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Jul. 31, 2008 Paul Thurrott | Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows

So I wrote a little news story today noting that Microsoft missed its target of selling 20 million Windows Mobile licenses in its fiscal year 2008, which ended June 30. Here’s the company’s take on this news:

We are excited to announce that Windows Mobile had yet another year of high growth, closing out the 2008 fiscal year by nearly doubling the overall expansion of the market.

As we are enter Fiscal Year 2009, we are preparing for an equally exciting year. Through the magic of Windows Mobile software, services and partner relationships, Microsoft is poised to continue with its impressive growth.

In fact, IDC expects Windows Mobile phones to continue to outsell Apple iPhones in both consumer and enterprise shipments, and by 2012, Windows Mobile is expected to double sales over the iPhone in the consumer space, and have nearly nine times the amount of enterprise deployments.

Looking ahead, Microsoft’s unique vision and approach will continue to create opportunities for the partners and the entire industry, while connecting people to the information they care about most.

Below are some key pieces of information.

  • Windows Mobile sold more than 18 million licenses in fiscal year 2008, seeing triple digit gains in France, Latin America, Central and Eastern Europe, Japan and India.
  • Consumers today can enjoy a number of Windows Mobile 6.1 phones, including the HTC Diamond, Touch Pro, and Samsung Omnia, and anticipation is rising for upcoming devices such as the Sony Xperia X1. 
  • We continued strengthening our position in the enterprise evident by 363 lighthouse wins (500 devices or more) which equaled 1.4m total licenses; 91 were competitive (meaning a RIM BES server was decommissioned).
  • We have more than 18,000 Windows Mobile applications, recently adding applications from Bloomberg, Reuters, and SAP, giving people the choice and flexibility they demand.
  • We are continuing to leverage acquisitions including Danger, MobiComp, Musiwave, and aQuantive to deliver the best mobile experience in the market.

Fair enough. Still, I have a hard time embracing Windows Mobile as an innovative, exciting, or even interesting platform. You never know.

Discuss this Article 215

mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Wow. almost 10 minutes so far and nobody from the iCabal has commented on how Paul's negative comments on Windows Mobile are somehow an unfair attack on Apple.
Tero
on Jul 31, 2008
Funny how MS only addresses Apple as its competitor when the reason for its not selling more licenses is elsewhere. Consider: "Windows Mobile sold more than 18 million licenses in fiscal year 2008" If I remember correctly, Nokia sells on average more Symbian-S60 devices and licenses in a single quarter. MS's direct competitor, RIM, is growing fast globally, too. I wonder if people who buy iPhones even consider Windows Mobile in the first place. They are aimed at different segments anyway. iPhone resides in the consumer segment, while Windows Mobile is an enterprise-oriented solution. Why does MS boast about their selling more Windows Mobiles than Apple sells iPhones? Why is this relevant? Or are they simply trying to sugar-coat their years-long failure in the mobile phone space by diverting people's attention to irrelevant matters such that it looks as if they were actually successful...
lotsamystuff
on Jul 31, 2008
Wow. WinJihadist Mike is the first to attempt to turn the attention from Microsoft's failure to meet its own sales target and its continuing less-than-stellar performance in this area by setting up a straw man.
brandon.pope
on Jul 31, 2008
@Tero Interesting point. I think Windows Mobile aims to be as much a consumer device as it does an enterprise device. If you go to the official WM website you will see that most of the pages are dominated with personalization stuff, media stuff, and the like. Of course business users done care about those things, but MSFT wants to push Windows Mobile further into the consumer segment. Do I think they can be successful at this? Well, they are directly competing with the iPhone in that pursuit and the iPhone is quite a bit more impressive to put it lightly. You are right to say they should be more focused on RIM. Maybe this is another area to apply Paul's 2 SKU theory for Windows. Maybe there should be the extremely business oriented version of Windows Mobile to put on your Blackjack or Moto Q, and then a new fun and personal version (maybe tied in with the zune) on a single piece of new hardware in iPhone fashion.
BrightrevCarl
on Jul 31, 2008
The good part is that competition will force Microsoft to make Windows Mobile better, fix the start menu centric-interface and so on. This is a good thing as I'm not much of a fan of the current version.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Well, that didn't take long...
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Now, to point out what all of you seem to have missed in your "They're picking on the Jesus Phone" whines... The iPhone is mentioned in only 1 paragraph and that was citing an IDC report. Paul's comments never mentioned the iPhone. RIM was mentioned in 1 bullet. Nothing else even mentions competitors. Odd that you all seem to think this is an attack on Apple.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
Here a question for your Mike, only talking MS products now, IF Exchange Server did not exist how may WM licenses do you think they would sell? I am thinking no many. Considerably less than any other vendor. WM blows chunks, always has but....it works great and was the only thing that worked great with Exchange until now.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake, Who knows. If LCDs didn't exist, how many smartphones would exist? It exists and people love Exchange integration on their Windows Mobile phones. Even Apple had to license it (and pathetically call it ActiveStink on stage) Of course, for a product that you think "blows chunks" Windows Mobile went from 11M to 18M sales in the past year. That's a 64% growth rate (since Apple fans keep saying how year over year growth rate is all that matters) in the same year they gained a very visible "competitor" (I use quotes since people here keep saying that WM and iPhone don't compete - but only when faced with WM sales numbers)
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
Yep you missed the point completely. You brought up iCabal or whatever its called. MS should not have even mention the iPhone...at all. BB yes. WM is by far a business product and the iPhone is by far a consumer product. My point is this, Windows Mobile has success because it is the best mobile OS for Exchange or was until the iPhone 2.0 firmware 20 days ago or whatever. Exchange is very popular in the business world and WM compared to BB is free as in you dont need to buy a BES server and CAL's for you BB clients, since WM connects to your OWA server that you already have. So people want WM access to Exchange data, IT budgets like WM over BB because of the much lower cost, Exchange is used by something like 70% of corporations so......WM is going to automatically going to generate sales, lots of them, especially since Exchange has sold over 100million licenses. That said, as a long time Exchange administrator, most people HATE, WM, it locks up, it never closes applications, it gets put on many underpowered phones.
DarkSages
on Jul 31, 2008
Also remember that Microsoft bought that cell phone company that makes the sidekick. This happen right after the iPhone first came out and windows mobile 7 is looking really good if they made their own zune phone. Also windows mobile has many companies developing devices and htc right now is doing great at it. Windows mobile is also very flexible it is really easy to create apps for it since it uses similar code/tools to windows. We can all go back and fort on iPhone VS WM Vs Android VS... but we wont know until the next generation phones come out in the end of 2009/2010. I think it could go either way.
Dude1313
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake, you are wasting your breath here: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikegalos As if he is going to be anything but biased.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Dude So what did I say that was biased? Really. Back up your attacks or don't bother.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake Windows Mobile doesn't separate "Business" and "Consumer" phones and, apparently, neither do Apple or RIM based on Apple's enterprise push or RIM's consumer advertising. If Microsoft hadn't mentioned iPhone at all, the response would almost certainly have been, "Microsoft's afraid to mention the iPhone. Guess Apple's really hurting them." Given all the press that Apple's product has generated, not mentioning it would have been the story had Microsoft gone that way.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
DarkSages, A small correction. Microsoft bought the company that makes the software used on the Sidekick, not a phone company or the hardware company that makes it. As for developing apps, absolutely. You don't get 18,000 applications for a phone without a good SDK. And that's certainly a low number. I've written several for either personal or limited use and I know quite a few other developers who have written WM apps that were never meant for commercial or corporate distribution. It's just easy to do if you already know .NET programming. As for the 2009/10 timeframe. I'd agree that will be an interesting time in this segment of the industry. The growth phase has barely started.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
SacredCow Comparing me to Bill Orally is fighting words.
Dude1313
on Jul 31, 2008
Mike- Attack? Hardly. I am merely pointing out that based on your work history you are hardly going to be overly crtical or negative about Apple and rarely critical about anything MS related. And in all actuality I'm fine with that. Why you ask? Because you don't feign to be a fan of Apple unlike a certain someone whose name graces this "Windows Supersite", but is anything but. Think back to your MS days, despite what I'm sure will be a firm denial its apparent that MS is/has been/always will be focused on what is coming out of 1 Infinite Loop. Witness Ballmer's latest email to the troops at Redmond for proof. For a company that is 3.5% of the WW marketshare, MS sure seems to obsessive about them, and Google, but that is another issue altogether. And SacredCow is kinda right in his analysis. This blog and your commentary has indeed made this the "Fox News" of the IT blog-o'sphere. Which again is fine when put into context, but in a way reminds me of why I'm not fond of either political party and find Fox News skewed despite their protestations to the contrary, much like this blog, but I digress into the political banter. And lastly asking for the Apple partisans to chime in. Troll much? You'll find that many people here read the non-apple threads (of which there are less and less) and do not comment on them. Its the taking Apple to task (often unfairly) or with inane or hyperbolic statements that causes the comments. Lastly, is this your blog now? Could have sworn it had Paul's name on it...
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Dude, btw: thanks for reminding me that I hadn't updated my LinkedIn profile in a while.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
HOLY MS FANGIRL that linked in profile was hilarious!!!! Never use your real name in a blog. Wow just wow! I think Weelittleonhorn is really an alias for Mike:) More like the Keith Olbermann with his zealous for MS!
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Dude, Thinking back to my Microsoft employee days (and that was a while ago), for most of it, Apple was both a major competitor and a major partner. That's often the way it is in this industry. Personally, I wish that Macintosh was more of a serious competitor and the fact that they've been stagnant at around the 3% mark for over a decade is something I personally find sad. The fact that they've given up on doing their own OS and have fallen back on using Unix is something I find actually tragic. Personally, I wish they were back to innovating in the computing field rather than focusing on chic consumer electronics. It was good for the industry. The reason I've been posting here has been the mind numbing proliferation of fact-free posts (now there's your FOX analogue) bashing Vista and Microsoft. You'll note that I don't tend to reply without facts and I do my homework first. I do tend to point out when the anti-Microsoft partisans use different rules for products and people they like versus ones they've decided to dislike. I also tend to post when people post opinions as fact or post things as fact that are flat out wrong. I wouldn't call that biased. I'd call that keeping the discussion honest.
shark47
on Jul 31, 2008
"HOLY MS FANGIRL that linked in profile was hilarious!!!! Never use your real name in a blog. Wow just wow! I think Weelittleonhorn is really an alias for Mike:) More like the Keith Olbermann with his zealous for MS!" I guess when you have no valid argument, you use every little piece of information that you get from the internet, eh? Sad.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake I always use my real name precisely because I don't think ignorance helps a discussion. The fact that I have a few decades playing a serious role in the heart of this industry is hardly something I'd want to hide and might help people know both where I'm coming from and what expertise I bring to the discussion. Now, as for comparing me to Keith Olbermann, that I'll take as high praise, indeed.
JamesNT
on Jul 31, 2008
Paul, "Still, I have a hard time embracing Windows Mobile as an innovative, exciting, or even interesting platform" I'll take Windows Mobile over that stupid iPhone any day. JamesNT
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
Your just like him, why not be happy with the Keith resemblance. I am not a fan of Bill O hardly at all, think he loves him self a bit to much, but the few times I have actually watched his show, he is the closest thing that network has to "Fair and Balanced", not close at all really but he at least he invites people on his show that I know he cant stand, talks to them nicely, polite, with tact and lets them talk. Even thanks them for being "brave" for coming on his show. Keith on the other hand (while I agree with 98% of his message) is a first class in, your face Jack @r$$e. He lives to put people down to the point....his points are muted. He cant shut up about Bill O, daily almost, yet Bill O (from what I have seen) never says anything about him. Only guests I see on Keiths show are politicians that totally agree with him, or Hollywood talking idiots that help him put down Bill O and crowd.....so mature. Maybe that is why Bil Ol is killing him in raitings. So Keith I have no problem with posting your work history on the net, be free with it. I mean it was already totally obvious you were MS biased to the bone, coming into every conversation with a THANG for putting down Apple, lots of times when it does not fit into the conversation (see post 1 of this thread) this just helps us with any smidgen of doubt we may have had. Peace Keith.....Paul, MS and MSNBC has got your back.
Master3
on Jul 31, 2008
@JamesNT I guess I'm unsure as to why thurrott doesn't like WinMobile. I will admit when I bough an old WM device running WinMobile2003, I thought it was just plain awful. At best I managed to put a Millipede clone on it for kicks. However I recently bought a Pocket PC with WM6 and I have been really impressed with it. Yeah it needed a better task manager, which was an easy freeware download for me, but it has really been a nice device and OS to have. Having hundreds of thousands of programs, and the ability to customize the heck out of it, doesn't hurt either. I guess I need a better idea of what he thinks "innovative, exciting, or even interesting platform" entails.
Dude1313
on Jul 31, 2008
JamesNT said: Paul, "Still, I have a hard time embracing Windows Mobile as an innovative, exciting, or even interesting platform" I'll take Windows Mobile over that stupid iPhone any day. JamesNT However if MS came up the iPhone with Angels would be singing and world peace would follow soon thereafter... My contentions is that Paul wishes for the same thing; An Apple iPhone experience sans the Apple logo. And as soon as one comes close, look out. You'll take WinMo over the iPhone? Previously I was considering the Blackjack until I saw what it was running on, then ran away from it as fast as I could. You can put lipstick on a pig... its still a pig which is all WM 6 is.
Dude1313
on Jul 31, 2008
Mike you keep harping on UNIX as if its a bad thing. Backbone of the intrawebs and all, pretty much says it all.
shark47
on Jul 31, 2008
"MS should not have even mention the iPhone...at all. BB yes. WM is by far a business product and the iPhone is by far a consumer product. " Very good argument ... except that devices like HTC Diamond are actually consumer devices.So, Microsoft mentioning Apple once in the paragraph is just as relevant as your beloved Mac ads.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 31, 2008
"Comparing me to Bill Orally is fighting words." He didn't compare you orally. He compared you in writing. Sheesh... ;-)
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
Yeah so many consumers are waiting in line for the HTC Diamond. I bet there will be a line forming what 10....15 seconds before it goes on sale?
shark47
on Jul 31, 2008
"However if MS came up the iPhone with Angels would be singing and world peace would follow soon thereafter..." The good thing about Apple is that they get people to want stuff that no one really needs. Of course, they're helped by their army of journalists like Pogue and Goatberg. If Microsoft had come up with a product like the iPhone, it would have been universally panned and a big failure.
shark47
on Jul 31, 2008
"Yeah so many consumers are waiting in line for the HTC Diamond. I bet there will be a line forming what 10....15 seconds before it goes on sale?" Wait. How does that help your argument that the iPhone doesn't compete with Windows Mobile? I guess it's hard for you to say you were wrong without being snarky.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Dude Unix was a good idea for a teletype and serial communication world at AT&T in 1970. But that's eons ago in computer terms and the underpinnings (null termination, ipc via sequential serial character streams, etc) are something that holds back the industry. Yes, a modern Unix has new stuff on top of that but the core is too old to justify itself and everything has to work with that crufty core. As for "backbone of the interwebs and all that", it also explains why we still have spam. The old protocols weren't built for this kind of world and maintaining compatibility with those old protocols (the are "STANDARDS" you know) is why email is such a nightmare. Everybody (but the Unix diehards) including Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get those underpinning ripped out but...
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
shark47 Can you imagine what the outcry would have been if a Microsoft phone had shipped with only admin level accounts for all software and firmware, had weak passwords that were not even salted and were obtained by the hacker community via a dictionary attack within a week of shipping? Or if they introduced a radio stack that dropped voice calls when you drove from a 3G to a 2G cell? (Ask Guy Kawasaki about that one) But, on the Apple side, near silence.
Master3
on Jul 31, 2008
@shark47 "If Microsoft had come up with a product like the iPhone, it would have been universally panned and a big failure." All of the little bugs and annoyances, instead of being played down and justified as they are sometimes with the iPhone, would be drilled as proof positive of Microsoft's incompetence. Dude1313 said: JamesNT said: Paul, "Still, I have a hard time embracing Windows Mobile as an innovative, exciting, or even interesting platform" I'll take Windows Mobile over that stupid iPhone any day. @JamesNT "My contentions is that Paul wishes for the same thing; An Apple iPhone experience sans the Apple logo. And as soon as one comes close, look out. You'll take WinMo over the iPhone? Previously I was considering the Blackjack until I saw what it was running on, then ran away from it as fast as I could. You can put lipstick on a pig... its still a pig which is all WM 6 is." What exactly is this experience? Is it the fancy transitions between various screens or nice looking icons? What exactly is this defined as? And what exactly makes WM6 a pig? I'm seriously curious.
Waethorn
on Jul 31, 2008
"I think Weelittleonhorn is really an alias for Mike" Sorry, but I don't put up with your american BS. ....er....
dgrisman
on Jul 31, 2008
I think this use of ActiveSync in the iPhone was just the beginning. I predict that the next iPhone (code named "XV" since it will add "cut and paste" capability) will also have WM functionality. Steve Jobs will want a piece of the WM biz by offering a dual-boot iPhone, both OSX lite and WM7. Why? Because by then, WM7 will have increased MS app capability: Not only Word, Excel, and PPT, but also Access, Project, Visio, and a Sql Srv client, not to mention an improved Terminal services client for remote access of Vista running on your Mac at home. People years from now will recognize that Bootcamp was the start down the slippery slope for Apple.
Waethorn
on Jul 31, 2008
"WM7 will have increased MS app capability: Not only Word, Excel, and PPT, but also Access, Project, Visio, and a Sql Srv client, not to mention an improved Terminal services client for remote access of Vista running on your Mac at home" They already have SQL Server Compact available for applications on Windows Mobile. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=38ED2670-A70A-4... I kind of wonder if someone could make up a WM app that does photo management and editing, and ties into the SQL Compact db from Windows Live Photo Gallery on the desktop. WL Photo Gallery ALSO uses SQL Compact - just the full desktop Windows edition of it. Hmm.... Terminal Services on Windows Mobile already connects to Windows Vista on any system too. The client software just utilizes the RDP protocol. The server does most of the work.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
"it also explains why we still have spam" Yeah because it could not be the billion windows boxes (says Paul) that are hacked to pieces and turned into zombies. No its the UNIX servers that run the back bone of the internet....yeah thats it.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
dgrisman SQL Server has been around for Windows Mobile for a while. I don't know whether we'll see an iPhone Bootcamp or an iPhone Parallels (persoally, I doubt it) but Steve Jobs touting 3 ways to run Windows apps as one of the key new features of Leopard was not a good sign for future Macintosh specific apps. When the app you wrote for 96% of the market runs acceptably on the next 3.5% of the market, there's little incentive to do separate apps for that 3.5%. (Not zero, but not a lot) That was the mistake IBM made with their "Better Windows than Windows" campaign for OS/2 Warp. Most of the devs said, "Hmmm, my existing winapps work fine on OS/2. Why hassle with writing a separate OS/2 app?" and they lost their remaining developer base. You can do that for compatibility or transition if you're the leader (like the OS/2 or Posix subsystems in Windows NT, Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications in Vista Ultimate or HyperV in Windows Server 2008) but when you're #2 it is a losing game.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snakedoctor. Nope. You're flat out wrong on this one. Spam exists because of the design of the Internet's Unix-based email protocols. Sorry to break it to you. It can't be changed without killing interop of all those mail servers. It's been a source of industry debate and flat out fighting for well over a decade now.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
"Wait. How does that help your argument that the iPhone doesn't compete with Windows Mobile?" Well lets see, nobody but Windows Mobile users/business customers will know about the HTC phone, and I am guessing there will be hardly any news (mainstream news that consumers watch) and their wont be lines of consumer types out in front of the stores its sold at for days before its launched....so I am pretty sure is easy for most to see the difference, between the consumer oriented iPhone and the HTC oriented buisness/Exchange user. I would never say that WM phones are ONLY for buisness and that the iPhone is ONLY a consumer phone in fact I did not...... "WM is by far a business product and the iPhone is by far a consumer product" Various phone vendors are trying fancy up WM (see lip stick on a pig) and go consumer oriented but so far they have not had much luck.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
Dam the BIAS Keith, sorry I dont bite. I mean your leader Mr. Gates said that SPAM was going to be gone by now just two years ago....using the MS email ID solution??? What happened? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2004/11/21/gates-believes-spam-will-be... Let see that was in late 04, so two year later Vista came out....maybe he thought it was going to sell like the iPhone, and that UAC would stop the zombies. Your logic is like saying the freeways are killing people on the road, not the drunk drivers. Nice try Keith.
Waethorn
on Jul 31, 2008
BTW: I used a Blackberry Bold 8130 today, and all I have to say is the keyboard is a complete joke. When typing in certain fields, you have to click a button twice to get the second letter on it. Ok, that's fine and all. But in the browser, some fields don't work like that. Instead they only accept the first button press, so if you press twice, it figures you want the first letter TWICE. Only if you press the first letter, then backspace (marked "DEL" on the keypad instead), and then press the same button again, does it give you the second letter. The dropdown suggestion box also tends to capitalize many words that have been typed in lowercase. Overall, a completely frustrating ordeal, and not worth the $0 that Cdn mobile providers are offering it for. I guess there's a reason why they give them away. I realize that my aging Q is still far better. Waiting for the Touch Diamond to come out on Telus.... Also, has anybody heard that Telus and Bell are switching to GSM/HSPA? It's apparently quite true....both are making the move primarily because they are big sponsers of the 2010 Olympics and want to have global network support. The change will be permanent when it's finalized though. It would seem that only US providers will still be sitting on CDMA/EVDO networks.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Consumer or Business, over eighteen million people last year thought Windows Mobile was the right choice for them. (Just bringing things back on topic)
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
"I think Weelittleonhorn is really an alias for Mike" Sorry, but I don't put up with your american BS. ....er.... Um Ok Keith:)
Waethorn
on Jul 31, 2008
"Steve Jobs touting 3 ways to run Windows apps as one of the key new features of Leopard was not a good sign for future Macintosh specific apps" The 11th major OS release for Mac machines will be, quite literally, Windows 8.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake "I would never say that WM phones are ONLY for buisness and that the iPhone is ONLY a consumer phone in fact I did not...... "WM is by far a business product and the iPhone is by far a consumer product"" So, of course then you'd be fine with: "Apple is by far a company that makes MP3 players", right? If so, I'll be sure to forward any mail from Macintosh and iPhone users unhappy with being trivialized out of existance to you. (In short, don't weasel word your way out of what you mean)
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 31, 2008
Snake, Gee, you did do some homework. The mail ID solution was one of the proposals to fix the broken Unix-based Internet mail protocols that cause spam that got blocked. (In this case, at least partly, because it was a Microsoft solution) As I said, "Everybody (but the Unix diehards) including Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get those underpinning ripped out but..." It has nothing to do with zombies. Those are relatively easy to fix. What can't be fixed is the REQUIRED lack of authentication on origin and routing locations that allow spammers to hide their locations. Since the protocols REQUIRE the holes to stay open you can't fix it and stay compliant.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 31, 2008
There goes that Keith logic. Apple is by far a consumer oriented company and yes a good chunk of their income comes from "MP3 Players" no doubt about it and I would imagine most people would agree. Does that mean they dont care about the business sector no not at all, but facts are facts. Just like MS is by far a business oriented company with most of its income coming from Office and Windows and most would agree (Paul included) but the also care about the consumer market.

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