Nokia netbook details emerge

Good to see the blog back up and running. When Techmeme ran your story on the Zune, I couldn't reach it anymore. Hey Paul, a suggestion -- some bloggers have a daily or weekly 'open' thread where all OT postings go, and ban all off-topic postings in their other posts. Might be a good idea here. See this for an example: http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/open_thread_at_n...

It looks very nice but I'm not sure if the additional features justify the price. It seems to make a lot more sense to just get a MiFi which can be used with any modern laptop/iPod Touch, Zune HD ect. The Verizon MiFi is available at Costco for 50 dollars off. Seems like a better deal to just get a standard laptop and use a MiFi

must be the Microsoft Tax at work. and that's before you load up Office.

FalKirk is right... Nokia is sleeping or what??

@gfryesc1: hehe if it was the Apple tax, the price will be 2000$

@ericof3: If it were Apple they wouldn't need Nokia to build the hardware now, would they? So just what are you getting for that $800, a battery sucking GPS bolted on to a Vista service pack?

Since It's only fair to compare full retail unsubsidized price with full retail unsubsidized price in the same market, I suspect that Nokia's basing their understanding of what the market will bear by looking at the pricing of the European unsubsidized versions of the iPhone 3Gs which retail for even more than the Nokia Booklet 3G. (in the €600-700 range depending on model)

As for the Nokia Booklet 3G, it is quite clear that Nokia is positioning it as a premium device, which is fair enough. It looks to be pretty well built and has unique features like in-built GPS and WWAN with hot-swappable SIM slot. If there's virtually zero margin on $400 netbooks, it makes perfect sense for Nokia (as a new entrant) to compete on a differentiated basis in a more premium price bracket.

***Suddenly, having the slowest and smallest computer is all the rage.*** Netbooks are selling well because a) they're pretty cheap and b) they are very portable. The performance might seem lethargic, but it's perfectly adequate if you just need basic word processing, email and browsing in a portable and affordable package.

"...with hot-swappable SIM slot..." is this something new in America? we've been using the sim-card, which i presume you could call hot-swappable? since 1997 or even before...

@ gadfly10: and the price of the Apple netbook would be 2000$... Big deal!!

RobertC, "The performance might seem lethargic, but it's perfectly adequate if you just need basic word processing, email and browsing in a portable and affordable package." Yeah, I agree with you there. But with these prices skyrocketing, it seems like they left the small and portable 'image' behind. Like they are riding out the 'netbook' fad wave, if you will, and pumped it up with features making it and 'advanced netbook' which is just an underpowered laptop.

@gadfly10: I didn't tell such a thing!!??? I just tell this because Apple is suppose to be invulnerable, Mac fan boy tells, and that OSX is not attacked by anybody and anything, mac fan boys tells... But if OSX is never attacked... Why worry about vulnerability? I never insinuate Microsoft is perfect, I just try to show the evidence that Apple is not... What Mac fan boy can tell!! Also, in a highly dangerous virtual world of today, shipping a old unsecured version of a a tired party software is really showing a missing of internal processes of the part of Apple, which is should be perfect if we listen to Mac fan boys... Welcome to the world of human being Steve Jobs!!

"netbook computers which are cut throat competitive with no margins" And people slam Microsoft for wanting to upsell higher-priced systems to consumers.... "If it were Apple they wouldn't need Nokia to build the hardware now, would they?" No - they would need ASUS (they are the ODM that is currently building Macbooks for Apple). Nokia wouldn't be building their own system either anyway - they would contract one of China's "big 4" ODM's. ---- When I can get a PineTrail platform Intel Atom dual-core with ION Gen 2 graphics, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, and at least a 720p 16:9 screen, with HDMI, Bluetooth, eSATA, Wireless-N, with 2GB of RAM that's upgradeable, replaceable 2.5" SATA HDD, and removeable battery, and it'll do HD video fullscreen for less than $600CDN, I'll bite on a new netbook. The Nokia is overpriced, the Z series Atoms suck (as does the GMA 500), and there really isn't anything special here that a <$400US ASUS 1000HE doesn't already do laps around. Put a mini-PCIe 3G card (or USB stick if you're a masochist) in it and be done with it.

Why is it that I am only allowed to post on the most recent post and no past posts?

"The fact is OS X is better..." Sure, if that's what you want. And how's the beta testing with Snow Leopard proceeding? http://www.newsweek.com/id/214044

"Why is it that I am only allowed to post on the most recent post and no past posts?" We hate you.

@Shark, I read your link its ok right up to this point... "I can tell you that I'm writing this on a computer running a quad-core AMD processor with a 64-bit version of Windows 7, and it beats the hell of out the 1-year-old MacBook Pro sitting on the desk beside it, running Leopard. No contest." Wow so your Quad Core desktop with probably 4+gigs of RAM on it is faster than a dual core notebook....you dont say???? Well my V8 Camaro SS is faster than your your inline 4 Ford Fusion.

@Mike 7's beta test began when Vista shipped in Jan 07. 7 is Vista SE or Vista R2, or Vista finished. So I think Vista or 7 should be finished by now, dont you think? It should be after millions paid to be part of that beta. I have 7 RTM at work, I have been using it since the 7 of August when I downloaded it from MS. 98% of what I see is Vista. Just today I got that all to familiar "Limited or no connectivity" pop-up that I so loved in Vista when I went from wired to wireless, even though it had been on that wireless network before. So after deleting that network and adding it again to include whether is was home, work or public I was good to go. The dialog boxes were even exactly the same. The problems so far in Snow Leopard are USER ERROR. As in lets just install over the top and see how it goes, forget about verifying drivers and software compatibility, and lets just bitch if my experiment does not work. I have installed SL on three Macs, all clean installs, all work fine. There was one free app I used on one of them, iStat Menus, which I knew did not work, but an update was release this AM, and it works now. The fact that SL is both faster and smaller as a new OS over the prior version is probably so crazy to you as a Windows fangirl that you just cant grasp the concept.

rr0de Gee. But you said about the article that "its ok right up to this point..." (the point being where he compared AMD quad core and Mac Plus. All the other items I mentioned were from that article that you said was OK. Did you "misspeak"? Were you mistaken? Did you change your mind and decide to backpedal now that you read the actual article? Did Steve Jobs call you up and say you couldn't sit at the kewl kids table unless you took it back?

mikegalos - putting words in other people's mouths for nearly 6 decades. An article being "ok" does not imply full agreement. Again with the reading comprehension problems, mikegalos? --tayme

The article was OK as in it pointed out that some people had problems with upgrading to SL. Example... "Some drivers don't work. Some third-party apps won't run right until they get rewritten for Snow Leopard." Which I agree with. Which is the case for every new OS update on any platform, especially when making major changes like ripping out all PPC code and going to 64bit for core apps like Safari. However to turn around and say Windows 7 is perfect because it been beta tested for almost a year, and that his Quad Core desktop is faster than a dual core notebook is where it shows his Windows bias, clearly. VMware vShpere manager wont run on Windows 7 and VMware engineering/administration is 75% of my job. http://communities.vmware.com/thread/211440;jsessionid=C77AE6210E4502134... Is 7 not ready for commercial release? It runs fine on XP and Vista, should people just wait to verify all of their apps run on Windows 7 for 6 months or more, or just take the plunge and see how it goes? I guess if it goes bad they can go on the internet and complain because they were stupid. I am sure Mike will tell them how they are wrong and MS is right.

@shark47: "Do you mean they trade in their old Macs for a new PC? Because that's what the "Cash for clunkers" No. When someone buys a PC, they are giving money for a clunker in return. Look at your desk. The PC is a cheap clunker.

*err inane drivel

@tehpwnerer16 said: You said: "os x may have a vulnerability here and there, but will never be the unlocked door that winblows is to the malware world." Hahahaha!!! Let me laugh lololoolollll... OSX is not just an open door for hacker, the hackers community know even single line of code in all *nix system on the market ... So don't tell that!! This is the reason why at the last international hacker conference challenge they talk control of an OSX server in about 10 minutes... lol Also, the only reason Malware attack less OSX is only because nobody used OSX... Malware need volume... So they attack windows!!