Google: Apple DID reject Google Voice. Thus, Apple DID lie to the FCC

Google's response (here it is in PDF format) to the FCC firmly states that Apple lied, pure and simple:

Apple's representatives informed Google that the Google Voice application was rejected because Apple believed the application duplicated the core dialer functionality of the iPhone. The Apple representative indicated that the company did not want applications that could potentially replace such functionality.

[Apple senior vice president Phil] Schiller informed [Google] that Apple was rejecting the Google Voice application.

Google Latitude was also rejected, and Google noted that there was no contact at all from AT&T about these issues. Meanwhile, Google continues to "work with" Apple. You know, as much as you can.

Game, set, match. And if there is anyone out there that still believes Apple, seriously, get a life.

Discuss this Article 69

lazysquirrell
on Sep 19, 2009
Its very quiet in here.
gfryesc1
on Sep 19, 2009
who really cares about this? 'game, set, match', paul? Really, you need to get a life with this boring crap.
sameerV
on Sep 19, 2009
I think we all (except for the fan boys ofcourse!)knew this once we saw AT&T denying any wrong doings!
lotsamystuff
on Sep 19, 2009
It's quiet in here because no one but Paul really gives a rip. Even Paul's conflicted, because in his mind, both companies are equally evil, but the tipping point here is his personal animosity towards Steve Jobs (who must have once denied him a free iPod to review or something). The enemy of Apple is Paul's friend, so he'll give Google a pass for now. But don't fret. He'll be back with some fake outrage directed towards Google within the week.
crankenstein
on Sep 19, 2009
Of course Apple is lying...
Logjamming
on Sep 19, 2009
It's better to lie to the FCC than to lie to the EC! It's better to lie to the FCC than to lie to the FBI (Netscape ring a bell? There's some excellent footage floating on the web and Discovery Science) Face it, Paul: another FUD failed. Just like the Zune. Move to the other side b4 it's too late.
Logjamming
on Sep 19, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qNVe024RvI&feature=PlayList&p=A85534C3A9... So...this is Bill 'Rain Man' Gates.... This is disturbing shit from a guy you trust your computer software with....
evgenij
on Sep 19, 2009
I think that the reason Paul posts all these Apple posts is to show and discuss his opinions on the dishonesty that Apple has. He does the same thing on Windows Weekly (great podcast, by the way) where he talks about all his anti-Apple topics with Leo who actually agrees with him. Why? Because he is not some blind Apple fanatic. Yes, Apple are not saints. I learned that the hard way when I bought an iMac in 2007 which had a washed out screen and Apple refused to fix it because it was that way "by design". Now there is a legal case building against Apple for it. You can look it up. Anyway, of course Apple lied to FCC. I do not think that it surprises anyone. Personally, I find it very pathetic that people attack Microsoft for running "unfair" business practices but when Apple does it, it is always "Apple is just doing things in interest of consumers" or "No, Apple is right, the other guy is wrong". Good for you, Paul. Continue to expose Apple for what it is.
chipwinter
on Sep 19, 2009
Did you even read your own headline? An assertion. Followed by a "fact" pulled from the assertion. Google may indeed be right. But, until that's proven, this headline is not. How desperate can one man be to hate one company?
lazysquirrell
on Sep 19, 2009
Blimey soon perked up!
adamb1000
on Sep 19, 2009
So... what if Google is lying?
CrashPad
on Sep 19, 2009
Folks better start caring! Apple has for too long lied swindled and cyly denied wrongdoing, and you Apple sheeple give them a pass. Someone needs to continue with the bell call of this and hold Apples feet to the fire. Look at your own comments, conjecture, deflection and wild boasts. Get a life sheeple, and let Paul discuss what he will on A Windows Site!!! Your RDF attempts are really pathetic now.
joe-dokes
on Sep 19, 2009
According to several websites the issue is more complex than Paul "The world is black and white" Thurott would have us believe. Essentially at this point we have three stories. Story 1. ATT's, "We did not ask Apple to reject the Google Voice Ap." Story 2. Goggle, "Apple rejected our Ap." Story 3. Apple, "We have neither rejected nor accepted the ap yet." Paul's hyperbole aside, I personally think that Apple should approve the ap. Now the real issue, is should the iPhone be as closed a platform as it is? Many who have grown up in the PC era decry the closed nature of the iPhone as though this is some affront to democracy and all things American. The reality of course is the PC and the Mac OS for that matter that openly allows a variety of software to be installed upon it is truly an anomaly in technologic history. This anomaly is not necessarily a bad thing, and I would argue that the rapid development IT is largely a result of this anomaly. That being said, the amount of hand wringing and crying over how "closed" the iPhone is, shows a lack of understanding concerning history in general and technological history in particular. What is really funny about Paul's post is the fact that Apple is saying one thing, Google another, and ATT a third. In my experience, unless we can see a slew of uncensored emails and voice mails that are independent of this he said she said bs we really don't know what happened or is happening. This is why, we can say with certainty that MS during its anti-trust trial "lied" because the testimony frequently presented in court was contradicted by official MS memoranda. If I were a journalist, with concern about fact based reporting and with understanding both my bias and presenting as unbiased a view as possible; I would hesitate to call someone a liar until I had a bit more corroboration than a single letter sent to the FCC. What is most disturbing about Paul's post is that he claims to be ALL of these things. Yet, he continues to throw around the lie term in post after post. Perhaps he feels that the potential libel suit is worth the risk considering both the number of page hits he gets and the reality that a public corporation (or a public person for that matter) must show actual malice in order to win a libel suit in the US. Regards Joe Dokes
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
This blog just gets worse and worse. I guess it's like tabloid newspapers, people like the trashy stuff.
kent909
on Sep 19, 2009
Welcome to America, where everyone from the President to children lie. Yawn!
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
These blog posts reek of desperation. Obviously all on the prompting of the Borg.
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
Did you post about Apple's response to Google? No, of course not. That would mean fact checking. Not something that's done around these parts.
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
"Google may indeed be right. But, until that's proven, this headline is not." Facts are not something that get in the way if this blog. Like a tabloid, put it out there first, then worry about it later. Actually, that's not accurate, since this blog does not worry about it later. Anytime something is FUD or incorrect, it just won't ever be mentioned again. And forget about a correction appearing, that's unheard of. "How desperate can one man be to hate one company?" As seen over the years, and more so recently, the answer is extremely desperate. "what if Google is lying?" Oh, Paul wouldn't consider that. That would get in the way of spreading more FUD. Supersite for Windows is like the Chinese press. What they publish, towing the company line, is mandated by the Communists. In this case, that's Microsoft.
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
The most amusing thing of all this, is Microtards calling Apple a liar. This from Microsoft? The pot calling the kettle black. Microsoft is losing the people's mindshare. They are large, boring and the new IBM. No one cares. And that kills them. So they get their drones to spread FUD. Yes, they are the Communist in the tale.
resplendent
on Sep 19, 2009
I do wish there was a way to easily separate the "Windows News" stuff from the "Anti-Apple Rant" stuff. Whether or not I agree with their content, if I wanted to read about how awful Apple is I'd to go a site specificially for that. This is supposed to be Supersite for Windows, not "SuperSite Windows and Tirades Against Apple." Maybe you should start a new blog specifically for this stuff, Paul, and leave the legit Windows News stuff in this blog. It's getting tiring sifting through them.
gadfly10
on Sep 19, 2009
Gee, Paul, where was your outrage against Microsoft when they were caught lying (a real "game, set, match) in their antitrust trial? Hate to break it to you man, but your own writing is now a parody of your reputation.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 19, 2009
And the whistling past the graveyard from the iPod/iPhone brigade continues. Interesting that when they can't attack the facts they just attack the messenger. I've never seen so many people so dedicated to a blog that they so openly hold in contempt (for not agreeing with their party line)
adamb1000
on Sep 19, 2009
It's the fact that Paul seems to be anti Apple on everything on his blog. Anything that apple does positive Paul ignores. What if Microsoft blocked Google Voice from it's windows mobile platform? Paul would probobly praise Microsoft saying "It helps protect users by blocking this app" or some BS like that.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 19, 2009
I'm particularly amused by the "We can't be certain whether its Apple, at&t or Google that's lying to the FCC or some combination of the three so let's attack Microsoft" responses. Seriously funny.
gadfly10
on Sep 19, 2009
- "Whistling past the graveyard". Isn't that the hit tune playing on Zunes everywhere?
roteague
on Sep 19, 2009
hamiltonstallings
on Sep 19, 2009
Lol. Qualification #1 to be anti-microsoft: Have absolutely no life but posting comments to a few users on a random Windows blog. Looks like Apple isn't doing so well! haha!
gadfly10
on Sep 19, 2009
Why doesn't the Zune have a built-in Microsoft Points to local currency converter? A. The Tegra processor isn't equipped with a "silly" math calculator. B. The "e" in "marketplace" is pissed and won't give up any space. C. The program compiler only processes lines that are multiples of 500. D. There's an "App for that"! * * http://www.apptism.com/apps/360-points-converter
roteague
on Sep 19, 2009
>> A. The Tegra processor isn't equipped with a "silly" math calculator. It does have a GPU (3D graphics), which you can't have without sometype of math processor somewhere - graphics are very math intensive. >> C. The program compiler only processes lines that are multiples of 500. What is that supposed to mean?
Ocean
on Sep 19, 2009
"who really cares about this? 'game, set, match', paul? " This.
FlyerMike
on Sep 19, 2009
The reason this matters is simple. Paul is a Microsoft guy. He's never said or pretended otherwise. Microsoft is still paying the price for the anti-trust fiasco. Now, Apple is acting far, far worse than Microsoft ever did. Think about it -- Microsoft didn't reject Netscape completely, they just threw their weight behind IE. If Microsoft ruled Windows with the iron fist that Apple rules the iPhone (both the dominant products in their respective fields), people would be all over them. However, when Apple does far worse, apparently nobody cares.
reunson
on Sep 19, 2009
"Game, set, match." Only wishful thinking by Paul. This investigation by the FCC is going absolutely nowhere. Apple has "rejected" hundreds of apps, that were then later approved after modification and resubmission. Although, Apple are probably the liars in this case, they merely have to tell the FCC that the Google Voice app has only been "rejected" for modification and resubmission later. The Google apps will be approved in a different form, Apple will get what they want and therte won't be a dam the FCC can do. "Game, set, match"
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
"i'm particularly amused by the "We can't be certain whether its Apple, at&t or Google that's lying to the FCC or some combination of the three so let's attack Microsoft" " What about the fact that Paul is not certain either, yet he posts this FUD. Why don't you grow some and point that out? Oh, that's right, you're just another Micronerd. Stop posting you're pointless, biased lies and misinformation and don't be such a hypocrite. You spew such venom that no one cares to debate you on anything... because you have no idea how to do that.
robertsjoe
on Sep 19, 2009
Microsoft to bring out two iPhone competitors in Jan 2010. http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft-sharp-danger-pink-sidekick-turtle-pure Project Pink. Appropriate really, as it's sure to fail. Windows Mobile is old and bad. Two mobile companies have already dumped the OS. More to come I'm sure.
Logjamming
on Sep 19, 2009
Hey Mike, This is not what they teach you in the MSCE-course. You're supposed to mention Microsoft and/or Windows coupled with positive affect words at least 9 times in each post. You really haven't been paying attention lately, have you?
subzerohitman721
on Sep 20, 2009
This is truely funny. Here are the established facts. Apple clearly rejected the Google Voice app and other related apps from the App Store. Google says otherwise and giving related documentation to the FCC. Yet if Google Voice wasn't rejected, shouldn't be on the App Store? Isn't that the ultimate proof? If its not approved and not in the App Store, it wasn't accepted. That's pretty clear cut to me. Black and White. Even a child can figure that out. But apparently to our Mac fans here, it wasn't rejected. There are issues. Whatever. How much of Steve Job's rear end are you guys going to kiss? Apple's playing Microsoft's game and probably better than Microsoft ever did. This is clearly anti-competitive behavior. Nothing like the Netscape case, but once again Apple is being protectionist because Google might have service/software that would undermine Apple or AT&T. I say let Google Voice have its due. Put it on the App Store for a trial run. If AT&T or Apple's solution isn't good enough, Google Voice should be a big hit. If it not, Apple doesn't lose a thing. What troubles me is that we're seeing more and more anti-competitive behavior from Apple, and all the Mac guys are giving them a pass. But oh, not Microsoft. Microsoft is evil, right? Well, the more I look at what Apple's doing, the more I see a reflection of the mid 90's Microsoft. I'm going to laugh my ass off one of these days if Apple is conivcted of such behavior. Then a lot of these guys will have to eat crow, again!
shark47
on Sep 20, 2009
@lotsa, Apple and Google got together in the first place for that very reason - hatred for Microsoft. Marriages of convenience happen in the tech world all the time, but it looks like the bromance between Eric Schmidt and Steve Jobs didn't last too long. Apple has been "Joe Wilsoned" by one of its own. I guess that is embarrassing -- especially when you consider the desperate attempts on the part of the robertsjoe-clones on this site to change the topic.
Prs
on Sep 20, 2009
Paul I think you've sent the usual suspects into an absolute frenzy with this, to the extent whereby they’re making numerous breathless posts within moments of one other -- posts in which they: 1) Desperately change the subject by posting numerous links to Youtube videos 2) Commit glaring tu quoque fallacies 3) Espouse demented conspiracy theories in which Paul is controlled by the Illuminati, or the Jews, or whoever. And so on and so on. I don't know if that was your intention, but, either way, that was the result.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 20, 2009
I believe Apple is lying. That said who really cares about this. Outside of the tech world know one knows about it. Even in the tech world only those that follow the iPhone or Google even know about this. I dont know why Apple just does reject it and flat out state that the reason its rejected is that is duplicates core features. I dont see how Apple does not have the right to reject it? It might look bad to some, but its their hardware, os and store. To be clear here on certain aspects of Microsofts many legal battles I dont agree with action taken against them, specifically the browser being included with the OS.
rr0de74@live.com
on Sep 20, 2009
Wow Prs "the jews"......great statement, I sure mama Hitler would be proud.
Ocean
on Sep 20, 2009
>>when Apple does far worse, apparently nobody cares<< Apple is much more benevolent that MS ever was. LOL
SPiotr
on Sep 20, 2009
@Flyer Mike "Now, Apple is acting far, far worse than Microsoft ever did. If Microsoft ruled Windows with the iron fist that Apple rules the iPhone (both the dominant products in their respective fields), people would be all over them." You might just have a point..... if Apple's iPhone was "the dominant product". However it isn't. The majority of "smart" data connected phone in the US are NOT iPhones. It's curious how you guys will exaggerate market share figures in order to "prove" that Apple is behaving illegally and with 'evil' intent.
Ocean
on Sep 20, 2009
>>You might just have a point..... if Apple's iPhone was "the dominant product". However it isn't. The majority of "smart" data connected phone in the US are NOT iPhones.<< Yep, Paul just loves to make this point. Can't have it both ways.
Prs
on Sep 20, 2009
"rr0de74@live.com said: Wow Prs "the jews"......great statement, I sure mama Hitler would be proud." I don't know what that means, I'm afraid.
Waethorn
on Sep 20, 2009
I find it funny that Apple fans like to redirect the argument by bringing up Microsoft when it was in fact Apple's choice to get in bed with two gorillas that they clearly had no idea how to master - Google and AT&T. AT&T never got in between them, but now Google left to get satisfaction with themself, and Apple is left lying in the mess they made (literally!)
Waethorn
on Sep 20, 2009
"I dont know why Apple just does reject it and flat out state that the reason its rejected is that is duplicates core features. I dont see how Apple does not have the right to reject it?" It would outright prove that they are anti-competitive, which is what they're trying to avoid by beating around the bush.
Waethorn
on Sep 20, 2009
"Outside of the tech world know one knows about it. Even in the tech world only those that follow the iPhone or Google even know about this." Are you making excuses for Apple now? If consumers were offered the service, they would be able to reap the rewards of competition. Instead, one company is trying to prevent competition, so consumers lose out. You know the argument that you're making is exactly the reason why competition laws are made, right?
lotsamystuff
on Sep 20, 2009
"Waethorn", that's the most disgusting analogy I've ever read. Paul, why do you stand for that kind of crap. You're a pig, Wae.

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