LOL! Apple demanded that Microsoft stop advertising PC price advantage over Macs

"LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" What does that mean? Laugh out loud out loud out loud...? Is it like a laughter club thingy?

@shark47 : yes it is "Laugh out loud out loud out loud" lololol

Why are so many mac fanboys/trolls hanging around a Windows site?

@rc0nwa: Because Mac fanboys/trolls are like scientologists they always try to control all around the world to be sure nobody talk about there sect... They are a little paranoiac.

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@yoshipod: Ok so if you want... Apple does high end Computer because their prices are higher and Microsoft does not do computer it does not do high end computer... So if I continue in your thinking way, Microsoft do high end operating system and Apple do low end operating system... because of their prices... Ok ... I can live with that lololo

Shark, Your comment of "prove that it isn't true" is so stupid as to be laughable. Guess what? Microsoft called Apple yesterday to ask them to please not license OSX for use on non-Apple hardware, because they are afraid if that happens, Windows will surely lose its dominant position. Now go prove that call never happened. You can't? Oh, so I guess it really did happen.

"So if I continue in your thinking way, Microsoft do high end operating system and Apple do low end operating system... because of their prices... Ok ... I can live with that lololo" Thus you agree that Microsoft is hypocritical with their ads then. They are saying that Macs are more expensive than products they don't make. However, their products are more expensive than Apples.

"@yoshipod: you know this is not just a matter eye to eye, teeth to teeth... If you think taking your revenge on Microsoft publicity in this discussion thread will change anything, you have a little childish attitude...or it is a naive thinking way of living!" Who said anything about taking revenge. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Microsoft's pricing of Windows and their calling out Apple's pricing of the Mac. Windows costs more than OS X. Its that simple. Go to each vendors website and check out the retail price. Apple Laptops cost more than most other PC laptops. Why is this so hard to accept? It is the truth.

You can't ever get a Windows user to see common sense. Especially now that they know that Windows 7 is out October 22. Now they make even less sense.

"So Microsoft is hypocrit in their, "We are less expensive then Apple" ads and Apple is hypocrit in their "I am a Mac, I am a PC" ads... If you prefer it like this I can agree with you..." How so. Please point out one thing in those ads that you can concretely prove. I agree they certainly stretch the truth to their advantage, but there is nothing hypocritical about them.

@ All mac users: You know its like if we are at the homedepot and we check for nails and I told you that the nail box A (which contains 100 nails) seams to be more expensive than the nail box B (which contains 25 nails) but this is only because the A contains 3 time the nails of the B... So I told you that the A is les expensive than the B and you to reply : "No no!! The price of the box B is less so the A is more expensive... don't try to convince me.... I put my finger in my ears lalalalala.... I don't ear anything"... But is is simple... THe Box A is less expensive than the Box B because the Box A contain for time of the nails that is contains in the Box B and the A is twice the price of the box B... So witch one is less expensive???

"@yoshipod: I don't have to prove anything. Apple just talk about subjective thing in their ads but Microsoft talk about concrete objective things in their ads... Prices of a full PC system laptop of any brand running windows compared to a Mac OSX Computer...." Then what is hypocritical about Apple's ads. I agree that the laptop hunter ads show concrete data. (However, they are now grossly outdated, thus the reported call from Apple asking for removal. For example saying the best mac laptop under $2000 comes with just 2GB or RAM, actually they have 3 that come with 4GB of RAM and cost under $2K, and another one that can be upgraded to 4GB and still cost under $2K.). I also showed concrete data that Windows costs more than OS X. Thus the hypocrisy. Please point out the hypocrisy of the "I'm a mac" ads. I agree they can be very subjective and anecdotal. But they are not hypocritical.

yoshi, the hypocrisy of this is not necessarily in the ads themselves, but is more within the company and the troll-like followers that little the Internet (rj, I'm looking at you). For a while, some, like chuck, and many, many others, have openly told us that they don't mind paying more, as they get what is known as "utils of satisfaction" from the purchase, even though it is more. That is fine. However, to see their beloved company have to succumb to the pressure and basically have to say, "hey, we're not as expensive as you think" (no doubt the claim originating from an overzealous legal department and not from El Jobso himself) is where the hypocrisy lies. On the one hand, they will tell you how it is OK to pay more, and how you are getting a value added experience with a Mac. But on the other hand, they complain about the pricing difference. Costs DO matter. No doubt, what this really is telling me is that the ads are of course somewhat working. That they have awaken the sleeping giant and MS is playing for keeps. And that the effects of the poor economy are indeed impacting the sales of premium priced Macs compared to their Windows competitors, especially in the face of netbooks. At a higher level, this is about MS empowering people in a down economy, showing them they can get a good deal when purchasing a computer, and Apple is remaining as smug as ever. Which do you think plays better in the current environment?

"How is Apple cheaper again?" It isn't any way you look at it :) But of course if people want to kid themselves and think it is high end, that's ok.

WIndows DOES NOT COST more than OSX. Unless we talk about retail versions. If you buy a new PC the OEM price of Vista Ultimate is more or less 180 $, Home premium is 140 $. So, what exactly are you talking about?

panache1023 Prove it? "Because two weeks ago we got a call from the Apple legal department saying, hey -- this is a true story -- saying, "Hey, you need to stop running those ads, we lowered our prices." http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4932 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/elop/07-15-09WPC2009.mspx http://www.pcworld.com/article/168505/ms_exec_apple_complained_about_lap... http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/07/apple-demanded-microsoft-t... http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/microsoft-exec-says-apple-asked-them-... So all these websites are wrong? LOL. Yeah, please find me some proof! Do we have an official Apple response? So far, nothing yet from Apple. I think you just don't want to admit that Apple is crying, "Uncle, Uncle!"

"The I'm a Mac ads are getting more ridiculous, the one showing all the fine print is the most hypocritical of all. Any "fine print" with your Mac manual about how your computer may become obsolete and unsupported as soon as 3 years after purchase? Or security updates may be up to half a gig periodically and brick your machine. I see they're bragging about how much smaller Snow Leopard is than Leopard, what they forgot to mention is that they just F***ed all the PowerPC owners, even the most recent G5 and G4 Powerbook owners from just 3 years ago, that's how they made Snow Leopard so much smaller. How soon will they totally stop updating Tiger? MS still has security updates for Windows 2000 and will for another year. Mac's are cheaper than Windows based PC's, thats what the ads are about. The general public gets a new OS with their computer, and Windows didn't charge for Service Pack 1 or two for XP or Vista. The difference between 10.1 and 10.4 was little more than service pack upgrades, yet you paid $129 for each one. So with Snow Leopard you finally get a fair Service Pack price. Finally. I paid $37f or Windows 7 upgrade from Micro Center so I paid about 1200 less for a laptop with the exact specs as a Macbook Pro 2 years ago, I paid 8 bucks more for the upgrade. How is Apple cheaper again?" So once Snow Leopard ships all G4s and G5s will suddenly stop working. Will apple no longer provide contracted service to those customers? Did I miss something there? You are really pulling at straws there. Neither Apple, nor Microsoft, nor any company makes claims that their current products will work with all future ones. You need to look up the definition of hypocrisy. If you thing the difference between 10.1 and 10.4 is a service pack, you are just trolling. Each update offer features that to users made it worthwhile. In addition, each OS ran faster on the same hardware as the prior version. If that is not worthwhile, I don't know what is. Upgrading from Windows NT to 2000 to XP were all service pack upgrades.... See what I did there? Does that not sound foolish? My original statement stands. Windows costs more then OS X based on retail pricing.

Subzero, 1) I hardly think that even if this is true, it's anything crying "uncle, uncle". The commercials don't show anything that isn't publicly available knowledge. 2). You are showing multiple links that are all repeating the SAME STORY. 3) Personally, I don't care either way if it's true or not. The point is, saying, "It's definitely true because an MS executive said it and you can't prove otherwise" is hardly proof of it happening or not A company that is as profitable as Apple will be crying "uncle" (again) when they are close to bankruptcy, not when they are still extremely profitable. give me a break

@subzero I'm sorry to prove you wrong, but according to both Gartner and IDC, Apple shipped 12.4 fewer macs than a year ago. The falling sales down to 1.21 million Macs in 2009. Hmmm... someone needs to do their research. Gartner has Apple's year over year sales going up and IDC has them going down. Both are estimates and not based on actual numbers. you aren't "proving" anything.

"Can you just walk in to the Apple store and say "I would like to buy this Mac without OS X, I already have the 129$ disc from my old Mac?" Or can you just build your own Mac, and install your "Retail" OS X? Apple can keep selling those service p..I mean operating systems cheaper price, because they know people buying them have already paid the retail price of it, when they purchased the Mac." Can you walk into Best Buy, choose a PC there with Windows installed and say please discount it by $319.95 since I already have a Windows Ultimate License? That argument works both ways. And yes, you can build your own box and install a retail copy of OS X on it. It is against the terms of service, but you can still do, and there are many websites out there with instructions. Why is it that you are so willing to dig deeper into the OS X vs Windows retail pricing to show that its not as simple as I make it sound, yet you don't do the same for the Laptops that Microsoft if comparing. That is the point of all my posts. There have been may good arguments as to why its not right to just compare retail costs of each OS. Yet nobody seems to want to do the same for the hardware. The only specs being compared are amount of RAM, HD & screen size. There are many other important parts that make up a laptop. Weight, size, battery life, screen resolution, RAM speed, motherboard, case, durability, etc. Apple does not make $700 laptops. But if you compare similarly specced laptops from Dell & HP (size, weight, battery, etc.) Sudden the Macbook Pros are not really that much more expensive. If this story is to be believed (and I have no real reason to doubt it), then turn that analysis on it as well. Apple asked to remove the commercials that state incorrect information. And its more than just the $100 difference.

The only thing that do apple financial result are good is because of MP3 player (iPod) marcket... Apple is the most important MP3 player seller in the world... This is there niche ... So don't try to confusing us by telling Apple is better in their computer sells then PC with Windows, this is not true!!!

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"Apple's a niche player who in a good year is less than 5% of the installed base and in a bad year is less than 5% of the installed base and that's been true for well over a decade with or without Jobs." Non sequitur response. Marketshare numbers are well known and not in dispute, except for the current IDC/Gartner disagreement. The Sherlock Holmes quote applies "It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of the facts" and we'll have the facts next week, when Apple announces financials. Of course, there are other facts that are never reported on the win mediocrity site, like Dell being down 17% and virtually ALL PC vendors down as well, with the exception of those that make netbooks as a heavy portion of their product line. But context like that doesn't fit well with Paul's snarky LOL! approach to the "facts".