Microsoft and Slave Labor

I've been pretty outspoken in my views that no company--Microsoft, Google, Apple, whatever--should be doing business in or with China until that country has ceased engaging in ongoing and regular human rights abuses. This week, Microsoft got into some hot water over allegations that a Microsoft partner in China, making computer mouse products for the software giant, is essentially a sweatshop. No surprise there, of course. But Microsoft has now issued a formal statement about this event. Here it is.

Working to Ensure the Fair Treatment of Workers in Our Manufacturing and Supply Chain

As a company that sells a wide range of hardware and devices, we take very seriously our corporate responsibility to ensure that the manufacturing facilities and supply chain operations that we use comply with all relevant labor and safety requirements and ensure fair treatment of workers.  We have rigorous standards in place, and have established a robust supplier Social and Environmental Accountability (SEA) program.

We were therefore very concerned when we saw a report by the National Labor Committee (NLC) alleging that conditions at a factory operated by KYE in Dongguan, China, were adversely impacting workers.  KYE assembles and packages hardware products for Microsoft and a wide range of other companies.

As a result of this report, we have a team of independent auditors en route to the facility to conduct a complete and thorough investigation.  If we find that the factory is not adhering to our standards, we will take appropriate action.

We should note that as part of Microsoft’s ongoing supplier SEA program, an independent auditor has been inspecting the KYE factory annually.  In addition, Microsoft personnel conduct quarterly on-site assessments, and receive weekly reports from KYE on key labor and safety criteria that we monitor as part of our supplier SEA program.  Over the past two years, we have required documentation and verification of worker age, and no incidence of child labor has been detected.  Worker overtime has been significantly reduced, and worker compensation is in line with the Electronic Industry Citizenship Coalition standards for the Dongguan area.

Despite these earlier findings, we take the allegations raised this week quite seriously. Another comprehensive on-site audit of the facility will be conducted next week, with a specific goal of investigating the allegations raised in the NLC report.  In addition, we will have monitors on site pending the results of the inspection.

We will take all appropriate steps to ensure the fair treatment of the KYE workers.

So this is responsible, of course. But there's a reason that places like China offer the lowest manufacturing prices: Individuals and the environment are regularly abused in that country. It's that simple. And I really think that the only realistic way to make that change is to stop doing business there. But corporations are not driven by moral concerns, they're driven by greed, and they're controlled by law. So this isn't going to change from what I can see.

Discuss this Article 18

kent909
on Apr 15, 2010
If a company plays in the market of "cheapest product available", does that not encourage this type of behavior? It is the consumer that should take some responsibility for this, by not demanding that their next full fledged computer cost $300.
DarkSages
on Apr 15, 2010
@Paul I agree with you that this needs to be changed but pulling out might not be the right thing. If Microsoft and other companies pull out I don't think it will help but rather make things worse. These shops will still make products if not for Microsoft than for some one else. I also believe that workers will suffer more by not having a US company to some what "regulate" their suppliers. Instead we need to put more pressure on the Chinese government. China is responsible for huge amounts of pollution each year, the UN really needs to set up world regulations on recycling and green alternatives. The only way to stop China is for every country to stop trade with the nation.
bluvg
on Apr 15, 2010
I agree in principle, but this shouldn't just be a conscious-salving move based on our own standards. What is "abuse" to us is sometimes a highly valuable job to someone else compared to their other options, or lack thereof. On some level, this kind of change has to occur over time through the initiative of the people/workers themselves--just like in the US during the Industrial Revolution. The results from outsiders pushing them will likely be superficial.
heran
on Apr 15, 2010
Yes, I agree something must be done. But I don't think stopping trade would do the trick. US didn't sell nuclear technology to China, then China simply developed their own. Google may pull out, then people in China will simply use Baidu. If WLM was blocked in China, people would just use QQ. Then let's look at North Korean, which is probably the most isolated country in the world, the human rights records there however doesn't improve (it actually far behind China).
FalKirk
on Apr 15, 2010
"Individuals and the environment are regularly abused in that country. It's that simple."-Paul It's not "that simple". I totally endorse your views that individuals and the environment should not be abused. But you are totally ignoring one of the classic principles of economics, the theory of comparative advantage, which suggests that somewhere there will always be a low-cost location for manufacturing. In other words, abuse of individuals and the environment is deplorable, but it is probably NOT the primary reason why manufacturing has migrated to China.
gavers
on Apr 15, 2010
Americans, in general, can't do business with Cuba. We can't fly there, and you just try getting on a boat. And, yet, China, no problem. I'm moving to Libya.
Waethorn
on Apr 15, 2010
"Americans, in general, can't do business with Cuba. We can't fly there" In contrast, Canada has a good trade relationship with Cuba. Get your dual-citizenship and enjoy Cuba. It's the most literate third-world country in the world, and it's thanks to Communism. It also has some of the best health care options available for the developing world (considering it's a third-world country). It has some of the best (and cheapest) 5-star[+] vacation resorts in the world. Unfortunately, you southern yanks don't get to see much of that. It's a popular vacation spot for Europeans. You can find a lot of French, German, and Italian travelers at the resorts. Unfortunately, the whole Communism and missile crisis scenarios of the past still resonate with the US, and Cuba was never a major exporter of manufactured goods. Plus, being an island limits their abilities to do business with nearby nations, what with the US embargo in place. China is just too big for the US to have any say over how it does business. Likewise, it has neighbouring countries that were already big manufacturers (ie. Japan, Singapore, Thailand, etc.) that just moved manufacturing to the biggest populous country in the area, where overpopulation left undereducated citizens to grasp at job offerings that required no experience, little to no education, and whatever pay someone would be willing to accept. It's a harsh world though. China won't be able to carry the US's debt forever. If you think the economy was bad when US manufacturing went in the toilet, think of the backflow you'll get when China claims bankruptcy and their manufacturing shuts down.
subzerohitman721
on Apr 15, 2010
This is unacceptable. I understand that different countries have different labor rules, but the kind of inhumane treatment of teenagers in these shops is very cruel. Microsoft definitely needs to show some ethical standards here & make damn sure that the Chinese factories uphold ethical pay, good working conditions, satisfactory hour limitations, breaks for lunch, & benefits. I don't buy the rest of the world argument that America's work standards aren't good enough for the rest of the world. If anything, people don't need to work that hard. There needs to be a reasonable avenue between work & enjoying the fruits of labor.
lotsamystuff
on Apr 15, 2010
"Individuals and the environment are regularly abused in that country. It's that simple." It really IS that simple. Thanks for pointing it out. We've sold our souls for the sake of cheap electronic gadgets and $5 sneakers. It makes me sick, and our children and grandchildren are going to pay dearly for our greed. My advice: Learn Mandarin Chinese now.
EricoF3
on Apr 15, 2010
Yes sure!!! Apple do it too... Tommy Hilfiger do it too... Levis do it too... Cannon do it too... Wall mart do it to... Do you want me to continue??? It will take me 10 years to do the enumeration... This is unfair to talk about this problem by only pointing Microsoft... In a world where all country are not equal in term if money... This kind of thing will always exists... This is not the responsibility of Microsoft, this is the responsibility of the the Capitalism world.... We should not ask our companies to not act like Capitalist Company in a Capitalist World ... This is a none sens... If we have a problem with the capitalist world, we should change the world, not the companies that only try to live in a crazy capitalist wold... Which we also try, individually, to live too...
Waethorn
on Apr 15, 2010
"We've sold our souls for the sake of cheap electronic gadgets and $5 sneakers. It makes me sick, and our children and grandchildren are going to pay dearly for our greed." It's not just that. What is deemed "ethical" varies by nation. It's like debating womens rights in countries where religious rule mandates law. That's just one example. There are many others regarding age, sex, sexual orientation, colour, creed, etc. Discrimination is a term for the foreigner. "Microsoft definitely needs to show some ethical standards here & make damn sure that the Chinese factories uphold ethical pay, good working conditions, satisfactory hour limitations, breaks for lunch, & benefits." Ok there's a few things about that statement: you can claim the benefit of unions fighting for the little guy, but the reality is that unions fight for the exact opposite of what businesses want, and that's to lower the cost of labour. Even in North America, there are people that are willing to give up health care benefits (sometimes even just basic workplace safety) just to get a regular paycheque, regardless of the amount of that paycheque. Living "The Middle-Class American Dream" of having a big house, 2.3 kids, and a pension just isn't in the cards anymore. Union workers need to wake up to that reality - they certainly had their eyes opened for them after Detroit's near meltdown, and all of the outsourcing that continues to go on. Blue collar jobs just aren't meant for developed nations anymore. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can progress.
Waethorn
on Apr 15, 2010
@chieftom: People don't favour the "value-add" market anymore, and that's a shame. Consumers are shopping with the bottom-line in mind. They don't care about quality, service, reliability, etc., as a value-add at point of sale. Is it any wonder that electronics are disposable and that consumers get into a constant replacement cycle? To note: we're getting into doing in-house financing and leasing, because service isn't nearly as big of a selling point as it used to be. We still won't cut back on reliability just for the sake of cost, so instead we'll offer the low-budget shoppers the option of spreading payments over time. We expect a huge uptake on big pricetag items by offering them with a low monthly fee. However, consumers often don't realize that it will cost them more over the course of the payment term. Meanwhile, we're happy because we have to charge a high interest rate. Shoppers "win" because they only see the low monthly fee. They lose because they pay more than if they just paid up front though. The thing is, getting a contract leasing company to handle payments for us isn't worth it, since we can charge a 25-30% interest rate (the standard for in-house financing), but it only costs us 10% to hire a collections company to collect on defaulted payments. In the long run, we're still making a a boatload of money, but customers that wouldn't be able to put down $xx00.00 up front for a good system are still able to get what they want. It's a credit thing, but a customer only needs to determine their own stability to be able to afford smaller monthly payments, which isn't too difficult if they have a steady job.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Apr 15, 2010
chieftom It isn't that Americans are "demanding more and more for less and less". In real dollars, the average American worker makes only two thirds of what they did a generation ago. In 1957 an American couple with two full-time minimum wage workers were able to break into the Middle Class, save some money, buy a nice house and send their kids to good schools. A single minimum wage worker was able to support a family in a decent working class neighborhood. Today an American couple with two full-time minimum wage workers is generally below the poverty line. Savings and buying a house and upward class mobility are not their reality no matter how hard they work. The US GINI is now approaching Banana Republic levels (and, no i don't mean the clothing store). What Americans are "demanding" is to find some way to stop sliding backwards.
Backup77
on Apr 15, 2010
Agreed that this is appalling but unfortunately exists not only in China but other Asian countries too. Consumers as well as companies also have a responsibility here and that is choice. Unfortunately consumers don't think about things such as where and under what conditions their product was produced . Its all about the cheapest deal at any cost.
alamfour
on Apr 15, 2010
I totally agree paul, however their are other facts that need to be looked at. If Microsoft and other Western companies pull out from China what will happen to these people working in these factories? They will all loose their Jobs. This beggs the question, what's better, pulling out for moral reasons and leaving all these poor people without income or stay their and try to actively improve the situation? With out companies like Microsoft investing in China most of these workers and their families would probably starve to death. Also remember this is how Western countries built up their economies all those years ago. If you look back through history at the Industrial revolution you will see that our ancestors went through the same trials and treatment. So pulling it is logically not an option. Instead companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google and others need to take a more active role in ensuring that the workers in these factories are treated fairly and that they are properly compensated for their hard work.
aemarques
on Apr 15, 2010
The rule of thumb, for all consumers, should always to think twice before buying something (too) cheap. And remind ourselves that "if something is too cheap, someone else is paying the price". In this case, the price is paid by the people that work at these chinese factories...
panache1023
on Apr 16, 2010
Let me give you a real life example of it not that we (Americans) are "demanding more and more for less and less" A few months I walked into a children's furniture store. There was a set my wife and I liked that was imported (I think from China). There was another set we liked that was American made. The imported furniture was ~3000, the American made was ~5000. My wife and I are not rich and 2000 is a lot of money to us. We needed to buy a furniture set. Which set do you think we wound up buying? Trust me when I say, i would have loved to buy the American made set.
aemarques
on Apr 16, 2010
@panache1023: Sorry about the pun, but I only wish that your new children's furniture was not made by, well... children. The real question here is, of course, this: would you buy the chinese furniture if you did know for sure that it was made by child labour? In this case, as in others, ignorance is bliss.

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