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What the Tech 143: No Perfect Cloud

The one where Paul reveals his "Zero data" plan and Andrew wears a lumberjack shirt
Nov. 28, 2012 Paul Thurrott

This week on What The Tech: Paul discusses the differences between Apple and Microsoft. This leads to a discussion on data in the cloud and why no one cloud solution is perfect for anyone or everything. Andrew wonders whether Apple has changed since the departure of Steve Jobs. And then a fascinating discussion about fax machines breaks out. It was that kind of week.

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Audible pick of the week: Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

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aras
on Nov 28, 2012

Interesting discussion, but way too many "stupid", "silly" and "dumb" in this episode. Bit more tolerance wouldn't harm, Paul :)

pthurrott
on Nov 28, 2012

I'm intolerant of tolerance. :)

But seriously. I'd have to go back and listen to it. When you're trying to get people to think past their insular and old fashioned ways of doing things, you often run into illogical roadblocks.

The55
on Nov 28, 2012

I have all my data NOW on SkyDrive!!

Paul, you can view your pictures on SkyDrive using your XBOX 360!!

Use your SmartGlass app on phone, pin SkyDrive (Explorer) on XBOX 360.
You can view or play slide shows from the web page!!
Now this is Microsoft after all so I can NOT view Adobe PDF (need plug-in).
And Video need Silverlight to play, is this not screwed can't play WMV File!!
Now on my Windows phone 7.5, I can play & view everything on SkyDrive.

I can update Excel files using the Web app/SmartGlass on XBOX 360.
Made a copy of my Favorites (100's) in a OneNote file, can click on the link & it will load the page.

garymoncrieff
on Nov 28, 2012

Amazon Glacier could be the answer for your 0 data new years resolution Paul. http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/

pthurrott
on Nov 28, 2012

Nice, thanks for this.

pthurrott
on Nov 28, 2012

Maybe someone could help with the math on this one.

1 TB of data at $0.01 (1 cent) per month is ... $10 per month, right?

That's incredibly reasonable.

garymoncrieff
on Nov 28, 2012

yes I think that's right but I have had a lot of vodka already so could be wrong lol

aras
on Nov 28, 2012

Personally I think there is place for both local and cloud storage. Cloud is super convenient, but I will not trust a single copy of my important data to any cloud service. Music, movies, or smartphone photos taken at a party OK. But business data, family photos and videos, etc. are different story.

I often still upload such data to cloud, but will always keep a local backup. Just like things can go wrong with local storage, things can go wrong with cloud storage. Not in the same way, but they can and do go wrong. Your account can get hacked, sync service can go wrong and wipe your data, or cloud service provider can simply decide that they don’t like you anymore and shut down your account…
Little while ago read a story how Amazon without explanation shut down somebody’s account, wiped the kindle and wished good look finding another provider… You don’t really have any rights to your data once it’s in cloud…

quietman75
on Nov 28, 2012

Reminds me of the announcemnt a while ago with Skydrive stating you couldn't upload nude images to it. You risked the entire Microsoft acount ( not just sky drive ) being disabled.

Cloud has it's place but won't replace local totally. What happens when you are flying ?

Cloud to me is just another backup location , convienent , but still only a backup location.

kuang
on Nov 29, 2012

Cloud will never replace local storage. Over here in Europe there are bandwidth caps for internet and it's even worse on the smartphone side.

I can't stream music everyday on my phone or i would hit my cap in one week.

There are times when there is no internet connection or something like hurricane Sandy hits and suddenly you realize you can't acces any of your stuff.

I see cloud as another way to have a backup and its convenient to have acces from mutiple devices.
But cloud is no way a replacement for local storage.

John Thurlow
on Dec 1, 2012

I guess this is old wine in new battles (yes battles), in that those who prefer owning their own media because they find it to be better quality than cloud based storage would have found themselves on the other side of an earlier battle where the issue would have been a live performance cannot compare to those 'new fangled' recording technologies.

Again the counterpoint would have been as it is now, that while a live performance is better it is hard to beat the convenience of being able to enjoy the music in your home and on demand.

One point to note is that there is room for everybody, live performances are still available today and the same may be true of recorded media (or perhaps the right to own your own high quality downloads), though like live performances you may have to pay a premium for the experience you crave over the more mainstream cloud services.

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