Facebook Retaliates Against Yahoo!, Launches Patent-Infringement Countersuit

Facebook this week launched a countersuit against Yahoo!, alleging that the ailing online giant is infringing on 10 of its patents. The countersuit is in retaliation to a Yahoo! patent-infringement lawsuit against Facebook that was launched about two weeks ago.

"From the outset, we said we would defend ourselves vigorously against Yahoo!'s lawsuit," Facebook General Counsel Ted Ullyot said in a prepared statement. "While we are asserting patent claims of our own, we do so in response to Yahoo!'s short-sighted decision to attack one of its partners and prioritize litigation over innovation."

Facebook claims that Yahoo! infringes on its patents related to display advertising, content personalization, and photo sharing, and that up to 80 percent of Yahoo!'s revenues come as a result of this usage. It cites the Yahoo! property Flickr, which utilizes photostream and recent-activity functionality, as an example of infringement.

Yahoo! had previously tried to convince Facebook privately to license between 10 and 20 patented technologies it claimed Facebook was using but not paying for. When those efforts failed, it went public with the claims and then sued Facebook on March 12.

Yahoo! says the Facebook countersuit is spurious.

"We have only just received Facebook’s answer and counterclaims, but on their face we believe they are without merit and nothing more than a cynical attempt to distract from the weakness of its defense," a Yahoo! representative said.

The New York Times notes that Facebook's countersuit involves patents that were largely created outside the company. According to the publication, 8 of the 10 patents involved in the countersuit were originally invented by companies that were later purchased by Facebook, and several predate the creation of Facebook itself.

Of course, patent-infringement lawsuits have become increasingly common and disruptive in the hotly contested mobile market. But the Yahoo!/Facebook battles indicate that these legal actions won't just be confined to one tech market.

Discuss this Article 43

jersey72
on Apr 4, 2012
"decision to attack one of its partners and prioritize litigation over innovation." That seems to be every tech company's decision.
infiniteloop
on Apr 4, 2012
@Meh: Isn't litigation usually used to PROTECT innovation? Nobody litigates for no reason.
jersey72
on Apr 4, 2012
"Isn't litigation usually used to PROTECT innovation? Nobody litigates for no reason." In theory, yes - it's supposed to be used to protect innovation. However, that's not how it's been used for the last several years. Instead, with a broken patent system, companies have been using litigation to club other companies financially or to extort payments.
infiniteloop
on Apr 4, 2012
@Meh: Really? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us with an example?
jersey72
on Apr 5, 2012
Sure. How about the two suits listed in this article. Or Apple vs Samsung. Or Samsung vs. Apple. Or Microsoft vs, well, anyone.
hawg16
on Apr 5, 2012
Don't let facts get in the way of infiniteloop's obsessive-compulsive M$ bashing, Meh. And gawd forbid you even hint at Apple being tarnished at all. Geez. ;-)
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
Seems to me like they're all trying to protect their innovation. Perhaps you could specifically point out where they're not?
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
@fanboyssuck: I think every company should protect its innovation, not just Apple. If you're not going to do it through the legal system, how else are you going to?
jersey72
on Apr 5, 2012
Oh - so I should ignore the 600,000 infected Macs?
hawg16
on Apr 5, 2012
Hey, look at that--I agree with infiniteloop! One should definitely protect your innovations. Just curious: when did they "innovate" the rectangle? You know, in relation to that lawsuit they have against Samsung.
jersey72
on Apr 5, 2012
@infiniteloop: So you're telling me you support Microsoft suing the pants off every company they can? Now let's go back to my original post. "In theory, yes - it's supposed to be used to protect innovation. However, that's not how it's been used for the last several years. Instead, with a broken patent system, companies have been using litigation to club other companies financially or to extort payments." The point I'm making is the system itself is busted. Patents are being granted for inane and innate features. For example: Slide to unlock Opening up an app while the phone is working A news feed Targeted ads That's not what the patent system is there for. It's to protect actual, real innovation. And that's what's leading to all these suits - a busted system.
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
@Meh: So you think it's alright to just blatantly rip off everything? If the 'Slide to Unlock' patent is so trivial, why bother to copy it? If there's a better way to unlock a phone, use that instead. That's called innovation. The Patent laws drive innovation by forcing competitors to do things differently. If by being different you come up with a better method, fine, you've innovated. If not, try harder. Re: The patented rectangle. Apple have an issue here because Samsung slavishly copied everything about the iPhone. The proportions, the colour, the steel band around the device, the home button at the bottom centre of the device. They followed that with a copy of the iPad. Even Samsung's lawyer couldn't tell the difference between their effort and the iPad across a courtroom. At least Microsoft are trying to he different with Windows Phone. It does not directly copy iOS. Unfortunately, it is inferior and so loses. Android is such a good knock off of iOS, that it is succeeding, and Google can afford to give it away because it costs relatively little to copy. I have faith in the Patent system because it works very well for me. I hold several patents which protect my IP very well. I work hard and innovate. my innovation is rewarded. Do you really think others should just be able to steal what I have worked hard for?
hawg16
on Apr 5, 2012
Perhaps infiniteloop's Macbook has fallen victim to the botnet trojan that is all over the news?
hawg16
on Apr 5, 2012
Hmmm...my Lenovo laptop has a slide to unlock the lid...Apple best sue them. Apple clearly copied the notification screen from Android. Google best sue them. Apple clearly stole their ideas for computers from Xerox...wonder if they'll sue Apple. It's all a joke. Meh is right. This is nothing but the big boys trying to monetarily club the others into submission using "That's mine!" as an argument. They're a bunch of petty 2 year olds fighting over toys in the sandbox. Lastly, I HIGHLY DOUBT any comment you make on anything other than Apple is ever, EVER from any experience with the companies whatsoever. AS IF you have EVER done ANYTHING with a Windows Phone, Apple shill. As always, I will use sound research, hands-on testing, and the requirements of my client before I take the word of a self-professed brand loyalist such as yourself. However, thanks for a giant laugh just before Easter!
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
Ooh Fanboyssuck: Looks like I touched a nerve. Re: the slide to unlock on your plastic laptop. Apple don't need to sue because Apples version is in software not hardware. Oh and Apple laptops are held shut by powerful magnets not springs. That's called innovation. My MacBook Pro is clean as usual, thanks for asking.
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
@Fanboyssuck: Ooh look: http://www.exploit-db.com/
scottm99999
on Apr 5, 2012
@infiniteloop, I don't think I've seen exploit-db.com mentioned here before; it's a great resource. By chance, would you be a fellow security pro?
MSTAYLOR
on Apr 5, 2012
@R - No, he's just good at using Google to search and copy links. He is a world renowned scratch resistance applicator.
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
@tayme: See how easy your job is? And how much you feel threatened by change?
jersey72
on Apr 5, 2012
"So you think it's alright to just blatantly rip off everything?" Nope. Didn't say that. Didn't imply that. I said the system itself is broken. "If the 'Slide to Unlock' patent is so trivial, why bother to copy it? If there's a better way to unlock a phone, use that instead. That's called innovation." That's not innovation. Creating a screen that can properly detect fingers, that's innovation. Creating glass that doesn't break except through extreme force, that's innovation. A gesture is not innovation. You also didn't answer my question about Microsoft's suits? Oh - and the suits against Apple - those cool with you as well?
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
By the way tayme, A toilet break perchance?
infiniteloop
on Apr 5, 2012
@Meh: Think about the screen unlocking problem before you spout your drivel. An unlocking gesture has to be simple, but not so simple that it can be triggered accidentally, for instance whilst in your pocket. A simple tap won't do it - too frequently accidentally triggered. It has to be a simple gesture that has an obvious intent but is not likely to be triggered accidentally. The execution of the gesture at a fixed point on the screen focuses this intent and lessens the chance of an accidental trigger. The 'slide to unlock' gesture allows this. Apple obviously thought long and hard about this and decided to Patent the operation. Upon the release of the original iPhone, the gesture became synonymous with the unlocking of a new era smartphone. Apple had instigated a gesture that became second nature to users of smartphones. That is immensely important and why Apple protects it. If a user has to use another method to unlock a phone, it makes that UI less familiar and slightly more tricky to use. You originate the idea, you get to be awarded the Patent. Deal with it. Oh and I already posted this earlier: "I think every company should protect its innovation, not just Apple." Don't you bother to read before you pile in?
jersey72
on Apr 5, 2012
@infiniteloop: "Think about the screen unlocking problem before you spout your drivel." Here's what I find enjoyable. We've already had this exact same conversation. You told me that I should come up with other solutions if it was so trivial. So I spent 30 seconds and came up with about 5. Or, to put it in your terms: "Don't you bother to read before you pile in?" You've "obviously" never done software/UI development. Something like that is decided in a conference room relatively quickly. If that meeting lasted longer than about 30 minutes I'm firing up Civ5 and moving on with my day.
infiniteloop
on Apr 6, 2012
@Meh: ""Think about the screen unlocking problem before you spout your drivel." Here's what I find enjoyable. We've already had this exact same conversation. You told me that I should come up with other solutions if it was so trivial. So I spent 30 seconds and came up with about 5." I must have missed it. Please show me where you have posted 'about 5' solutions for the 'Unlocking Solution'. Or are you getting confused? If this is how you approach software development, you should worry.
MSTAYLOR
on Apr 6, 2012
@Meh - This is fun to watch. Kliloopi is copying and pasting the mothership's responses to the questions that you pose regarding Apple's patents and ignoring all others. Ask him about Apple's blatent copy which they call Notification Center. You will never get him to admit that it is exactly that, a rip-off. Kliloopi likes to talk about Paul and his one sided site here, but he is no different...he is just not able to make money being that way. So predictable. Soon he'll mention his next big "trip" and end a post with "Heh". If you keep him baited long enough, he'll even be up at 2am to respond instantly to you.
jersey72
on Apr 6, 2012
@infiniteloop: Sorry, but it's not my job to do your research. If you're that interested in the conversation you can go look it up. I'm not interested in having it again. @tayme: Indeed. He does become boring after a while, him being an infinite loop and all. In any event enjoy your weekend and (I'm assuming) your run tomorrow. 15 for me in the morning.
MSTAYLOR
on Apr 6, 2012
@Meh - I'll be doing 5 tomorrow and 16 on Sunday morning. Enjoy!
infiniteloop
on Apr 6, 2012
@Meh: I cannot find or copy and paste your post re: 'about 5' alternatives to the 'slide to unlock' gesture, because, guess what? It isn't there! You've just proven to everyone what you are. @--tayme: You've got the runs? That partly explains your Toilet Tapping activities I guess.
infiniteloop
on Apr 6, 2012
--tayme: Please explain to me how Notification Center can be a rip off of an Android feature, when Android is a blatant copy of iOS? Even Microsoft, this time round, tried to at least do something different. Not as effective. But different. If Notification Center contravenes a Patent, then Apple should pay for the privilege, like anyone else. So far, I haven't seen the 'Patent Police' going after Apple over this. Nobody seems to have an issue except you. I have said this before in previous posts with you. I thought I'd made it clear. In fact I'll say it again, in capitals. IF APPLE CONTRAVENE A PATENT, THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE LIKE ANYONE ELSE. Are we clear now? Why do you keep bringing it up? Is it really all you have?
infiniteloop
on Apr 6, 2012
--tayme: Just to keep you up to date, I was in Miami last week on business. Fabulous hotel and great nightclubs. As the weather was beautiful, I took some time to enjoy cocktails on the beach with some old friends. Food was excellent in the restaurants too. As you're interested, I'm off to Los Angeles in a couple of weeks and will probably spend some time in Los Gatos too. Then I'll be off to Chicago and New York before heading back to the UK. Are you going anywhere interesting on business? Or are you going to have to be content with just changing the picture on your wall calendar? Again.
jersey72
on Apr 6, 2012
@infiniteloop: "I cannot find or copy and paste your post re: 'about 5' alternatives to the 'slide to unlock' gesture, because, guess what? It isn't there!" Ahhhhhhh..... So since you can't find it then it doesn't exist. Gotcha. @tayme: The moment you mentioned infiniteloop would be mentioning something about a trip or posting at 2a I (and probably everyone) knew there'd be a toilet joke in the near future. Very well baited there. But really - it's too easy. He's just too predictable.
MSTAYLOR
on Apr 6, 2012
Very easy! :-)
hawg16
on Apr 6, 2012
"Ooh Fanboyssuck: Looks like I touched a nerve. " If by 'nerve' you mean you made me laugh uproariously, yep. You did. @R infiniteloop has no technical background whatsoever.
infiniteloop
on Apr 7, 2012
@Meh: It doesn't exist because it doesn't exist. And that makes you either confused, a liar, or both. Oh. And bang goes your credibility. @Fanboyssuck: If by 'No technical background' you mean I didn't pay for Microsoft certs or courses, then you are correct. I can still run rings around you though. @--tayme: You're very muted this week. Simply posting to toady up to others, or going over old ground. C'mon. You're better than this. Where's the new material?
infiniteloop
on Apr 7, 2012
@Meh: Did I forget to mention my business trip to Miami last week? Since you're interested, I'll give you a little insight into my next trip which will take in LA, Laguna Beach and Los Gatos, then on to Chicago, New York and Philadelphia before returning to the UK. Are you going anywhere interesting on business? Or will you have to content yourself with simply changing the picture on your wall calendar in your cubicle? Again?
jersey72
on Apr 7, 2012
@infiniteloop: Ahhhhh.... So you're the arbiter of all things existing on this site and of credibility. Gotcha. And why do you think I care about your opinions of my credibility? While we're at it, I wasn't the one that brought up your travel, it was tayme. But now I'm curious as to why you post your travel schedule here in the pompous way that you do. What are you trying to prove? An extensive travel schedule simply means that you spend a lot of time on the road. Congrats. Oh, and since you're curious, I work for myself. My "cubicle" is wherever I feel like setting up shop.
jersey72
on Apr 7, 2012
@infiniteloop: Actually, I should give you credit. I do believe you are the arbiter for all things existing on the internet that say something bad about Microsoft.
infiniteloop
on Apr 8, 2012
@Meh: My travel schedule became a focus after a discourse between myself and --tayme over issues of 'World View'. My point was that as I travel quite a bit, I get to experience at first hand, what technology people are using in business. --tayme's small works view maintained that the iPad was not being used very much in business. I was able to put him right by telling him that the device is being used extensively in business meetings throughout Europe, Russia, the Middle East, and North America. It is also being used as a digital Menu in restaurants, and in various other situations in retail. These are facts. I'm sorry if my experiences conflict or somehow challenge your technology world view. But that's reality. I have given you the opportunity to clear your name over the 'Slide to Unlock' "about 5" post. You obviously are unable to. Given that, it takes a 'Man' to stand up and admit when he's wrong. Seems you're unable to do that. By the way, if you want to experience 'Pompous' ask --tayme. He's the king of Pompous.
jersey72
on Apr 8, 2012
@infiniteloop: So if it was part of a conversation about iPad usage, why the continued need (outside of this thread) to bring it up constantly? Sounds pretty pompous to me. I also have to tell you that your opinion of me and the need to clear my name has been keeping me up nights...... As I've said, it's not my job to do your research. It's there. The fact that you can't find it doesn't concern me one bit. But, once you're ready to "be a man" and admit that you're wrong I'll be the first to give you credit.
infiniteloop
on Apr 8, 2012
Meh: Thing is. It's not there. For all to see. I'm sorry if you think it's pompous to post reality. Just proves how small and sad your life must be.
infiniteloop
on Apr 8, 2012
@Meh: I didn't bring it up anyway. You did.
jersey72
on Apr 8, 2012
I still wasn't the one that brought it up in this thread - it was tayme. And my life would be sad if I continued in this infinite loop. We've had the conversation. The fact that you can't remember it or find it isn't my problem nor concern. Time to go enjoy brunch with the family!
infiniteloop
on Apr 8, 2012
@Meh: It's impossible to find because it isn't there. Now simply list the "about 5 " alternatives to the 'Slide to unlock' gesture that you claim to have posted and prove me wrong. Otherwise you have proved yourself a Liar. For all on here to see.

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