When Clouds Die: Microsoft Will Retire Live Mesh in Early 2013

Live Mesh was great, but the SkyDrive desktop application is even better

Microsoft announced today that it will be retiring its Live Mesh PC-to-cloud and PC-to-PC sync service on February 13, 2013. This move was long expected, as Microsoft has since replaced this utility with the superior SkyDrive desktop application.

Though SkyDrive isn’t a full superset of Live Mesh, it does offer many more features than did Live Mesh and is far more available via apps for every mobile platform imaginable. It’s also backed by a sophisticated API that lets developers build solutions on top of SkyDrive. And of course SkyDrive now has available additional paid storage tiers. It’s kind of the full meal deal.

That said, I know some people are still active users of Live Mesh and will miss certain key features.

Fortunately, I’ve written a lot about this topic, and these articles should help you make the transition:

SkyDrive Tip: Migrate from Live Mesh – Provides a list of Live Mesh features followed by the equivalent features, where applicable, in SkyDrive.

2012: A Cloud Odyssey - From Live Mesh to SkyDrive – Describes my own transition from Live Mesh to SkyDrive.

Windows 8 Tip: Use SkyDrive to Sync Your Documents and Pictures – Explains how you can integrate SkyDrive folders into your Windows 8 (or Windows 7) libraries.

However, I should address one feature that people will miss from Mesh--remote desktop—because the solution I recommended previously is no longer (freely) available. LogMeIn Hamachi, the free VPN I recommended in SkyDrive Tip: Migrate from Live Mesh, is no longer free for individuals. (You can use Hamachi in combination with the Remote Desktop Connection software that’s built into Windows to achieve a remote desktop solution that works better than Mesh’s remote desktop feature.)

LogMeIn announced the change in a blog post last month. However, it’s still really inexpensive: For just $29 per year you get a license that lets you connect up to 32 computers. Hamachi is still an amazing deal, and I still recommend it strongly.

If you don’t want to pay, you can of course use any free VPN solution out there. But I’ll be sticking with Hamachi.

I realize that this move will still disappoint people for whatever reason. If there’s a Live Mesh feature you simply have to have, leave a note in the comments and hopefully we can figure it out.

Discuss this Article 20

kjblank
on Dec 13, 2012

Outside of remote desktop, all the features of Live Mesh are present in SkyDrive now (since the SkyDrive applicatoin became available).

To me, it's still the best personal cloud storage solution available.

Clostech
on Dec 13, 2012

Problem is you have to have a Windows Pro license for Remote Desktop.

GoodThings2Life
on Dec 13, 2012

The PC-to-PC file sync (bypassing the cloud) was always a great feature, and I hope Microsoft will eventually bring that to SkyDrive, but for now, that really just leaves Remote Desktop.

Frankly, with Windows 8 Pro upgrades being so ridiculously inexpensive, people would be crazy not to just upgrade and have it built-in for that one-time cost.

It does, of course, require some technical know-how to configure their router to enable it from the world, but then I would assume people who REQUIRE this functionality would be savvy enough for that. (Or they know someone who is tech-savvy.)

Terance
on Dec 13, 2012

If all you need is basic remote desktop then you can just use LogMeIn's remote desktop client at the main LogMeIn website. I've been using it for a few years and it works fine.

Curro
on Dec 13, 2012

PC to PC synchronization by-passing the cloud is the most important feature to me. Many of my work documents cannot be stored in the cloud (for many reasons), but Mesh has always helped me sycing those documents and insuring I didn't loose any work moving from PC to PC or refreshing to a new PC.

I heard this feature will never be available in Skydrive, which is quite disappointing.

pdileepa
on Dec 13, 2012

In the last couple of weeks, I've attempted to use two new solutions for the PC-to-PC sync functionality.

AeroFS https://www.aerofs.com/:
* Presently invitation-only.
* Looks a bit rough.
* Needs all your folders to be under their AeroFS folder in order to be able to share them.

Cubby (from LogMeIn) : https://www.cubby.com/
* Free and open to all.
* Looks polished.
* Has *almost* exactly everything you want, except that the PC-to-PC functionality only works with a single user. That was a deal breaker for me. I've submitted a feature request to enable PC-to-PC sync across users.

At this rate, I cannot trust my data with any of Microsoft's cloud solutions (Email, calendar or otherwise). They keep discontinuing useful services while propping up crappy ones. Where will Skydrive be in two years? It took a long time for Skydrive to mature to this state while competitors (Dropbox, Box, etc.) were making big inroads.

aras
on Dec 13, 2012

Direct PC to PC sync is probably the main missing feature. Personally I don't need it anymore, but for those who do I believe Cubby by Logmein can do something similar.

MonacoMan103
on Dec 13, 2012

One HUGE feature missing from SkyDrive is the option to sync different selected folders in different places on my computer.

For instance, I want "My Documents", "My Pictures", and "My Music" to automatically sync, but I don't want to necessarily put all of those folders in the SkyDrive folder.

SkyDrive recently added a "selective sync" feature, but that is different than the feature I was describing above. In SkyDrive's feature, you can pick which folders WITHIN the SkyDrive folder you want synced with what devices. I want to be able to "break out" of the SkyDrive folder to sync files, which was an option that Live Mesh offered.

Without this feature, SkyDrive will never be fully complete.

lecter
on Dec 14, 2012

Why don't you just select your User folder as the SkyDrive folder and select only My Docs, My Pictures & My Music from within it?

Sterling
on Dec 13, 2012

I'll miss PC-to-PC sync but SkyDrive is much better than Live Mesh. I just hope Microsoft does add this feature to SkyDrive.

Favorites sync I do with Chrome.

mlekas
on Dec 13, 2012

Ugh. The only thing I used Mesh for was syncing three folders: My Documents, Software (a bunch of install apps) and Downloads (the folder to which your browser automatically downloads). For Software I can just move into a "skydrive" subfolder, but there is no apparent solution to syncing "My Documents" or "Downloads" (unless I change the folder for these in the settings on my browsers and computers). Moreover I have a Windows Home Server that has these files on them, so I'll just have to set up a manual syncing solution with the server.

I see no value to the Skydrive app in my environment.

liamcorner
on Dec 13, 2012

To sync multiple folders with SkyDrive you can use the mklink command line utility to add junctions from the SkyDrive folder to the additional folders you want to sync, eg pictures. It's a bit clunky having to drop to the command line to do this, but it's simple enough one time task. There are various free GUIs available for the mklink utility : http://serverfault.com/questions/3440/some-gui-for-mklink

IanYates82
on Dec 13, 2012

Try GBridge. I use it for some limited PC to PC sync - it's VERY flexible in this regard. It's also free, punches through firewalls, creates a free VPN, allows you to share certain folders with other trusted people and integrates a copy of UltraVNC. However, because it's making a VPN, you can also use remote desktop or just browse file shares. The best of all worlds :) (having said that I'm also a big SkyDrive user for OneNote integration and putting files to share on the web)

pmbAustin
on Dec 13, 2012

I still miss PC-to-PC syncing for keeping very large libraries in sync.

And I miss Remote Desktop that worked via a browser over the internet.

The new SkyDrive can't match either of those features, and those were the two features I actually used in Mesh.

hsteinhilber
on Dec 14, 2012

Peer to Peer sync is important for me. I'm on satallite internet with a data cap. It is far better for me if all my local systems sync to one another instead of using my data cap up copying stuff up and back down again from the cloud.

Waethorn
on Dec 14, 2012

This is the big problem with cloud computing. Speeds may be going up, while data caps are coming down. If we end up doing everything online, your monthly overage fees are going to be astronomical. As it stands, cell data just isn't good enough for really utilizing Netflix, internet gaming (forget about using OnLive), or even watching TV. Satellite is overly expensive, and unless you have a hard line connection, your wireless lag makes online gameplay unusable. Even with a wire line, you're not guaranteed to have a reliable connection either, since many areas offering "high speed" only carry DSL, and even those are not always that great. These are real issues that affect cloud computing. Not every business can afford a $30/sqft lease in a skyrise executive condo with fiber optic Internet, so businesses out in the trenches do need to have other options than just assuming that everything can be done online. If your corporate data size in the gigabytes too, cloud computing gets very expensive, very fast.

ToaOfJustice
on Dec 14, 2012

I used to use a neat little free program called SyncToy (there are articles about it on the SuperSite for Windows, and it seems the program is still available from Microsoft) to back up select folders of mine onto another PC (an always-on Media Center PC that used to function as a DVR/home server). Now I use it to back up folders to a NAS drive, and it still works on Windows 8.

TheWerewolf
on Dec 15, 2012

First off people are missing something basic: LiveMesh works. So when Microsoft kills it in favour of SkyDrive, any defense like 'use LogMeIn' or 'use Cubby' is inherently invalid.

Unless there's some technical reason why Microsoft has to discontinue LiveMesh, it's a business decision and one that affects their customers.

Second, SkyDrive only offers a tiny subset of the functionality of LiveMesh. It is NOT a replacement. Again, unless there's some fundamental technical reason why Microsoft couldn't move the missing features from LiveMesh to SkyDrive, this is a business decision.

In the case of remote access - it's simple. Microsoft sells a remote access solution and LiveMesh makes a better solution available for free.

In the case of peer to peer sharing - it's also simple: Microsoft wants you using their cloud solution and storing your files on their cloud. Peer to peer doesn't get them this. It also provides a way to share files without any kind of monitoring (ie: there's a potential liability to Microsoft).

Neither of these are good reasons for customers to accept this.

If the only thing SkyDrive offers is essentally the exact same thing as Google's Drive solution does - then I'll go with Google simply because Microsoft is taking away something I've relied on for years and not only did not provide a good replacement - but has tried to blow smoke up my.. mm.. you know... about it. At the very least, they could be honest and admit what their intentions are.

geekpryde
on Dec 16, 2012

Seems to be that everything I LOVED about mesh is NOT available in SkyDrive. For me, Live Mesh was worthy of paying for, I used every one of it's features. SkyDrive doesn't appear to have a single feature I want. I wish MS would stop killing good products off when there is NOT an exact replacement for it's features. Why could they have not made mesh a pay service instead of dumping it? This is a very sad day. I would post a much more detailed analysis of why SkyDrive is junk and Mesh was great, but it's a waste of my time. Live Mesh has been sent to the slaughter house, and I know any whining on my part will fall on deaf ears.

TimN_FL
on Dec 17, 2012

The feature that I will miss the most is the ability to selectively share files between users. SkyDrive's share feature are quite the same. SkyDrive does let you share files with other users but once they download the file it is now disconnected and the changes are not reflected in the file unless they modify an office document directly in SkyDrive via one of the web apps. If they offered SkyDrive to SkyDrive syncing I could be happy with the transition.

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