Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image

I've gotten a lot of email about this article, and while I discussed it on the podcast this week (which you like haven't heard yet) and have a note about it in today's Short Takes (which isn't online yet), it bears mentioning because, well, I told you so:

After months of searching for ways to defend its oft-maligned Windows operating system, Microsoft may just have found its best weapon: Vista's skeptics.

Spurred by an e-mail from someone deep in the marketing ranks, Microsoft last week traveled to San Francisco, rounding up Windows XP users who had negative impressions of Vista. The subjects were put on video, asked about their Vista impressions, and then shown a "new" operating system, code-named Mojave. More than 90 percent gave positive feedback on what they saw. Then they were told that "Mojave" was actually Windows Vista.

Microsoft is still trying to figure out just how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will clearly have a place.

In an interview Wednesday, Windows unit business chief Bill Veghte told CNET News that he wants to see his unit try new things to get the message across.

"We have a huge perception opportunity," he said, offering a glass half-full assessment of things. "We are going to try a bunch of stuff."

Much of that perception, Microsoft belatedly acknowledges, stems from Apple's successful and unchallenged anti-Vista campaign. But, after stewing over the ads on many of his morning runs, Veghte decided that it was time to strike back, even without a new version of Windows to tout. Apple, he said, has "crossed a line" from fact into fiction.

Exactly. I have no problem with Apple (or any other company) competing aggressively with Microsoft. But the Apple ads lapse into outright lying.

Bravo to this.

I'll add a related anecdote. While up in Sonoma a few weeks ago, I was finishing off something on my laptop and our friends came into the hotel room. One of them, looking at the laptop said, "that's beautiful. Is that Mac OS X?" (Qualifier: She is a graphic designer. What can you do?) I said, "no, that's Windows Vista." And she replied," Wow. It's really nice looking. I heard it was awful."

It's time to set the record straight.

Discuss this Article 70

gorath
on Jul 26, 2008
"And to those that think Vista looks great. Try resizing a window. " erm.... care to explain?
shark47
on Jul 26, 2008
The effect of perception: On one hand: "My PC is slow. But it cannot be my fault. Yes, I've downloaded a lot of suspicious files from the internet, but, like I said, it cannot be my fault. It has to be Windows. Windows sucks!" On the other hand: "My Mac seems to crash frequently. It has to be my fault, though. I've heard that a Mac is extremely reliable, so it has to be me." PCs still outsell Macs 30:1 so you obviously hear about problems with PCs more. Calling a PC frail and less resilient to real-world diverse use and peripherals when one PC refuses to recognize a hard disk is just a result of biases that I've pointed out. Strangely all Mac owners have these stories about Windows admins calling PCs crappy and not knowing how to fix them. Why don't they look for alternate professions then?
shark47
on Jul 26, 2008
" Her opinion was that Macs were simply more resilient to real-world diverse use and peripherals. Windows could work great, but was frail and when it broke, it broke horribly. " I don't really know what you mean by "real-world" here. Macs, until now were restricted to a niche market and still have a negligible presence in the "real-world" as far as I know.
Avro
on Jul 26, 2008
30:1 in a world market where Apple doesn't for many reasons choose to compete. 21 of those 30 are corporate sales where Macs are not even considered and margins are wafer thin. I can hear the footprint of T Rex in the background. So we get down to the battle zone, in NA, Europe and Australasia all of a sudden it becomes 5:1 and with laptops about 3:1. No doubt Apple is behind, but they are gaining in crucial markets which will lead the world. Ballmer is a bright guy and he knows if 'you snooze you lose'. Consumers looking at Macs, Enterprise at Linux. The Vista marketing fiasco will be forgiven, but MS cannot afford to flub the next time. They need to get it right.
gorath
on Jul 26, 2008
@ Avro "So we get down to the battle zone, in NA, Europe and Australasia all of a sudden it becomes 5:1 and with laptops about 3:1. No doubt Apple is behind, but they are gaining in crucial markets which will lead the world" hahahaha!! holy crap, are you really suggesting that 1 in 5 computers in Europe are Macs? bloody hell! I want what you're smoking!
johnpapola
on Jul 26, 2008
@gorath, Window resizing is a artifact-laden, page-flipping, slow performing mess on every Vista PC i've used. The WPF compositor works great, but the engine that draws the window contents appears no better than XP. Meanwhile, OSX has never had this. Resizing started off very slow in 10.0, but was always drawn off-screen and provided a very "solid" feel to the OS. No tearing or page flipping. No delayed drawing artifacts. Since Panther, it's been quite fast and in Tiger and Leopard, "teh snappy" is in full effect.
gorath
on Jul 26, 2008
@ Johnpapola Sorry, but I've never witnessed aero do any tearing. it can happen if aero is turned off, as I believe you're then using the same old XP technology. One thing to note though, did you have vertical sync turned off for some reason? I know a lot of gamers swear by turning off V-sync "to get higher frame rates" but on an LCD display, the results are horrendous. Unfortunately, I've seen Graphics drivers default to having V-sync OFF as a result of this, which is frankly, idiotic these days.
Avro
on Jul 26, 2008
@Gorath In the consumer landscape for much of Western Europe, yes. In Enterprise no.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 27, 2008
Back on the topic... There is now a website for the "Mojave Experiment" http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/ Apparently all will be revealed on Tuesday, 7/29 Right now it just has: duration: 3 days in San Francisco, July 2008 conditions: Partly Cloudy, 57 degrees subjects: Over 120 computer users (Mac, Linux, Windows XP and Windows 2000) hardware: An HP Pavilion DV 2000 with 2GB RAM technical assistance: A retail computer salesperson description: Subjects get a live 10 minute demo of the "next Microsoft OS" codenamed "Mojave" - but it's actually Windows Vista
subzerohitman721
on Jul 27, 2008
Gotta love those totally random tests. Its like Coke vs Pepsi. All those Coke lovers ended up liking Pepsi better. I was a long time coca cola drinker. I usually drink Pepsi regularly than Coke these days. Mojave just proves that all this pulp fiction about Vista is a bunch of BS. How many more million users will finally shut the critics up? It seems everyone just needs something to complain about and Microsoft is just the popular target. Yet anyone utters one thing negative about Apple, and their subjected to a mob and figurative crucifixion. I've now seen some articles coming around to Vista defense finally, outside the supersite. It is about damn time. I'm no expert, but since SP1 both of my Vista machines have had zero crashes. None. Both machines have performed above my expectations. I just upgraded my notebooks memory up to 1.5 GB and the speed is there. I also added a USB thumb drive to use Readyboost. Better than any XP machine I've ever owned or used. I run Aero all the time on both machines with no difficulties. Go back to XP, 2000, 98, and 95 reviews. We're still hearing the same complaints, from the same anti-Microsoft tech bloggers. Yet each version of Windows has greatly improved on the last. You have to wonder if they are just doing it for a cheap pop. Just to get readers and web hits. Yet over a billion users and counting still use Windows. And please, don't keep harping the monopoly word. Microsoft has had its fair share of multiple government crackdowns and multiple punishment. The playing field has been leveled and the alternatives are plentiful. If people still buy from Microsoft today, its because they've earned the business.
Avro
on Jul 27, 2008
A 10 minute demo is a bit different from real world experience. Having said that about half the Vista users I know love it and the other half hate it. Very perplexing. I agree when Windows works there is little to complain about. The UI is a bit like a boy scout with a lifetime supply of chocolate covered coffee beans but other than that it is OK.
gorath
on Jul 27, 2008
@ Avro Sorry, but in real-world, domestic environemts, Macs are nowhere NEAR 1 in 5 in the UK. Every single home I've been to has at least one PC (I used to assist a gas-fitter in harder times) but I'd say I only know of about 7 people with macs.
millsi80
on Jul 27, 2008
"Microsoft is still trying to figure out just how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will clearly have a place." They should od what burger king is doing with the whopper freakout ads
anonymous
on Jul 27, 2008
Avro
on Jul 27, 2008
@Gorath Perhaps they just had too much gas!! ;-) Ever tried visiting an Apple Store? Ever looked at what people are using at the airport, university or coffee shop? Ever notice all those Macs on TV? The BBC reported that 1 in 3 of the hits on their website came from MacUsers. 17% of all schools in the UK use Macs. We have 28 families on our street. 7 are MacUsers and a few more are thinking about switching to the Mac. The UK has 3 monthly Mac magazines (MacWorld, iCreate, MacFormat) and one that publishes every 2 weeks (MacUser).
Mum
on Jul 27, 2008
Or the generalisation of the PC doing "boring stuff", whereas the mac can do cool stuff like image and video editing etc? funny, last time I looked, video editing was dominated by Avid, running on PCs" Avid dominates at about 22% of the market, Final Cut struggles far behind at about 49%.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 28, 2008
http://tvbeurope.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1269&Item... "According to research specialist SCRI, in 2007 Apple took 49% of the US professional editing marketing with Avid trailing on just 22%." And about a half-dozen people use Sony Vegas.
gorath
on Jul 31, 2008
@ AVRO Those numbers of yours certainly do not tally in any part of the UK that I've been to. Is there a secret island somewhere that only i-phone users are allowed access to? @ mum & Lotsa Again, almost every video editing facility I've been to uses Avid systems. Smaller "semi-pro" facilities tend to use final cut on macs. (not my choice of words - large-scale multi-room facilities for TV work = pro, smaller facilities dealing with private jobs = semi pro. That's how the "semi-pro" market was explained to me many moons ago) However, with respect to Lotsa, I do believe there is much heavier use being made of Final Cut in the states.
arosania
on Jul 31, 2008
Heh, Sorry I'm late... Had to take care of a misbehaving cluster... @shark47: hmmm... a VERY good sysadmin, if I may say (e.g. I deal with things and don't pretend there is nothing happening). I put up with the comments because this USED to be a good site (before the moronizing). And moron is a mature word compared to others used around here. @cgdams: hmm... Was that an offense? FAIL. No. time to change operating system. Explorer crashes just trying to manage more than 1000 files over a network server (Vista Ultimate, SP1, Gigabit Ethernet). XP doesn't in the same hardware. Nice fact: XP does not crash in a virtual machine under the vista that crashes. LOL. @Dip: Thought that too (video card), but its something in the networking stack. Messing around in netsh I have made some progress, but I'm not quite there yet. BTW. As I was writing this, a friend came to tell me that his HP Photographic printer does not work under vista. I know its not a MS problem, but the incompatibility issues are NOT a lie.
jeffsters
on Jul 31, 2008
Funny..."Is that Mac OS X?" (Qualifier: She is a graphic designer. What can you do?) I said, "no, that's Windows Vista." And she replied," Wow. It's really nice looking. I heard it was awful." Yeah, Vista didn't copy the Mac look...nawww....

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