You know MobileMe is a piece of junk when ... (Updated)

This one reads like a Jeff Foxworthy (of "you know you're a redneck when..." fame) joke. As in, you know MobileMe is a piece of @#$% when even Walter Mossberg, the world's most prominent support of Apple products, can't find anything good to say about it. I look back, smiling, on the weird emails I got a few days ago regarding my "MobileMe tirade" (which was nothing of the sort). But let's not beat around the bush. I expect you guys to email complaints to Walter as well. Go on, you can do it.

In the meantime, we can all enjoy the sight of the reality distortion field crashing down over at the Wall Street Journal. Doesn't the sun just feel nice on your face sometimes?

Apple's MobileMe Is Far Too Flawed To Be Reliable

After a week of intense testing of the service, I can't recommend Apple's MobileMe, at least not in its current state. It's a great idea, but, as of now, MobileMe has too many flaws to keep its promises.

The problems I am citing are systemic.

In my tests, using two Macs, two Dell computers and two iPhones, I ran into problem after problem. One big issue is that while changes made on the Web site or the iPhone are instantly pushed to the computers, changes made on computers are only synced every 15 minutes, at best. Apple has admitted that this is a problem, and says it is working on it.

But there's more. The Web site was sluggish, and occasionally calendar entries wouldn't load at all. Sometimes, you have to manually refresh the Web pages to see changes made on your devices. And when I tried to open my Web-based file-storage page directly from the MobileMe control panel on Windows, I got an error message on both Dells.

My MobileMe calendar, which originated on a Mac, didn't flow into the main Outlook calendar, but appeared as a separate calendar in Outlook, which was visible only by changing settings. My address-book groups on the Mac, which are simply distribution lists, didn't show up as distribution lists in Outlook, but as separate address books, and they also weren't immediately visible.

Other problems abounded.

If Apple does get MobileMe working smoothly, it could be a terrific service. But it's way too ragged now.

I guess that could be said of any product. For example, "if the Ford F150 just got 36 MPG, it would be a fine vehicle for today's world of high gas prices."

And ... "Intense testing"?  :) Come on.

But whatever. There's isn't a bit of Apple praise in this entire review, which has to be a first. (OK, he does note that Apple "patiently" explained why all of these errors were happening. Admitting you have a problem is, after all, the first step.)

So, good job, Mr. Mossberg. And good for you in actually using two Dells, and not the usual three-year-old/barely-working Sony laptop you always cite. Real people use Windows, all the time, really, in the real world. And unlike the "impressive magic" cited in David Pogue's Apple-centric MobileMe review, this one touches on the reality of how bad this thing really is. I'm curious, however, how the broken Photo Gallery Web app wasn't mentioned at all. If anything, that's the worst part of MobileMe. (And trust me, it's hard deciding which of the many broken parts of MobileMe are "worst".)

And speaking of Pogue: I would just point out that he's back to writing about digital cameras again. All I'm saying is, I called it.

UPDATE: He tries to point the finger of blame anywhere but at himself, but now even David Pogue is madly backtracking from his original review of MobileMe. Seriously, this is the right thing to do, but don't pretend it worked fine when you tested it, Mr. Pogue. MobileMe has never worked. But thanks to David for pointing that out. I'd never have seen it otherwise, and for what I hope are obvious reasons.

Discuss this Article 64

Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
"And speaking of Pogue: I would just point out that he's back to writing about digital cameras again. All I'm saying is, I called it." Is your marble collection better than his as well?
johnbaxter
on Jul 24, 2008
One change that did make it from my iPhone calendar to all 3 Macs was a fix of an hour-off weekly meeting item. I then fixed it on the web, and the fix is everywhere. (I'm not--and wasn't initially--planning to use MobileMe on either my Vista laptop or my bootcamp installation of XP (Vista upgrade on the truck, ready for a company firewall upgrade which will remove last need for XP for management program).) Be nice to Paul--let him enjoy his trip to the Emerald Isle.
joe-dokes
on Jul 24, 2008
So should we kick Walt out of the iCabal and initiate him as a winjihadist? No really Paul, if you'd open your eyes you'd notice that the Apple community has been and continues to be critical of Apple products. Further, since it is now clear that Apple is criticized by someone other than you, is it time for you to STFU about how Apple gets a free ride in the tech media? Or is simply the exception that proves the rule? Regards Joe Dokes
Rasken
on Jul 24, 2008
LOL. Seems like Apple has officially adoped the ME monikor and decided to run with it like a real champion! The irony is absolutely priceless.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
Yep Apple finally copied something from MS, WindowsME is MobileME
aemarques
on Jul 24, 2008
@joe-dokes: yes, the exception simply proves the rule. Duh...
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
weedmonk
on Jul 24, 2008
Priceless The best part is that the Fanboi's will still shell out $100/yr for this 'revolutionary' and 'magical' leap into Apple's sorry arse attempt at Cloud computing. God forbid their engineers have to think beyond their little sandbox.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 24, 2008
"And speaking of Pogue: I would just point out that he's back to writing about digital cameras again." ...and Paul is back to being a smarmy WinJihadist. All is right with the world.
johnpapola
on Jul 24, 2008
Paul, first of all, I agree with you and Walt. MobileMe is a disaster right now. It's new features are an unreliable mess and the web UI is too slow even on fast computers. It's windows support is unacceptably below par. And all these problems only highlight the fact that this is a paid service which should work better, not worse than free alternatives. All that said... Ah yes. The light does feel great. The light of reality that Walt Mossberg is an honest reviewer and always has been. That the "iCabal" is a rhetorical strawman that's easily blown apart by reality. Walt has reviewed many Apple products well (as have you, paul) because many of them are great. Leopard is arguably better than Windows in many many ways and Walt is being honest to point that out. Walt is respected for a reason. And the rest of the Mac web has been very critical of MobileMe too. On the other hand, you're probably one of the one Apple bloggers to ignore Apple's apology and free additional month of service. Please point out if I've missed you comment on that. So... drop the strawman tactics and have the confidence in your honest criticism to let it stand without discoloring smears. It'd be far more professional.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
@weedmonk http://join.msn.com/premium/features $124.99 a year with no mobile sync:)
WebGuy3000
on Jul 24, 2008
Walt has had his iCabal card revoked, and the secret handshake has been changed, just to be safe. Pogue is the new official high priest, and even he better watch his step, after writing "There were bugs, glitches and error messages for days, making it one of the most ham-handed launches in Apple history." There's a big strategy meeting of the iCabal brass Friday evening at Steve's house. Email iCabal_info@apple.com if you're interested in attending.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
I had .mac before this botched launch. Its web mail was functional but never really fast, but then again I might use webmail once a month....maybe. Through this launch I my desktop mail app in Leopard has worked 100% and I use it daily. The webmail was half @$$ for the first week the few times I tried it just to see what it was like. As of this am it works fine as good as .Mac or faster, all of it better looking. Syncing my contacts to my iTouch has worked since I upgraded to the 2.0 firmware a few days ago, and 80 or so contacts came down to it in about 5 seconds. I have not tried it from a PC, the syncing part that is so I dont know. My photo galleries and web site has worked the entire time as well. I have not tried to update either though as I have had no reason too.
daveinla
on Jul 24, 2008
"If Apple does get MobileMe working smoothly" "if the Ford F150 just got 36 MPG" In you parallel you mean it's an utopia to have Mobile Me working flawlessly ? Because a F150 making 36 is one. The F150 doesn't advertise 36mpg, hence you can't expect it to make 36mpg. One can expect MobileMe to work as advertised eventually even though it's unusable in its current state. It's a big difference.
jocal69
on Jul 24, 2008
When will microsoft just package all their live services in a single interface so we can just abandon mobileme completely. Really, now with live calendar, the outlook connector, skydrive (if they up the storage), mesh, etc, they could really put together a much nicer (and cheaper) alternative. Maybe Mesh will eventually become that interface, but come on microsoft, hurry!!!!!
tayme
on Jul 24, 2008
@daveinla - Are you here only to disagree daily with something that Paul blogs on? Since you couldn't honestly disagree that Mobile Me is a mess, you had to disagree with Paul's parallel? Wow...that is sad!!! --tayme
daveinla
on Jul 24, 2008
Chill out tayme take a deep breath !!! If you can't stand people commenting don't read the comment man ! ;-) First I'm not here daily to disagree with everything Paul says. I agree with his statement that MobileMe is unusable right now, like many 1.0 Apple product release. I said that Paul implied no one should expect Mobile Me to deliver eventually which is wrong I think. No offense man. Apple really sucks at testing its products, and I don't get why the didn't do a "beta" like gmail had a even a tech preview like Live mesh has. It could have been an opt-in for current .Mac users to try and they could have iron out the kinks. They would not be so liable at least. But in Apple fashion they thought they had it nailed and failed... when will they learn ? ... Apple's success make them really overly confident I guess.
johnpapola
on Jul 24, 2008
For the record, Paul said on the Windows Weekly podcast that Apple has a good track record of improving their products and that there's no reason to expect any different with MobileMe.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 24, 2008
So... Mossberg writes, "If Apple does get MobileMe working smoothly, it could be a terrific service. But it's way too ragged now." Thurrott responds with smarmy criticism of Mossberg. But take a look at the archives. Thurrott wrote virtually the same thing in his MobileMe article: "MobileMe is a bit too unsettling and rough around the edges to get excited about just yet. Wait and see." This is what irks so many of us about what passes for analysis on this site. Mossberg says to wait and see, and he's roundly criticized as a member of the supposed Cabal that Paul invented. But Paul himself said basically the same thing, and he gives himself a pass. Unreal.
shark47
on Jul 24, 2008
Yes, Paul was pretty hars on Walt Mossberg. Even though Walt, on several occassions has proven himself to be a member of the iCabal, he was reasonably unbiased in this instance. However, it's funny to see that many of the lotsas on this site don't have a problem with Apple because their service is buggy, but with Paul for pointing it out repeatedly. Awesome!
will5
on Jul 24, 2008
You may want to check Pogue's site. http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/apples-mobilemess/ You may have written the sarcasm to soon.
chuckb84
on Jul 24, 2008
You know, the personal attacks on Mossberg and Pogue have become really tedious. A few samples of what Paul has said over the years: "I'm terminally tired of the over-hyped and unimpressive Walter Mossberg." "Oh, and though Walt Mossberg is an Apple toady and a windbag, his review is mostly accurate." "On the other hand, pinch me, did Apple suck-up Walter Mossberg actually just criticize an Apple product?" "Jobs quotes from a predictably glowing Walter "Apple Lover(tm)" Mossberg review" Paul, criticize the products, sure, factually critique the reviews, but the personal attacks on the reviewers just make you look a fool. I don't know what it is you can't get over---your tiny audience compared to Mossberg (and Pogue)?---but get over it and act like a grownup. Mossberg has repeatedly proven himself to be a fair reporter on technology. You USED to be that way, until your iCabal phase started.
rjohn05
on Jul 24, 2008
Did they NOT have a beta? Looks like Apple just released a product without an extended beta period.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
@ johnpapola the Paul that is on windows weekly with Leo is a totally different Paul, totally different. I think he has to be polite there since Leo is a such a all around nice guy to everyone, and never really puts down to many things, or at least harshly like Paul does here. So I think the Paul on Windows weekly is the fake/public Paul. The Paul here in this blog, the real Paul that has got some crazy, weird daily Apple bashing fetish. Or the Paul here is the TMZ Paul. Sh!t talking all the time, to stir the pot to get readers like the trash TMZ TV.
johnpapola
on Jul 24, 2008
@snake. Yep. It's hard not to take his writing here as blatant pandering... or to take his tone on the podcast as him biting his tongue for the sake of his host, without which he'd have no podcast of note at all. Either way, the discontinuity is a very big problem for his credibility. Frankly, it's like a politician. Only this politician also goes on massive high-minded rants about the faults of his fellow politicians. hypocrisy. plain and simple.
shark47
on Jul 24, 2008
Again,Paul might have been snarky, but he's not the only one who thinks Walt is biased: http://tinyurl.com/6dgj7d "As if Apple wasn't having enough problems with its launch of MobileMe, its usually reliable friend Walt Mossberg has recommended that people stay far away from the service." "As an aside, an informal poll of the CNET staff could not turn up the last Apple product that Mossberg flat-out panned. The closest we came was the original Motorola Rokr phone, which to be fair, nobody liked."
lotsamystuff
on Jul 24, 2008
"However, it's funny to see that many of the lotsas on this site don't have a problem with Apple because their service is buggy" Where did I say that? Seriously, point it out to me, because I'd love to know. I have a SERIOUS problem with buggy service, and the MobileMe intro has been a complete headache. Enough so that I won't be renewing. The one good thing dot-mac had going for it was sync, and they've managed to muck that up so badly that I don't even care any more. Between this, the iMovie debacle and the buggy mess that is Leopard, yeah you bet I have a problem with Apple. Still beats the alternative, but I never said I didn't have a problem.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 24, 2008
"You may want to check Pogue's site. You may have written the sarcasm to [sic] soon." Nah, Paul will probably claim Pogue's just parroting what he said, i.e., "iCabalist David Pogue finally discovers what the rest of us have been saying since its introduction: Apple's MobileMe is a mess." Just watch.
daveinla
on Jul 24, 2008
Pogue: "It’s amazing that Apple doesn’t recognize this situation. This is an airplane that’s stuck on the runway for hours with no food or working bathroom. And the pilot doesn’t come on the P.A. system to tell the customers what the problem is, what’s being done to fix it, how much longer they might be stuck, and how he empathizes with their plight. Instead, he comes on once every three hours to repeat the same thing: “We apologize for the inconvenience.” MobileMess, indeed." Wow that's harsh but deserved ! Paul could have written that !
shark47
on Jul 24, 2008
"Where did I say that? Seriously, point it out to me, because I'd love to know." OK. Maybe you didn't. But you do seem to have a huge problem when Paul points out flaws in Apple's software. "Nah, Paul will probably claim Pogue's just parroting what he said, i.e., 'iCabalist David Pogue finally discovers what the rest of us have been saying since its introduction: Apple's MobileMe is a mess.'" I think he's right to use the "I told you so" line in this case. He pointed out problems with MobileMe long before Pogue or Mossberg did. And it's not like his smarmy remarks are restricted to Apple. He's been pretty critical of Microsoft off late too. Just read some of his recent posts about Windows Mobile.
tayme
on Jul 24, 2008
@will5 - "You may want to check Pogue's site. " I like Pogues and/or some disgruntled customers use of "ImmobileMe" "Some users have been having problems with their e-mail in particular, and we are trying to restore the service as soon as possible. We’re very thankful for our loyal customers’ patience as we work out the kinks.” - Is this an example of Apple's stellar support that we have read and heard so much about. It sounds a lot like what I personally have heard at the "Genius Bar". Keep in mind, I am not saying that the support that MS provides is better in any way...I'm just saying that Apple support is really no better, and this is just one example. --tayme
DRWAM
on Jul 24, 2008
Back to the MobileMe issue. I cannot understand why a multibillion dollar company, trying to get more Windows users or sell more iPhone would not test the heck out of this thing to release to reasonably stable and functional product. I dunno, but I think that some thrashing of the team would be appropriate. The bad publicity tends to linger and can have an effect on sales. At the very least, it would tarnish their reputation. Bad move.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 24, 2008
One day Apple will realize that you have to actually do a big beta test of an online product to get it working well on all platforms. Of course, that means Jobs can't walk out on stage and announce the new, secret product and Apple would have to stop suing any blog that talks about their beta products. So, basically they have the choice of releasing untested products or hurting Jobs' stage presence. I'm guessing they'll continue to do the former since their fans will forgive broken apps more than they'd forgive Stevie being less entertaining. The cost of an uncritical fanbase.
lotsamystuff
on Jul 24, 2008
"But you do seem to have a huge problem when Paul points out flaws in Apple's software." I have a problem with the tone and tenor of his remarks, as so beautifully consolidated above by "chuckb". My responding in kind probably doesn't make me much better, but I'm not the "professional" here. Supposedly Paul is, but he sounds more like the whiny little kid that got sand kicked in his face when it comes to Apple. His personal attacks are childish at best and unprofessional at worst. "I dunno, but I think that some thrashing of the team would be appropriate." Maybe Jobs should take a cue from Ballmer and start throwing some chairs.
DRWAM
on Jul 24, 2008
Good point Mike. I have my IT people sending me the info to get Exchange working for me at home. Knowing the cost of the software, those of us with Exchange would not have much use for MobileMe, especially on the corporate side. I guess other features for personal use may appeal to many, but only if they work. I still call this a blunder and kinda shameful too.
cesjr
on Jul 24, 2008
Poor Paul - his claim that Mossberg is biased never held any water. Mossberg just calls them like he sees them - he's a big ego and beholden to NO ONE. And now this review of Mobileme just shows, again, how clueless and offbase Paul is. I mean, the guy is just clueless. He actually thinks HE's objective -- a guy that derives his whole income from writing about MS products. While Walt - an independent journalist that makes probably a million bucks a year -- is supposedly kowtowing to apple for some reason. It's laughable position Paul, give it up.
tayme
on Jul 24, 2008
@cesjr - There's that claim about Paul claiming to be objective again...Please point me to where he has EVER claimed that before, then I will back down for pointing this out everytime you and others post something to that effect. --tayme
chuckb84
on Jul 24, 2008
So, Paul can't distinguish criticizing a product or the reviewer, but, the "iCabal" can. Not only have Mossberg and Pogue both trashed Apple over this, here's what's on Macdailynews---about as iCablist site as you'll find anywhere: "MacDailyNews Take: Just in case anybody missed our Take from Mossberg's excoriation of Apple's MobileMe earlier today, we'll repeat it here: "Apple screwed the pooch with their MobileMe launch. First impressions mean everything. See: Newton. It's painfully obvious that heads should roll over this mess. To those responsible: you failed. Miserably. If Jobs hasn't axed you yet, he should have. He probably wants you to try to fix it first, but, come on Steve: "Bozo Alert!" Get someone on this who knows what the hell they're doing. Apple MobileMe employees: Don't worry, it'll be fine, we hear that Microsoft is looking for people; you'll fit in just fine up there. In fact, so far, this whole MobileMe thing is positively Microsoftian, and that's being overly kind." We're pulling all ads for MobileMe until further notice. If we miss some or one of them slips through via third-party ad network, please do not subscribe to MobileMe until Apple gets their act together. We'll resume running ads for MobileMe when we're more confident in the service." But, of course, Mac web pages are just filled with sycophants, boot lickers and kool aid drinkers who uncritically and hypnotically accept the sayings of Chairman Jobs. Or, maybe Paul is hallucinatory.
tayme
on Jul 24, 2008
@chuckb84 - I was with you until this part of the post: "Don't worry, it'll be fine, we hear that Microsoft is looking for people; you'll fit in just fine up there. In fact, so far, this whole MobileMe thing is positively Microsoftian, and that's being overly kind." Now, why would they need to try to slam Microsoft in their comments about an Apple product? --tayme
johnpapola
on Jul 24, 2008
@Mike, "One day Apple will realize that you have to actually do a big beta test of an online product to get it working well on all platforms. Of course, that means Jobs can't walk out on stage and announce the new, secret product and Apple would have to stop suing any blog that talks about their beta products." I think you are dead right. Clearly, Apple doesn't grasp how this new market works. If MobileMe worked great from the start the way the iPhone did, that'd be one thing. But's it's had too many problems to be given a splash debut. Now, I will say that .mac has generally worked really well for me personally (minus a massive drop in iDisk upload speed and reliability last year). And mobileme is working pretty well for me now... but clearly not for everyone and clearly not well enough to be trust it 100%. Apple needs to embrace the beta process. This launch was a victim of hubris.
chuckb84
on Jul 24, 2008
@tayme I quoted them completely, not selectively. Yes, I agree, that part is the same shrill nonsense that Paul indulges in now. Unpleasant, isn't it? Apple has screwed the pooch big time on this one. Heads should role. I can't believe how slowly they are responding on this issue.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
@DRWAM I agree the launch was baaaaaad for sure. I have read that most of the problems was a catastrophic failure of one of the big Sun Clusters at one of the sites at the new hosting company Apple is using. However a failure during launch is bad news for sure. That said I am pretty sure, that MobileMe is not targeted at business users at all, hence Apple paid for ActiveSync license. MobileMe is also mostly a "Mac only" product. It was for sure until this upgrade and the Windows customers probably make up less than 1%. Still horrible launch either because of just poor planning or bad luck. I have no doubt it will get worked out.
shark47
on Jul 24, 2008
"Now, why would they need to try to slam Microsoft in their comments about an Apple product?" They don't even blame Apple or Steve Jobs for the problem - just a couple of programmers, who, according to them, should've been at Microsoft instead. Talk about pandering to the readers.
DRWAM
on Jul 24, 2008
Understood Snakey. It looks as f we all want tesing of a product to insure that it works as advertized. This mystery for marketing needs to go away. A good analogy is opening a big present at Christmas, finding that it was just what you wanted, only to find out that it doesn't work or is broken in the box. The excitement becomes sadness or anger. Friggin Santa! Next time we'll lace the cookies with rat poison! OK, that's kinda extreme, but you all get the point. The bad publicity will outway the WOW factor of the 'secret, one more thing' news.
mikegalos@msn.com
on Jul 24, 2008
@johnpapola "I think you are dead right. Clearly, Apple doesn't grasp how this new market works. If MobileMe worked great from the start the way the iPhone did, that'd be one thing. But's it's had too many problems to be given a splash debut." The problem is that this is traditional for Apple and was just more obvious with an online launch. It's very rare for an Apple product to go out the door after a Steve launch without a point release within two weeks. It's just another sign of the "secrecy and showmanship take precedence over external testing" that has become their hallmark. There's an old rule in software testing, the earlier you find the bug the cheaper it is to fix. When you don't do good beta testing and rely on only your internal testers you still will find almost all the bugs. Beta testing really only brings in a small number of bugs even in a massive beta and those are generally tied to configuration issues and issues of compatibility. This is why closed devices like the iPod and iPhone 1.0 can be internally tested fairly well. The problem with releasing wtihout a major beta is that what you find is so late in the process (in Apple's case after shipping) that you can't fix them economically and you can't fix some at all without rewrites of major areas. That software needs to be beta tested really shouldn't be a topic for discussion. It's been a given for a long, long time.
cesjr
on Jul 24, 2008
tayme, I'm pretty darn certain Paul has made claims to being objective. But in any event, does it matter? Paul is claiming people are biased when he himself is biased (because of how he derives his income). It's like the biggest case of pot calling the kettle black I've ever seen.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
"The bad publicity will outway the WOW factor of the 'secret, one more thing' news." Perhaps it will, but probably only among techno geeks. 30 days from now when the problems are gone, joe consumer, and more like joe apple consumer will not know or care. I mean people still by Xbox 360's even after MS drug their feet and took over a YEAR to admit they had a problem, 30% failure rate, and a BILLION dollar write off.
tayme
on Jul 24, 2008
@cesjr - Everybody is biased...after all, my daughter was the prettiest girl at her graduation. That would be a better example if I was a professional photographer hired to take pics at the graduation and thought that my daughter was the prettiest...would that mean that I couldn't comment on the other girls and guys and how they looked? --tayme
shark47
on Jul 24, 2008
"30% failure rate" That's probably a huge understatement. It's probably around 80%. This issue might have been fixed, but the perception that the XBox is a failure prone hardware remains. The initial success of the 360 over PS3 was due to the number of games available for the 360. Now, with that advantage gone, you can see 360 sales going down and Sony, with its superior hardware starting to dominate that market.
Snakedoctor1
on Jul 24, 2008
@shark47 Oh no doubt. The PS3 is going to hand it to the 360 over the next year. Xbox Live is better, but now with updates from Sony, its not $50 a year better. Big third party games now release for both at the same time and they both with have their exclusives. Example of people moving on past outages....Xbox Live and the whole Live ID system was crused in 12/07 from so many new users getting online with Xbox Live at Christmas. The service was horrible for 3-4 weeks as they added servers. Because it was tied into your Live account it affected hotmail as well, taking down your access for a time as well.

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