Vista Annoyances Resolved

Koroush Ghazi (of Windows Vista's Enthusiastic Licensing Restrictions fame) has written an intriguing article about resolving some of the problems he sees in Windows Vista (among other things). This is a valid effort, of course. But what I really like about it is the way he frames his work:

This article ... takes an objective and up-to-date look at the current state of Vista, with a range of facts, clear examples and informed opinions aimed squarely at debunking a lot of the myths and FUD we've been gagging on for the past year. So for those of you still considering whether to make the switch from XP, for those of you who want to abandon Vista and go back to XP, for those of you who used Vista a while ago and who are wondering whether it's worth using again now - this article puts things in perspective with the latest facts.

What this article doesn't do: it doesn't try to make you believe that Vista is the greatest (or worst) thing since sliced bread. It doesn't try to force you to think a certain way by taking liberties with the truth just to prove a point. It doesn't try to highlight how witty and incisively sarcastic I can be. And most certainly this article doesn't try to dazzle you with technical jargon.

Some of the annoyances he tackles include:

1. Constantly Changing Folder Views
2. Nagging UAC Prompts
3. Constant Hard Drive Activity
4. Vista Has Bad Driver Support
5. Vista Is A Memory Hog
6. Drive Space Keeps Shrinking
7. Windows Photo Gallery Freezes
8. Vista's Eye Candy is a Performance Drain
9. Vista Is Loaded With DRM

Frankly, some of these are real annoyances, while others are just FUD/misunderstandings/lies, perhaps spread by annoying people. But fair enough: When it comes to Vista, you almost have to address the imagined problems along with the real ones.

He also goes on to discuss reasons you should like Vista. I feel that I covered that stuff enough.

I am, however, interested in discussing Vista problems. You know, real problems that really occur and to real people, really. Stuff I see that I'd like to have fixed. I know others have tried to address these issues in various ways. But maybe it's time for something a little more intelligent than a "what Microsoft needs to fix in Windows 7 list." You know, something along the lines of "what Microsoft should fix by Vista SP2." Real world stuff.

So what am I talking about?

How about the weird folder/file deletion bugs where you somehow can't get the proper privileges to delete something even though you've navigated through all the required UAC prompts?

Why do Windows Sidebar gadgets move across the screen, right to left, over time, when not attached the Sidebar (i.e. floating on the desktop)?

Why is networking so obtuse in Windows Vista? The Location dialog (home, work, public) is wonderful. Network and Sharing is a disaster.

Why can't Windows burn and create ISO files?

Why can't I have different backgrounds (or background colors) on different monitors? Or span a widescreen image across multiple monitors?

Why does Windows Vista feel the need to tell me (via balloon window) when it has successfully done something (like install a driver)? Isn't "just working" the baseline? Bug me when something goes wrong, and leave me alone otherwise. Just work.

Why doesn't the Explorer Favorites list order itself consistently between different window types (like File Open and Computer)? Why doesn't IE remember the size of its File Open dialog when I resize it?

Why doesn't Windows Vista just remember per-folder settings every single time and without question?

And so on.

Discuss this Article 83

tayme
on Aug 26, 2008
@Avro - I feel bad for you or anybody else whose memory and focus are so bad that those little ballons can erase a thought as important as what you describe. In fact...if you stopped mid-thought to plug in a mouse, then you have caused the balloon. To my knowledge none of these balloons stop you from doing what you were working on...in fact, in most cases, I believe that if you ignore them...they just disappear. --tayme
Lindy
on Aug 26, 2008
@subzero, I could not agree more with... "I learned more out of reading this article and the TGTC than all the worthless F.U.D. on this forum. In an eloquent way, he managed to make all of points based upon logic, reason, past history, and user experience" The irony is if Paul wrote articles like this the Winsupersite would be a great place to recommend. However Paul loves to inject a large amount of Ant-anythingnotMS vitriol and hence goes anything he writes down the tubes IMHO. He prefers negative, name calling, sensationalism, to gain readership, not honest, technical journalism, free of BIAS like the article in question. In return he gets iCabla or whatever he calls it, like my self to push the buttons of his faithful, or like kind, something easily done. You see I know 60-70% of negative Vista hype is from un-educated, morons that have probably not even tried Vista outside of a Bestbuy kiosk and go on to regurgitate someone else's negative review on their own blog. I also know that OS X is not perfect either and every piece of software has its problems. The tweak guides from that site are excellent and back when I used to play games on a PC I used many of them to get the best out of my hardware.
gorath
on Aug 26, 2008
@ avro2 "Avro has great idea " Oh come on, now that's just fantasy! haha! What bugs me about the baloons is that there's so many of them for odd things. They can be handy when you plug some new hardware (and I mean NEW) for the first time, to let you know it's ready to use, but that's about it. I do not want to know that media center is downloading EPG listings, or anything else. Likewise, I don't like my email app showing a massive preview of the emails I just received when they arrived. I know you can turn them off, but I'd rather not have them, and turn them ON, if I needed them.
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
Except for the MCE messages, I really don't find those messages bothersome. I don't want the "Error downloading Guide" message popping up every few minutes. I do want to know if the USB drive or the mouse I just inserted are ready to use. I don't see any wireless connectivity messages. I've seen a lot more on XP.
Avro
on Aug 26, 2008
@gorath Very drole I agree newbies who need this sort of thing should be able to turn the idiot balloons on and let the rest of us live in piece. @tayme They are a silly absolutely useless waste of space on my Desktop. Anybody who thinks they are a good idea should go to a brain sale because they do not have a trade-in!!!!
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Avro There are two reasons why "idiot baloons" are generally on by default. (And this is true for both Windows and OS X desktop versions) 1) It's easier for an experienced user to figure out how to turn it off than for a beginner to figure out how to turn it on. 2) If an alert isn't on at all most people will never know it exists and so they won't know that it even can be turned on. Probably the best solution so far is the "don't show this message again" opt-out choice seen in some of these dialogs but even that has problems for beginners.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
shark47 The "Error downloading Guide" really should be there since a failure should be shown to the user so they can correct or workaround the failure such as retrying the download or manually setting a show to record that isn't in the Guide due to the failure. What's hard to justify is the "Downloading Guide" dialog since it doesn't notify the user of something they need to know.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Lindy You're not quite right on the "Paul loves to inject a large amount of Ant-anythingnotMS vitriol" Paul typically bashes MS products. There may be some bias agains AnythingNotWindows but that would be expected on a Windows column. I suspect there's more pro-Apple coverage on Paul's site than there is pro-Windows coverage on most Mac columns and Windows is a bigger part of most Mac users' lives than Mac is to most Windows users. Typically, though, if there is a Microsoft product for Windows and a non-Microsoft product for Windows, Paul endorses the non-Microsoft one. Some examples: iPod over Zune, iPhone over Windows Mobile, AppleTV over Media Center Extenders, iTunes over Zune, Amazon MP3 over Zune Marketplace, Firefox over Internet Explorer, Google Calendar over Outlook, GMail over Hotmail, Google over Live Search, Wii and PS3 over XBox360
Avro
on Aug 26, 2008
@ Mike I don't find those idiot style balloons in OS X and I have been using it since 2001. I get them in Windows all the time. It drives me up the wall and leads me to believe that the UI was done by a 2 year old. re choices Could it be that Paul is just picking the best? Some of those you mentioned are pretty terrible. The Wii over XBox 360? As McEnroe would say "Are you serious?" We love the Wii in this house but Paul bashes it constantly.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Avro Paul does bash the Wii but less than he bashes XBox360 As for "just picking the best", I'm sure they're what Paul thinks is best and that makes it hard to make the case that he has a bias toward Microsoft products when he so thinks they make the worse product. If anything he'd be showing a pro-Windows and anti-Microsoft bias. (and based on the large number of Apple product he uses and endorses, a pro-Apple bias as well) Kind of the quick summary of Paul's views seems to be: Windows - pro Most other Microsoft products - anti Most other non-Microsoft products for Windows - pro OS X - anti Most other Apple products - pro Hardly "Anti-anythingnotMS vitriol"
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
"shark47 The "Error downloading Guide" really should be there since a failure should be shown to the user so they can correct or workaround the failure such as retrying the download or manually setting a show to record that isn't in the Guide due to the failure." The problem is that these things pile up. So, if I've left MCE open for a few hours, I've got to click OK several times to get rid of the piled up messages. "re choices Could it be that Paul is just picking the best? Some of those you mentioned are pretty terrible." Best according to him. He bashes Microsoft products that he dislikes too. "If anything he'd be showing a pro-Windows and anti-Microsoft bias. (and based on the large number of Apple product he uses and endorses, a pro-Apple bias as well)" I agree.
Master3
on Aug 26, 2008
@Avro Have you've ever listened to Windows Weekly? Or what I call The " Paul and Leo giggle or act stupefied at most of what Microsoft does, that is when they are actually concentrating on doing an actual program" Show.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Avro The last time I spent a lot of day-to-day time with OS X (about a year ago) I found Apple's proliferation of "idiot baloons" annoying. I suspect that they're more annoying on the OS you personally use less because you get used to the ones on your day-to-day OS.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
shark47 I've never had them pile up even when I had a flaky network problem a while back (loose antenna cable on a wireless LAN that caused an intermittant network outage) so I wonder what's causing you to get that. Stacked dialogs is certainly not normal behavior.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Master3 You mean with Leo "Don't talk about servers or I'll pretend to fall asleep" Laporte and Paul "My Vista tip of week is how to better sync your iPhone - again" Thurrott? Seriously, though, I assume the "let's talk about the Mac" tone of Windows Weekly is due to the "nothing ever happens outside of Silicon Valley" bias of all the TWiT shows. They're all "what's new in The Valley" with WW being "how does Windows relate to what's new in The Valley" and while it's Paul's show, it IS Leo's network.
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
BTW, I have two messages that refuse to go away. One is "Solutions found to Windows Problems" or something of that sort. I don't want it. I've solved the problems myself. The second is, "Some startup programs were not started automatically" or something like that. This has something to do with Windows Defender, I think. I don't think it's due to msconfig. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
"shark47 I've never had them pile up even when I had a flaky network problem a while back (loose antenna cable on a wireless LAN that caused an intermittant network outage) so I wonder what's causing you to get that. Stacked dialogs is certainly not normal behavior." Only with Vista Media Center and only the Guide error, as far as I know.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Shark I know the exact Media Center message you mean. That is the one I was talking about. I've seen it when my network was having problems but I've never seen it pile up.
anonymous
on Aug 26, 2008
Paul points to a good article on how to resolve lots of Vista Annoyances over at tweakguides....
Lindy
on Aug 26, 2008
Paul does point out dislikes of MS stuff, with out a doubt and will point out stuff he likes about some Apple products. In those cases he is much like the tweak guide author, and honestly that would be a great place to stop. It works for the other guy for sure. When he does not like an Apple product, he turns into a 5th grader with his language/sarcasm. He goes to extremes with terms like "LIAR" and other terms that seem extreme. Or another example when Apple released one of its point releases 10.5.3 I think, and it was a large file size (280meg) he makes negative statements like "Apple finally takes Leopard out of Beta, did they replace the whole OS?". Pure flame bait. All of which would be fine if he gave MS or all vendors the same 5th grader/sarcastic bashing when they did the same things. I applied SP1 to an Exchange 2007 server over this last weekend, it was a 800meg download that expanded out to 1.2gig....which was a complete replacement of all files on the DVD, or how big is SP1 for Vista, or SP1 for Office 2007?? Where is the outrage!!!!???:) Another favorite term of his, as if anything in IT is an outrage really????? Well I guess killing off play for sure was an outrage:) My point is really either choose NOT to be selectively (bias) childish/sarcastic at all (best approach) , or be that way whenever something is not good, no matter who makes it.
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
I guess you missed his comments on Windows Mobile or Zune or even XBox 360. Most Mac users here either ignored them totally or dismissed them - "So what's new? They suck anyway."
Lindy
on Aug 26, 2008
Yes I probably did miss it. Just look at the blog article titles in this two links.....dont open them up just read the titles. http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/tags/Vista/default.... http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/tags/Apple/default.... Which link represents positive and which represents negative? Knowing Paul's writing style you almost don't even have to open them to get a feel for the slant they will take.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Aug 26, 2008
Lindy Or, you could use these: http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/tags/Windows+Mobile... http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/tags/iPhone/default... Which link represents positive and which represents negative? Knowing Paul's writing style you almost don't even have to open them to get a feel for the slant they will take.
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
I think Mike gave a good explanation for that earlier in this thread. To avoid you the trouble of searching for it, let me paste it here: "Paul does bash the Wii but less than he bashes XBox360 As for "just picking the best", I'm sure they're what Paul thinks is best and that makes it hard to make the case that he has a bias toward Microsoft products when he so thinks they make the worse product. If anything he'd be showing a pro-Windows and anti-Microsoft bias. (and based on the large number of Apple product he uses and endorses, a pro-Apple bias as well) Kind of the quick summary of Paul's views seems to be: Windows - pro Most other Microsoft products - anti Most other non-Microsoft products for Windows - pro OS X - anti Most other Apple products - pro Hardly "Anti-anythingnotMS vitriol""
gorath
on Aug 26, 2008
@ avro, and other aloon-annoyed folk. I got into thinking, that maybe it's becasue of the silly ballon-style graphic that we get annoyed at these things? Maybe if they looked more polished, and part of the OS, then they wouldn't matter as much? thoughts?
Ocean
on Aug 26, 2008
subzerohitman721
on Aug 26, 2008
I have to agree with Avro about the pop up ballons. I think you should at least be given the option to turn off Windows notifications. However, being a former XP user and a current Vista user, the pop ups in Vista are a lot less than XP from my experience. XP was truely annoying in that and I was glad to leave part of that behind. However, it shouldn't be that hard to create an OS behavior option in the Control Panel that turns off certain behaviors. If you want to tone down UAC notifications, that should also be an option. So if you don't need all this information from Windows, you can turn them off by application, internal OS options, or both. @Lindy There's a sports radio personality here in Dallas, that uses the term "Fair but Biased." HIs name is Randy Galloway and he makes no apologies for his opinions. In many ways, Paul's style of writing reminds me of Randy Galloway. Fair but biased. Just look at the recent Xbox 360 Hits 60 review, Paul is really critical of the 360's issue such as RROD's, heat issues, fan noise cooling, and the DVD noise. I really like how he describes the DVD playback. "It rattles and hums like a tank, rendering DVD movie watching on the device a painful experience." Ouch. I couldn't agree more. Microsoft fumbaled the football on the 360's and its paying a price. People aren't buying because they are waiting for these issues to be resolved. Also, the recent lot of games just haven't been there. Paul is very complimentary to the PS3 and even gives the Wii a compliment. I think Paul can be objective, but keep in mind he's writing for Windows users. Just as a lot of Mac writers assume you own a Mac and you think its the best thing since sliced cheeze. This brings me to my next point. You've already got a pro-Apple Inc bias. So anything thats slightly negative of Apple gets a knee jerk reaction. Perhaps since us Windows users don't have that kind of emotion invested in a products, we can see the flaws of Apple's products easily. As for me, I don't really have a negative view of Apple. My criticisms for Apple are its marketing, bundling practices, lack of public beta programs, and the condescending views of some of its more hardcore customers. This article by Mr. Ghazi debunked many of the anti-Vista F.U.D. nonsense. At the same time, Mr. Ghazi was critical of people who knee jerk react in general. I believe Paul is pushing back against some of Apple biased publications out there. If you can get them to quit being so senational against Microsoft, then writers like Paul won't have to respond. Just check out PC Magazine, PC World & its contributing writers, eWeek, and others. I believe it was you who ridiculed Vista users because of an exploit that quote "broke all Windows Vista security." However, the exploit it takes advantage of was patched in October 2007. With over 86% of Vista users patched with SP1, the exploit would have failed because of the patch and other layers of Vista security. Sometimes it pays to be patient, get all the information and then make the proper statements. Hope this helps everyone. Peace.
Master3
on Aug 26, 2008
@Ocean What does any of this have to do with "Vista Annoyances Resolved" Paul, can you please implement an IGNORE button for the comments? @ subzerohitman721 PC World and PC Mag are becoming thinner by the week. They cant compete with blogs and info online so they have resorted to monthly MS bashing and Apple promoting in a desperate effort to appear "hip" and hopefully draw readers. What they dont get is that Mac users already have special publications for them, and Windows users rather go elsewhere than waste money on people telling them how much the stuff they use "sucks". Just counting down the days until both those rags fold.
subzerohitman721
on Aug 26, 2008
@Master3: Amen. I'll be glad when they do. Later.
shark47
on Aug 26, 2008
"This article by Mr. Ghazi debunked many of the anti-Vista F.U.D. nonsense. At the same time, Mr. Ghazi was critical of people who knee jerk react in general." The problem is that the mainstream tech journalists and bloggers largely ignore such articles. So, for most people, the FUD is still the truth.
Dipsh t Admin
on Aug 27, 2008
"One is "Solutions found to Windows Problems" or something of that sort. I don't want it. I've solved the problems myself. The second is, "Some startup programs were not started automatically" or something like that. This has something to do with Windows Defender, I think. I don't think it's due to msconfig." You can turn off problem reporting if you want, although I would keep it on. You may also want to clear out the problem history, as it might have a history for stuff that has been long fixed or removed. Do this from Problem Reports and Solutions, usually I start typing "problem re" in the search box. I've seen the second behavior with msconfig more often than with Defender, but it is usually related to an application that requires a UAC response before running. Rather than delaying startup, it keeps it in the holding area until you respond. Some suggested sites to take a gander at are aerotaskforce.com and aquataskforce.com, both created by Long Zheng of istartedsomething.com.
Avro
on Aug 27, 2008
@gorath No, I like the way Apple does it. I really do not need to know when the internet, mouse et al is working, it should. What I do need to know that if something is not working is why. I like the OS X approach - your connection appears not to be working, go to diagnostics and it will tell you if the problem is Airport, the ISP or the Internet and so on. @Mike In 7 years of using OS X I have never seen the balloons you refer to, perhaps there is a menu option somewhere for turning the Help balloons on but so far myself, wife and children have not found it nor do we intend on looking for it!!! @subzerohitman 'My criticisms for Apple are its marketing, bundling practices, lack of public beta programs, and the condescending views of some of its more hardcore customers.' As I mentioned before the marketing successfully targets some of the shortcomings in several versions of Windows. You may have only had one virus, a couple screen freezes and a few cryptic error messages but they are very hard to forget and Apple exploits those. Lies not really but not really fair either but it does seem to work for them. The adverts that focus more on the positive features of the Mac are better, but it seems less funny - but remember these are aimed at the switcher crowds not the Mac Users. Bundling? If you mean by that including Safari, Mail and iLife, I think this is no bad thing at all and Apple is very good at promoting rival companies software apps on their website, even offering downloads of them so the competition is there. Hardcore users? You may have a point and it is through reading this blog that my opinion of Windows has changed. Six months ago had you asked me about Windows I would have said everybody would be better off with a Mac. Now I don't think so. What you are used to and is working for you is probably best. If I have friends who have never come to grips with Windows I will suggest trying a Mac but I am beginning to think like Paul that they are more for tech and specialist crowd. It is a bit different for me as I have had Macs for 12 years and am used to it. There are some Windows fans on certain forums who are incredibly hostile to Mac Users and I think that sometimes provokes a bit of a reaction. It certainly isn't very nice to be told 'go back to media studies' when you are trying to discuss some IT point. The other thing is that I am having an excellent experience with Windows XP on my Mac Pro. I am not sure whether it is the hardware or drivers but I am really enjoying it and if I have a need to go to Vista or Windows 7 I certainly wouldn't mind putting it on a hard drive (4T of storage :-) )

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