Quickie, off-the-cuff reaction to today's iPod/iTunes announcements

It's been a long day, and I still have to head out to see some folks for dinner, so I won't have time for a long write-up until tomorrow at the earliest. But here are some early reactions to what Apple announced today.

Dominant. Apple controls 73.4 percent of the market for MP3 players in the United States, roughly equivalent to IE's Web browser share. Apple has sold over 160 million iPods since 2001. And customers have downloaded over 100 million iPhone apps from the App Store in just two months. (OK, most were free.)

Incremental. It's official, folks. The iPod market is now mature. There wasn't a single major announcement at today's event. Nothing. If you think that's bad, though, look at the Zune: They had Apple right where they wanted them (i.e. with nothing cool to announce) and couldn't even pull a new device out of its hat. Sigh.

"New" iPod nano. Or as I call it, the second-generation iPod mini. Or the second coming of the first generation nano. Or Apple's version of the flash-based Zune. Whatever you call it, one thing is clear: Last year's "fattie" iPod nano was clearly not the success they were looking for. Back to the drawing boards. Oh, I do like the colors though. And the accelerometer is interesting. Why isn't it in the classic?

"New" iPod touch. OK, they lowered the price. And they added back iPhone features like a speaker and external volume toggles that quite frankly should have been there in the first place. Do we salute Apple for that? No. No, we don't.

iPod classic. Now even more classic than last year. It wasn't changed at all beyond a new 120 GB hard drive option. Yawn.

iTunes 8. Now more like Windows Media Player than ever. This is the one I need to spend the most time with, but it looks very incremental. I like that HD content is now available on the iTunes Store. Are there new HD iPod profiles out there for QuickTime now?

NBC shows are back. I love this one, and it's another example of Apple being the bad guy. A year ago, NBC left iTunes because Apple wouldn't give them the variable pricing they wanted. Apple claimed (and its closest iCabal fanatics parroted) that NBC just wanted to sell TV shows for more than $1.99. But that wasn't true: They wanted to sell older shows for just 99 cents per episode. And longer, mini-series-type shows for $2.99. Now, in the words of the New York Times, "both sides now say they got what they wanted." Put another way, Apple caved to NBC's reasonable and customer-centric demands and NBC got what it wanted. Bravo.

iPhone software update 2.1. It wasn't cool when the original iPhone 2.0 software was so buggy it made us yearn for the days of Macintosh System 6. It was equally uncool when version 2.0.1 didn't fix any of the serious problems. And it was even more uncool when 2.0.2 didn't just not fix the biggest problems, but it introduced its own new problems. Now, Apple is claiming that iPhone 2.1 will solve the problems. I don't believe them. And I'd really like to know why my iPhone isn't updating to this new version right now.

Apple TV. What? Nothin'?

Steve Jobs' health. It's unfunny when you repeat a tired joke, Mr. Jobs, but we're glad you're OK. No, we really are.

Oh, and one more thing. There was no one more thing. And that stinks. Because these announcements don't amount to much more than a cheerleading session for continued dominance.

Off to dinner. More tomorrow...

Discuss this Article 121

johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
@Mary, Behold the face of bias. In the absence of real information, Paul calls out Apple as "the bad guy" and takes NBC's word at face value. That's an exemplary example of bias. Honesty would mean saying that he doesn't know who wanted what. But since he comes from an "Apple lies" bias... this is the commentary we get.
bettieblu
on Sep 10, 2008
@shark47 Paul grandstands/baits with his comments probably to generate readership, at least here. Reading him and listening to him in other formats is actually quite different. Mike, sorry that guy dominates these boards like crazy, with nothing but negative, I am right your are not comments. According to tayme's calculations pretty much all day long.
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
Wow, Paul shut down that zune comments section quick. Looks like he's taking a page from Apple's MobileMe blog playbook.
chuckb84
on Sep 10, 2008
""Yah, kind of like the Microsoft Gates/Seinfeld commercial or the "Mojave Experiment". Of course, it's just peachy when Microsoft does that, but reprehensible from Apple." So these are the same as an Apple keynote/rally how? Maybe MS should put a huge pie chart on a screen showing Windows dominance over OSX and then we can really watch your head explode. Or lets have some MS guys make snarky comments about Apple during a presentation. 300+ posts of righteous indignation from the fanatics is a guarantee. Stuff that happens routinely from Apple with not a peep from its fans, because as we all well know that stuff is peachy when it comes from them. But have Paul take a swipe at Apple, no matter how small, and its oh so sensitive userbase soils themselves." I don't mind criticism on legitimate issues. Lord knows the iPhone (for example) has plenty of things to criticize. Leopard was released with many, many bugs, so that's another legitimate target. What I object to---and it makes Paul look childish and silly---is the constant, extraneous repetition of these pejoratives. What purpose is served? What content is added? Furthermore, endorsing it in this little echo chamber that Paul calls a "blog" just moves you guys farther from reality. The fact that there are Mac nuts is certainly true, but you'll never find a bigger concentration of WinNuts than right here. You don't get rational commentary by attacking the zealots through your own zealotry. Paul should do better and so should the dittoheads here.
DarkSages
on Sep 10, 2008
All I know is I'm finally replacing all if my ipods including the touch for zunes. The only think keeping me from doing this before was my big audible collection. If we all buy at least on this xmas I bet bigger zune market bigger support for it. Plus I got rid of iTunes long ago and been using a script for moving songs in and out of my ipods. GOD I HATE ITUNES
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
@bettie, I'm not saying that the touch/iphone can replace the DS/PSP for everyone. What I'm saying is that it's gaming capabilities are in the same league with both. And while the buttons issue is a big one for now with many game types, I expect an accessory will be coming soon to fix that. This was the "one more thing" I was hoping to see, and it would've gone nicely with the gaming-centered ad. Apple needs to really REALLY learn from Microsoft here. Gaming matters. It's bigger than hollywood. They are focusing on it now, and that's a good sign, but John Carmack has expressed concern that Apple has been a fair-weather friend to gaming in the past. This does seem different though. An Apple-made, first party controller add-on with standardized SDK support would seal the deal. They should have announced that yesterday along with support for it in the 2.1 update. As for the file sizes... have you notice the size of movie files from iTunes? 1.5GB. I don't consider this an issue. It's actually a benefit. Load up your touch with media and games. No discs to cart around. Still, the PSP is a more hardcore gaming device and will have it's place. The DS does have something to worry about though. Between it's touch controls and a library that is more focused on casual gaming like Nintendogs and Brainage, the Touch could put some serious hurt on Nintendo. Think about it. The DS can't do media or internet or anything else that the touch does. But the Touch beats the DS on graphics (it seems very close to the PSP on the graphics front), it beats the DS on screen size and storage. And it matches (and exceeds) the DS in the non-button UI. I have a DS and enjoyed it for a while. I found myself playing the mario minigames that were touch based WAY more than anything else. The people I see on the subway with DS's everyday seem to be playing similar games. The touch can give the DS a major run for it's money in that casual market and somewhat beyond. On a side note, those new inner-earbuds look great. If they sound really good, they're a value at $79. OT: I'm exec producing the promotion for the VGAs this year and would love to hear what you guys think about the future of gaming. By that I mean a few things. What do you look forward to in the near-term (titles, new gameplay elements like the motion plus, etc). Where do you imagine gaming going in 10 years? Where would you like it to go? Email me via my website with thoughts or ideas. We're (spike) looking to really focus on getting big exclusive first looks at upcoming titles.
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
@chuck, I like your style.
Master3
on Sep 10, 2008
"Because we all know only Apple supporters are fanatics, Windows supporters are ALWAYS models of tact and decorum. " NO all Apple supporters are not fanatics. Many Apple supporters are level-headed folks that live their life and dont spend their time attacking other products and the people that use them. But the most vocal, hard-core, supporters are the fanatics and zealots that make up the vast majority of those that post regularly on sites like this, that do engage in attacks from dawn till dusk on anything that isnt from or of Apple.
DarkSages
on Sep 10, 2008
LOL iTunes 8 already making life harder http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/itunes-8-kills-airtunes-ipod-touch-ca... "We were all excited to stream Genius-generated playlists from iTunes 8 to our Airport Express last night when -- poof -- "-3256 Unknown Error Occurred." This cryptic error, along with another under the equally descriptive name "-15000," has been keeping iTunes 8 upgraders from using their Airtunes on remote speakers. Turns out the issue is one of Firewalls and Firmware. The solutions come from users at Apple's discussion boards. Basically, you need to either turn off your Firewall and / or allow iTunes to accept incoming requests or update your Airport Express to the latest (6.3 as of this post) firmware version. Meanwhile, Windows-based iPod touch users are seeing Blue Screens of Death when plugging in their players due to some other undocumented problem. The solution there looks to be a reboot with the touch plugged in to force the system to recognize the device, run a sync, and turn off photo syncing (not the most elegant solution, clearly). Let's hope Apple at least updates this with something more descriptive than "-3256" in the future. Customer service reps at Apple say they're aware of the problems and are working on a fix."
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>LOL iTunes 8 already making life harder www.engadget.com/.../itunes-8-kills-airtunes-ipod-touch-causing-bsod<< This is why I say *always* wait before installing the latest of any Apple software product.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>But the most vocal, hard-core, supporters are the fanatics and zealots that make up the vast majority of those that post regularly on sites like this, that do engage in attacks from dawn till dusk on anything that isnt from or of Apple. << Same with Windows. Same with Linux. The other threads got locked...
subzerohitman721
on Sep 10, 2008
Even caught off guard to Fry's leak, Microsoft clearly caught Apple with their pants down. NBC content was expected as the chatter on that has been coming for months. The Zune now has support for games and Audible.com. Its slowly but surely reaching parity with iTunes but it has one ace up its sleeve. The subscription model, which Apple still has yet to embrace. Put bluntly, this Apple event was a cheerleading session and here's some redo's on our existing lines. Nothing completely new, just a few revamps. Zune is the big winner today and boy are our resident Mac fans are not happy. None of them have any thick skins to stand any criticism of Apple what so ever. Who would have ever thought that such supposedly affluent, supposedly better educated, supposedly open minded, supposedly thinking differently, and supposedly better computers than the rest of us would actually come off so unenlightened? Why can't two different platforms coexist peacefully? I could careless if you bought a Mac or iPod. Same for a PC or a Zune. Heck, depending on the type of work the person is doing, I recommend what I feel is typically better PC for the job. If they're doing photography, cinema, music recording, and similar work set; I often recommend a Mac. If you're doing games, office work, enjoying/recording electronic media, need a large software ecosystem, easy hardware upgradeability, and want to spend under a grand; I generally recommend they go with Windows. Paul is right about thing, its not really about Mac vs Windows anymore. Today, the lines are no longer just black and white. Its blurred with shades of grey. I am a Windows user who uses iPod/iTunes. I use Quicktime right along side Windows Media Player. I use Java, Flash, Silverlight, and whatever else I need. I could easily switch to a Mac, but still use Vista/XP. I could easily go to Zune and not worry about it. In the end, it doesn't change a damn thing. Microsoft 15 years later is still the king of the hill and Apple is number two. They coexist because both need each other. Perhaps they work together to keep things the way they are because its good for business? Ever think of that?
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 10, 2008
FYI: the big problem that seems to be happening with iTunes 8 on Vista appears to only happen when you have both an iPod or iPhone attached and also have an HP printer. Apparently, disconnecting either the Apple device or the HP printer will allow the system to run without a driver crash at least long enough to get back to a stable state. I'm guessing nobody at Apple's limited Windows alpha test group has an HP printer. It's this kind of configuration testing that gets detected in a decent sized beta. The lack of beta testing made limited marketing sense when they were willing to risk bugs to protect Dear Leader's rollout speeches but now that those speeches are getting to be quick demos of things everybody already knows about and Apple's reputation is becoming "don't ever install a .0 release", perhaps it's time to rethink the whole testing/secrecy balance.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>Its blurred with shades of grey<< Well said.
daveinla
on Sep 10, 2008
Still haven't found the firmware 2.1 news for the iphone...
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
@Mike: I guess Apple should've had their devices and software certified than, shouldn't they? ;)
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
tayme
on Sep 10, 2008
@subzero - Good post. Right on about the peaceful coexistence. I feel the same way, and I tire of the zealots on both sides. Right now mikegalos has taken his credibility and flushed it with his refusal to bend on any subject...even those that he admittedly knows little about. His tactic is to keep moving the target, to make himself appear correct. That is as bad as any of the "iCabal" have ever been. --tayme
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
Wae, it's OT, but >>But Opera, start living in the real world of business decision makers. We don't read RFPs. We don't tout them as being a religion. << is a really silly statement. What if we didn't have standards for electrical outlets? The whole wide world is made easier for having standards.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 10, 2008
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 10, 2008
Wae, I did like, "Heck if IE 5.5 was compliant we'd have no XmlHttpRequest and where would we be now?"
daveinla
on Sep 10, 2008
funny Apple's website still mentions firmware 2.0.2 as current for the iPhone and doesn't even mention the 2.1 firmware. And don't really trust sites like gizmodo other than for rumors. But I found the info on Hardmac... they must know about it I guess... my bad !!!
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 10, 2008
daveinla It was part of Steve Jobs' keynote so you can see pictures of the slides from just about anyone that was livecasting it or watch the video. I suspect Apple's not going to put a lot of promotion for it on their site since that would be publicizing that the iPhone 2 is buggy enough to justify a keynote mention of a bug fix.
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
"The whole wide world is made easier for having standards." Standards aren't always what some governing body says it should be though. In the context of web standards, the real "standard" is that brought forth by Microsoft, since IE has the most marketshare and has been adopted worldwide in more businesses than you can shake your fist at! If you want another example, Apple fanboys would say the iPod is the "standard" to which all other MP3 player manufacturers should look up to.
bettieblu
on Sep 10, 2008
DRWAM
on Sep 10, 2008
Personally, I am not loyal to a platform, since I feel that the platform must be loyal to me. After all, it's my money. I like the Mac OS for personal stuff, but now Vista is very interchangable for my needs, so the future may be a price issue. Also, I have never hidden the fact that I use all Windows at work and you can infer that I know that Windows butters my bread. It the past performance of my home use that kept me in the Mac OS.. As stated above, that performance curve is pretty well matched by Vista now, and if I every need a new laptop, for my personal useage items, the less expensive Vista laptops will be just fine. That brings me back to OT where I have found that the cheaper Sansa MP3 players have been a great buy for my kids. It's funny how they can't tell the diference between Windows andMac OS with their limited useage. They click a browser icon and away they go. My wife couldn't care less what she uses for an MP3 player, as long as it matches her outfit. Glad you're feeling better Shark. I got a lttle more to go. Mike, stay healthy [you're around my age].
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
There are default standards, true. But they can cause problems when they are not published/or cannot easily be used by others.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>> I am not loyal to a platform, since I feel that the platform must be loyal to me. After all, it's my money.<< Well said. >>It's funny how they can't tell the diference between Windows andMac OS with their limited useage. They click a browser icon and away they go.<< Leo Laporte told Paul the same thing: His daughter jumps on Google Docs from any available browser. >>My wife couldn't care less what she uses for an MP3 player, as long as it matches her outfit.<< Hmmm. :)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Sep 10, 2008
DRWAM I do try to avoid all those things that I've found are dangerous (exercise, sleep, vegetables, going an hour without caffeine, etc) Seems to work. :-)
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
@Mike, "The lack of beta testing made limited marketing sense when they were willing to risk bugs to protect Dear Leader's rollout speeches but now that those speeches are getting to be quick demos of things everybody already knows about and Apple's reputation is becoming "don't ever install a .0 release", perhaps it's time to rethink the whole testing/secrecy balance" That's a pretty good point. Especially now that iTunes is on Windows and running on a massive variety of machines.
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
BTW: Why is there never any mention that Apple doesn't WHQL-certify their hardware and software for Windows???!? It is their biggest customer base after all....
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
Hold on a sec....I wonder if all PMP's that get WHQL certification are required to support WMP and PlaysForSure DRM.... That's likely the reason why Apple won't do it!
chuckb84
on Sep 10, 2008
I haven't had my "iCabal koolaid" (TM) yet today, you guys might want to look here for an interesting commentary on the ipod event yesterday: http://daringfireball.net/ "One thing that wasn’t mentioned, though, and which has figured prominently in past music-related special events, was growth. In past events, the overview of iPod sales has included charts showing tremendous year-over-year sales growth. Not yesterday. Instead, the charts emphasized only market share and total unit sales since 2001. The news there is good — Apple has sold a grand total of 160 million iPods sinc 2001 and today commands 73.4 percent of the U.S. retail market (followed by Sandisk at 8.6 percent and Microsoft at 2.6) — but the lack of any braggadocio regarding growth indicates that the market is saturated." Now, Gruber is one of the usual suspects for iCabal-hood, isn't he? Hmm, sounds pretty rational to me. He also notes that iPod sales are probably flattening because of the iPhone (which isn't counted as an IPod, even though it does the same thing), and because the market may finally be saturating. Now to give Paul credit where it is due: He long ago predicted that iPod (and mp3 players in general) would saturate because the functionality would be melded into a phone. Of course, he predicted that iPods would go extinct and never thought that Apple would produce a phone. Still, the convergence is finally happening and the stand-alone mp3 player market may be just about full, or at least has achieved commodity status. It would be interesting to know how many purchasers of the new iPods are repeat purchasers vs. new customers, but I don't know where to get trustworthy numbers on that.
shark47
on Sep 10, 2008
"That's a pretty good point. Especially now that iTunes is on Windows and running on a massive variety of machines." Because most people don't really care. The average Joe and Jane won't care unless someone runs ads that point it out to them or it is reported in the mainstream media. I think people expect software to be imperfect at times because they know a fix will be on the way.
DRWAM
on Sep 10, 2008
MIke, the docs in my reading room are rolling on the floor. Also, I do EXACTLY the same.Except trying to maintain my hercules statis until the grave by heavy lifting. Just remember that I like roses at my funeral and toss a cheesesteak with a coffee in the coffin:) Doc Die young and leave a better looking corpse.
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
@Chuck, John Gruber is a very rational, very critical Apple-centric blogger. Paul hates him because he's put Paul on his "jackass" list on more than one occasion. Whatever. I think calling thousands of people "bad people" without knowing them is pretty jacktastic myself. But this is the shining example of how full of BS this "iCabal" bigotry really is. Paul certainly lumps Gruber in, yet Gruber's clearly a loud and frequent critic of any and all real Apple problems. That, logically, invalidates the entire premise of Paul Thurrotts "iCabal". No matter though. Biased slander need not have any logic.
shark47
on Sep 10, 2008
john, I guess it's all right for john to call Paul a jackass, but it's"jacktastic" for Paul to call someone an iCabalist. Which world are you living in? MacWorld?
johnpapola
on Sep 10, 2008
A little treat from the great wikipedia on "strawman" arguments. This will sounds VERY familiar on this site: In contrast the straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y. Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: A. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. B. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e., choosing quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining). C. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender and then refuting that person's arguments, thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated. D.  Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, such that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. AKA - the iCabal. E. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking the simplified version. 3. Person B attacks position Y. 4. Person B draws a conclusion that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>Now, Gruber is one of the usual suspects for iCabal-hood, isn't he? << No, he's almost always level-headed. He and Paul sometimes don't see eye to eye: http://daringfireball.net/2006/08/jackass_paul_thurrott http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/command_option_control and it also goes in the opposite direction: http://www.internet-nexus.com/2004/09/weve-never-even-heard-of-this-john...
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
He has a different take on the NBC thing than the current blog post does: >>It’s hard to see that NBC gained much of anything in the form of concessions from Apple. -- NBC also wanted variable pricing for its shows. They sort of got that, in that library content — old shows like “The A-Team” — are available for just $1 per episode. But NBC also wanted to raise prices for episodes of popular new shows, and that did not happen. Standard-def episodes of all new shows on iTunes remain at $2. High-def shows are $3, but that’s not variable pricing — it’s the same for all HD shows, not just NBC’s, and as far as I can see all HD TV shows in the iTunes Store are also available in SD. There are no shows which are only available in HD. It’s a win for everyone — Apple, NBC, and customers — that NBC shows are back, but there’s nothing NBC has today that they wouldn’t have had if they’d never pulled their shows from iTunes a year ago — except for millions of dollars in lost revenue. <<
lotsamystuff
on Sep 10, 2008
"Of course, he predicted that iPods would go extinct and never thought that Apple would produce a phone." He also predicted iTunes would die when presented with real competition from Buymusic.com. He also has a few misguided entries in the Apple Death Knell Counter. But I give Paul credit for putting his opinions out there for public consumption. He guesses big--and more often than not, he comes close to the bullseye. If he has a failing, it's that he often cloaks his wishful thinking in his predictions.
shark47
on Sep 10, 2008
You can continue to portray yourselves as a victim of some MS conspiracy, but the fact remains that there is a iCabal (or whatever you choose to call it) which is out to discredit any entity that dares to go against Apple. John, you seem like a reasonable person, but you are exactly like Mike, in that, you refuse to change your opinion in the face of irrefutable evidence and go on and on about this alleged smear campaign, which makes you appear fanatical. I'm not saying Paul is entirely unbiased, but just like Bill O'Reilly and Keith Olbermann need and deserve each other, Paul and Gruber deserve each other too. There is a dearth of bloggers on the Windows site who calls out these Mac and Linux nutjobs for what they are.
chuckb84
on Sep 10, 2008
@Waethorn ""The whole wide world is made easier for having standards." Standards aren't always what some governing body says it should be though. In the context of web standards, the real "standard" is that brought forth by Microsoft, since IE has the most marketshare and has been adopted worldwide in more businesses than you can shake your fist at! If you want another example, Apple fanboys would say the iPod is the "standard" to which all other MP3 player manufacturers should look up to." That is.....so wrong! Standards are never defined by one company and letting Microsoft, or anyone else get away with such a thing is a detriment to us all. In fact, this is the main thing I detest about Microsoft, the "embrace, extend, pollute, control" approach to standard data formats. Lets see: .doc, .xls. .ppt, Exchange, DirectX (which polluted the perfectly fine OpenGL). These formats are how Microsoft gets their evil tendrils into EVERYTHING. It's wrong, it slows progress and it hurts Windows users too, by stifling competition. And, I don't endorse it from Apple either. They're guilty too, althoug not to the same extent. The notable sin is the DRM'ed AAC files on the iTunes store. Those will only play on the iPod and the failure to license Fairplay for "security' reasons is utterly specious. Of course, that's an argument that has about run its course, because DRM-free music is now available from multiple sources and can be played on anything. MIcrosoft is slowly, with gritted teeth, being forced to give up on closed, proprietary data formats and standards. Eventually, this will be a good thing for all, including Microsoft, since it will force them to compete. Please, something that all users should agree on is the avoidance of single company proprietary data formats and standards. It doesn't matter if such things come from Microsoft, Apple, Google, Adobe, etc. Do you really want to cede control of your data to a single company?
DRWAM
on Sep 10, 2008
John and others, that "little treat from the great wikipedia" sounds like my wife and all my old girlfriends.
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
"In contrast the straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern:.... 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y. .... 3. Person B attacks position Y." Your argument about straw man arguments, is, um...a straw man argument, straw man.
DRWAM
on Sep 10, 2008
Chuck, thos e are some tough points. There's one side that makes you wonder why a company should give up proprietary work that they have spent money and years to develop, as well as risks dealing with open platforms which may be easier for hackers to conquer. That's a real tough decision for society. Mike and Wae have a little more insight than the rest of us, so hopefully they are still at this psot to give us some plusses and minuses about it.
Waethorn
on Sep 10, 2008
"DirectX (which polluted the perfectly fine OpenGL)" There's a laugh. DirectX is pushing video card development - not OpenGL. OpenGL is still 3 steps behind DirectX in supporting new technologies. There's a reason why NVIDIA is a huge Microsoft partner. Microsoft makes new DirectX versions based on designs that NVIDIA come up with (and vice versa). OpenGL is a legacy API that only outdated 3D rendering apps and John Carmack use. Even the latest versions of Autocad has support of some of the latest rendering technologies that Direct3D provides that OpenGL doesn't (I know - I just deployed 20 workstation systems to a client with Vista x64, Autocad 64-bit, and NVIDIA Quadro video cards). "The notable sin is the DRM'ed AAC files on the iTunes store" The more noteable sin is non-DRM files still in AAC format, rather than being in the more-compatible MP3 format. I have yet to see a stock car CD-player support AAC, where it supports MP3 (and even WMA). "Please, something that all users should agree on is the avoidance of single company proprietary data formats and standards." That argument is moot, since Microsoft licenses out many of it's so-called "proprietary" technologies. If they make a buck on it, SO WHAT?!? Does Apple license out the Quicktime file format, even though they use H.264 as their primary codec for HD? No. They require full API licensing. That's called twisting an open format toward their own benefit. If they gave all of their trade secrets away, then all we'd have is more 3rd-rate open-source Linux distributors that set the computer industry back another 20 years. Last time I looked, Apple had several proprietary technologies hidden behind the BSD license. If they licensed their technologies through the GPL, they wouldn't be in that position.
Ocean
on Sep 10, 2008
>>Do you really want to cede control of your data to a single company?<< Great point.
tayme
on Sep 10, 2008
I think that there are some misues of words going on here and that is causing some confusion. Standards are a set of "rules" for completing a process or function. Usually agreed upon by a consortium. A standard, on the other hand is something that is accepted as the norm. Of couse there are other uses for the word...but I don't think that a flag or the amount of metal in a given coin is what is being discussed here. Oh, and Doc - While Waethorn and mikegalos are knowledgeable, they are much to biased to rationally comment. --tayme

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