Microsoft: No Windows Phone Upgrades from Current Phones

No current generation Windows Mobile 6.5.x phones will be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7, according to Microsoft. This sort of dashes the hopes of some who expected the HTC HD2, at least, to be upgradeable. Sorry, but it ain't happening.

Despite the HD2 meeting many of the criteria laid down in Microsoft’s 'Chassis 1' spec – including a 1GHz Qualcomm processor, high-res capacitive touch display, 5 megapixel camera and 3.5mm headphone jack – the phone will be ruled out for the simple reason that it has five buttons instead of the three mandated for all Windows Phone 7 devices.

That’s the official line from Microsoft, at any rate. Natasha Kwan, General Manager for Microsoft’s Mobile Communications Business in the Asia-Pacific region, told APC that the HD2 "doesn’t qualify because it doesn't have the three buttons."

"Because we have very specific requirements for Windows Phone 7 Series the current phones we have right now will not be upgradable," Kwan explained.

For its part, Microsoft says it will not abandon the current Windows Mobile 6.x platform once Windows Phone 7 arrives. The OS will be rebranded as Windows Phone Classic and retained for budget-minded smartphone buyers as well as business customers with 6.x-based apps.

"We think there are people who will want 6.5, and the 6.x platform has a lot of enterprise and line of business apps," Kwan says.

Microsoft will update Windows Mobile 6.5 to 6.5.3 before the Windows Phone Classic rebadging takes place, and Kwan says this will enhance the experience for 6.5 users.

"A lot of 6.5 applications have been built very much from the old paradigm of the stylus. Those legacy apps will be a lot more compatible on 6.5.3 because we have magnifier technology which lets you use your finger for navigating, even though it has a much bigger surface area."

Discuss this Article 57

DRWAM
on Mar 1, 2010
Many phones are free upgrades any way.
Logjamming
on Mar 1, 2010
So..when SL is intel-only, Paul and his sidekick Mike cannot stop pointing the finger at Apple, yet this post is (once again) fails to such an approach. Ah yes, Mr. Selective-Argument Thurrot is at it again.
EricoF3
on Mar 1, 2010
@Logjamming: What is your point exactly??
Ocean
on Mar 1, 2010
This blog post states the obvious. With new hardware demands for the platform, it was obvious (to me at least) that you wouldn't be able to upgrade it.
yoshipod
on Mar 1, 2010
@EricoF3 The point is that Paul and Mike took just about every opportunity they could to say how Mac OS X 10.6 "orphaned" machines that were only a couple of years old. Knocking Apple for leaving its customers behind. Now Microsoft is "orphaning" phones that are brand new. Yet there are none of the same comments they made about 10.6. Nothing about how Microsoft is leaving behind their customers.
anonymous
on Mar 1, 2010
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lotsamystuff
on Mar 1, 2010
"We think there are people who will want 6.5, and the 6.x platform has a lot of enterprise and line of business apps" Ah, it's a COMEDY blog. I get it now.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
Ahhh and this will only kill off WinMO sales for the next 10 months. If I were in the market for a new WinMO phone, I would hold off for sure. Not that I expected there to be an upgrade path, or at least on any phone sold before the announcement. I would think that some of the higher end stuff being sold today from HTC would have enough hardware to support an upgrade. Then again I am sure HTC, Sprint, ATT, Verizon would all rather you turn around and buy another phone and start you 2 year all over again for this new OS, long before they would supply you with a free upgrade OS, even if the hardware could support the upgrade. Yes Mike G went on a 2 week rant about Apple orphaning PPC Mac's when SL came out. Like they just stopped working.
tayme
on Mar 1, 2010
"Now Microsoft is "orphaning" phones that are brand new." Obviously not - "For its part, Microsoft says it will not abandon the current Windows Mobile 6.x platform once Windows Phone 7 arrives. The OS will be rebranded as Windows Phone Classic and retained for budget-minded smartphone buyers as well as business customers with 6.x-based apps." That was obvious to most readers...nice try at starting a debate, though. --tayme
Info Dave
on Mar 1, 2010
Microsoft is fragmenting their customer base. That can't be a good thing.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
Nice spin Tayme. Reality is that if you care about WinMO (small crowd) and you know that this new OS is coming later this year, you are NOT going to buy a WinMO phone before the new OS, and you wont because it will be stuck with 6.5.x. Unless you have money to burn and plan to buy one now and one later. The other group of WinMo users, corporate users that get the phones free from their company, dont care either way. I dont know anyone that would actually buy a WinMo phone for non-Exchange/Corporate use.
tayme
on Mar 1, 2010
I do, however, agree with Info Dave. This is a mistake by Microsoft...but not because they are "abandoning" anything. rr0de74 - That is entirely different than saying that MS is abandoning anyone...when the article that Paul quotes plainly says that is not the case. Again, you and mikegalos are peas in a pod...same word games to make something meet your trolling needs. --tayme
Andreas J
on Mar 1, 2010
Not a surprise, I don't remember device manufactures offering upgrades for previous phones. Hopefully Windows Phone 7 Series will change that! (upgrading firmware through Zune software)
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
I NEVER said they were abandoning anything, I just said it will hurt sales of current phones, much like the wait for Windows 7 hurt sales of PC's before its launch. If the new Windows 7 phones came out on November 1, and you bought a 6.5.x phone on Oct 31, that 6.5.x phone would be perfectly usable for as long as it ran. Microsoft had to put this info out and I am glad they did. At the same time the added marketing speak is put in the announcement to try and save sales between now and the release of the new OS. I totally disagreed with Mike and his Apple abandoning PPC Mac's. I have a 2004 G5, I got free from Work last year when we upgraded our marketing department. Leopard on it did not stop running the day after SL came out. In fact I have applied updates to Leopard post SL launch.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
" don't remember device manufactures offering upgrades for previous phones." Its usually up to the cell provider at least in the US. Often the updates exist but the cell provider holds it back so you will buy a new phone/extend your contract.
DarkSages
on Mar 1, 2010
I for one and i'm sure many a xda will work hard to make it happen, all we need is a leak. HD2 you will get windows 7!
gavers
on Mar 1, 2010
@yoshipod: but Apple really did orphan those machines. When people purchased G5 computers they had no idea Apple would switch to Intel processors and then two revisions of the OS later lock out PPC hardware. People (rightly) had the expectation that their computer would run whatever Apple's latest OS was for many many years to come. An expectation set by years of that being the case. With Windows Phone 7, Microsoft is letting you know right now, if you buy a phone it's not going to run Windows Phone 7. What you have is what you get. If you have a Windows phone that's more than a year old now, by the time phones with Windows Phone 7 start shipping you'll be able to get one from your carrier free or cheap to replace your current phone. Right now I have a legitimate concern that my one-year-old MacBook won't run Apple's OS in a few years... because Apple will have switched to their own custom silicon and abandon Intel like they did PowerPC. And let's face it, a new Windows phone is a lot cheaper than a new Mac.
yoshipod
on Mar 1, 2010
@gavers Did people who bought a windows 6.5 phone a few weeks ago know that they would not be able to upgrade to windows 7 phone? Its really the same thing, and I am not knocking Microsoft or Apple for doing this. Its the price we pay for progress. The knock is against Paul and others for bashing Apple, while giving Microsoft the free pass. I think its unlikely that Apple will abandon the Intel architecture anytime soon given they have spent the pass two years basically optimizing OS X for it.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
@gravers I am not sure if you are serious or if you are being sarcastic? Like I said, I have a 6 year old G5 that is running 10.5.8, Office 2008, iLife 09 and many other applications. Your Macbook will run at least SL if not the next version of OS X (probably the one after that) until the hardware drops dead. Apple made the right move to Intel. PPC was in the minority with Intel and AMD and the X86 owning most of the market share. Its not like they could change to something else now with many players either gone or whomever is left being able to supply Apple with enough CPU's. If Apple did change it would be to use some AMD CPU's. Doubtful at this point since AMD is barely hanging on.
gavers
on Mar 1, 2010
@yoshipod: no, but then Microsoft hasn't set a precedent of phones being continually upgradable to whatever new mobile OS they release. WinMo 5 phones for the most part couldn't go to 6, and similarly WinMo 6.0 phones couldn't go to 6.5. As for Apple's investment in optimizing OS X for Intel, sure, I guess. However, Apple has also clearly been optimizing their OS for ARM as well, look at the speed gains in the iPhone and now the iPad that are purely software related... not hardware. I think Paul's take on this is fair given the realistic expectations people should have concerning their phone's ability to upgrade past 6.5.
Ocean
on Mar 1, 2010
A pilot, Michael Jordon, Bill Gates, the Pope, and a pizza delivery man were all in a plane together traveling through stormy conditions. Suddenly, the pilot ran back to the passengers and announced that lightning had hit the plane, and they were going to crash in a matter of minutes. "There are only enough parachutes for four of the five of us," he announced. "Since I'm the pilot, I get one!" After saying this, the pilot grabbed a parachute and jumped out of the plane. "I'm the world's greatest athlete," proclaimed Michael Jordon. "This world needs great athletes, so I must live." Michael Jordon then grabbed a parachute and leaped out of the plane. "I'm the smartest man in the world," bragged Bill Gates. "The world needs smart men, so I must also live!" Bill Gates grabbed a parachute and jumped out of the plane. At this point, the Pope began to speak to the Pizza delivery boy. "I have lived a long life compared to you, and you may take the last parachute. I will go down with the plane." "You don't have to do that, replied the pizza delivery guy. Bill Gates just jumped out with my backpack!"
DRWAM
on Mar 1, 2010
ROFL!
yoshipod
on Mar 1, 2010
@gavers So its fine that Microsoft offers a very limited upgrade path for their product, but its not fine for Apple to do the same? Winmo 5 could upgrade to 6. Not all of them but many of them. Same with OS X and 10.6. Only newer machine could upgrade. What is the difference? The only difference if people are excusing Microsoft but bashing Apple.
gavers
on Mar 1, 2010
@yoshipod: I think you've missed the point, and so this will be my last attempt to explain it. It has nothing to do with the business model of Apple or Microsoft, it has to do with people's expectations. The expectation with WinMo phones is that the OS it ships with is probably the only OS it will ever run. The expectations with Macs is that each subsequent OS release will run on your hardware with few exceptions. People shouldn't be surprised that Microsoft is maintaining their status quo and making Windows Phone 7 available only on new hardware that ships with it installed. People were surprised that Apple would release an OS that did not run on hardware that for years was able to be upgraded to the latest OS release. Even if those weren't the expectations, Microsoft is giving you about a year's notice of this, Apple gave virtually no notice of their change.
ropp29
on Mar 1, 2010
That is stupid that they won't allow the HD2 to be upgraded. Who cares if every phone has the same three buttons? I think Microsoft is needlessly antagonizing OEMs with WM7 requirements. That said, I agree with "DarkSages" that as soon as a build of 7 leaks, XDA developers will be hard at work to port it to the HD2, and probably other recent WM phones as well.
SoonerSkeene
on Mar 1, 2010
I don't understand: I can *NEVER* have more than 3 buttons on a phone? I really looked forwarded to having a Windows Phone 7 Series device, but I'd want it to have a dedicated camera key so I can quit missing all those 'kodak moments'.
DRWAM
on Mar 1, 2010
Actually, I've got to agree with yoshipod. People knew well in advance that SL would not support PPC, and that MS is being excused on this site for the very thing that Apple was scorned. However, phones are a helluva lot cheaper than computers. On the other hand, my 1999 G4 Tower runs Leopard very well, and doesn't need SL [which does seem to have a few more bugs than Leopard]. So I really don't feel left behind, and I'm $29 richer. But then again, I'm an optimist.
Keleko
on Mar 1, 2010
The 6.x line will be abandoned, and I expect pretty quickly. It may not be by Microsoft immediately, but if you're a developer do you target the Windows Mobile 7 platform where the growth is or the declining 6.x market? I know which one I'd pick for new development. Buying a WinMo 6.x phone now is just a bad idea. Only people who don't know or care about applications will buy one now.
DRWAM
on Mar 1, 2010
Ppl have been awaiting Win Mo 7 for a while. Our IT guys gave up and went for iPhones and Droids. Plenty were expecting to upgrade their existing phones, so many are out of luck. That being said, ppl tend to upgrade phones much more frequently than computers, so that sorta lessens the foul. Still, sales oughts go right down the pooper for a while. However, that will affect the hardware makers much more than Microsoft. Does Palm still make a WinMo phone?
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
Looks like Android has a similar problem: http://gizmodo.com/5480985/why-most-current-android-phones-will-never-ge... BTW tayme: Don't believe anything rrode says. He recommended a server that he can't even build (or have built) with the processor he called for (a Xeon 5580): http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/xeon5000/specific... Also, re: Olympics: I do believe that it is you, tayme, that can pucker up and suck it.
twangisKahn
on Mar 1, 2010
... still can't upgrade to 2.1. But hey at least it's an open platform. That is until google closes the door on you. My pathetic iPhone 2G still gets all the new software (outside of compass and GPS) and it's nearly 3 years old!!! Runs 95% of the new apps, but it's supposedly a closed platform that will put me in a straightjacket. Open is closed and closed is open.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
When Apple announced SL it said it would be ready in about a year. It was also said that it would be Intel only. 13 months later you got SL and it was intel only. There was plenty published about it over the 13 months.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
@wae can I get some teriyaki sauce with that? Looking at some Cisco Blade servers now to replace some aging production servers. Cisco rep says we can order 3.2ghz 5580's in them if we want. From your link at the top of the page it says.... "Intel® Xeon® Processor 5000 Sequence" Second one down is the 5580 You can even get them here.... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117179&nm_mc=OT... Well maybe not in Canada? I could sent you some if that helps you fill my request?
tayme
on Mar 1, 2010
@rr0de74 - "I NEVER said they were abandoning anything" No, but in response to me saying, "Obviously not" to another poster that DID say that they were abandoning, you said, "Nice spin Tayme[SIC]." Who is it that likes to point fingers at me about only posting about others here, again and exactly why did you mention my name when your post said NOTHING in reply to mine? --tayme
tayme
on Mar 1, 2010
@Waethorn - Yup...Canada took it to the US, didn't they? I always feel bad for the hosting country/city. They spend ungodly amounts of money for a 2 week event...and then what? Serious question - Will Vancouver ever recoup the cost and will the venues ever be used regularly? --tayme
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 1, 2010
tayme
on Mar 1, 2010
@rr0de74 - Still silent on my questions...whats up with that? --tayme
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
@rrode: Learn your specs: W series Xeons are WORKSTATION CLASS, not SERVER CLASS! You're just getting sad now. Go away and come back with some real experience (and intelligence).
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
"They spend ungodly amounts of money for a 2 week event...and then what? Serious question - Will Vancouver ever recoup the cost and will the venues ever be used regularly?" If you want an answer from someone closer to home, ask the mayor of Salt Lake City. BC Place was already a widely used stadium and continues to be, and Whistler was already a world-class ski resort town (named after the mountain that it resides at the base of) - just ask Bill Gates.
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
"Who is puckering?" The comment was in response to taymes original about the hockey game actually. But anyway, Canada is #1 in golds, scoring a new record both for the world, but also for host countries.
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
The theme song that CTV was playing during the games was here (which you didn't hear on NBC): http://www.ctvolympics.ca/video/index.html?assetid=7796f648-df46-4b33-a2... (bilingual version) (Dunno if it works outside of Canada) It's not bad, and they used it a lot as a *theme*, with what was said to be over 200 different variations during the games. I still prefer the fundraiser song, sung by Suzie McNeil (she was on Rock Star INXS): http://inmusic.ca/bell/believe
Waethorn
on Mar 1, 2010
BTW: Nikki Yanofsky (the girl that sings the English version of 'I Believe' - the one with dark hair) only just turned 16 about a month ago.
gavers
on Mar 1, 2010
@rr0de74@live.com: You're wrong. In June 2008 Apple gave developers a beta which did indicate that it was Intel only. However, Apple only publicly announced that Snow Leopard would be Intel only at the June 2009 developers conference, less than two months before its public release. Before you think I'm a Microsoft fanboy, or get a kick out of bashing Apple know that the only computers I own are Macs, the only media players I've used are iPods. And I'm not bitter about the decision to make SL Intel only, I had upgraded my Macs to Intel machines when Tiger was the current OS, and no one knew what the next one would be, let alone the one after that. The truth is that Apple did abandon these machines unexpectedly and with little notice.
DRWAM
on Mar 2, 2010
That what I remember Gavers, so we did know about SL and Intel only requirements a while before it was released, although Apple did not make a formal announcement to confirm until just before the release. But Snow Leopard was not the only OS to abandon customers. Some OSes has processor requirements, and could not even be installed on several older models without the minimum processor. A hack was available for a couple OSes [but I can't remember which ones] allowing installation below the minimum required CPU, but Apple made one sales company [Other World Computing I think] pull the hack, which they then gave to another web site to post. Fortunately for me, I upgraded a 400MHz G4 to a 1.3 GHZ G4 so I was able to install Tiger and Leopard. So Gavers, that's what else I think that you meant about Apple orphaning us.
rr0de74@live.com
on Mar 2, 2010
@tayme "Still silent on my questions...whats up with that?" Is that post about the subject ? You responded to whomever? Yoshi? To lazy to scroll up. You basically regurgitated the marketing speak in the MS announcement with your post. Technically MS is not abandoning old winmo, but consumers and developers have and this will only hasten that. You will have niche software makers stick with it. Things like inventory apps that run on WinMo and are used in a gun device to scan inventory. I responded saying you were ignoring the obvious ABOUT THE SUBJECT. @Wae I dont care if there is a W. Its the same socket, it will drop into a server motherboard and if our Cisco Server rep says it will be available in the next 60 days to order then we could run it in a server.
Dude1313
on Mar 2, 2010
Waethorn said: Also, re: Olympics: I do believe that it is you, tayme, that can pucker up and suck it. **************************** Ah the ever popular only gold medals count argument, then why bother handing out silver and bronze. And if only gold matters then crow away all you want. excuse me while I laugh as you try and explain away this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table Bottom line is they were not Lillehammer, but a great Olympics none-the-less.
tayme
on Mar 2, 2010
@rr0de74 - Nice attempted backpedal. You have fully proven the point that you are only here to bash Paul and anybody that speaks positively about MS or negatively about Apple. --tayme
yoshipod
on Mar 2, 2010
"The expectations with Macs is that each subsequent OS release will run on your hardware with few exceptions." Not really. Look at the history of OS X. 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 required a G3 or better. Those who bought or owned a 604e class machine could not run OS X. 10.3 required a G3 class machine with USB. The old beige G3 were not supported 10.4 required a G3 class machine with firewire. 10.5 required a G4 class machine. 10.6 required an intel class machine. So basically each iteration of OS X left some machines behind. There is nothing wrong with Apple or Microsoft doing this. Its really part of the hi-tech industry that moving forward requires leaving some things behind. Just at least acknowledge that and treat each vendor the same. If you bash Apple for that, then do the same for Microsoft. Making excuses such as, phone cost less or are disposable, is really irrelevant. For many people, a year or two old computer is disposable. At what price does this matter? $100, $200, $500, $1,000. That really depends on the user.
yoshipod
on Mar 2, 2010
"Apple, meanwhile, isn't supporting upgrades from machines that were sold as recently as two and a half years ago. I think this distinction is important, and doesn't get enough attention." - Paul Thurrott http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/08/24/apple-to...
Waethorn
on Mar 2, 2010
@dude: So you're saying that the US's motto is "we're #1 at being #2, and proud of it", which is also a pun if you think about it carefully. Canada didn't settle for second place. @tayme: rrode won't answer my question about recommending a workstation CPU for a server configuration.

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