherboard header to type-A port adapter), they consider that an acceptable installation method if there is no DVD optical drive included in the system. According to the SBLA, you can't otherwise make a copy of the DVD bits. The part of the EULA that bans SB's from copying the DVD is all about it being a removeable drive, but if a USB thumbdrive is installed on the inside of the case, it's not considered removeable anymore. The image on the USB thumbdrive doesn't have to be customized because it's being offered in place of a DVD drive, and if the user used the original DVD for reinstall, they wouldn't get any of the OEM customizations off it anyway. The initial install on the hard drive still has to have OEM support information at the very least though. The rest of the SBLA terms still apply: you still have to include the original DVD, COA, and booklet. The nice thing is that you don't have to do a lot of work to build a recovery partition on the hard drive (it's like 12 pages of instructions to go through). Instead, you buy an adapter and a 4GB thumbdrive (about $15 extra cost on the price of the system - less than the labour for a recovery partition), and just give the user instructions on how to override the boot order and boot off the USB drive. Startech makes an adapter for such a use if the motherboards you buy don't have an internal type-A USB port: http://www.startech.com/item/USBMBADAPT-6-USB-A-Female-to-Motherboard-He... A lot of server motherboards have internal USB type-A ports, so using it as a reinstallation system is a good option.
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
"ONLY that is supports Microsoft's Active Sync enforcement policies features. Those features work exactly the same on a iPhone or WinMO phone." Except that the iPhone doesn't support all of the same policies and security mechanisms as WinMo (which supports the full feature set of ActiveSync), so you're wrong. Read the article that was posted.
Keleko
on Feb 4, 2010
@Waethorn Moving from Vista to Win 7 is most certainly a less jarring upgrade for your typical user. However, the vast majority of Windows users are going to be going from XP to Win 7 since Vista never got much of a marketshare compared to XP. This is especially true in the business world where most companies are using XP. And one person's "intuitive" is another person's "confusion". You can't say outright one OS (Windows, OSX, or different versions within each OS) is more intuitive than the other. They're just different. Some people will find one easier to use than the other. So a blanket statement calling out OSX as not intuitive is pointless.
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@rr0de - You said that they were MADE by Apple, not SOLD by Apple. See the difference? Sure they have the Apple logo on them, so they are Apple products...I will give you that. But that is not what you said...just like you changing what you said about them being enterprise class devices. You are trying to change your statement after the fact to meet your needs. It don't work for Obama...it don't work for mikegalos...it don't work for Waethorn...it don't work for you. You said it, you were proven wrong. Live with it. --tayme
johnbaxter
on Feb 4, 2010
"[Microsoft] employs thousands of the smartest, most capable engineers in the world." That part I agree with completely.
daveinla
on Feb 4, 2010
I've had both Mac and PC laptops at home for years. The Mac always get better battery life on average than the PC on equal hardware (now of course you can find a PC laptop with big battery and great life) for these reasons IMO: - Superior energy savings management both when running, sleeping... (WIn 7 has caught up a lot though) - Have the same laptop running OSX and then Win (Vista or 7): at idle, the HD never works on OSX. After 1 week of use, there is still 200+MB free RAM and the OS almost never needs to page or use the disk at idle. On Windows, whether the 1st day or 1week later, the HD constantly works !! That drives me nuts ! Better have a silent and vibration-free HD when working on a laptop with Windows installed. OSX interface very Spartan and Utilitarian ???? LOL !! The interface is always consistent with clear large icons and useful icon the the toolbars of the windows that doesn't require you to dig in menus or contextual menus... As for the 3.5% people using Macs, Paul, leave your Ivory tower for a while and look around you in house what people use !!! Around me it's 25-30% Macs in the US and maybe 10-20% of my folks in France !! Who cares about these utilitarian boxes corporation buy to run Office and accounting softs ??? Wake up man !
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@daveinla - "Who cares about these utilitarian boxes corporation buy to run Office and accounting softs ???" The companies(and their shareholders) that rely upon them to get the work done care about them. --tayme
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@tayme always posting about other posters, not about the subject at hand. Do you work for TMZ, maybe Fox News. You just like Mike G, where is your link to those made by, sold by, Microsoft branded WinMO phones????? Better yes you say... "You were saying that as "proof" that the iPhone is a enterprise class device. It is not. You were wrong, yet again." Really I am wrong and you are right. Hmm maybe you should look at... http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Enterprise_Deployment_Guide.pdf http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/mar08/03-06EASqa.mspx Can you provide some information to backup why the iPhone is not an enterprise class device?
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@tayme look at these results.... http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22196610 Notice you don't see "Microsoft", why is that? Because they DONT make phones.
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
"So a blanket statement calling out OSX as not intuitive is pointless." Considering that there are more users on XP than there were on a previous version of OS X, which was easier for your friend to learn? Upgrading to Windows 7, or switching to a Mac? Just curious. Not saying anything about it being more intuitive. Intuition doesn't play into it if they have experience with previous versions. Instead, those are just expectations.
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@rr0de - I believe that you were trying to claim that I said that microsoft manufactured phones. I don't recall saying that. I also never claimed that they have a branded phone...so, I am not sure what you are getting at. The links that you provide describe how to configure an iPhone for Exchange and VPN. Ok, so they can get email and connect to a corporate network. Where are the applications to support an Oracle database...or tools to configure a MS SQL Server. Any of those real ENTERPRISE TOOLS. Hell, I can get email on tons of devices. iPhones are first and foremost a media player/cell phone device. They are good at that! The network of choice in the US sucks...but, the device is good. --tayme
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
Ok, here we go: @rrode: from the link you provided: "Windows Mobile still delivers the premier mobile e-mail experience for Microsoft Exchange Server, by delivering the Outlook experience on a mobile phone and with the most complete support for Exchange’s many enterprise device management policies" "Our goal with Exchange ActiveSync was to create an open solution that lets mobile device makers pick and choose the kinds of features they want to activate. In other words, it’s really up to Apple what features they want to support in iPhone" There. That just proves that the iPhone isn't as good at Exchange as Windows Mobile, which counters your claim that it is. And if you're still in denial, the link posted the other day also concludes the same and it seems like you didn't read it already, so I'll repost it: http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/7-myths-about-iphone-exchange-polici...
Avro
on Feb 4, 2010
Nobody cares about these commodity boxes. They are the milk floats of computers. http://blacktelephone.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/picture-3431.jpg
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
Just in case you didn't actually read the article after the second posting of it, here's a little tidbit: "A bug fix in the iPhone OS 3.1 update now ensures that iPhones and iPod Touches accurately report back to Microsoft Exchange servers whether they have on-device encryption enabled. Prior to Version 3.1, iPhone OSes reported to Exchange that the devices had on-device encryption despite the fact that no device prior to the iPhone 3G S included that functionality. Because of this, Exchange servers set to allow connections only from devices with encryption enabled -- a federal and state requirement for many organizations -- have been accepting connections from unencrypted iPhones for more than a year." Here's the original story: http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/apple-betrays-iphones-business-hopes... NOT. ENTERPRISE. READY! ---- Hey, DRWAM. How would iPhone users in your organization feel about not being HIPAA compliant, if they found out that they were supposed to be, but weren't?
gorath
on Feb 4, 2010
daveinla, you must surely be delusional to believe that 10% or so of computer users are mac users. Of the many hundreds of people I know who use computers, there are maybe 4 or 5 that have macs. Now what I see, and what you see is obviosuly not conclusive, but to suggest that they have a 1 in 10 usage is beyond daft. As for the sparse and utilitarian - this has nothing to do with consistent interfaces or large icons - I believe they're referring to the myriad helpers that exist in windows to point you to the right place. This has been a primary design of windows' UI for quite some time. And whilst annoying at times, it has by now matured to a level whare you don't notice it unless you're specifically paying attention. OSX on the other hand, has no hints at where you should go to get things done, and assumes a level of prior knowledge. Several tasks still bug me as an only occasional OSX user, such as, how exactly do I open a new seperate browser window without the keyboard? I've seen numerous new users completely flummoxed by both OSes, but in general, they seem to become self-dependant sooner on windows.
Ocean
on Feb 4, 2010
True or false -- good or bad? "even though it received much public praise, internal promotion and patents, a decade passed before a fully operational version of ClearType finally made it into Windows." "Microsoft has lost share in Web browsers, high-end laptops and smartphones." "if you wanted to enter a number into a spreadsheet or correct a word in an e-mail message, you had to write it in a special pop-up box, which then transferred the information to Office. "
Keleko
on Feb 4, 2010
@Waethorn "Considering that there are more users on XP than there were on a previous version of OS X, which was easier for your friend to learn? Upgrading to Windows 7, or switching to a Mac?" He was actually a Mac user before he became a Windows user. His first use of Windows was with 95 when he had to for work. He's used a Mac from the classic OS days, but we only talked about OS X upgrades. His statement on Windows and OS X upgrades he's gone through: "Every time I've had to use a newer copy of Windows, it was a learning experience because I had to find the stuff that Microsoft made completely different. It's not that they moved it or combined it, it's that they totally changed its name and how it was described. I've used OS X 10.2, 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6. Things certainly changed, but you could tell it was a progression from what came before... and it all made logical sense. You could stare at it and the light bulb would go on. That doesn't work with Windows." So expectations are that things should be similar to the previous version and not be changed for the sake of change. If it is changed, it should be logical and/or obvious for someone who used the previous version to figure out the new way. From his point of view that is not the case with Windows upgrades.
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
"even though it received much public praise, internal promotion and patents, a decade passed before a fully operational version of ClearType finally made it into Windows." False. It was announced at Comdex 98 and released in Windows XP three years later. It was included in Microsoft Reader a year before XP though, and you could include Windows XP betas.
tayme
on Feb 4, 2010
@Ocean - Can you post a link to your blog for us so that we can discuss your topics? It is also customary to include a link and/or at least credit the original author of quoted text. --tayme
gorath
on Feb 4, 2010
"Every time I've had to use a newer copy of Windows, it was a learning experience because I had to find the stuff that Microsoft made completely different. etc etc" That certainly makes a lot of sense. They do keep trying to re-jig things, for better or for worse. I'm glad that in Win7, almost everything is laid out how I wish it always had been - and I'm not just referring to the windows 1 era taskbar. OSX, on the other hand. Even though I'm fine with most of it, the niggles that really annoy me have been there from the start, and will likely never go away! - but consistency from one version to the next is not something to be sniffed at.
Ocean
on Feb 4, 2010
Mary Jo just said on Windows Weekly that it is wrong to say "these guys were fired and that's why they are saying this".
Ocean
on Feb 4, 2010
Tayme: those are directly from the NYTimes articles that Paul quoted. What is your response to that?
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
@Keleko: Since OS X.x upgrades are minor, what could you say about going from 9 to X, since that is the last real major upgrade? Honestly, Microsoft hasn't done minor upgrades since the 9x days. Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and the possible exception of Windows 7, have all been major upgrades from a UX standpoint.
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@tayme keep dancing brother. Nice game change. I never talked about SQL tools for any mobile phone, that is way off the subject of being able to manage smarphones in a corporation. The Factor must be your favorite show. "Hell, I can get email on tons of devices." So you are smarter than a 5th grader so what, can you do this with "tons of devices".... Supported Exchange ActiveSync Policies The following Exchange policies are supported: Enforce password on device Minimum password length Maximum failed password attempts Require both numbers and letters Inactivity time in minutes The following Exchange 2007 policies are also supported: Allow or prohibit simple password Password expiration Password history Policy refresh interval Minimum number of complex characters in password Require manual syncing while roaming Allow camera Require device encryption Can remotely push it?
rr0de74@live.com
on Feb 4, 2010
@Ocean Tayme is posting about your post....:)
Waethorn
on Feb 4, 2010
@rrode: "So you are smarter than a 5th grader so what, can you do this with "tons of devices"...." That, and more, can be done with the 30 million Windows Mobile devices already in use. How many tons of devices would that make? Funny that you include the function that Apple decided to "support" even though their hardware couldn't do it: "Require device encryption"

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