iPod touch 3G and iPod nano 5G revealed

Paul, What exactly was the "Snow Leopard Debacle"? I'm curious. I haven't heard of any debacles, and I read plenty of MS and Apple blogs.

Shark, You're such a douche! No one, at least not I, said that the Zune was "sucky". I said the promotional material looked idiotic. Your ability to read and understand seems to be greatly impaired. This will be the last time I address you and your pathetic posts.

Chipwinter, You have a point. But as long as people refer to MP3 players as "iPods", it's going to be difficult, even with a slightly lower price point.

Wow Paul, you are such a wealth of knowledge, showing pictures from case makers?? How did you get such information? Oh wait these kind of photos have been around for at least 60 days from a dozen sources. Glad you caught up....oh wait I get it, this is the Winsupersite, before an Apple product launch FUD attempt. Just like a few days before SL launched we got the Paul T FUD machine in high gear. @chipwinter, the rumors, just like the many, many case rumors are that he iTouch will be cheaper than the Zune HD across the board.

Lol. iPod nano 5G is the exact same. So is the touch. Gotta love how Apple brainwashes their consumers to buy the same thing every year.

rr0de74 is gonna lose it, man... This thread is going over a 100 posts and Paul's gonna make payroll (his own) again. Relax and have some fun with it. I have to say... Apple's looking mighty dated and long in the tooth with their designs... it's like too much of any "one" food - you may love it, but you get tired of eating it day in, day out, night in, night out... It's like a middle aged person that is not aging well... square, boxy, confining, off-putting... contrasting with a weebles wobble but they don't fall down kind of "roundy" weirdness that is just add... wobble... wobble all over any flat surface.

I think the huge Snow Leopard debacle was when some sites reported that the Snow Leopard install DVD has an old version of Adobe Flash player. Which, at the time the OS went GM, had been old for 8 days. A non-debacle if I've ever seen one.

What did they reveal? These look exactly the same as the iPhone/iPod Touch has since June 2007. And Paul, are you aware that your sign-up has been broken for at least a year? I finally figured out how to get on here by signing up at Windows IT Pro's website. But the form provided by your link creates accounts that can never be activated.

So a few cases and photoshopped images have be leaked. So what? It wasn't Paul or ZDnet that leaked these images. You can thank Cygnett for the leak. Its funny how folks getting mad because of speculation and letting the cat out of the bag early. Isn't this what the press does? Don't they get early copies of speeches and the scoop? It just seems like people rail against Paul or anyone in the Windows/Microsoft world just to sound like angry self righteous person. What did you expect? If he's really that bad, there are plenty of other technology websites on the web. Just move along. No need to sound like you're going to have an aneurysm because some guy on a Windows site leaks information about an Apple product. What does it matter? People will still drool over the new iPods. People will still buy it. Paul will go on doing his thing.

Oooooh. These are cases. I thought Apple was just making the new gen iPods just look super-cheap (especially the nano). So does the nano actually have a real 16:9 screen this time, or did they fudge it up again like they did the touch/iPhone? They need to kill the shuffle too. What a stinker that one was. Did anybody actually buy one last year? I know that local big box stores near me don't usually have them in stock because they say that they had numerous returns on them, and people usually switch to a non-Apple MP3 player with a colour screen for no more than the same money (sometimes less) and with the same storage space, but with controls that actually make sense to anybody that isn't Steve Jobs.

@hamiltonstallings: lol right... Noooo! THey changed the apple logo... It is now in color rather than glass like.... This is the change of the nano...

panache1023, Thurrot thinks anything associated with Apple is a "debacle"... why not? He gets those little perk checks signed by Steve Ballmer of Microsoft, so you can't bite the hand that feeds you. Oh, and to the people saying MS may have a chance, Apple is supposed to announce a 64GB iPod Touch at $379, according to some sources (not yet confirmed, of course), and will being in their 32GB 3rd Gen iPod Touch at the same price as Zune HD.

well I have had more broken apps with my Snow Leopard upgrade then I ever did with my Vista upgrade..... How dare apple break my carbonite backup.

Hey Paul, Can we have a post on the Snow Leopard debacle here or on WinInfo Daily News? Thanks, Your Readers

hamiltonstallings, I am far from mad because you make absurd, idiotic comments and "lol" at yourself. I'm posting here because I have a stupid hour glass mouse cursor on Windows XP. What does that mean to you? It's weird that someone like you rags on Apple freaks. You are the prime example of "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

@meason: This is the strenght of MS ... BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY... So, Hurray for Apple... it reinvent the world... by using an 40 years old unsecure OS kernel as a base for their GUI shell... Hurray...

I predict.... A color it yourself nano....... it will be primer white/grey and a new line of iPaints will be released to allow you to paint your new nano with 60 dollar bottle of plastic model paint.

Just curious now that this "lack of innovation" from Apple has been brought up. Can someone please explain how MS is innovating in the PMP market? Specifically, what about the Zune HD is "innovative"? Thanks.

No Mike, how is it innovative. *You* tell us.

MikeGalos, I appreciate the links, but I am just asking a rather simple question. People keep pointing out how Apple is failing to innovate the iPods, so I'm just curious about what is *innovative* in the Zune HD. Honestly, I'm really curious.

is this applerumors.com now? WTF?

Lol, the new nano looks like the old zunes ;)

Ok, so know we know that Mike Galos is a coward.

Panache1023, If I may, the interface is truly innovative - as I said earlier, the twist interface, though great on its own, now has this feature/task focus ability that provides large round targets for touch. It's pretty amazing and as a UI is very different and extremely fast. The other area where the HD is truly innovative that comes to immediate mind is what is possible from day one - unfortunately, I can't say any more about that here. I can say that doing really amazing things on the "platform" is going to be very easy and profitable for those that work it. Forget experience integration buzz and think about content fusion and universal access to a very broad universe of content - some from new sources, but as importantly, much from existing ones and then seamlessly mixing and accessing all of it from an equally diverse mix of platforms. Bolt all that to greatly extended social activities already well ahead of the competition and you can see a lot of innovation without even having to begin to talk about what the hardware's potential is. Finally, the deal is great - an all you can eat buffet of "stuff" for three different people, using three different devices on three different computers for one price - it's a great value and saves a lot of money. The Zune HD, its client software, Marketplace, and Social make the entire Zune experience very complete and unique at the same time. Extend that to the Xbox as they have and the PC, as they have and the Zune adds a lot more value outside the device itself.

I'd say Microsoft is about to have a bad day, I noticed that Paul didn't mention the ipod price drops also out today. He's very selective about information, you know.